Impark Loss Prevention Specialist

[ickyflex]

Yes i'm one of those people that have a few parking tickets outstanding.

Came outside to my car today with an audi blocking my car and it was two impark "Loss Prevention Specialists" who would not let me leave until my car was either towed or I went to go pay for parking or call police for abusing their lots.

Just wondering if there is any legality behind this?

[holden]

Yes i'm one of those people that have a few parking tickets outstanding.

Came outside to my car today with an audi blocking my car and it was two impark "Loss Prevention Specialists" who would not let me leave until my car was either towed or I went to go pay for parking or call police for abusing their lots.

Just wondering if there is any legality behind this?


How many is "few"?

Was this inside an Impark lot and were you currently illegally parked?

[Super_Geo]

Just change your plate when you go to renew your registration, it's free. Annual reset on Impark tickets ;)

[ickyflex]

How many is "few"?

Was this inside an Impark lot and were you currently illegally parked?

5 and yup of course. Quick meeting

[JfuckinC]

Just change your plate when you go to renew your registration, it's free. Annual reset on Impark tickets ;)

Someone stole my plate, this was the only updside haha

[benyl]

Just wondering if there is any legality behind this?

Well, you are on private property. No different than the plain clothes walmart loss prevention guys detaining you until the police arrive.

[ickyflex]

Well, you are on private property. No different than the plain clothes walmart loss prevention guys detaining you until the police arrive.

Not sure "illegally parking" is the same as theft though

[ExtraSlow]

Not sure "illegally parking" is the same as theft though

It's exactly the same.

[Gestalt]

It's exactly the same.

One is a crimnal offence. The other isnt.

Doesnt smell right to me. Let em call the cops.

[shakalaka]

What did you end up doing?

[Super_Geo]

I'm curious how this turns out... hope you can get out of there w/o getting towed.

[D'z Nutz]

Not sure "illegally parking" is the same as theft though

You're using their resources and not compensating them for it.

Are you one of those people who park in their lots with no intentions of paying for it on purpose?

[ickyflex]

What did you end up doing?

Paid for parking and did a charge back on my credit card lol

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You're using their resources and not compensating them for it.

Are you one of those people who park in their lots with no intentions of paying for it on purpose?

I got tickets having a monthly parking pass for such dumb shit that I cancelled my pass and stopped ever paying. So yeah impark can screw themselves

[G-ZUS]

Paid for parking and did a charge back on my credit card lol

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I got tickets having a monthly parking pass for such dumb shit that I cancelled my pass and stopped ever paying. So yeah impark can screw themselves

what was the reason for the chargeback?

[born2workoncars]

lol - quick summary:
- feels entitled to steal parking
- gets caught
- pays
- brags about basically committing fraud with a chargeback
- this is all happening in a public place, online.

[killramos]

I have no idea where people get the idea that not paying for parking is acceptable.

If you don’t like Impark then don’t use them, doesn’t give you justification to rip them off. Amazing the ethical gymnastics people will go to to justify this stance though. “They mistakenly gave me a ticket when I was a monthly so now I steal from them because fuck the police”. I had impark accidentally give me tickets when I was monthly as well, even when it was my fault not displaying my permit, except I did the adult thing and called in to have the tickets cancelled which they were happy to do after checking my information.

By that logic I should stop paying my property taxes because I think Nenshi is an idiot.

OP deserves them boxing him in and towing his car.

[shakalaka]

Moral justification aside, I do think it's sort of an interesting tactic by Impark to send their 'enforcers' to box people in such manner. If you owe someone money, that doesn't give them a right to forcibly confine (illegal) you. Sure they can sue you in civil court and they would have the right to do that. In this case though, since they said we can tow or you can pay, it may be somewhat different and perhaps it was a good idea for the OP to not call their bluff on tow because they probably would have. I mean, why would they not if there's enough arrears owing.

[npham]

Paid for parking and did a charge back on my credit card lol

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I got tickets having a monthly parking pass for such dumb shit that I cancelled my pass and stopped ever paying. So yeah impark can screw themselves

Clearly if you had a valid pass, you wouldn't be getting tickets. If you did get tickets, and had a valid pass, you would be able to reverse those tickets.

