2018 Detroit NAIAS Auto Show Tracker

[rage2]

Looking forward to lots of new cars and trucks this year.

Today’s unveil:

Chevy Silverado: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-detroit-silverado/gms-new-chevy-silverado-bids-for-more-u-s-pickup-profits-idUSKBN1F20M3

Tomorrow should be a good day with the Ford Ranger, VW Jetta, Mercedes CLS53 and the E53 Coupe and Convertible.

[Darkane]

Looking forward to lots of new cars and trucks this year.

Today’s unveil:

Chevy Silverado: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-detroit-silverado/gms-new-chevy-silverado-bids-for-more-u-s-pickup-profits-idUSKBN1F20M3

Tomorrow should be a good day with the Ford Ranger, VW Jetta, Mercedes CLS53 and the E53 Coupe and Convertible.

Also bullitt Mustang and potentially Gt500 or teaser

[corsvette]

New Silverado is hot. Love it. Coming with an inline 6 diesel in the 1/2 tons too.
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Was hoping to see the mid-engined Corvette....maybe New york or LA shows.

[rage2]

Still think too soon for mid engine Corvette. Probably next show season.

I also forgot the new G class for tomorrow.

[HiSpec]

Looking forward to see the new Jetta and turbo AWD Mazda 6.

[colsankey]

Turbo awd 6 is super exciting.

[Darkane]

Ranger dropped. 2.3 ecoboost.

[speedog]

Vanilla flavoured of course...

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[Darkane]

Vanilla flavoured of course...

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Yes. Next month the Raptor version is out. That will be something to watch for

[ExtraSlow]

Size and towing specs for ranger? Is this bigger than the overseas ranger?

[SKR]

Size and towing specs for ranger? Is this bigger than the overseas ranger?

I can't prove it because I wasn't fast enough to get my camera out to take a picture, but last summer two of these passed me on the highway (#1, eastbound around the SK border). They seemed about Colorado/Canyon sized.

[corsvette]

The Ranger offers only one engine/transmission combo, the 2.3EB with a 10 speed. Kinda sucks there's no V6 or Diesel. Looks good outside though.

[Darkane]

The Ranger offers only one engine/transmission combo, the 2.3EB with a 10 speed. Kinda sucks there's no V6 or Diesel. Looks good outside though.

The raptor may be diesel or 2.7 tt

But if they did a 400hp 5L in the raptor it would be pretty tempting.

[speedog]

Size and towing specs for ranger? Is this bigger than the overseas ranger?

New to North America but based on non-NA vehicle.

[corsvette]

The raptor may be diesel or 2.7 tt

But if they did a 400hp 5L in the raptor it would be pretty tempting.

Yeah the 2.7 would rock in that little truck for sure. Offering it only in the (expensive) Raptor limits the trucks appeal though.

[rage2]

CLS53 teaser.


https://youtu.be/f2JPu-2Btys

[killramos]

I kind of like that AMG might be going back to "normal" round exhaust tips. The integrated ones are nice for sure but there is something about 4 shining ovals on the back that is just awesome.

[Shlade]

Bullitt mustang finally dropped

[Xtrema]

Bullitt mustang finally dropped

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/y2aiqdls53rgvwcroxcb.jpg

That logo on steering ruined it for me.

[npham]

Is it me, or does that interior look cheap? Like the centre console and vents look brutal.

[Xtrema]

Is it me, or does that interior look cheap? Like the centre console and vents look brutal.

You must have never been in a Mustang. It is cheap. Lucky they leather wrap the center console this year or it would be even cheaper.

[Shlade]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/y2aiqdls53rgvwcroxcb.jpg

That logo on steering ruined it for me.

The logo is on the 08 cars as well on the steering wheel...

[Xtrema]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018_hyundai_veloster-n_leak_02.jpg

Something for Mar?

2019 Veloster.

[killramos]

Is it me, or does that interior look cheap? Like the centre console and vents look brutal.

It’s still a mustang... got to keep the price lower than the Germans somehow.

[corsvette]

Is it me, or does that interior look cheap? Like the centre console and vents look brutal.

They look like the exact same vents my old 2004 f150 had lol.

[Xtrema]

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/916x515/quality/95/https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/721/191/9/S7211919/slug/l/action-8-1.jpg

New Focus.... I meant Jetta.

6 year, 72k miles bumper to bumper warranty in US, transferable to next owner. VW having better warranty than Koreans?

