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[dirtsniffer]

04Terminator is Toma

Toma banned October 2015, terminator shows up for November 2015
Gestalt created august 2016 and banned December 2018, terminator shows up at the same time.

Cool

Can we ban him yet?

[A790]

Unless he's moved to BC, I don't think it's the same person :)

[killramos]

Toma. lol

[Tik-Tok]

"He's not in on the Beyond pro-capitalism, anti-socialism circle jerk... It MUST be Toma!"

[killramos]

Has it really been over 3 years since we got rid of that loser? Time really flies.

[rx7boi]

Other notable bans include Seth1968.

So glad to be rid of that condescending piece of shit lol.

[dirtsniffer]

"He's not in on the Beyond pro-capitalism, anti-socialism circle jerk... It MUST be Toma!"
I was going based on timing. doubt it is a coincidence

Has it really been over 3 years since we got rid of that loser? Time really flies.
We've never really gotten rid of him

[BokCh0y]

Other notable bans include Seth1968.

So glad to be rid of that condescending piece of shit lol.

Couldn't have said it any better.

[HiTempguy1]

Other notable bans include Seth1968.

So glad to be rid of that condescending piece of shit lol.

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I guess I have a lot of work to do :(

[Sentry]

"He's not in on the Beyond pro-capitalism, anti-socialism circle jerk... It MUST be Toma!"
Neither am I, but I'd rather do something more productive with my time than arguing against internet conservatives. Like turboing more shitboxes.

[killramos]

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I guess I have a lot of work to do :(

[Sugarphreak]

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[Tik-Tok]

I normally don't mind people with differing opinions but I felt he was almost pathologically condescending about it to other posters.

That sounds exactly like HiTempGuy, except you probably agree with him more.

[Sugarphreak]

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[A790]

That sounds exactly like HiTempGuy, except you probably agree with him more.

Some people are just angry. He seems like one of them.

[Toilet_X]

I never really knew Toma. Its hard to get to know a guy on the other side of the glory hole.

[ThePenIsMightier]

I never really knew Toma. Its hard to get to know a guy on the other side of the glory hole.

Why so much time spent blowing Toma?
RoFL!!

[dirtsniffer]

Mouths a mouth I guess

[BerserkerCatSplat]

And ten bucks is ten bucks.

[Tik-Tok]

And ten bucks is ten bucks.

$10? What are you guys, students or something?

[HiTempguy1]

Some people are just angry. He seems like one of them.

:rofl:

Even phreak said I'm "nice" in a post above yours for the love of god :love:

You people are hilarious :angel: Toma was a weird dude, and is known to be a weird dude in real life. People seem to take staunch defense of ideas and arguments as anger, which I think reflects more on the passive personality of most people than on me. As mentioned in the banned thread, I have taken it to heart not to insult people, including when SOMEONE insults me such as in this quote (or joining Tik-Tok in insulting me again in the other thread), because the rules are different for different people on this forum. A big learning experience this has been ;)

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I agree Hitempguy and Snowcat are both great people in person.

[rage2]

I didn’t find Toma to be a weird dude in real life. I worked well with him over the years. He was certainly different on beyond. Disappointed how our friendship ended after his beyond behavior.

edit - since it’s been brought up, Snowcat is also top notch in person. I don’t think I’ve met HiTemp in person.

[rx7boi]

$10? What are you guys, students or something?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8BxUfkZT8OA/maxresdefault.jpg

[HiTempguy1]

I agree Hitempguy and Snowcat are both great people in person.

You inferring that I'm not great people online? :devil:


I didn’t find Toma to be a weird dude in real life....

I don’t think I’ve met HiTemp in person.

Eccentric might be the better word, but anyone I ever talked to certainly found him interesting, as did I when I briefly met him. I didn't say he was a bad person (I doubt many dorks who hang out on a defunct car forum talking politics vs stuff about actual cars fall in that category).

And no, we haven't met.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

You inferring that I'm not great people online? :devil:

I don’t form opinions of people online anymore because it doesn’t matter to me.

[A790]

I don’t form opinions of people online anymore because it doesn’t matter to me.

I used to feel that way, but the world has changed and your online persona is an extension of your personal brand. Being a dink or a weirdo online follows you offline. Hell, people get fired over tweets now.

[Darkane]

I didn’t find Toma to be a weird dude in real life. I worked well with him over the years. He was certainly different on beyond. Disappointed how our friendship ended after his beyond behavior.

edit - since it’s been brought up, Snowcat is also top notch in person. I don’t think I’ve met HiTemp in person.

