I am confused whether the 2020 Honda Civic SI Type R is 2 door or 4 door?

[happy hopping]

https://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/honda-shows-off-custom-civic-type-r/

https://baiowulf.com/2020-honda-civic-si-type-r/94-the-2020-honda-civic-si-type-r-redesign-and-concept/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T30ITwiXyHc

https://hondachanges.co/2020-honda-civic-type-r-interior-spec-changes/2020-honda-civic-type-r/

I just want to see a 2 door at 300 HP. There is the 1st link that shows a 2 door. And the youtube shows a 300 HP Civic SI

but the other youtube video shows the upcoming 2020 model is 4 door.

are they making both?

[Mitsu3000gt]

Personally I'd just like to see an Si with more than a pathetic ~10% increase in HP over a generic Civic. It would also be nice if it came in a Hatch but that will never happen since the Si is a North America only vehicle.

I haven't read or seen anything that would suggest a 2-door Type R is coming in current Hatch form. 2020 isn't a redesign year either (that will be 2022-2023) so it's even less likely it will be significantly different than the current model.

If you want 2 doors and 300HP you can flash the Si coupe to roughly 260 HP / 300 TQ at the crank which is close but not quite there.

[Swank]

There's been no mention of a 2 door Type R on the civic forums, the pics you have seen are concepts only. That YouTube video is rubbish, the Si has 205 HP and the Type R has 306 HP.

[revelations]

No, we get screwed in NA comparered to literally the rest of the world when it comes to cars and selection.

SUV and trucks only! Next the Civic will become a North American-only crossover!! LOL

[Xtrema]

Current Type-R will stay as 4 door hatch until 2021 when they close Swindon in UK.

Afterward, hatch production will be relocated to US. No idea about the fate of Type-R tho.

My bet is to accommodate hatch to be build in US, coupe will probably end after this generation. There is no way there will be a Type-R coupe. Especially rumor is that next Type-R if they build it will be a hybrid.

[C4S]

The Type R now (4 door hatch) looks great, sexier and cooler looking than the Coupe.

So, just get the Type R sedan now!

The Type R always comes late, unlike other civic, come in Nov with new model year, I think the 2018 Type R arrived in spring 2018, and 2019 model also arrived in spring 2019, so we probably won't see 2020 Type R for half year. (I read that Honda may offer a tiny spoiler as well)

[happy hopping]

in UK, there is an older Type R that is 2 door

[revelations]

in UK, there is an older Type R that is 2 door

No shit - its called the CTR, or the EP3 for us hosers.

Something we will never again have in N/A - a 3 door Honda, hot hatch.

[happy hopping]

flash the Si coupe to roughly 260 HP

how do you do the above? does it damage the car in some way?


for eg., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmMRTJqo7U

Kraftwerks seems to be very good, but have a look, in 2 reviews, the same component fails:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmMRTJqo7U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12G_GQhF34s&t=386s

I like the higher 300 HP for performance, but 200HP is quite good in most cases. So since Kraftwerks seems to be the leader and it fails like that, there is no sense to risk it

I can buy 300HP car elsewhere, just not as reliable as Honda. Since Type R won't have 2 door, I'll stick to SI

[Swank]

KTuner seems to be the most popular choice, add on the TSP Stage 1 tune and you have a decent boost in performance:

182whp / 206tq - Factory Calibration
208whp / 258tq - KTuner Starter 23psi
237whp / 281tq - TSP Stage 1 Tune

Hondata is pretty popular too. The stock clutch will wear out fast if you're running these numbers and are using boost in overdrive gears or low RPMs in general. Anything that breaks as a result of running a tune will not be covered under warranty.

[ragu]

When do we find out if its coming in yellow?

[jwslam]

which of y'all is gonna buy this

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/926561534355153/

[Xtrema]

When do we find out if its coming in yellow?

A Pheonix Yellow prototype has been spotted at the ring. No idea if it's going to be released in 2020 or if NA will get it.

[Swank]

which of y'all is gonna buy this

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/926561534355153/

Did you check out the video, lol?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJc_XXCVK4&feature=youtu.be

[Mitsu3000gt]

how do you do the above? does it damage the car in some way?


No, but you will void your power train warranty if the dealership can in any way link something that breaks to the flash. The cars are tuned ridiculously modestly from the factory including artificial turbo lag and rev hang which makes them so easy to drive. If you run +9psi the clutch will wear out faster, +6psi is a lot easier on it.

Hondata / Ktuner - quick flash and you're good to go.

[happy hopping]

KTuner seems to be the most popular choice, add on the TSP Stage 1 tune and you have a decent boost in performance:

182whp / 206tq - Factory Calibration
208whp / 258tq - KTuner Starter 23psi
237whp / 281tq - TSP Stage 1 Tune

Hondata is pretty popular too. The stock clutch will wear out fast if you're running these numbers and are using boost in overdrive gears or low RPMs in general. Anything that breaks as a result of running a tune will not be covered under warranty.


