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D'z Nutz
07-27-2019, 10:34 AM
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Wow, I was expecting $3.25-4M/AAV depending on the term.

ExtraSlow
07-27-2019, 11:19 AM
That's a great deal of he wins and keeps the #1 spot.

R!zz0
07-27-2019, 01:25 PM
Frolik's name is trending on twitter so i think they are trying to trade him.

Buster
07-27-2019, 04:25 PM
Maybe lucic can top him up a mil or so

D'z Nutz
09-13-2019, 07:39 PM
1172548246436139008

370Z
09-13-2019, 09:55 PM
Marner has been signed. For a shitload of money... come on Tkachuk.

never
09-16-2019, 07:33 PM
Lucic just did more in one shift than Neal did all of last year!

adam c
09-16-2019, 07:38 PM
https://www.facebook.com/NHLFlames/videos/363669377848768/

ThePlaymaker
09-25-2019, 08:33 AM
https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/1176845688392404992
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1176841579451113478
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1176844382529449984

Let's Go!

GOnSHO
09-25-2019, 12:08 PM
TERRIBLE.. he should NOT be the highest paid player on the flames..

FunWheelDrive
09-25-2019, 12:18 PM
TERRIBLE.. he should NOT be the highest paid player on the flames..

Wrong way to look at it, as the cap increases every year player salary's obviously increase. You need to look at % of salary cap that year for value on a player. Tkachuk is only getting paid 250,000.00 more than Gio and Johnny Hockey, but compared to the cap when those contracts were signed to now, he is making less percentage for market cap then they are.

What are you supposed to do? Sign Crosby for 7 years and not pay any players more money than he makes a year for those seven years?

I like the contract.

colinxx235
09-25-2019, 12:21 PM
TERRIBLE.. he should NOT be the highest paid player on the flames..

How the business goes, if cap goes up x% then the next contract up is bound to exceed previous by said %

But he is one of the top players on the Flames and 21 years old, might I ask what value you think he should have signed for given his numbers?

Had the number approached 9.5... could be a different story. Now we will get to watch what he does for the next 3 years, if he improves his next contract will be much larger.

88CRX
09-25-2019, 12:45 PM
More AAV then I wanted to see, but Dubas really fucked the league over with his stupid overpriced RFA Matthews contract.

GOnSHO
09-25-2019, 01:37 PM
How the business goes, if cap goes up x% then the next contract up is bound to exceed previous by said %

But he is one of the top players on the Flames and 21 years old, might I ask what value you think he should have signed for given his numbers?

Had the number approached 9.5... could be a different story. Now we will get to watch what he does for the next 3 years, if he improves his next contract will be much larger.

Personally, I wouldve been ok with around the $6m AAV, we literally have no cap space left and have to CUT a roster spot.. He was streaky, had TRIPLE the penalty minutes of Johnny, and 5x as many as Monahan and middle of the pack +/- numbers, just dont see him as a $7m player.

colinxx235
09-25-2019, 02:00 PM
Personally, I wouldve been ok with around the $6m AAV, we literally have no cap space left and have to CUT a roster spot.. He was streaky, had TRIPLE the penalty minutes of Johnny, and 5x as many as Monahan and middle of the pack +/- numbers, just dont see him as a $7m player.

He had a bad streak from Jan - March but how much of that also had to do with the play of his linemates. When I look at him while he might get 62 PIMs I have a feeling he draws the most penalties on the flames (I tried to find some advanced analytics quickly but came short). What stands out to me is that he was +30 and +40 on Backlund/Frolik respectively while playing on a line that primarily takes on the opponents top line as a shutdown and counter punch. You also have to consider that he plays both sides of the ice, PP and PK, and is only getting better. Had it not been for that dry spell he probably would have been in the 90s for points.

JG went from 4 PIMs 2 years ago to getting mid 20s back to back seasons. Monahan is probably the furthest from aggressive you can get which is reflected in his PIMs total. The +- is a difficult stat with him given how much he played between lines on extra minutes and role he was asked to play.