I'd just pay the tickets and move on, but doing a charge back is some greasy shit. That's right up there with people "renting" stuff from Costco for their trailer park wedding and returning it the next day.

[max_boost]

They can call City of Calgary parking to ticket you and then tow you so I wouldn't want to escalate it fyi

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Moral justification aside, I do think it's sort of an interesting tactic by Impark to send their 'enforcers' to box people in such manner. If you owe someone money, that doesn't give them a right to forcibly confine (illegal) you.

That was my thought as well, but how different would it be than a loss prevention guy at Home Depot detaining a shoplifter, if OP had not paid for parking in this instance? Can non-officers only detain someone if it is temporary until an actual police officer is present, rather than the shakedown they were giving the OP?

[KrisYYC]

The juvenile sense of entitlement is strong in this one.

[shakalaka]

That was my thought as well, but how different would it be than a loss prevention guy at Home Depot detaining a shoplifter, if OP had not paid for parking in this instance? Can non-officers only detain someone if it is temporary until an actual police officer is present, rather than the shakedown they were giving the OP?

Yes, LPO's have an obligation to inform the police immediately if they detain someone. In fact this obligation is for everyone who performs a citizen's arrest as it is contained in the Code. Most LPO's even go as far as reading the Charter rights to the people they detain, however, when the police shows up they go through the Charter/Prosper warning anyway. Law's still somewhat out on the obligation of LPO's for reading the Charter rights/giving a Prosper warning as typically only the agents of the State (cops, peace officers etc) have a legal obligation to do that. It is a grey area for sure but as a general rule of thumb and to avoid any legal argument most LPO's will go over the rights just to be on the safe side and when the police arrives they do what they are always typically required to do. So they simply detain for a short period until an actual police officer can come and overtake the investigation.

[Lex350]

Clearly if you had a valid pass, you wouldn't be getting tickets. If you did get tickets, and had a valid pass, you would be able to reverse those tickets.

I'd just pay the tickets and move on, but doing a charge back is some greasy shit. That's right up there with people "renting" stuff from Costco for their trailer park wedding and returning it the next day.


While I don't agree with OP's attitude about it all...what you said is sometimes false. I've had this happen to me. Go ahead, try to fight it. They are just as bad as fighting the Calgary parking authority when you get a ticket you shouldn't. At the end of the day the hassle just isn't worth it. That's what they are counting on.

[killramos]

Moral justification aside, I do think it's sort of an interesting tactic by Impark to send their 'enforcers' to box people in such manner. If you owe someone money, that doesn't give them a right to forcibly confine (illegal) you. Sure they can sue you in civil court and they would have the right to do that. In this case though, since they said we can tow or you can pay, it may be somewhat different and perhaps it was a good idea for the OP to not call their bluff on tow because they probably would have. I mean, why would they not if there's enough arrears owing.

You are obviously more versed in this, but is parking a car in front of his on private property really forcible confinement?

He is obviously free to leave, it’s his car they are preventing from leaving.

:dunno:

[ickyflex]

I have no idea where people get the idea that not paying for parking is acceptable.

If you don’t like Impark then don’t use them, doesn’t give you justification to rip them off. Amazing the ethical gymnastics people will go to to justify this stance though. “They mistakenly gave me a ticket when I was a monthly so now I steal from them because fuck the police”. I had impark accidentally give me tickets when I was monthly as well, even when it was my fault not displaying my permit, except I did the adult thing and called in to have the tickets cancelled which they were happy to do after checking my information.

By that logic I should stop paying my property taxes because I think Nenshi is an idiot.

OP deserves them boxing him in and towing his car.

4 tickets for having a legitimate pass is not accidental, when they say permit not showing when it clearly is and then not having photo proof of no display of permit. Agree or disagree it doesn't really matter to me, but to me that is a scam. We all know impark doesn't have anything for customer service that honor any sort of normal business conduct. Any normal circumstances I have zero issues with being at fault and paying.