I can get some shop to do a Ktuner for me. I probably need to upgrade the clutch.

But what does a TSP stge 1 tune involves? Any drawback to it? I'm guessing it's from these people, but what do you have to buy?

https://twostepperformance.com/tsp-gear/

because I don't want to end up like that Kraftwerk supercharger w/ this kind of failure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmMRTJqo7U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12G_GQhF34s&t=386s

[ThePenIsMightier]

Which exhaust is The Best?

[Swank]

I can get some shop to do a Ktuner for me. I probably need to upgrade the clutch.

But what does a TSP stge 1 tune involves? Any drawback to it? I'm guessing it's from these people, but what do you have to buy?

https://twostepperformance.com/tsp-gear/

because I don't want to end up like that Kraftwerk supercharger w/ this kind of failure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmMRTJqo7U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12G_GQhF34s&t=386s

TSP stage 1 tune is just a more aggressive tune than the regular KTuner tune, you load it into your ECU using the KTuner. In fact if you buy the KTuner from TSP they include the TSP tune saving you $80 USD. Drawbacks are more wear on your stock parts if you drive too aggressively. There are many people who have gone 20,000 KM+ with the tune and have not experience clutch slipping, yet some do in less then 5,000 KM. Lots of info on the TSP site:

https://twostepperformance.com/ktuner-llc-ktunerflash-v1-2-tuning-package/
https://twostepperformance.com/ktuner-llc-ktunerflash-v2-0-tuning-package/

If you get a flex fuel kit you can go with TSP stage 2 and really get the Si moving (270whp / 327tq - TSP Stage 2 Tune w/ Flex Fuel)

https://twostepperformance.com/two-step-performance-tsp-stage-2-flex-fuel-tune-for-2017-2019-honda-civic-si/

I recommend you research more on the civicx.com forums, tons of info there for tuning mods and more.

[heavyD]

The Swindon plant was a disaster. I don't consider anything out of that plant a real Honda as the build quality is embarrassing for any brand let alone Honda. Next gen hatches and the Type R should be much improved. Even Mexicans can build better cars than the Brits.

[Mitsu3000gt]

The Swindon plant was a disaster. I don't consider anything out of that plant a real Honda as the build quality is embarrassing for any brand let alone Honda. Next gen hatches and the Type R should be much improved. Even Mexicans can build better cars than the Brits.

I'm not saying you're wrong but do you have any objective sources for that from people who are actually privy to the necessary info to make that claim? What quality issues have been arising specifically and how many vehicles did it effect? Are there any recalls or service advisories related to those issues? I have read about quality issues from their locally made cars in China but not Swindon.

The previous managing director of Honda UK (no current obligation to Honda) went out of his way to say "the quality in Swindon was close to the top of all of Honda’s plants." (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/%E2%80%9Cwrong-place-wrong-time%E2%80%9D-five-reasons-why-honda-shutting-swindon)

Personally speaking I have had zero issues and haven't noticed a single thing out of place, albeit that is a sample size of one. I have no rattles or creaks or anything else that I can detect after almost 4 years of DD. A body shop I went to actually complimented the paint job, and they know a heck a lot more about paint than I do. I asked 3 different Honda dealers (service dept) and while I am sure they're biased to varying degrees, they said they haven't seen any differences based on build origin.

Curious as to what your sources are for that as googling "honda quality issues swindon" doesn't give me much other than the odd unsubstantiated forum comment and dozens of people saying they have had no problems.

The one thing I noticed personally in 2017 when I leased mine, is that every single door on the coupes/sedans rattled a bit when you shut it - the hatches all had the solid "thud" I expected. I have not been able to see if that is still the case with the 2020's or not, and it also could be related to the design.

It doesn't really matter since they're closing it for other reasons anyway, but I am genuinely curious where this information is coming from as you really seem to hate Swindon, but I never read about it anywhere else.

[C4S]

I will take a Honda .. what is made in UK over made in USA or Mexico/Brazil all day long ... ;)

For ~ half year, my CTR has been so far so good, fit and finish is on par to MIJ / MIG ...:)

[happy hopping]

TSP stage 1 tune is just a more aggressive tune than the regular KTuner tune, you load it into your ECU using the KTuner. In fact if you buy the KTuner from TSP they include the TSP tune saving you $80 USD. Drawbacks are more wear on your stock parts if you drive too aggressively. There are many people who have gone 20,000 KM+ with the tune and have not experience clutch slipping, yet some do in less then 5,000 KM. Lots of info on the TSP site:

https://twostepperformance.com/ktuner-llc-ktunerflash-v1-2-tuning-package/
https://twostepperformance.com/ktuner-llc-ktunerflash-v2-0-tuning-package/

If you get a flex fuel kit you can go with TSP stage 2 and really get the Si moving (270whp / 327tq - TSP Stage 2 Tune w/ Flex Fuel)

https://twostepperformance.com/two-step-performance-tsp-stage-2-flex-fuel-tune-for-2017-2019-honda-civic-si/



I recommend you research more on the civicx.com forums, tons of info there for tuning mods and more.

thank you very much. As long as it's just software tuning, I'm happy

I read from Kraftwerk that recommends new improved clutch, and those youtube video likes the "Clutch Master FX300", so I'm happy do upgrade to that. I only have a 2010 Si, so the last link won't apply to me.