Too bad about Toma. You guys tuned one of my cars together, and as recently as three years ago he tuned a car for my brother. We also used his dyno for my GT350 and a tuned C63.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Toma was a weird dude, and is known to be a weird dude in real life.

Somewhat disagree. I had many an online run-in with Toma but in person he seemed like a nice enough guy when we was running the dyno. His friends did mention they avoided political talk though, haha.

[JfuckinC]

It’s crazy that someone on the internet on a car forum of all places had such a deep and lasting affect(effect?) on some people that they are always on the lookout trying to figure out if someone is him and still talking about him years later lol

[Homerrca]

$10? What are you guys, students or something?

Yeah Jeez even a Forrest Lawn Special (Ask for Amy) is 20 bucks

[ExtraSlow]

I agree Hitempguy and Snowcat are both great people in person.

Have you ever really spent time chatting with people and at the end of the conversation still thought they were garbage? It's really rare. Most people are fine in real life. It's these danged intertubes that mess up our communications.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Have you ever really spent time chatting with people and at the end of the conversation still thought they were garbage? It's really rare. Most people are fine in real life. It's these danged intertubes that mess up our communications.

A few times yeah but they were really shitty people for sure.

[killramos]

Have you ever really spent time chatting with people and at the end of the conversation still thought they were garbage? It's really rare. Most people are fine in real life. It's these danged intertubes that mess up our communications.

Except for ExtraSlow. He’s genuinely the worst.

Comes off great online though... love the beer threads.

[dirtsniffer]

sounds like a beyond camping trip should get created for this summer

[rage2]

sounds like a beyond camping trip should get created for this summer
Which beyonder will get too drunk and piss themselves this time around?

[sabad66]

most people are different online than in person in my experience.

[ExtraSlow]

beyond group camping trip? That was really poorly attended last time. Was a good time, but three trailers in a group camp is a bit silly.

[dirtsniffer]

so who got drunk and pissed themselves? 3 trailers is alright - isn't that every white guy on beyond?

[Buster]

camping?

fuck that.

I prefer standing on the shoulders of giants and living a life of luxury.

[msommers]

most people are different online than in person in my experience.

To be fair, people can be different hammered as well, for better or worse. Still the same person though.

No one I've met on Beyond in person is a polar opposite to how they post -- they're actually pretty damn close.

[sabad66]

To be fair, people can be different hammered as well, for better or worse. Still the same person though.

No one I've met on Beyond in person is a polar opposite to how they post -- they're actually pretty damn close.

I should have been more clear - i was more referring to the manner in which they speak not their general ideas/viewpoints. For example i highly doubt hitemp would call people that don't agree with him retards/idiots/whatever to their faces if given the chance. just basing this on my experience with co-workers/friends how they are online and in group chats vs real life.

[Toilet_X]

Camping trip huh. Who wants to bunk with me??????

[ZenOps]

I'd buy that for a nickel.

[schurchill39]

3 trailers is alright - isn't that every white guy on beyond?

I'm starting to think that there are at least a dozen of us whiteys on here, not the 3 that I was convinced of for so many years.

[Sugarphreak]

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[msommers]

. For example i highly doubt hitemp would call people that don't agree with him retards/idiots/whatever to their faces if given the chance.

I'm jealous of your optimistic nature.

[HiTempguy1]

I'm jealous of your optimistic nature.

Yea, I'd totally call some of you idiots to your faces if the conversation lead that way. Nothing to do with disagreeing with viewpoints.

Perfect example: anyone who claims the NDP will win/have a good chance of winning the election.

No they don't. That's retarded. The person is an idiot. They must be some form of stupid because there is nothing at all that remotely gets you logically to that conclusion. And if a conversation went that route, I'd certainly use those words. Really because at that point, the only possible hope of convincing that person of anything is to cause them any doubt possible in their thinking. Clearly logic and information is off the table at that point due to their ignorance.

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I totally agree that online/offline isn't that different. On a very, very shallow basis it is. But if you actually get to know the person at all? Nope. People are horrible judges of character. Didn't rage go on lunch dates with the real estate guy who scammed Beyonders? Scammed might be a strong word, but he was fully aware of it wasn't he?

[ThePenIsMightier]

Yea, I'd totally call some of you idiots to your faces if the conversation lead that way. Nothing to do with disagreeing with viewpoints.

Perfect example: anyone who claims the NDP will win/have a good chance of winning the election.

No they don't. That's retarded. The person is an idiot. They must be some form of stupid because there is nothing at all that remotely gets you logically to that conclusion. And if a conversation went that route, I'd certainly use those words. Really because at that point, the only possible hope of convincing that person of anything is to cause them any doubt possible in their thinking. Clearly logic and information is off the table at that point due to their ignorance.