It is comical everyone here talks as though they all have proper moral ethics in every bit of things that happen on their daily lives. I didn't bitch and complain, I simply asked if they are allowed to take the actions taken. I pay any ticket I get if warranted. If I had a city ticket i'd pay it too in this scenario, was only asking about the approach taken

[Gestalt]

That was my thought as well, but how different would it be than a loss prevention guy at Home Depot detaining a shoplifter, if OP had not paid for parking in this instance? Can non-officers only detain someone if it is temporary until an actual police officer is present, rather than the shakedown they were giving the OP?

they cant detain you unless they witness an indictable ofense

[Tik-Tok]

Moral justification aside, I do think it's sort of an interesting tactic by Impark to send their 'enforcers' to box people in such manner.

They weren't confining him though, just his car.

[blitz]

While I don't agree with OP's attitude about it all...what you said is sometimes false. I've had this happen to me. Go ahead, try to fight it. They are just as bad as fighting the Calgary parking authority when you get a ticket you shouldn't. At the end of the day the hassle just isn't worth it. That's what they are counting on.

This is where Impark is shooting themselves in the foot in a long term sense. They're impossible to deal with when they make a mistake and that causes people to have a "go fuck yourself Impark" mindset.

[ickyflex]

what was the reason for the chargeback?

Explained the situation, they said it is a common reason people call and proceeded. Simple as that.

[msommers]

Dealing with these parking companies is impossible, even if you pay and have proof. We got another notice in the mail to pay and the fine is now over $100. GF is pissed and feeling on edge about it. My experience around Christmas:

https://forums.beyond.ca/threads/406225-Indigo-WestPark-Parking-Scam?highlight=scam

OP also said he has almost 400 parking tickets. This is an extreme case on both ends it seems...

Still total bullshit they just give people tickets even if being lawful about it.

[ickyflex]

Dealing with these parking companies is impossible, even if you pay and have proof. We got another notice in the mail to pay and the fine is now over $100. GF is pissed and feeling on edge about it. My experience around Christmas:

https://forums.beyond.ca/threads/406225-Indigo-WestPark-Parking-Scam?highlight=scam

OP also said he has almost 400 parking tickets. This is an extreme case on both ends it seems...

Still total bullshit they just give people tickets even if being lawful about it.

that was a misleading total in reference to coworkers whom all don't pay for impark either. Let's be honest. Half of downtown parks in impark illegally. Moved close enough after new car to not need to drive in often. This car was a clean record and had a parking permit because I was driving in regularly

[benyl]

Moral justification aside, I do think it's sort of an interesting tactic by Impark to send their 'enforcers' to box people in such manner. If you owe someone money, that doesn't give them a right to forcibly confine (illegal) you.

They aren't doing shit to you. You can walk away.

You are on private property, they can move and put things anywhere they want.

How is it different then having a barrier arm that prevents you from leaving if you haven't paid?

[Xtrema]

Moral justification aside, I do think it's sort of an interesting tactic by Impark to send their 'enforcers' to box people in such manner. If you owe someone money, that doesn't give them a right to forcibly confine (illegal) you. Sure they can sue you in civil court and they would have the right to do that. In this case though, since they said we can tow or you can pay, it may be somewhat different and perhaps it was a good idea for the OP to not call their bluff on tow because they probably would have. I mean, why would they not if there's enough arrears owing.

I'm sure they only do it to people with plates that has a lot of hits.

I forget to put my pass up 1/2 the time and officially I have 2 unpaid tickets against my plate and loss prevention never pull this stunt on me.

[Super_Geo]

This car was a clean record and had a parking permit because I was driving in regularly

This was your first parking ticket on the car? And they boxed you in and were going to tow you for it? Doesn't sound right...

[shakalaka]

Yea if he’d be free to leave it wouldn’t really be forcible confinement. From reading the original post I read the ‘would not let me leave’ as literally the OP was not allowed to leave and not just the vehicle, but makes sense. If they are withholding the vehicle alone, I guess it’s somewhat similar to a landlord not letting the tenant access to their belongings due to unpaid rent or damage. It’s civil court then for sure but they can very easily just rightfully tow the vehicle so the question of leaving the vehicle boxed in at the parking spot itself doesn’t really become much of an issue.