[corsvette]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018_hyundai_veloster-n_leak_02.jpg

Something for Mar?

2019 Veloster.

Thought they were killing that awful looking car? They don't sell well US or Canada, and now the redesigned version looks nearly exactly like the lump it replaced. Whatever....

[rage2]

Veloster getting a N version. Could be interesting.

[SKR]

Veloster getting a N version. Could be interesting.

N version like this?

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[rage2]

I see what you did there.

[Disoblige]

You must have never been in a Mustang. It is cheap. Lucky they leather wrap the center console this year or it would be even cheaper.
:werd: Although knowing that, I actually thought it looked decent for a Mustang interior.

[Buster]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/y2aiqdls53rgvwcroxcb.jpg

That logo on steering ruined it for me.

Thats a lotta buttons on the wheel.

[Darkane]

Mustang interior isn’t that bad, materials are getting better.

This bullitt will be 60k Canadian though. But it’ll have the hp for that price point.

[rage2]

The 53's are unveiled this AM. CLS53, E53 (Coupe and Cab). 429hp, electric turbo assist, 21hp electric motor, promise of lag free motoring. Surprises are MCT transmission and 4Matic+ (although no word on drift mode). Of course the infotainment and intelligent drive packages gets the latest updates from the S. Weird that it's electronically limited to 130mph (208km/h). Not that I would drive that fast these days, but you'd think autobahn drivers wouldn't be too happy.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/detroit-auto-show/a14794662/2019-mercedes-amg-cls53-e53-specs-photos-info/

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[Xtrema]

Interesting on the limited top speed.

[rage2]

Interesting on the limited top speed.
Yea, pretty strange that it's limited so low. That's like winter tires low.

I'm disappointed that they didn't really do anything to the M256 in AMG guise. It's the exact same engine that's in the Euro spec S500, was hoping they'd boost electric boost or something. Just took the engine and slapped an AMG engine cover on it. Regardless, still a solid engine, Motor Trend has tested it over the summer. http://www.motortrend.ca/en/news/2018-mercedes-benz-s500-european-spec-first-drive-review/

I am excited for the E53 Coupe though. Pretty much the perfect Calgary coupe. Mid 400hp, AWD in the winter, RWD (assuming they throw in RWD mode) in a sexy 4 seat coupe, full power at our elevation and the promise of zero lag. Ticks all the boxes for me.

[killramos]

4.4s to 60 seems a bit... anemic?

Considering the tech that went into that motor that produces damn near as much power as the low end 4.0V8 in the 63’s. Maybe not as lag free as they seem?

[rage2]

4.4s to 60 seems a bit... anemic?

Considering the tech that went into that motor that produces damn near as much power as the low end 4.0V8 in the 63’s. Maybe not as lag free as they seem?
It's not a replacement for the 63. It's a replacement for the 550 so performance is in line with that. Outgoing E550 was rated at 4.8s and tested at 4.3s. Wouldn't be surprised if the replacement was closer to 4s in real world testing.

E Coupe/Cab isn't getting the 63 treatment (like last gen). CLS not getting 63 treatment because that's going to the AMG GT 4-door which is the higher end CLS/Panarama fighter.

[killramos]

I’m mostly just surprised it isn’t faster. Less weight, lots of power, smarter drivetrain, electric boost. I guess the E platform really needs that 600hp to get out of its own way.

Any idea on timing for getting one of these in Canada?

My MiL needs to replace her CLS but has been toying with the AMG side of things after I got mine, loves the sounds and aggressive look. But I should wouldn’t want the crazy performance and the downsides that come with that (for example she hates the E64 M6). So this seems kindof perfect.

[rage2]

I’m mostly just surprised it isn’t faster. Less weight, lots of power, smarter drivetrain, electric boost. I guess the E platform really needs that 600hp to get out of its own way.

Any idea on timing for getting one of these in Canada?

My MiL needs to replace her CLS but has been toying with the AMG side of things after I got mine, loves the sounds and aggressive look. But I should wouldn’t want the crazy performance and the downsides that come with that (for example she hates the E64 M6). So this seems kindof perfect.
Fall. Base pricing should be in line with the old 550's, with a boat load more options.

[Shlade]

Mustang interior isn’t that bad, materials are getting better.

This bullitt will be 60k Canadian though. But it’ll have the hp for that price point.

As much as I'd want one... Gt350's these days (slightly used) are in that price range. If I REALLY wanted another car I'd go for that probably. I'm looking forward to seeing if Ford actually does do this Ranger raptor how it'll look like.

