New rules for selling cars, what does this mean?

[ExtraSlow]

Alberta NDP government has introduced new rules for selling automobiles, and I'm wondering specifically how that'll work for private sales.

Seems like it's now mandatory to provide a "complete vehicle history", so a carproof I guess. Anything else that will impact private sales?

Link to cbc news article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-car-repair-purchase-rule-change-government-1.4879067

[rage2]

I couldn't find anything that says if it covers private sales. They're industry rules, so I'm *guessing* it just covers shops and dealers.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I feel like most reputable shops already practice all of this.

I also feel like Brian Malkinson drives a GT350 and I’ve talked to him at a meet before.

[Skrilla]

What ever will the dealers do who use a Z in place of an S in their name :D

[Tik-Tok]

This must be one of the rules Kenney wants to remove to "even the playing field" between consumer and dealership.

[rage2]

Confirmed, this applies to businesses only. It pisses me off that I can do way better research than journalists these days in 5 mins. Might as well just read fucking headlines. Maybe the kids are onto something...

AMVIC Statement: https://www.amvic.org/new-automotive-laws-in-alberta-effective-oct-31-2018/
Proposed rule changes (Search for Part 2.1 Automotive Sales and Repairs on page 42) : http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/gazette/2018/pdf/13_July14_Part2.pdf


This must be one of the rules Kenney wants to remove to "even the playing field" between consumer and dealership.
That does make sense.

[Doozer]

I couldn't find anything that says if it covers private sales. They're industry rules, so I'm *guessing* it just covers shops and dealers.

When I read the article this morning my first thought was the effect on private sales, but I agree with Rage that it's gotta be only "professional" type sales. I didn't see anything explicitly stating one way or the other though.

I wonder how they'll enforce that over the next few years.... there are a lot of cars that could be sold in the next, say, decade, that are already many years old and don't have complete histories available.

EDIT - too late, confirmed again above.

[ExtraSlow]

Rage you should be a journalist.

[rage2]

Rage you should be a journalist.
Don't think they pay enough. :rofl:

[ExtraSlow]

Don't think they pay enough. :rofl:

Maybe I should be a journalist then!

[HiTempguy1]

What this does is punish people buying cheaper used vehicles by increasing the costs associated with selling a vehicle.

I'm against it. There is zero evidence to suggest massive issues with dealerships/car sales lots selling vehicles under false pretenses. Does it happen? Yes. Does this solve any of it? No.

If anything, they need to change the advertising rules that sucker people into looking at a shit vehicle in the first place. After a test drive, any issues are readily apparent, plus just looking at a vehicle will clue a buyer in as to issues.

A carproof does zero to help anyone unless there are outstanding issues that should already be disclosed. Yes, accident vehicles, even if repaired, are viewed as being "worth less", which is silly IMO, a competent repair is a competent repair. But you already have to disclose if a vehicle has rebuilt vs active status.

And this is quite gestapo like:


Bill of sale
31.2(1) A business operator engaged in automotive sales must use a
bill of sale that includes the following:
(b) the number of the government-issued identification that the
business operator uses to confirm the identity of the
consumer;

Why the fuck does the government or the person selling me a vehicle need to "confirm my identity"?

[dirtsniffer]

I think the mandatory carproof is helpful so damage claims are out in the open. So it's not a shock when they go to sell and then a dealer offers then 20% less because of a previous claim.

Also I really think the part about a standard form for deposits is important, so much grey area that results in so many headaches.

Now if only they would tackle forced depreciation payments after an accident.

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Why the fuck does the government or the person selling me a vehicle need to "confirm my identity"?

I suspect so that if it is used in a crime they have some idea of who was involved or where it went.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

The issue with carproof is that I’ve seen plenty of vehicles that obviously have repaint or repair with absolutely nothing showing on the carproof. Also most times if there’s anything onnthr carfax it won’t show up in the carproof and vice versa.

[firebane]

The issue with carproof is that I’ve seen plenty of vehicles that obviously have repaint or repair with absolutely nothing showing on the carproof. Also most times if there’s anything onnthr carfax it won’t show up in the carproof and vice versa.

Had this with a private sale. Checked carproof showed nothing... but I know for fact the front end was either hit in a slow speed accident or something happened.

[ercchry]

And this is quite gestapo like:



Why the fuck does the government or the person selling me a vehicle need to "confirm my identity"?

Maybe cause 95% of dealer purchased vehicles are financed.... curbing identity theft :dunno:

[Rocket1k78]

I feel like most reputable shops already practice all of this.

What about the not so reputable or down right shady guys? I would be willing to bet that for every honest car dealer out there, there are at least 10 more that are not so trustworthy