[M.alex]

As somebody who wastes $500/mth to Impark for a parking spot I approve of this loss prevention strategy. :)

[Gestalt]

Yea if he’d be free to leave it wouldn’t really be forcible confinement. From reading the original post I read the ‘would not let me leave’ as literally the OP was not allowed to leave and not just the vehicle, but makes sense. If they are withholding the vehicle alone, I guess it’s somewhat similar to a landlord not letting the tenant access to their belongings due to unpaid rent or damage. It’s civil court then for sure but they can very easily just rightfully tow the vehicle so the question of leaving the vehicle boxed in at the parking spot itself doesn’t really become much of an issue.

Landlor cant gold your posessions without court order. Police would let you in and charge the landlord

[benyl]

Landlor cant gold your posessions without court order. Police would let you in and charge the landlord

How about a mechanic who doesn't release a vehicle because the owner hasn't paid his bill?

[Gestalt]

How about a mechanic who doesn't release a vehicle because the owner hasn't paid his bill?

Mechanics lean. No such thing in landlord tenant. Trust me i tried to keep a tv, cops let him in to take it with a warming.

[Rocket1k78]

It is comical everyone here talks as though they all have proper moral ethics in every bit of things that happen on their daily lives

What did you expect lol you say you have multiple unpaid tickets and after you're forced to pay them you do a charge back. Im not shitting on you either, im just not sure what reaction you were expecting

[sabad66]

Was the chargeback actually approved? I feel like impark could easily fight it with proof and you'd be stuck paying for it in the end after wasting your time to do the chargeback.

[G-ZUS]

Was the chargeback actually approved? I feel like impark could easily fight it with proof and you'd be stuck paying for it in the end after wasting your time to do the chargeback.


OP makes chargebacks seem easy to do

[Gestalt]

The juvenile sense of entitlement is strong in this one.

Entitoement is charging insane parking fees to people trying to make HONEst living.

[Swank]

This is quite the pot and kettle scenario :rofl:

[ExtraSlow]

Impark as a company is pretty shitty, they make a lot of mistakes and are generally awful to deal with even for their paying customers. However, stealing from them is still stealing, and just because they are shitty, it doesn't make you some kind of robin hood.

[dubhead]

Loss prevention specialists that's a new one I don't even now how many Impark tickets I have probably time for a new plate. It could be worse though some of the shady parking companies up here in Edmonton boot peoples cars and shake them down for money.

[Disoblige]

As somebody who wastes $500/mth to Impark for a parking spot I approve of this loss prevention strategy. :)

Boom. Look who's back!

[Xtrema]

Was the chargeback actually approved? I feel like impark could easily fight it with proof and you'd be stuck paying for it in the end after wasting your time to do the chargeback.

I did that to another parking joint because I thought they charged me 5 times on one day thinking it was duplicate. End up they don't use realtime authorization and just pool all transaction and process them weekly.

Charge back failed and once they explained it, I'm ok with that.

[know1edge]

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[rage2]

Mechanics lean.
Something like this?

81769

[lilmira]

That’s what you call a lean hold.

[killramos]

Something like this?

81769

https://www.tmjtherapyandsleepcenter.com/images/blog/2011-05-23-sleepy-worker.jpg

I think this is more appropriate in his case

[speedog]

Maybe we should all takes turns parking in OP's driveway, tit for tat?

[gwill]

What the op described is extortion. No parking company can demand you do anything or prevent your vehicle from leaving. In edmonton the police arrested the owners of a parking company who forced people to pay money to remove a boot.

Impark can not hold you captive and can not force you to pay for parking. Once your being held against your will they are breaking the law.

[npham]

What the op described is extortion. No parking company can demand you do anything or prevent your vehicle from leaving. In edmonton the police arrested the owners of a parking company who forced people to pay money to remove a boot.

Impark can not hold you captive and can not force you to pay for parking. Once your being held against your will they are breaking the law. I think we've established that they just blocked his car from leaving, and didn't physically hold his person from leaving.

[Gestalt]

I think we've established that they just blocked his car from leaving, and didn't physically hold his person from leaving.

They have no authority to steal your car either. Theft by my layewr is as simple as depriving you of its use.

They cant hold your property for a parking ticket ylu have not been convited of.

[msommers]

Where in the law does it say that specifically?