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does anyone know if there is any clutch just as good as Clutch Master FX300 but not that heavy when you step on it?

[98brg2d]

I'm not seeing a 2 door in that first link. I see a door line and a rear door handle. It is subtle as part of the rendering style, as is the front door handle (to a lesser extent), but it is there. If it was a 2 door, the front door would not be so short and the rear side glass would be much smaller.

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[happy hopping]

but on the 2nd link, (I can't see too clearly of the above photo of the 1st link), there is no car handle if it were a 4 door car. So w/o that car handle, it would be a 2 door car

The thing is, Honda is not making sense. A 200HP Si coupe is 2 door sport car. How can a 300HP car be 4 door? Have you heard Ferrari or Lambo or MacLaren makes a 4 door sports car?

[Disoblige]

but on the 2nd link, (I can't see too clearly of the above photo of the 1st link), there is no car handle if it were a 4 door car. So w/o that car handle, it would be a 2 door car

The thing is, Honda is not making sense. A 200HP Si coupe is 2 door sport car. How can a 300HP car be 4 door? Have you heard Ferrari or Lambo or MacLaren makes a 4 door sports car?
A Civic Si isn't a sports car.
How can a 300 hp car be 4 door? There are literally a 100+ cars that fall in this category.
Lambo made an SUV to appeal to the market.

[Mitsu3000gt]

A Civic Si isn't a sports car.
How can a 300 hp car be 4 door? There are literally a 100+ cars that fall in this category.
Lambo made an SUV to appeal to the market.

I don't disagree, but is there a defined threshold for 'sports car' somewhere? Mazda, for example, thinks the Miata is a sports car even though it's boring to drive and no faster than a family sedan. At what point does a car officially become a sports car?



How can a 300HP car be 4 door? Have you heard Ferrari or Lambo or MacLaren makes a 4 door sports car?

Haha what? Even the Toyota Camry is available with over 300 hp. Take a look at the German brands - it's harder to find a car under 300hp than it is over 300hp. Aside from exotics, the cars with the most HP that I can think of are all 4-door. Aston Martin, Porsche, Alfa Romero and Masarati all have 4-door models as well that aren't SUVs.

[A2VR6]

I'm not saying you're wrong but do you have any objective sources for that from people who are actually privy to the necessary info to make that claim? What quality issues have been arising specifically and how many vehicles did it effect? Are there any recalls or service advisories related to those issues? I have read about quality issues from their locally made cars in China but not Swindon.

The previous managing director of Honda UK (no current obligation to Honda) went out of his way to say "the quality in Swindon was close to the top of all of Honda’s plants." (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/%E2%80%9Cwrong-place-wrong-time%E2%80%9D-five-reasons-why-honda-shutting-swindon)

Personally speaking I have had zero issues and haven't noticed a single thing out of place, albeit that is a sample size of one. I have no rattles or creaks or anything else that I can detect after almost 4 years of DD. A body shop I went to actually complimented the paint job, and they know a heck a lot more about paint than I do. I asked 3 different Honda dealers (service dept) and while I am sure they're biased to varying degrees, they said they haven't seen any differences based on build origin.

Curious as to what your sources are for that as googling "honda quality issues swindon" doesn't give me much other than the odd unsubstantiated forum comment and dozens of people saying they have had no problems.

The one thing I noticed personally in 2017 when I leased mine, is that every single door on the coupes/sedans rattled a bit when you shut it - the hatches all had the solid "thud" I expected. I have not been able to see if that is still the case with the 2020's or not, and it also could be related to the design.

It doesn't really matter since they're closing it for other reasons anyway, but I am genuinely curious where this information is coming from as you really seem to hate Swindon, but I never read about it anywhere else.

In my experience, the panel gaps have been very uneven and excessively wide. Also things like the weatherstripping on the exterior rear doors starting to peel/pop out.

[Mitsu3000gt]

In my experience, the panel gaps have been very uneven and excessively wide. Also things like the weatherstripping on the exterior rear doors starting to peel/pop out.

Thanks - I will keep an eye out on my weather stripping.

Are you a Honda tech or did that just happen to your car?

[Disoblige]

I don't disagree, but is there a defined threshold for 'sports car' somewhere? Mazda, for example, thinks the Miata is a sports car even though it's boring to drive and no faster than a family sedan. At what point does a car officially become a sports car?
There is no "official" definition, but in the traditional sense, it is a 2 seater (with or without fixed roof), or 2+2 configuration and usually RWD (but AWD is more accepted these days as lots of sports car have AWD now).

A Civic is a sport compact.

[A2VR6]

Thanks - I will keep an eye out on my weather stripping.

Are you a Honda tech or did that just happen to your car?

My car + a few others I’m aware about locally