I like how the last election was totally obvious who would win too. And that one in the US. Everyone knew Clinton was going to win.

[A790]

Really because at that point, the only possible hope of convincing that person of anything is to cause them any doubt possible in their thinking. Clearly logic and information is off the table at that point due to their ignorance.
Nobody has ever been convinced of anything after being called an idiot or a retard.

[HiTempguy1]

Nobody has ever been convinced of anything after being called an idiot or a retard.

Convince them of what? I said doubt. Rarely is my goal in a conversation to convince someone of my position, because people are biased and have those biases deeply ingrained. Look at any "debate" that's ever shown on TV. Nobody goes "well now I'm convinced". To be clear, usually stating you think someone is "blank" (be it racist, homophobic, or stupid) is the end of the conversation.

It's been very rare I've seen anyone convince someone else of anything. A person decides whether they want to be enlightened. I've certainly seen people doubt their lines of thinking though. Doubt is what changes minds.

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Doubt comes from fear. Fear is certainly a powerful tool. I'm never going to convince, say specifically, you, of anything, nor vice versa, because we both clearly believe we are right in our thinking.

[bjstare]

I never said convince, did I?

It's been very rare I've seen anyone convince someone else of anything. A person decides whether they want to be enlightened. I've certainly seen people doubt their lines of thinking though. Doubt is what changes minds.

I'd agree.

But calling someone an idiot or retard isn't going to make them second guess their decisions. It's going to make them think you're the idiot/retard, or they'll just be offended and think you're an asshole.

[rage2]

Yea, I'd totally call some of you idiots to your faces if the conversation lead that way. Nothing to do with disagreeing with viewpoints.

Perfect example: anyone who claims the NDP will win/have a good chance of winning the election.

No they don't. That's retarded. The person is an idiot. They must be some form of stupid because there is nothing at all that remotely gets you logically to that conclusion. And if a conversation went that route, I'd certainly use those words. Really because at that point, the only possible hope of convincing that person of anything is to cause them any doubt possible in their thinking. Clearly logic and information is off the table at that point due to their ignorance.

Future reference, just in case haha.

[Buster]

I'd agree.

But calling someone an idiot or retard isn't going to make them second guess their decisions. It's going to make them think you're the idiot/retard, or they'll just be offended and think you're an asshole.

People don't change their convictions anyway.

[dirtsniffer]

I've been convinced of several things by beyond over the years. Even realized I've been an idiot a time or 5. Generally it's not people who resort to insults who enlighten me. For instance kert has a much better chance convincing me a bike lane is a good idea vs Toma.

[A790]

I've been convinced of several things by beyond over the years. Even realized I've been an idiot a time or 5. Generally it's not people who resort to insults who enlighten me. For instance kert has a much better chance convincing me a bike lane is a good idea vs Toma.
Same. My stance on several issues has changed as a result of conversations on beyond.


People don't change their convictions anyway.
I don't think this is true. People won't change when they're being talked down to, though.


I'd agree.

But calling someone an idiot or retard isn't going to make them second guess their decisions. It's going to make them think you're the idiot/retard, or they'll just be offended and think you're an asshole.
Exactly right.


Convince them of what? I said doubt. Rarely is my goal in a conversation to convince someone of my position, because people are biased and have those biases deeply ingrained. Look at any "debate" that's ever shown on TV. Nobody goes "well now I'm convinced". To be clear, usually stating you think someone is "blank" (be it racist, homophobic, or stupid) is the end of the conversation.

It's been very rare I've seen anyone convince someone else of anything. A person decides whether they want to be enlightened. I've certainly seen people doubt their lines of thinking though. Doubt is what changes minds.

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Doubt comes from fear. Fear is certainly a powerful tool. I'm never going to convince, say specifically, you, of anything, nor vice versa, because we both clearly believe we are right in our thinking.
I agree and disagree. I agree with the sentiment of your post - that doubt is what changes mind - but 100% disagree with how you choose to deliver that message. Talk to me like an asshole and I couldn't give a fuck what you have to say at that point. Talk to me like you recognize that I'm an intelligent person just like you are and it's much more likely that I'll be receptive towards your message.

[rx7boi]

I agree and disagree. I agree with the sentiment of your post - that doubt is what changes mind - but 100% disagree with how you choose to deliver that message. Talk to me like an asshole and I couldn't give a fuck what you have to say at that point. Talk to me like you recognize that I'm an intelligent person just like you are and it's much more likely that I'll be receptive towards your message.