[Gestalt]

What the op described is extortion. No parking company can demand you do anything or prevent your vehicle from leaving. In edmonton the police arrested the owners of a parking company who forced people to pay money to remove a boot.

Impark can not hold you captive and can not force you to pay for parking. Once your being held against your will they are breaking the law.

This is right as i was warned when i tried to keep a tenants tv.

[killramos]

You know what else is illegal?

Trespassing.

Oh right this is about the man shitting on the little guy. Carry on.

[Gestalt]

You know what else is illegal?

Trespassing.

Oh right this is about the man shitting on the little guy. Carry on.

Its not actually and its not criminal. But carry on.

[gwill]

You know what else is illegal?

Trespassing.

Oh right this is about the man shitting on the little guy. Carry on.

when they prevented him from driving away and forced an option for him to pay to leave it became extortion. The police would take this very serious. The parking company broke a law but your concern is with the guy who parked on private property??

It's a game of cat and mouse between parking companies and those who know their rights when it comes to parking. We all know a private land owner can't force someone to pay for parking and he can't force people to pay their tickets. You also can't extort people into paying...

Land owners have few reliable options for them to deal with parking issues. They should officially legalize booting and the problem would be solved.

Until then parking companies are fully aware of the laws they must follow.

[sexualbanana]

They aren't doing shit to you. You can walk away.

You are on private property, they can move and put things anywhere they want.

How is it different then having a barrier arm that prevents you from leaving if you haven't paid?

^ That.

Their shady business practices aside, you're parked on private property and didn't pay the owner at various times.

Now, if you paid for that time and they're trying to get you on past incidences; then you might have a case - albeit, a very thin one.

[know1edge]

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[ExtraSlow]

So if impark blocks you in, just call the cops? Wonder how fast CPS responds to that call?

[gwill]

So if impark blocks you in, just call the cops? Wonder how fast CPS responds to that call?

imagine getting to your car on the streets where you see a tow truck that was about to hook up your car. He demands cash not to tow it.... that's the closest comparable to the ops story. It's illegal. They can't do that. They would have to let you go.

So yes call the police. Parking companies have zero rights to force someone to pay and can't hold you hostage while extorting you for money. Now if they happen to tow you before you get to your car? That's too bad...

Even then I've seen people debating that a tow company can not keep your car.. if you called police theyd have to give it back. I'm genuinely curious about this aspect if true.

[AndyL]

imagine getting to your car on the streets where you see a tow truck that was about to hook up your car. He demands cash not to tow it.... that's the closest comparable to the ops story. It's illegal. They can't do that. They would have to let you go.


Actually the rules on that one are quite clear, on municipal tows, it's full legal hook + moved 16' - at that point the tow operator owns your vehicle, impound or pay for tow.

Doesn't mean the operator might not push it, try to make something for his time. I never found it worthwhile, some did.

Edit - reading comprehension before 2nd cup of coffee >me. Yeah if he's not hooked - he's fucked

[Cash Money Hoes]

I'll state the obvious, Impark, West Park, Vinci, etc. do not own these lots. They act as the administrator of the lots.

you may find insteresting the arrangements that these companies have with the owners of the real estate.

In the case of Westpark the agreement in place with the owner of the lot sees the owner paying Westpark a fee to act as the parking monitor (this may be large, small or negligible depending on the lot in question). All parking fees generated at the property go to the the owner of the lot. Parking lot revenue can be surprisingly huge and provides a significant hurdle rate to the alternative of developing the property.

Any revenue generated through the payment of tickets issued by Westpark goes to solely to Westpark. Westpark makes the majority of their money from ticket revenue.

This aligns the interests of the owner with Westpark as ticket volume should increase with lot monitoring frequency. Higher monitoring frequency sends the message to paying and non paying customers that payment is required and should result in increased income to the owner.

The parking administrator therefore has an interest in putting as much pressure as possible on people that have received tickets using measures up to and including towing the vehicles of repeat parking pirates.

I personally don't pay the parking tickets. That said, I do make an effort to pay for parking at lots that I frequently use, or lots that are administered by companies that administer lots that I do use regularly.