If he was on the top line I would suspect his numbers would reflect more of that.

I don't think I'm alone in respect to his value, many of the "experts" were anticipating something in the 8.5-9ish range originally with a long term. Calgary is I guess gambling that he won't become a 1+pt/game player or were trying to crunch some short term numbers.

Sadly the sacrificing of a player has come against a few things. The Neal contract came back to bite big time and the Lucic trade is just... yah don't like to dive in on that. But having Valimaki get hurt and re-signing stone was unplanned and that alone had us under. Then you have the failed trades of Brodie that don't help, plus I keep hearing they have been trying to ship out Frolik to get the number lower. See how the rest unfolds. Worse case I could see them just burying Quine for a while until an injury happens and running 22 if they can't find a trade.

88CRX
09-25-2019, 02:19 PM
Personally, I wouldve been ok with around the $6m AAV, we literally have no cap space left and have to CUT a roster spot.. He was streaky, had TRIPLE the penalty minutes of Johnny, and 5x as many as Monahan and middle of the pack +/- numbers, just dont see him as a $7m player.

PIM comparison to the Flames 2 softest players is an odd take.

And +/- is a stupid individual category.

2Legit2Quit
09-25-2019, 02:25 PM
I'm okay with the $ amount and term, we're in a tight tight cap point at the moment and the term will let the team see how much he develops past his first few seasons to see if he warrants a big dollar contract in 3 years.

tonytiger55
09-25-2019, 03:18 PM
I went to the game yesterday.. It was fun.
Ive not been to the saddle dome in ages...
Why is the food so bad at the stadium...? Why why..? I had this weird dried up burger and with dried up chicken fingers...
Its just after 3pm and I still have not gone to the toilet. This is not normal.

beyond_ban
09-25-2019, 07:20 PM
TERRIBLE.. he should NOT be the highest paid player on the flames..

It is just how the league works with when you signed your contract in relation to the salary cap that year, for instance look at the Avalanche. Nathan Mackinnon is a top 5 player in the league and he is getting criminally underpaid at $6.3M. Rantanen is about to sign and most likely make north of $9M, despite being less valuable a player.

Buster
09-25-2019, 07:48 PM
I went to the game yesterday.. It was fun.
Ive not been to the saddle dome in ages...
Why is the food so bad at the stadium...? Why why..? I had this weird dried up burger and with dried up chicken fingers...
Its just after 3pm and I still have not gone to the toilet. This is not normal.

vindaloo?

bulaian
09-30-2019, 03:00 PM
Not necessarily Flames related...


Elliotte Friedman:
VAN is expected to put Sven Baertschi on waivers today. Adam Gaudette forced the Canucks to make some tough decisions.

colinxx235
09-30-2019, 03:53 PM
Not necessarily Flames related...


Elliotte Friedman:
VAN is expected to put Sven Baertschi on waivers today. Adam Gaudette forced the Canucks to make some tough decisions.


Weird... almost like we have a 2019-2020 NHL Thread it would have been more appropriately placed in :devil:

370Z
09-30-2019, 06:43 PM
Not necessarily Flames related...


Elliotte Friedman:
VAN is expected to put Sven Baertschi on waivers today. Adam Gaudette forced the Canucks to make some tough decisions.

Ha!

bulaian
10-01-2019, 10:27 AM
Weird... almost like we have a 2019-2020 NHL Thread it would have been more appropriately placed in :devil:

Still slightly Flames related enough to be here though. Since some people are still sour about him demanding to be traded out of here and would enjoy seeing him being waived.

dino_martini
10-02-2019, 04:49 PM
Flames released their schedule for the retro jerseys. Flames will wear the Heritage Classic whites twice at home. Looking forward to it.87716

asp integra
10-03-2019, 10:45 AM
The Retros and heritage classic whites should just be the two full time jerseys