I'm holding out for the bronco release though before anything!

[Darkane]

As much as I'd want one... Gt350's these days (slightly used) are in that price range. If I REALLY wanted another car I'd go for that probably. I'm looking forward to seeing if Ford actually does do this Ranger raptor how it'll look like.

I'm holding out for the bronco release though before anything!

Raptor is fully confirmed and dropping feb 7th. Official ford videos are out and about.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I read that the 2019 Ram has a rear diff cooler so they can run a lighter weight of gear oil (im assuming to try and boost efficiency by reducing driveline losses?).

[Shlade]

Raptor is fully confirmed and dropping feb 7th. Official ford videos are out and about.

Sweet wonder what details will be

[Disoblige]

Sweet wonder what details will be
Man, I like the idea of a mid-size and everything but why do they make all these new models look so big and bubbly. Both the new Ranger and the Colorado have the same issues.

[Xtrema]

YRegardless, still a solid engine, Motor Trend has tested it over the summer. http://www.motortrend.ca/en/news/2018-mercedes-benz-s500-european-spec-first-drive-review/

I am wondering what happens in winter with the hybrid portion. Or if will be like Start/Stop system where it totally disappears in winters.

Still don't get why they call it a 53 but not AMG. Then why don't they just call it a 500 then.

[rage2]

I am wondering what happens in winter with the hybrid portion. Or if will be like Start/Stop system where it totally disappears in winters.

Still don't get why they call it a 53 but not AMG. Then why don't they just call it a 500 then.
What do you mean? My start stop works fine in the winters.

The 53's are under the Mercedes-AMG brand. Not sure where you read they're not AMGs. Aside from the fact it's not really an AMG motor but that's a whole other can of worms. :rofl:

[Darkane]

Mar-mobile dropped. N spec looks pretty cool.

[rage2]

Mar-mobile dropped. N spec looks pretty cool.
Yup. Active suspension too haha. 275hp 6 speed manual, should be a decent car assuming it's priced half decent.

[Darkane]

Yup. Active suspension too haha. 275hp 6 speed manual, should be a decent car assuming it's priced half decent.

At 35k it’s cool. At 40k pay an extra 5 to get ‘the’ hot hatch type R.

[schocker]

I like that new ranger a lot.

I really like that new RDX and Acura has announced along with bringing back the Type-S line with an acura exclusive turbo 6

New engine will be exclusive to Acura and comes with SH-AWD.
Acura announced today that it will relaunch its Type-S performance lineup in the coming years. And it’s not simply a trim pack like the existing A-Spec models: Acura says that all the new Type-S models will have a unique engine.

There’s no word yet exactly which vehicles will be given the Type-S treatment, though Acura says that “multiple products” will launch over the coming years. The cars will get a new turbocharged V6 engine mated to the brand’s torque-vectoring Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD). That engine will be exclusive to Acura – in other words, it won’t be shared with any Honda products.

The decision to reintroduce the performance models, Acura says, makes sense as the brand follows its new mantra of “Precision Crafted Performance.”

“Acura will pursue a unique powertrain strategy that underscores the brand's rightful place as the performance division of Honda,” Toshiaki Mikoshiba, president & CEO of American Honda Motor Co, said in a statement.

The last Type-S was the 2008 Acura TL. Upgrades included a more powerful engine, stronger brakes, and unique chassis tuning. Perhaps most memorable was the Acura RSX Type-S, with 200 horsepower from a super-high-revving VTEC engine, plus an ultra-slick six-speed manual gearbox.

That the new Type-S models will move to turbocharged power is not totally surprising given the trend toward turbocharging across the auto industry. Within Honda, for instance, the Civic Si and Type R have both adopted turbocharging instead of high-revving naturally aspirated engines.

Acura also reiterated today that it will offer an A-Spec trim level of every model going forward. The 2019 RDX is the first SUV to get the A-Spec treatment; that badge was first used on the 2004 TL sedan and is currently available on the TLX and ILX, as well as the new RDX. But A-Spec tends to be less extreme in terms of mechanical upgrades than what we’re expecting from the forthcoming Type-S models.

[Darkane]

It’s funny because Acura has an exclusive turbo 6. It’s exclusive because it only exists as Acura here.

The new engine has me wondering it’ll be a 3L TT, 350-400hp. They’re late to the game again.