The big hammer these guys hold over me is the risk of being flagged as a parking pirate and massive inconvenience of being towed and not having my vehicle when I need it.

The risk of towing to parking pirates should increase with the widespread adoption of ticketing equipment that checks in real time how many outstanding parking infractions you have with a given parking administrator. There is no more reliance on humans to recognize a habitual parking fee pirate.

[speedog]

If they start putting in license plate recognition and logging systems then habitual non-payers would be screwed very quickly. They wouldn't even have to have access to registries, just a record of plates and a system that tallies the naughty ones would work.

[killramos]

I would lol if they start connecting problem plates to VINs.

6+ tickets, next time your plate gets flaggged operator takes down your VIN.

Would ruin the plate loophole pretty quick for serial offenders.

[rage2]

I would lol if they start connecting problem plates to VINs.

6+ tickets, next time your plate gets flaggged operator takes down your VIN.

Would ruin the plate loophole pretty quick for serial offenders.
Their staff already recognizes serial offenders even when changing plates regularly. I know someone who takes advantage of this, but his car was recognized and towed first ticket on the new plate.

[shakalaka]

Or you can just be like me and not only change plates often but also the car....

[rage2]

That's an expensive way to not pay for parking and tickets.

[killramos]

Or you can just be like me and not only change plates often but also the car....

I guarantee paying for parking is cheaper lol

[msommers]

Don't forget to change your phone at the same time as changing your car.

[sexualbanana]

not a lawyer, but really interested in this case. my interpretation

-not paying for parking is neither stealing/theft, or illegal and at most would fall under civil law of trespassing. i think the difference between this situation and the barrier arms is that any lot with an arm preventing you from leaving, will also have one preventing you from entering, which immediately removes any implied permission to enter.


I would argue that you're not being forced to park in the lot either. When you enter, for example, an Impark parking lot you've implicitly consented to the terms of use of the lot. In this case it's: use the parking spot and pay for its use. Lots have like a million signs that remind you that a) you're entering a pay lot, b) you're on private property and c) you need to pay for your parking spot.

As for Cash Money's point: Just because Impark/Vinci and other companies don't own the land doesn't mean they can't administer and enforce the rules of the property, in fact that's what they're there for. If someone trespasses on a tenant's property, the tenant can still claim trespassing. It doesn't have to be the landlord/owner doing it.

[Buster]

I would argue that you're not being forced to park in the lot either. When you enter, for example, an Impark parking lot you've implicitly consented to the terms of use of the lot. In this case it's: use the parking spot and pay for its use. Lots have like a million signs that remind you that a) you're entering a pay lot, b) you're on private property and c) you need to pay for your parking spot.

As for Cash Money's point: Just because Impark/Vinci and other companies don't own the land doesn't mean they can't administer and enforce the rules of the property, in fact that's what they're there for. If someone trespasses on a tenant's property, the tenant can still claim trespassing. It doesn't have to be the landlord/owner doing it.

well done. stuck the landing.

[ReflexFX]

I would argue that you're not being forced to park in the lot either. When you enter, for example, an Impark parking lot you've implicitly consented to the terms of use of the lot. In this case it's: use the parking spot and pay for its use. Lots have like a million signs that remind you that a) you're entering a pay lot, b) you're on private property and c) you need to pay for your parking spot.

As for Cash Money's point: Just because Impark/Vinci and other companies don't own the land doesn't mean they can't administer and enforce the rules of the property, in fact that's what they're there for. If someone trespasses on a tenant's property, the tenant can still claim trespassing. It doesn't have to be the landlord/owner doing it.

What's your point? Just because there are signs doesn't mean they have any legal bearing. I can throw a bunch of signs on private property that say that the parking fee is a case of beer. It doesn't mean shit.

[ickyflex]

I mean I was just generally curious about the manner, wasn't complaining that it happened was just legitimately wondering. Wasn't expecting it to be such a shit show. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I'd argue 99% of people are no less guilty or "stealing" from a corporation in some form. Whether it be streaming or vpns or "US Netflix" or torrenting or Microsoft Office licenses. Everyone is so quick to make judgement but justifies their own behavior. Throwing out entitlement, yet not realizing each one of you have their own sense of entitlement on another issue, but whatever makes you feel like you are all role models.

