New car: Tesla Model 3 w/ Autpilot + FSD vs ????

[Super_Geo]

I've documented the demise of my MY18 Macan GTS on pretty thoroughly, but suffice it to say that the insurance company is writing it off (and thankfully I had replacement insurance) so it's time for a new car!

I had a week and a half in two separate 991.2 C2 rentals, and while they are amazing to drive on an open road or on a windy freeway at 1am with no other cars out there, most of the time it'll be in gridlocked traffic and congested freeways in SF and the bay area.

Cue the... Tesla Model 3??

Autopilot + Full Self Driving (FSD) would be great for the freeways, and whenever they release actual FSD it'll work in the city as well. There's free charging in the condo building I'm in. Plus, it's SF so there are a ton of superchargers and 3rd party charging stations around, and EVs get access to the carpool lanes even when there's only 1 occupant.

Apparently the FSD option will go up by $1000 USD tomorrow, so if I'm going w/ the TM3 I'll get an order in today.

Base MSRP 54,990
Midnight Silver 1,300
FSD 7,900
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Total: 64,190
w/ tax: 67,399
Federal Incentive -5,000
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Final: 62,399 + delivery and misc fees

I'm mostly in it for the autopilot, and not the gas savings/etc... which makes it seem like there aren't that many other options to compare this car to. What are your guys' thoughts?

[you&me]

I was hoping for the "I just bought a 991" thread, but...

My first thought - and not having been through this - is that, aren't you leaving a lot of money on the table with the replacement insurance payout on the Macan, versus the Model 3?

[rx7boi]

Pretty sure he gets a cheque from the insurance company for the market value of his vehicle; no money's being left on the table and he's free to buy another Macan with that money if he wants.

Only difference is his perception of quality between the Macan and whichever car he ends up going with but it sounds like he's happy with what the TM3 offers!

[rage2]

It’s a great California car. Mild environment means you don’t worry about the paint too much. Autopilot is designed for Cali roads. I’d wait to buy FSD. Let the price go up, knowing Tesla it’ll get discounted at some point. Self parking is a nice to have, but not $7900 nice. Summon is retarded in most parking lots, NoA just does lane changes for the sake of it, often leaving you further behind traffic especially if you know your daily routine. You’ll probably be upgrading to another Tesla before any meaningful features come out for FSD. There’s no comparison when it comes to driving enjoyment bang for the buck than a Model 3 Performance in the US.

If you do get one, first thing first is to take it to an alignment shop and zero toe all 4 corners. Your tires and range will thank you. Alignments come off the factory floor all over the map.

[Buster]

it’s a great california car. Mild environment means you don’t worry about the paint too much. Autopilot is designed for cali roads. I’d wait to buy fsd. Let the price go up, knowing tesla it’ll get discounted at some point. Self parking is a nice to have, but not $7900 nice. Summon is retarded in most parking lots, noa just does lane changes for the sake of it, often leaving you further behind traffic especially if you know your daily routine. You’ll probably be upgrading to another tesla before any meaningful features come out for fsd. There’s no comparison when it comes to driving enjoyment bang for the buck than a model 3 performance in the us.

If you do get one, first thing first is to take it to an alignment shop and zero toe all 4 corners. Your tires and range will thank you. Alignments come off the tentfloor all over the map.

ftfy

[Super_Geo]

It’s a great California car. Mild environment means you don’t worry about the paint too much. Autopilot is designed for Cali roads. I’d wait to buy FSD. Let the price go up, knowing Tesla it’ll get discounted at some point. Self parking is a nice to have, but not $7900 nice. Summon is retarded in most parking lots, NoA just does lane changes for the sake of it, often leaving you further behind traffic especially if you know your daily routine. You’ll probably be upgrading to another Tesla before any meaningful features come out for FSD. There’s no comparison when it comes to driving enjoyment bang for the buck than a Model 3 Performance in the US.

If you do get one, first thing first is to take it to an alignment shop and zero toe all 4 corners. Your tires and range will thank you. Alignments come off the factory floor all over the map.

Alright damn... rage you just saved me $8k, drinks on me next time you're in SF :angel:

[rage2]

Good luck on the delivery quality dice roll!

