California imposed power outages.

[ZenOps]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-power-outage-frustrations-pge-office-vandalized-truck-shot

There is a higher probability of power line damage and unintentional wildfires simply due to the strength and direction the wind is blowing. So they have shut off the power to half a million Californians as "precautionary".

Nelson laugh *haha*

[ExtraSlow]

I hate to make a serious reply to your threads, but this is one place where distributed generation really helps reliability. Like say, house and business solar panels. Reducing the volume and distance of electricity distribution is good for everyone.

[ZenOps]

https://poweroutage.us/area/state/california

Winds continuing, more areas being shut down.

[rage2]

I hate to make a serious reply to your threads, but this is one place where distributed generation really helps reliability. Like say, house and business solar panels. Reducing the volume and distance of electricity distribution is good for everyone.
That’s already there, and they’re all forced to shut down their systems as it backfeeds onto the grid which still causes problems on old lines lol. The problem is PGE having no money to maintain their lines. The shutdowns is so they can inspect and re-energize.

My coworker got fucked. No cell service where they live, rely on WiFi which is dead. Can’t buy a corded phone, all sold out. Drives an electric car. Power is expected to be out for 5 days. Completely in the dark.

[JRSC00LUDE]

My coworker got fucked. No cell service where they live, rely on WiFi which is dead. Can’t buy a corded phone, all sold out. Drives an electric car. Power is expected to be out for 5 days. Completely in the dark.

Well that's what you get for falling for the electric car hubbub. What could possibly go wrong!

[revelations]

The way I understand it is that the Californians went all socialist, decided to freeze electrical rates and then are shocked (haha) when the company cannot afford to maintain its lines?

[ZenOps]

Or you could say the power lines went all capitalist, where its better to shut it all down than risk dollar litigation from businesses looking to make a quick buck on lawsuits.

Pay for a freezer worth of ice cream, or pay for the whole building burning down. The dollar cost choice is obvious. Besides this is the USA we are talking about, you are not automatically given water either, you must pay for water rights. If you do not have a water provision, you do not get water, you do not get to sue anyone for not getting water.

[rage2]

Both of the above statements are correct. This is more of a land management issue, BC has the same problems, except they don't have the sprawl that'll end up affecting so many people. Many of these power lines didn't have trees surrounding them when they were first built.

[The Cosworth]

Both of the above statements are correct. This is more of a land management issue, BC has the same problems, except they don't have the sprawl that'll end up affecting so many people. Many of these power lines didn't have trees surrounding them when they were first built.

This is correct. People don't want to pay for the real costs of maintaining power and no one wants the width of brushing that makes lines safe. Our mainlines need 12m of brushing realistically. The environmental requirements to fix lines (hydrovac dump fees, old poles with creosote, yada yada). We get new acreage owners who call in and complain about a blip, not even a power outage. Not saying they're wrong at all. The issue is that the expectation that power is always available is ever increasing and the regulation and costs to do it aren't keeping up.

PG&E has other issues though that we don't need to re-hash here as more in the know people have posted all over the interwebz

[Buster]

I hate to make a serious reply to your threads, but this is one place where distributed generation really helps reliability. Like say, house and business solar panels. Reducing the volume and distance of electricity distribution is good for everyone.

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/california-hit-dual-shock-la-gas-prices-spike-above-5-residents-learn-solar-panels-dont


California Hit By Dual Shock: LA Gas Prices Spike Above $5 As Residents Learn Solar Panels Don't Work In Blackouts

Can't beat a jerry can full of diesel for energy security.

California is a weird place. It's full of very bright people who are also retarded. It's full of people who can code like mothafuckas, but don't know a thing about economics.

[The Cosworth]

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/california-hit-dual-shock-la-gas-prices-spike-above-5-residents-learn-solar-panels-dont



Can't beat a jerry can full of diesel for energy security.

California is a weird place. It's full of very bright people who are also retarded. It's full of people who can code like mothafuckas, but don't know a thing about economics.

Yeah there are two types of DER (distributed energy resources) when it comes to that. A lot of them need an active power source to work which a lot of people don't realize. A power wall or battery backup is considered a second source but that means you need to be able to maintain charge in the wall / battery otherwise you'll just eventually go dark anyways.

[rage2]

Yeah there are two types of DER (distributed energy resources) when it comes to that. A lot of them need an active power source to work which a lot of people don't realize. A power wall or battery backup is considered a second source but that means you need to be able to maintain charge in the wall / battery otherwise you'll just eventually go dark anyways.
Lots of power walls in Cali (relatively speaking) but they're not allowed to be energized if it connects back to the grid, unless it was installed with a breaker that can fully disconnect it. Nobody installed it that way because it's really only needed in a public safety shutdown scenario we see here.

Some people are doing it anyways, and they'll be liable for fires if one starts.

[The Cosworth]

Lots of power walls in Cali (relatively speaking) but they're not allowed to be energized if it connects back to the grid, unless it was installed with a breaker that can fully disconnect it. Nobody installed it that way because it's really only needed in a public safety shutdown scenario we see here.

Some people are doing it anyways, and they'll be liable for fires if one starts.

Yeah that is true as well. I don't deal with the small resi stuff but I thought transfer/trips were mandatory here. It's pretty crazy when someone runs their generator here on an outage and they power up the line.