Update:
- Calgary Parking Authority & Impark was waiting at my car right up until expiry of my "paid" parking yesterday.
- Calgary Parking Authority followed me until I was out of downtown yesterday (stopping twice behind me when i picked up friends on the way out of the core)
- Same Calgary Parking Authority & Impark about 20 minutes left on my parking are there right now waiting to see if I move (literally just standing there, which I can see from the meeting room i'm in)

Boy are they going to be sad that I'm gone for the next two weeks out of town

[ExtraSlow]

Interesting that CPA is involved.

[ickyflex]

Interesting that CPA is involved.

CPA needs to ticket for trespassing before they can tow your vehicle.

Each Impark attendant has a CPA guy on speed dial

[Swank]

Wasn't expecting it to be such a shit show.
Aw c'mon, you're not that new here, there are 44 threads with Impark just in the title, it's definitely one of Beyond's triggers. Other gem topics include tipping, speed limits/enforcement, gun laws, and Nenshi.


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I'd argue 99% of people are no less guilty or "stealing" from a corporation in some form. Whether it be streaming or vpns or "US Netflix" or torrenting or Microsoft Office licenses. Everyone is so quick to make judgement but justifies their own behavior. Throwing out entitlement, yet not realizing each one of you have their own sense of entitlement on another issue, but whatever makes you feel like you are all role models.
:werd:

That's crazy that they're stalking you now, you really shit in their chili

[ExtraSlow]

All these little things you never learn when you pay for parking. Thanks for the education.

[FraserB]

How many unpaid tickets do you need to rack up that CPA is willing to camp out for hours and then follow you to make sure don’t go into another Impark lot?

It has to be in the thousands of dollars worth, don’t see it being worth their time otherwise.

[ickyflex]

How many unpaid tickets do you need to rack up that CPA is willing to camp out for hours and then follow you to make sure don’t go into another Impark lot?

It has to be in the thousands of dollars worth, don’t see it being worth their time otherwise.

81772

New Car/License Plate since May 2016

[FraserB]

Seems like an excessive response. Did you ever have words with the attendant?

They seem unreasonably pissed off

[ickyflex]

Seems like an excessive response. Did you ever have words with the attendant?

They seem unreasonably pissed off

Arguably depends if my new car/plate/address is tied to my old car/plate/address? Otherwise, on 3/28/18 I avoided their tow by luck of just going out for lunch before the tow truck came

Honestly, could just be trying to get the word out they on crack down for anyone really. I've seen many more tows out of the lots as of recently when walking to/from work and lunch

[G-ZUS]

CPA needs to ticket for trespassing before they can tow your vehicle.

Each Impark attendant has a CPA guy on speed dial


More ticket revenue for CPA

[ercchry]

How many unpaid tickets do you need to rack up that CPA is willing to camp out for hours and then follow you to make sure don’t go into another Impark lot?

It has to be in the thousands of dollars worth, don’t see it being worth their time otherwise.


What is CPA’s time really worth with how easy technology has made their jobs? :rofl:

[sexualbanana]

What's your point? Just because there are signs doesn't mean they have any legal bearing. I can throw a bunch of signs on private property that say that the parking fee is a case of beer. It doesn't mean shit.

You can get them for trespassing on your property and have them towed if they don't give you a case of beer. The rules are pretty black and white. The grey area is in the enforcement of the rules. You could choose to enforce the beer rule or you could choose not to. If your entire livelihood was dependent on receiving cases of beer, you'd want to enforce the rules, wouldn't you?

[spikerS]

Update:
- Calgary Parking Authority & Impark was waiting at my car right up until expiry of my "paid" parking yesterday.
- Calgary Parking Authority followed me until I was out of downtown yesterday (stopping twice behind me when i picked up friends on the way out of the core)
- Same Calgary Parking Authority & Impark about 20 minutes left on my parking are there right now waiting to see if I move (literally just standing there, which I can see from the meeting room i'm in)



I wonder if these tactics could be construed as harassment?

[Gestalt]

I wonder if these tactics could be construed as harassment?