[jacky4566]

What Federal Incentive are you taking about?
AFAIK the 5k rebate only apply to vehicles less than 45k. So that only includes the Tesla 3 Standard Range and Standard Range Plus

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/road/innovative-technologies/list-eligible-vehicles-under-izev-program.html

[ExtraSlow]

what federal incentive are you taking about?
Afaik the 5k rebate only apply to vehicles less than 45k. So that only includes the tesla 3 standard range and standard range plus

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/road/innovative-technologies/list-eligible-vehicles-under-izev-program.html

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[The_Rural_Juror]

What Federal Incentive are you taking about?
AFAIK the 5k rebate only apply to vehicles less than 45k. So that only includes the Tesla 3 Standard Range and Standard Range Plus

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/road/innovative-technologies/list-eligible-vehicles-under-izev-program.html

OP went to Cali to tie the knot with /u/Zephyr

[LLLimit]

It’s a great California car. Mild environment means you don’t worry about the paint too much. Autopilot is designed for Cali roads. I’d wait to buy FSD. Let the price go up, knowing Tesla it’ll get discounted at some point. Self parking is a nice to have, but not $7900 nice. Summon is retarded in most parking lots, NoA just does lane changes for the sake of it, often leaving you further behind traffic especially if you know your daily routine. You’ll probably be upgrading to another Tesla before any meaningful features come out for FSD. There’s no comparison when it comes to driving enjoyment bang for the buck than a Model 3 Performance in the US.

If you do get one, first thing first is to take it to an alignment shop and zero toe all 4 corners. Your tires and range will thank you. Alignments come off the factory floor all over the map.



I can go along with this.

Source: SR+ owner since May 2019, with almost 10,000km.
-Online order several days after fed inventive included the SR+. Ordered, manufactured & delivered in May 2019
-Quality was fine. No panel gap nor paint problems. Have a scuff under the clear coat at driver side rocker panel, can't see it unless you look for it.
-I didn't do realignment
-No FOMO for FSD. I consider this vaporware is worth maybe $2000 to me, and that's a stretch.
-AP is fairly nice in deerfoot rush hour & Edmonton/Calgary trips. Some phantom braking and trepidation in rushhour.

[Super_Geo]

I bought it last night w/ FSD, given that it can be taken off prior to delivery (and the entire order is refundable, apparently), why not take advantage of the free option they're giving out and see how the price hike and V10 of the software comes out :angel:
LLLimit, how does the $5k Fed incentive work? Does Tesla knock it off the delivery price, or do you have to claw it back from the fed govt?

Current build (no VIN assigned yet):
Base MSRP 54,990
Midnight Silver 1,300
FSD 7,900
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Total: 64,190
Tax: 3,210
Federal Incentive -5,000
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Final: 62,400


Other option is to strip it down to the cheapest possible build... Pearl White Multicoat was a $2k option before and now is free?! Also, still not sure if I need FSD. In which case:
Final: 52,740... saves $9,660 :eek:

[The_Rural_Juror]

No AWD? :D.

I would rather swap FSD for AWD to fit your budget.

https://insideevs.com/news/365161/awd-tesla-model-3-4x4-test-rollers/

White is nice. Hides the swirls.

[LLLimit]

Tesla took care the incentive - I didn't have to deal with anyone else other than Tesla.
In the Total Credits of the Final Price Sheet, iZEV $5000 is listed there right under your $3200 deposit.

My Build:
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Model 3: $49,999, I think the tactic is to create a fictitious base trim to fit into iZEV progam
SR+ option: $8701
Midnight silver: $1300. If I were buying now, I'd save the money and get free pearl white.
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Subtotal $55,000
Delivery/inspection: $1280
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Total: $56280 + Taxes


I'd be ticked my midnight silver is magically free, it looks like the LED Foglights is now excluded from the partial premium interior!
Bring your own license plate. The Fairmount location took care of the registry transfer & cost.

The AWD & Long range model doesn't get the iZEV incentive, which is suspicious because they could have itemized it by: $49,999 Base + AWD/LR option.

I showed up 45mins early to finalize the bank draft amount, and ran to TD for it.
My delivery day was packed with other ...deliveries. I waited in the showroom and it was gradually pushed back for 1.5hours. Then I waited 15 minutes for my car to get put into the bay and wiped down.

[Super_Geo]

No AWD? :D.