[Disoblige]

Veloster N looks like it has some ripped off design cues from the Focus RS. #salty :rofl:

[Xtrema]

They’re late to the game again.

Yeah. But at least they are actually trying now. Wait and see how this exclusive platform handles.

In the time when everyone hybridize their performance power plants (Merc and Volvo), they just caught up to 2006 BMW.

[bart]

i bet that mustang will have 17fps on the rev counter haha

[Darkane]

i bet that mustang will have 17fps on the rev counter haha

?

[Darkane]

Boom!

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2018/01/15/all-new-mustang-shelby-gt500.html

Was waiting for that.

[bart]

crappy gfx processor, the VAG group uses nvidia chips so its a smooth 60fps

go find the last dodge viper vid of the dash, when it revved to redline it dropped to 5fps during the transition of the background from black to red, that kinda shit is a deal breaker for me

i tried finding a vid on youtube there are a bunch of the new bullitt but not one shows the dash in action

[tonytiger55]

You must have never been in a Mustang. It is cheap. Lucky they leather wrap the center console this year or it would be even cheaper.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Shlade]

Boom!

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2018/01/15/all-new-mustang-shelby-gt500.html

Was waiting for that.

Yup... Ford is definitely killing it with these announcements these past couple days!!!!

[LUV2REV]

Boom!

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2018/01/15/all-new-mustang-shelby-gt500.html

Was waiting for that.

I figured Ford was going to go TT with the new GT500. I sold my 16' GT350 TP in December and will not consider another Mustang until Ford can prove they can manufacture something with inherent quality (so likely never). The GT350 was horrible in that regard, poorly put together with garbage quality control. Great to drive but I could not get over the numerous cosmetic flaws.

[Shlade]

I poorly put together with garbage quality control. Great to drive but I could not get over the numerous cosmetic flaws.

Like what?

[npham]

Boom!

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2018/01/15/all-new-mustang-shelby-gt500.html

Was waiting for that.


Yup... Ford is definitely killing it with these announcements these past couple days!!!! 100k Mustang? These are just for fanboys. That interior does not look like a 100k car whatsoever.

[LUV2REV]

Like what?

Like numerous specks of dirt in the paint, misaligned hood, black overspray on the inside of the driver's side c-pillar from the black painted roof, numerous waves in the metal on the passenger c-pillar, stitching coming undone on the alcantara portion of the drivers side door panel, press moulding lines on the bumper cap (front & rear) edges, sagging rear bumper, fender vents coming loose (held on with double sided tape).

The lack of quality and inconsistencies with these cars is well known, nearly every GT350 has the rear bumper sag and Ford has done nothing about it.

[Darkane]

100k Mustang? These are just for fanboys. That interior does not look like a 100k car whatsoever.

No. Look again. There are no interior shots.

[npham]

No. Look again. There are no interior shots.It's not going to get drastically better than Bullitt's interior; that's what I'm going off of. It's going to be 80-90% the same as the Bullit. Would you still pay 100K for this? I'm sure it's going to be stupid fast, but I'd rather have so many other cars in this price range - C63S Coupe, Carrera/Cayman S and to a lesser degree M4/RS5.

[Shlade]

Like numerous specks of dirt in the paint, misaligned hood, black overspray on the inside of the driver's side c-pillar from the black painted roof, numerous waves in the metal on the passenger c-pillar, stitching coming undone on the alcantara portion of the drivers side door panel, press moulding lines on the bumper cap (front & rear) edges, sagging rear bumper, fender vents coming loose (held on with double sided tape).

The lack of quality and inconsistencies with these cars is well known, nearly every GT350 has the rear bumper sag and Ford has done nothing about it.

Interesting. That sucks to hear... especially for a car pushing almost 80k.

[Xtrema]

It's not going to get drastically better than Bullitt's interior; that's what I'm going off of. It's going to be 80-90% the same as the Bullit. Would you still pay 100K for this? I'm sure it's going to be stupid fast, but I'd rather have so many other cars in this price range - C63S Coupe, Carrera/Cayman S and to a lesser degree M4/RS5.

Hellcat is $80K+, ZL1 is also almost $80K. Another $20K for GT500 isn't that out of line if production is limited.

While if that's your cup of tea is very personal.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Boom!

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2018/01/15/all-new-mustang-shelby-gt500.html

Was waiting for that.

What's with the ricey-ass rear wing? Hopefully the real thing looks nothing like that CG model.