ExtraSlow
10-03-2019, 11:00 AM
The Retros and heritage classic whites should just be the two full time jerseys

They need more styles of jerseys to sell more jerseys. That's all it is.

rage2
10-03-2019, 07:38 PM
100% shot % haha. Was wondering if we’d get a fucking SOG on a 2 man advantage.

dirtsniffer
10-03-2019, 09:22 PM
Lucic already more valuable than Neal

SOAB
10-04-2019, 10:40 AM
can someone explain to me why the Av's second goal wasn't called dead because of the high stick?

rage2
10-04-2019, 10:54 AM
can someone explain to me why the Av's second goal wasn't called dead because of the high stick?
Error by refs. Non reviewable.

SOAB
10-04-2019, 11:05 AM
Error by refs. Non reviewable.

https://www.nhl.com/news/rule-changes-for-2019-20-nhl-season/c-307950356

looks like they've changed the challenge rules. the teams can challenge any rule that is a black and white rule but if they're wrong, they get a 2 minute penalty. as many challenges in a game as you want.

370Z
10-04-2019, 01:45 PM
How many times did Brodie bobble the puck play night? Lol.... the play near the end leading to the empty netter was probably the worst.

Try him as a forward already.

ThePenIsMightier
10-08-2019, 10:52 PM
Does Lucic already have 6 goals in Calgary?
Oh, because Neal already has 6 goals in Edmonton. That's on the pace to beat his last year's total... Of 7...

rage2
10-09-2019, 07:35 AM
That was the most brutal 30 mins of hockey in the first and 2nd period. Comeback effort was solid, that 3rd goal was awesome. Should've been a high stick, but non reviewable just like the other night. Lose some win some. Fucking Bennett and penalties.

I like James Neal, hated the trade. :(

colinxx235
10-09-2019, 07:48 AM
That was the most brutal 30 mins of hockey in the first and 2nd period. Comeback effort was solid, that 3rd goal was awesome. Should've been a high stick, but non reviewable just like the other night. Lose some win some. Fucking Bennett and penalties.

I like James Neal, hated the trade. :(

Felt like watching two different teams, maybe everyone had a late alarm yesterday... jeez

I think both goals were high sticks so that one didn't bother me. Bennett needs to tighten up that shit.

Neal is benefiting from McJesus big time, he assisted all 4 goals. The trade is still a puzzler. But so far I'll give props for Lucic stepping up, I though he was a huge change last night. Mcdermott was all over Tkachuk and then Lucic goes and fights him. Gets the team going and took the guy off who is going after one of your best player (yes despite people bitching about Chucks contracts I think he's proving to be one of the best players/lots of skill).

Not like he's worth his AAV but if he stands up for his teammates all years and protects JG/Chuck etc might work out? :dunno:

schurchill39
10-09-2019, 07:58 AM
2 shots in the first period.... BRUTAL. Then ol'Looch punching that guy in the face got things going. Matty stepped up big in the second and third period. I was down by the glass and loved seeing him going after Doughty then Clifford trying to get in there and be someone. I am a little disappointed in Hamonic for not going after Kopitar (maybe.... could have been someone else) for laying on Rittich and shoving him in the third period there. All in all it was actually a much better game than I expected if you ignore the first period.

Johnny needs to stop being so afraid of any sort of physical contact what so ever. I get he's a small guy but fuck, he won't even throw a hit himself. In the second period in the Kings end he basically refused to shoot the puck despite being on Campbell's left hand side with no one around him. He's such a frustrating player to watch.

D'z Nutz
10-10-2019, 09:36 PM
:eek:

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asp integra
10-11-2019, 09:30 AM
Got so lucky, puck almost came off his stick on the backhand. Entertaining game, I was happy to see the Flames actually came out of the gates hot.

sxtasy
10-24-2019, 09:59 PM
Pretty fun game to watch, Flames showed signs of skill and chemistry from last season...but at the same time it was painful. We should have been way ahead of the Panthers all game, no way it should have gone to a shootout. Can't quite put my finger on what's wrong, to me it looks like defensive breakdowns. I like Rittich, I like his competitive attitude, but I don't think it's enough to take us far this season.