I dont know about on their parking lot. But if you tell them to fuck off and they are following you around downtown thats criminal harrasment

[gwill]

Cpa has no authority on a private lot so it is weird they are hanging out at all. Cpa tickets are different then the invoices you get from diamond or impark. You have to pay cpa.

Any private lot will have a specific tow company who will tow. A random tow truck cant just show up to tow a vehicle

While people are debating legalities of parking on a private lot why not debate the legalities of what these companies can or can't do??? It's within everyones right to know yet the rules are not common knowledge.

[spikerS]

Cpa has no authority on a private lot so it is weird they are hanging out at all. Cpa tickets are different then the invoices you get from diamond or impark. You have to pay cpa.

Any private lot will have a specific tow company who will tow. A random tow truck cant just show up to tow a vehicle

While people are debating legalities of parking on a private lot why not debate the legalities of what these companies can or can't do??? It's within everyones right to know yet the rules are not common knowledge.

That isn't true at all. Any authorized person can contact CPA and have them attend and ticket and/or tow a vehicle on private property. This also applies to street parking. So if the Impark guys have a hard on for the guy, they can call the CPA and have them come out to ticket and tow on the spot.

[speedog]

This should be as simple as just paying for parking in the lot one is in but apparently it is not.

[know1edge]

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[ReflexFX]

You can get them for trespassing on your property and have them towed if they don't give you a case of beer. The rules are pretty black and white. The grey area is in the enforcement of the rules. You could choose to enforce the beer rule or you could choose not to. If your entire livelihood was dependent on receiving cases of beer, you'd want to enforce the rules, wouldn't you?

Yes, they can have the CPA come and tow/ticket you for trespassing on private property as per City of Calgary Traffic Bylaw Section 28(1). That's because you did not purchase a ticket which acts as the property owners consent to having you on their property for the allotted time. That's the only recourse the private property owner has. There is no grey area or ambiguity of enforcement. To have CPA come tow/ticket on private property, they must be contacted.

They cannot reinforce any ticket payments, regardless of whatever sign is posted, because again, they have no legal bearing. What if instead you posted up signs for a million bucks? Obviously I'm exaggerating, but there is no context for the government to support or enforce whatever "rules" some parking lot owner dreamed up.

[killramos]

How? a plate change can be attributed to a new plate or a new owner

Feel free to discuss that with them after they impound your red flagged car lol

[know1edge]

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[sexualbanana]

Yes, they can have the CPA come and tow/ticket you for trespassing on private property as per City of Calgary Traffic Bylaw Section 28(1). That's because you did not purchase a ticket which acts as the property owners consent to having you on their property for the allotted time. That's the only recourse the private property owner has. There is no grey area or ambiguity of enforcement. To have CPA come tow/ticket on private property, they must be contacted.

They cannot reinforce any ticket payments, regardless of whatever sign is posted, because again, they have no legal bearing. What if instead you posted up signs for a million bucks? Obviously I'm exaggerating, but there is no context for the government to support or enforce whatever "rules" some parking lot owner dreamed up.

Your example extends into a lot of other areas that are completely irrelevant to this argument.

Parking is a service provided by the landowner and administered by Vinci, Impark, et al. So the question is: what can service companies legally do to ensure that they are compensated for their service (the ethics of their business practice not withstanding)? benyl's argument, which I'm in agreement with, is that Impark's method of using staff to trap cars until they pay is basically the same as parking lots that use barrier arms that only users to leave after payment has been confirmed/received.

The caveat to this is that I don't think the parking companies are able to do this to retroactively enforce past incidences; ie. accumulated tickets. And can only enforce payment for the current parking situation. Even then, the case is kind of thin because then you'd have to admit to parking without payment in those prior instances and I think that can open up a much bigger can of worms from a financial standpoint, depending on how aggressively they (the parking companies) would want to pursue.

[gwill]

Feel free to discuss that with them after they impound your red flagged car lol

cpa cant enforce tickets from a private yard as there is no legal grounds for these tickets to begin with. These tickets are essentially invoices with no legal basis for people to pay.

Cpa cant do anything with these unpaid tickets... perhaps towing is a bit different.

It's weird impark would call cpa when they have a dedicated towing team.