[killramos]

The 53's are unveiled this AM. CLS53, E53 (Coupe and Cab). 429hp, electric turbo assist, 21hp electric motor, promise of lag free motoring. Surprises are MCT transmission and 4Matic+ (although no word on drift mode). Of course the infotainment and intelligent drive packages gets the latest updates from the S. Weird that it's electronically limited to 130mph (208km/h). Not that I would drive that fast these days, but you'd think autobahn drivers wouldn't be too happy.

So any comment on what The AMG Speedshift “TCT” gearbox is?

PL mentions double clutching function but how does this vary from the MCT?

[rage2]

I speedread that as MCT when I posted that. Haven’t been able to find anything on TCT. My guess is fancy name for an enhanced torque converter, meaning no wet clutch like MCT.

I can see why they’d try to go in that direction, the MCT isn’t the smoothest when starting slowly off the line.

[killramos]

Can’t say I disagree on the MCT. Great performance but it’s not a gearbox for everyone.

[killramos]

Ugh its the little things that I love sometimes.

Looks like Mercedes is quietly bringing Mercedes Me to Canada starting this fall. Looks like 2019 MY only though...

Looks like you will be able to remote start your new Hybrid AMG come winter Rage.

I cant believe it has taken them this long to roll out and I am definitely perterbed its only 2019 and up since the cars have all the hardware onboard...

[Xtrema]

Ugh its the little things that I love sometimes.

Looks like Mercedes is quietly bringing Mercedes Me to Canada starting this fall. Looks like 2019 MY only though...

Looks like you will be able to remote start your new Hybrid AMG come winter Rage.

I cant believe it has taken them this long to roll out and I am definitely perterbed its only 2019 and up since the cars have all the hardware onboard...

Hmm wonder whose network will it run on. I hope it's Telus/Bell.

[parabs]

crappy gfx processor, the VAG group uses nvidia chips so its a smooth 60fps

go find the last dodge viper vid of the dash, when it revved to redline it dropped to 5fps during the transition of the background from black to red, that kinda shit is a deal breaker for me

i tried finding a vid on youtube there are a bunch of the new bullitt but not one shows the dash in action

I have a 14 viper. When the tach changes to the “Stryker” logo I have had nothing but complements on the dash by my passengers. I also like it....but to each their own. It’s usually a frenetic moment when the tach is changing quite honestly so I haven’t closely analyzed the change lol

[bart]

https://youtu.be/fGr74GoBlbw?t=38s

[Disoblige]

Raptor is fully confirmed and dropping feb 7th. Official ford videos are out and about.
http://www.thedrive.com/news/18304/the-ford-ranger-raptor-is-real-but-is-it-coming-to-america
Little 2.0 L diesel turbo. And not even in North America :rofl:
I like the looks over the Colorado though.

[Darkane]

http://www.thedrive.com/news/18304/the-ford-ranger-raptor-is-real-but-is-it-coming-to-america
Little 2.0 L diesel turbo. And not even in North America :rofl:
I like the looks over the Colorado though.

NA availability was always up in the air. We do love the F150 raptor though. How can it not come here now that the ranger is global. Give it one model year I predict.

[Disoblige]

They probably think the people here would scoff at the engine even though the whole idea of a raptor isn't about straight line speed.
I actually would buy a Ranger Raptor!

[Xtrema]

They probably think the people here would scoff at the engine even though the whole idea of a raptor isn't about straight line speed.
I actually would buy a Ranger Raptor!

https://carbuzz.com/news/the-chevrolet-colorado-zr2-made-up-a-solid-chunk-of-2017-colorado-sales

Colorado ZR2 is already here and people loved it.

Ranger is coming back in 2020. I'm sure Raptor version won't be far behind. ZR2 also offers a V6 and Diesel option.

[Darkane]

They probably think the people here would scoff at the engine even though the whole idea of a raptor isn't about straight line speed.
I actually would buy a Ranger Raptor!

The 2L diesel in the ranger is actually super horny!

Twin turbo 210hp 369tq. All one has to do is extrapolate it to 6L diesel to see what’s up.

It makes a lot of hp for a diesel application. That truck wouldn’t be slow.

[parabs]

https://youtu.be/fGr74GoBlbw?t=38s

The top end of 4th and 5th gear doesn't look great, and 6th is worse lol, ill agree. I personally haven't "been" to either of those places with mine haha. Nonetheless, I do like "stryker" emerging at the top of the RPM band while driving.