D'z Nutz
10-24-2019, 10:37 PM
I think it was a pretty ugly game for both teams. Just glad we came out ahead.

370Z
10-25-2019, 12:21 AM
Was at the game, great entertainment! Got our money's worth for sure!

Buster
10-29-2019, 07:39 PM
I've mostly stopped watching regular season hockey because it's boring and mostly pointless.

But I watched half a period tonight and this team is basically trash.

I think the last time they were good was in February sometime?

88CRX
10-29-2019, 08:03 PM
Flames are back to being pretenders.

Johnny, Monahan and Chucky are soft as baby shit. Those three are not capable of carrying this team anywhere. Combine that with Brodie’s intelligence, Bennett’s toe drags and Lucic’s foot speed and the flames are FUCKED.

370Z
10-29-2019, 09:31 PM
I'm thinking about stopping watching... they could win every single for the rest of the season and it wouldn't mean dick all if they don't show up for the playoffs. I get why people stop watching.

adam c
10-29-2019, 09:36 PM
I stopped, if I do happen to catch it maybe I’ll check it out but normally turn it off as soon as the other team scores cause there’s a good chance they just quit playing at that point

duaner
10-31-2019, 09:03 PM
That goal...:clap: Wow!

beyond_ban
10-31-2019, 10:38 PM
What a game... well third period and overtime, but huge to come back on the road. Not once, but twice. Hope this game can bring the boys together and get them on a bit of a roll.

Team_Mclaren
10-31-2019, 11:12 PM
like last year's Pitts game, hope this would jump start the season. Wicked fun to watch tonight

jampack
11-01-2019, 08:50 AM
What a goal lol

https://youtu.be/7v_F-peobEA

370Z
11-05-2019, 10:52 PM
So I guess Flames games are getting a little more exciting these days! Gotta watch the whole game though... well maybe just start after the 2nd intermission.

Happy to see them win like this again though... builds character and experience.

rage2
11-05-2019, 11:26 PM
At the game tonight, was bitching how shitty the game was and we need a Halloween miracle. Fuckers pulled through!

88CRX
11-06-2019, 08:39 AM
Yea that game was a snooze-fest for 50 minutes.

schurchill39
11-06-2019, 10:23 AM
Yea that game was a snooze-fest for 50 minutes.

I haven't watched it yet but I had friends who went to it and they agree with you. They said the first 48 minutes were garbage.

never
11-06-2019, 11:54 AM
At the game tonight, was bitching how shitty the game was and we need a Halloween miracle. Fuckers pulled through!

It was a terrible game with a great finish. So many people left early and didn't get to enjoy the only entertaining parts of the game.

Maxx Mazda
11-17-2019, 08:47 PM
What the fuck game was that?! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Buster
11-17-2019, 08:52 PM
What the fuck game was that?! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

The team is horrible. Last year was a fluke

88CRX
11-17-2019, 09:01 PM
Garbage.

No way Treliving does nothing.

Trade? Coach fired? Tre gets fired himself?

Reminds me of when Phanuef got traded for spare parts.

Buster
11-17-2019, 09:03 PM
Didn't Tre just get an extension? lol.

Peters probably should go, but really they should tart trading assets.

Aren't we giving these clowns a new building too? haha.

88CRX
11-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Will the flames ever score again???

370Z
11-19-2019, 09:49 PM
Yes, I'm predicting sometime near the end of the 2nd.. probably Luc to Ryan.

rage2
11-20-2019, 08:37 AM
Yes, I'm predicting sometime near the end of the 2nd.. probably Luc to Ryan.
Great prediction! :rofl:

asp integra
11-20-2019, 01:43 PM
Every year I get seduced into thinking the Flames are a good team. This year (so far) appears to be no different. Unless they figure out their shit sooner than later, there won't even be playoffs to think about. The only thing we can hope for is the team getting hot at the right time with a late season push and a fight for a playoff spot that carries into the spring, just like the Blues last year.