+1. There are several personalities here who post that way but I find that most people like that are just in it to be right anyway. There's diminished accomplishment and productivity in talking to people who don't approach anything with at least a reasonable sense of humility.

[shakalaka]

I vote for some kind of a car cruise instead. Oh and on a weekend or some shit so I can make it down from Edmonton.

[Sentry]

I'd be down for a beyond cruise.

[Buster]

I've been convinced of several things by beyond over the years. Even realized I've been an idiot a time or 5. Generally it's not people who resort to insults who enlighten me. For instance kert has a much better chance convincing me a bike lane is a good idea vs Toma.

People tend to over rate the number of times this has happened.

[heavyD]

I don't think Toma was a bad guy but he's a prime example of what happens when a person has an unhealthy obsession with politics.

[schurchill39]

Yea, I'd totally call some of you idiots to your faces if the conversation lead that way. Nothing to do with disagreeing with viewpoints.

Perfect example: anyone who claims the NDP will win/have a good chance of winning the election.

No they don't. That's retarded. The person is an idiot. They must be some form of stupid because there is nothing at all that remotely gets you logically to that conclusion. And if a conversation went that route, I'd certainly use those words. Really because at that point, the only possible hope of convincing that person of anything is to cause them any doubt possible in their thinking. Clearly logic and information is off the table at that point due to their ignorance.

Insulting someone doesn't cause any doubt. If anything it causes them to double down on their conviction even if its wrong. Your reaction to being called an idiot isn't "oh wait, maybe this person is right and I am an idiot" no its "fuck that guy, he can't have an intelligent convincing conversation so he resorts to insults, he's obviously got nothing and he's the idiot."

It must be so exhausting being always right and so angry all the time.

[tirebob]

I get people all the time come in and meet me for the first time and express how shocked they are because they thought I would have been different... I usually like to follow up with "Are you saying I'm an asshole in real life?" Lol! Always throws them off a bit.... Haha!

[Toilet_X]

Im also very different in real life, so very different in fact you'll stand there wondering " wow, did i just meet toilet???? And did my dick just get sucked?????? "

[Misterman]

Yea, I'd totally call some of you idiots to your faces if the conversation lead that way. Nothing to do with disagreeing with viewpoints.

Perfect example: anyone who claims the NDP will win/have a good chance of winning the election.

No they don't. That's retarded. The person is an idiot. They must be some form of stupid because there is nothing at all that remotely gets you logically to that conclusion. And if a conversation went that route, I'd certainly use those words. Really because at that point, the only possible hope of convincing that person of anything is to cause them any doubt possible in their thinking. Clearly logic and information is off the table at that point due to their ignorance.



Somebodies completely subjective opinion makes them an idiot. Solid!! There was no chance of the NDP getting in last time either. And look what happened!! Guess the idiots were right.

[legendboy]

For those of you that don't know Toma in person, he is amazingly smart and highly educated. Very personable, great sense of humor etc. And he is a big mofo! Awesome guy

[Toms-SC]

Aye. I'm finding the personal attacks on Toma pretty distasteful. We are all older and life has moved on from cars/politics to family. Fracturing the already tiny Calgary car community isn't doing anybody favors. Also, some of you might consider stepping outside of the Alberta bubble as some of the beliefs that Toma expressed in the past are normal in different regions of the world. Hell, he could be the next mayor of San Francisco.

[killramos]

Yea, cause it was his totally reasonable California style views that got him banned. Beyond is just a left wing hate machine trying to keep a man down.

[Buster]

For those of you that don't know Toma in person, he is amazingly smart and highly educated. Very personable, great sense of humor etc. And he is a big mofo! Awesome guy


Aye. I'm finding the personal attacks on Toma pretty distasteful. We are all older and life has moved on from cars/politics to family. Fracturing the already tiny Calgary car community isn't doing anybody favors. Also, some of you might consider stepping outside of the Alberta bubble as some of the beliefs that Toma expressed in the past are normal in different regions of the world. Hell, he could be the next mayor of San Francisco.

Hi Tomas!

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

I get people all the time come in and meet me for the first time and express how shocked they are because they thought I would have been different... I usually like to follow up with "Are you saying I'm an asshole in real life?" Lol! Always throws them off a bit.... Haha!

I mean, I'd say you're an asshole in real life ;)

[ExtraSlow]

I mean, I'd say you're an asshole in real life ;)
Only with one hand on the door handle.

[Sugarphreak]

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[tirebob]

I am just nice to all you bastids!^^^ The rest of the time I eat puppies and babies for snacks..

[ExtraSlow]

I didn't say he wasn't nice, he's always been great to me. Just saying I don't want to see what happens when he stops....