I would rather swap FSD for AWD to fit your budget.

https://insideevs.com/news/365161/awd-tesla-model-3-4x4-test-rollers/

White is nice. Hides the swirls.

I was originally planning on getting the AWD but then my cheap ass couldn't stomach leaving the $5k EV incentive on the table :rofl: I guess it's not so much about the money as getting a good deal

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Tesla took care the incentive - I didn't have to deal with anyone else other than Tesla.
In the Total Credits of the Final Price Sheet, iZEV $5000 is listed there right under your $3200 deposit.

My Build:
-------------------------------
Model 3: $49,999, I think the tactic is to create a fictitious base trim to fit into iZEV progam
SR+ option: $8701
Midnight silver: $1300. If I were buying now, I'd save the money and get free pearl white.
-------------------------------
Subtotal $55,000
Delivery/inspection: $1280
-------------------------------
Total: $56280 + Taxes


I'd be ticked my midnight silver is magically free, it looks like the LED Foglights is now excluded from the partial premium interior!
Bring your own license plate. The Fairmount location took care of the registry transfer & cost.

The AWD & Long range model doesn't get the iZEV incentive, which is suspicious because they could have itemized it by: $49,999 Base + AWD/LR option.

I showed up 45mins early to finalize the bank draft amount, and ran to TD for it.
My delivery day was packed with other ...deliveries. I waited in the showroom and it was gradually pushed back for 1.5hours. Then I waited 15 minutes for my car to get put into the bay and wiped down.

Nice, thanks for the info!
I think I might strip out FSD from the build then... the more I look into it the more normal AP seems like it'll be good enough. Doesn't look like the price has changed at all today, I figured Tesla would've released some new must have feature and hike the price up $1-2k, in which case ticking the box and having the option to take it at the old price or cancel it seemed like a no brainer.

[LLLimit]

:rofl: that was my mindset with the incentive, couldn't leave it behind to move up to AWD/LR.

You'll definitely appreciate AP. I find myself turning it off to zip between lanes because it's a bit pedestrian sometimes; just scoots along in its own lane and maintains status quo.
My account is still offering me $7900 to buy FSD, so :dunno:

[jacky4566]

No AWD? :D.

I would rather swap FSD for AWD to fit your budget.

https://insideevs.com/news/365161/awd-tesla-model-3-4x4-test-rollers/

White is nice. Hides the swirls.

Oh man what a cool comparison video. Reminds me of this super fail video from Honda...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkiv-bWbLIo

I think electrics are going to take over the rock crawling and 4x4 world. Super torque capabilities and torque vectoring out of the box. But sadly they won't because "MERH ENGINE NOISE"

[The_Rural_Juror]

My delivery day was packed with other ...deliveries.

Giggity Alll Righttt...

[rage2]

Wait you’re buying this in Canada? Model 3 Performance or go home. Thought your price was USD for the performance.

As for LLLimit, let us know how your paint holds up after your first winter.

[KPHMPH]

Just make sure to “find” the extra $3500 to wrap the whole car...

[killramos]

Wait you’re buying this in Canada? Model 3 Performance or go home. Thought your price was USD for the performance.

As for LLLimit, let us know how your paint holds up after your first winter.

:werd: otherwise this seems like a massive step down in every way from the Macan.

[Jlude]

Good choice, but just go for it. I bought an S and didn't get ludicrous mode and regret it. It's still quick, but not that quick. On the other hand, Tesla will drop the price on you, get over it.



It’s a great California car. Mild environment means you don’t worry about the paint too much. Autopilot is designed for Cali roads. I’d wait to buy FSD. Let the price go up, knowing Tesla it’ll get discounted at some point. Self parking is a nice to have, but not $7900 nice. Summon is retarded in most parking lots, NoA just does lane changes for the sake of it, often leaving you further behind traffic especially if you know your daily routine. You’ll probably be upgrading to another Tesla before any meaningful features come out for FSD. There’s no comparison when it comes to driving enjoyment bang for the buck than a Model 3 Performance in the US.

If you do get one, first thing first is to take it to an alignment shop and zero toe all 4 corners. Your tires and range will thank you. Alignments come off the factory floor all over the map.

This is true. Thinking about bringing mine down to GA because it's great for these roads.

[rage2]

Apparently the FSD option will go up by $1000 USD tomorrow, so if I'm going w/ the TM3 I'll get an order in today.
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