Buster
11-20-2019, 02:04 PM
This team as constructed is dead in the water. It's window has closed.

Ca_Silvia13
11-20-2019, 02:14 PM
This team as constructed is dead in the water. It's window has closed.

Building the team around Johnny was always going to fail. He is not a playoff player

88CRX
11-20-2019, 02:54 PM
This team as constructed is dead in the water. It's window has closed.

Has their window closed? Was their window ever open? LOL

The team has barely changed from last season (Neal for Lucic and Talbot for Smith) and somehow we fall off a cliff. Maybe they were just pretenders last season and they fooled us all?

And lots of blame to go around, when every player outside of Chucky and Rittich are having significantly worse seasons this year compared to last.

Johnny Gaurdreau a -10 with only 5 goals. Not producing anything offensively right now. Has been awful.
Sean Monahan a -10 with only 5 goals. Invisible most games. Has been awful.
Giordano forgetting how to win a norris or play defense really at all. Has been awful.
Backlund not being able to score. Missed open nets multiple times and generally no finish at all. Has been awful.
Brodie with bonehead passes multiple times a game. Has been awful.
Bennett moving one step closer to being a complete bust.
Lucic being Lucic.
Frolik with 1G + 2 A in 22 games this season. Also posting up a -12.
Tobias Rieder with lots of speed and zero offense. 1G + 0A in 17 games this season. No wonder the Oilers dumped him.

And Mark Jankowski with 0G + 0A for 0 points in 21 games this season. Also posting a -10 currently. And hasn't been on the ice for a Flames goal yet this season. WTF man, do something!

There's your summary.

370Z
11-20-2019, 04:47 PM
The scariest stat is that they haven't scored an even strength goal in something like 250 minutes.

beyond_ban
11-20-2019, 04:53 PM
Did you mean hadn't? Both last night were even strength.

Maxx Mazda
11-21-2019, 09:30 PM
This team continues to shock and awe us :rofl:

ThePenIsMightier
11-21-2019, 10:13 PM
Needs more Babcock.

asp integra
11-22-2019, 02:05 PM
Needs more Babcock.

Peters is a babcock-esq coach. I honestly think the message he would send would not work.
What we really need is a shake up in players. Bring up a few of the fast playmakers from he farm like Gawdin and Phillips. We don't need rinaldo/reider/jankowski/lucic etc. What we need is speed and skill right now, we need a team using their speed. The flames look so slow this year.

370Z
11-22-2019, 02:56 PM
Yup, 100% agree.... we need some young, fast, and SOBER players.

Buster
11-22-2019, 02:57 PM
Yup, 100% agree.... we need some young, fast, and SOBER players.

Ya, I think the Hudler candy is starting to catch up to some of our top players.

Maxx Mazda
11-22-2019, 03:15 PM
Yup, 100% agree.... we need some young, fast, and SOBER players.

I hear these rumors a lot, is there anything to substantiate them?

370Z
11-22-2019, 03:38 PM
I hear these rumors a lot, is there anything to substantiate them?

Yes, their play. Lol

88CRX
11-22-2019, 03:51 PM
I heard about a month ago from a friend of a friend who's in the media department of the Flames that there is a huge locker room divide between the older guys (ie: Gio, Hamonic & Backlund) with the younger star players about their level of commitment. They had it out with each other and it wasn't good.

beyond_ban
11-22-2019, 05:08 PM
Sure, it is all word of mouth, but there are enough people that have witnessed guys like Johnny skiing his way through downtown that there is definitely truth to it.

An interesting tidbit about Taylor Hall, since i have seen his name mentioned in potential trade talks with the Flames. One of the big reasons he got shipped out of Edmonton was because he had a big opioid problem. After he lost his dad, he grew very depressed and he relied on opioids to numb the pain. It got so bad, the Oilers ended up putting him on IR although he was perfectly healthy. He was spotted a few times at bars drinking alone during home games, which is when the whole issue became more than what the Oilers wanted to deal with.

ExtraSlow
11-22-2019, 05:13 PM
Since when does coke slow someone down? Fuck I'd say the problem with the flames is not enough cocaine.

Buster
11-22-2019, 06:23 PM
Since when does coke slow someone down? Fuck I'd say the problem with the flames is not enough cocaine.

"Listen boys....lay off the coke until game time."

ThePenIsMightier
11-22-2019, 07:33 PM
Sure, it is all word of mouth, but there are enough people that have witnessed guys like Johnny skiing his way through downtown that there is definitely truth to it.

An interesting tidbit about Taylor Hall, since i have seen his name mentioned in potential trade talks with the Flames. One of the big reasons he got shipped out of Edmonton was because he had a big opioid problem. After he lost his dad, he grew very depressed and he relied on opioids to numb the pain. It got so bad, the Oilers ended up putting him on IR although he was perfectly healthy. He was spotted a few times at bars drinking alone during home games, which is when the whole issue became more than what the Oilers wanted to deal with.

I believe he has more of a Telly from Kids syndrome and it was (or still is) just a matter of time before that explodes.

88336

Edmonton already got Prong'd by loose wieners in the past...

unkicrackie99
11-23-2019, 11:16 AM
Since when does coke slow someone down? Fuck I'd say the problem with the flames is not enough cocaine.

Definitely need to see more nose beers from our guys.

Maxx Mazda
11-23-2019, 12:39 PM
Since when does coke slow someone down? Fuck I'd say the problem with the flames is not enough cocaine.

I mean, you’re not wrong...

roopi
11-26-2019, 10:18 AM
So.... Peters gets fired? I don't see him lasting through these Akim Aliu allegations.

Buster
11-26-2019, 10:28 AM
We don't know what happened.

roopi
11-26-2019, 10:31 AM
We don't know what happened.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flames-respond-allegations-made-bill-peters-former-player/



The NHL says it will join the Flames in looking into recent allegations about a racial slur from Calgary head coach Bill Peters.

Former NHL defenceman Akim Aliu tweeted on Monday night that he had a racial slur directed his way by a former coach in 2009-10 while a member of the American Hockey League’s Rockford IceHogs.

The NHL says it will join the Flames in looking into recent allegations about a racial slur from Calgary head coach Bill Peters.

Former NHL defenceman Akim Aliu tweeted on Monday night that he had a racial slur directed his way by a former coach in 2009-10 while a member of the American Hockey League’s Rockford IceHogs.



The 30-year-old Aliu never referred to Peters by name, but did reference Calgary’s airport code "YYC" when writing about the alleged coach involved in the matter.


Eric Francis
@EricFrancis
Having touched base with Flames GM Brad Treliving and Akim Aliu this morning I can report the two had a conversation regarding the latter’s racism allegation leveled at coach Bill Peters. You can bet the Flames investigation into this will be thorough.

"The behaviour that has been alleged is repugnant and unacceptable," the NHL says in a statement. "We will have no further comment until we have had an opportunity to look into the matter more thoroughly."

Flames general manager Brad Treliving addressed the media Monday when he was made aware of the tweet, and said he plans to speak with Peters before making any further comment on the matter.

The accusation came while Calgary was on the ice in Pittsburgh facing the Penguins. Peters was not available for comment post-game.

The Flames were scheduled to practice in Buffalo on Tuesday ahead of a game against the Sabres on Wednesday.

"I haven’t had a chance to sit down with Bill or our people internally to talk about this and get to the bottom of it," Treliving told reporters. "I would say we take this matter very very seriously and until such time we have a chance to speak internally we wanted to address you people that we’re aware of it."

Aliu’s allegation comes on the heels of reported controversial tactics used on rookies by Mike Babcock, who was fired by the Toronto Maple Leafs on Nov. 20.

Peters served as one of Babcock’s assistant’s for two seasons in the late ’90’s with the Western Hockey League’s Spokane Chiefs.

Peters would take on the head coaching position with Rockford for the 2008-09 season, spending three seasons with the IceHogs before rejoining Babcock as an assistant with the Detroit Red Wings in 2011.

Aliu, who was born in Nigeria before moving to Canada, tweeted: "Not very surprising the things we’re hearing about Babcock. Apple doesn’t fall far from the Tree, same sort of deal with his protege in YYC. Dropped the N bomb several times towards me in the dressing room in my rookie year because he didn’t like my choice of music."

Aliu, who played 14 games for the ECHL’s Orlando Solar Bears in 2018-19, played 48 games under Peters with the American Hockey League’s Rockford IceHogs in 2009-10, and 13 more with the ECHL’s Toledo Walleye.

The IceHogs are the AHL affiliate of the Chicago Blackhawks, who drafted Aliu 56th overall in 2007 out of the Ontario Hockey League.

At the time of the alleged incident, John McDonough was president of the Blackhawks while Stan Bowman was general manager.

Aliu added: "First one to …admit I rebelled against him. Wouldn’t you? And instead of remedying the situation, he wrote a letter to John McDonough and Stan Bowman to have me sent down to the ECHL. 20 year old on pace for 20 goals in his first pro year with zero PP/PK time was off to a great start in his …Pro career."

Aliu has played seven career games in the NHL, all with the Flames between 2011 and 2013.

pheoxs
11-26-2019, 10:34 AM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flames-respond-allegations-made-bill-peters-former-player/

Like, they should look into it because no one deserves things like that said. But why bring this up now? A decade later.

88CRX
11-26-2019, 10:39 AM
I'd bet that Peters is no longer the Flames coach by the end of the day.

Whether or not you agree on being punished for something you said 11 years ago he's gonna pay the price.

Disoblige
11-26-2019, 10:41 AM
Like, they should look into it because no one deserves things like that said. But why bring this up now? A decade later.
I don't think it's that weird to bring it up a decade later. It's normalized now that this isn't right without much external negative effects. Back then, bringing it up may have fucked your career for good.

pheoxs
11-26-2019, 10:43 AM
I don't think it's that weird to bring it up a decade later. It's normalized now that this isn't right without much external negative effects. Back then, bringing it up may have fucked your career for good.

I guess that's true

roopi
11-26-2019, 10:45 AM
Like, they should look into it because no one deserves things like that said. But why bring this up now? A decade later.

Not sure why but I see no problem bringing it up now once he feels more comfortable with it. He was probably around 20 at the time and could have been unsure how to handle this. Now with the Marner/Babcock issues in the news maybe he feels comfortable sharing it. I don't know just a thought.

Either way kids/women/everyone hold on to things for years or a lifetime before ever sharing it. If it happened yesterday or ten years ago it's the same to me.

pheoxs
11-26-2019, 10:57 AM
Not sure why but I see no problem bringing it up now once he feels more comfortable with it. He was probably around 20 at the time and could have been unsure how to handle this. Now with the Marner/Babcock issues in the news maybe he feels comfortable sharing it. I don't know just a thought.

Either way kids/women/everyone hold on to things for years or a lifetime before ever sharing it. If it happened yesterday or ten years ago it's the same to me.

That's very true. In hindsight I take back what I said and I do see why it takes courage to finally speak out.

Ca_Silvia13
11-26-2019, 11:16 AM
Apologize and move on. Unless management is looking for a reason to get ride of him. But i feel the Flames performance this year is player based and cannot be solely put on Peters

ExtraSlow
11-26-2019, 11:16 AM
Hockey is such a white sport, I'm not surprised that he didn't feel comfortable making this public while he still had a pro career to protect. I have no doubt that racism exists in the game, just like it does in my social circle, and speaking up about it will only help.

I hate to hear about anyone treating anyone with unearned disrespect. It's especially painful when it's someone you've been cheering for. Although, just last week people were talking about how Peters was going to lose his job anyway, so from a team perspective, maybe this is best case timing?

D'z Nutz
11-26-2019, 11:18 AM
We don't know what happened.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flames-respond-allegations-made-bill-peters-former-player/

Yes, but we still don't know what happened. Up until now, we've only heard one side of the story and this hasn't been the first time Aliu has pulled the race card. I'm not saying I believe one side over the other, but we need to hear as much of the story as we can before drawing conclusions.

roopi
11-26-2019, 11:32 AM
Yes, but we still don't know what happened. Up until now, we've only heard one side of the story and this hasn't been the first time Aliu has pulled the race card. I'm not saying I believe one side over the other, but we need to hear as much of the story as we can before drawing conclusions.

Two of Aliu’s Rockford teammates who were in the room at the time of the alleged incident, Simon Pepin and Peter MacArthur, independently corroborated Aliu’s account to TSN on Tuesday.

https://www.tsn.ca/akim-aliu-speaks-publicly-on-allegations-against-calgary-flames-head-coach-bill-peters-1.1403974



Former NHL player Akim Aliu said on Monday that current Calgary Flames coach Bill Peters repeatedly hurled racial epithets in his presence in a minor league locker room a decade ago.

Speaking publicly for the first time since he made the allegation on Twitter, the Nigerian-born Aliu said Peters made the remarks in the AHL’s Rockford Ice Hogs dressing room before a morning skate during the 2009-10 season while the 20-year-old Aliu controlled the team’s music.

“He walked in before a morning pre-game skate and said ‘Hey Akim, I’m sick of you playing that n----- s---,’ ” Aliu told TSN, with Peters, who was then the Ice Hogs head coach, referring to Aliu’s selection of hip-hop music. “He said ‘I’m sick of hearing this n-----s f------ other n-----s in the ass stuff.’

“He then walked out like nothing ever happened. You could hear a pin drop in the room, everything went dead silent. I just sat down in my stall, didn’t say a word.”

Two of Aliu’s Rockford teammates who were in the room at the time of the alleged incident, Simon Pepin and Peter MacArthur, independently corroborated Aliu’s account to TSN on Tuesday.

"I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions or words spoken," Pepin said.

Aliu said Rockford team captain Jake Dowell later confronted Peters about the incident in the coach’s office. Dowell could not immediately be reached for comment.

When Peters then called Aliu into his office to talk about it, Aliu said Peters did not apologize. Instead, Peters again expressed his displeasure in Aliu’s choice of music for the dressing room, with Aliu saying Peters said: “You know, I’m just sick of this n----- s---. It’s every day. From now on, we need to play different music.”

D'z Nutz
11-26-2019, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I just read that right now. Damn, not looking good for Peters.

Ca_Silvia13
11-26-2019, 11:42 AM
So it was in reference to hip hop music and not a direct attack on Aliu's character. Who cares then....

roopi
11-26-2019, 11:46 AM
So it was in reference to hip hop music and not a direct attack on Aliu's character. Who cares then....

Is there a reason you called it hip hop music instead of referring to it as Peters did?

lilmira
11-26-2019, 11:52 AM
I don't play music on speakers at work and if I do I probably wouldn't choose anything with a lot of profanity or sexual content. Is that all about music though? That would be lame.

Ca_Silvia13
11-26-2019, 11:54 AM
Is there a reason you called it hip hop music instead of referring to it as Peters did?

Because to me it was always hip hop. I'm not 70 years old.

Literally every old man over 50 calls it n***a noise. That's old news man. It's not worth getting all worked up over. Now if it was a clear attack on Aliu's person. IE "Shut up you stupid N-BOMB". Well that's different.