What to look for 5k AWD

[03ozwhip]

so I've posted my LS430 for sale as i don't really need a 3rd car right now, so I'm looking at options for replacement.

I want reliable and AWD around 5k, wagon if possible. I was looking at Subaru but I know they have head gasket issues.

I know the e90 328xi is pretty solid with the N52 if its been maintained, but these are the only 2 that I can really think of that actually look decent.

Any other options?

[jwslam]

XC70
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-volvo-xc70-2-5t/1499225170 (https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-volvo-xc70-2-5t/1499225170)

Matrix
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2009-toyota-matrix-xr-awd/1498295436

MB R-350
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-mercedes-benz-r-350/1491685579

Passat
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2003-volkswagen-passat-w8/m2684

Here's the filters I used
https://www.kijiji.ca/b-cars-trucks/calgary/awd/hatchback__wagon-new__used/k0c174l1700199a138a49?price-type=fixed&price=4000__5500&for-sale-by=ownr

[vengie]

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[ExtraSlow]

Love these discussions. Not sure I'd want a W-engined VW as a cheap beater, or a volvo of any kind. Probably the safest bet is the Matrix, but you better have an exciting personal life, because that car is thrill-free.
Subaru has problem, sure, maybe, but they are well understood and should be reasonably easy to mitigate or repair, I think.

[03ozwhip]

XC70
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-volvo-xc70-2-5t/1499225170 (https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-volvo-xc70-2-5t/1499225170)

Matrix
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2009-toyota-matrix-xr-awd/1498295436

MB R-350
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-mercedes-benz-r-350/1491685579

Passat
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2003-volkswagen-passat-w8/m2684

Here's the filters I used
https://www.kijiji.ca/b-cars-trucks/calgary/awd/hatchback__wagon-new__used/k0c174l1700199a138a49?price-type=fixed&price=4000__5500&for-sale-by=ownr

I just don't know if I can do a Matrix...lol same with the MB uggghhh, but they are kinda interesting.

The VWs/audis im scared of in that price range and don't know enough about them but I really like them.

[dj_rice]

Buy cheap Honda Civic, swap AWD system from something in. Turbo it. Enjoy ?

[03ozwhip]

Love these discussions. Not sure I'd want a W-engined VW as a cheap beater, or a volvo of any kind. Probably the safest bet is the Matrix, but you better have an exciting personal life, because that car is thrill-free.
Subaru has problem, sure, maybe, but they are well understood and should be reasonably easy to mitigate or repair, I think.

safe bet, yes, but mannnn I need a tad bit of fun and a feeling of a bit of masculinity haha

[ExtraSlow]

safe bet, yes, but mannnn I need a tad bit of fun and a feeling of a bit of masculinity haha
My testosterone is so high in my bloodstream that I can drive a Fit or an odyssey and still feel like cock of the walk, but I understand others may not have my advantages.

[03ozwhip]

My testosterone is so high in my bloodstream that I can drive a Fit or an odyssey and still feel like cock of the walk, but I understand others may not have my advantages.

I do not.

[vengie]

safe bet, yes, but mannnn I need a tad bit of fun and a feeling of a bit of masculinity haha

Lol and here I am looking to upgrade my DD fit to an AWD matrix for a little more fun factor...

Man where did I go wrong, I used to be fun.

[03ozwhip]

Lol and here I am looking to upgrade my DD fit to an AWD matrix for a little more fun factor...

Man where did I go wrong, I used to be fun.

We seem to have turned into ladies after we had kids lol

[vengie]

We seem to have turned into ladies after we had kids lol

At least you have the lightning!

[Ca_Silvia13]

Is RHD an option? A Stagea fits your criteria fairly well.

[03ozwhip]

At least you have the lightning!

Its my attempt at my balls dropping again lol

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Is RHD an option? A Stagea fits your criteria fairly well.

I'm considering it. As long as my wife doesn't have to drive the car, I'm open, but I'm not familiar with reliability.

[Pacman]

I would suspect there are Gen 4 Outbacks in that price range now which were supposed to have the head gasket issues solved. I've got 2 of them (both 2012) and once has 230km and the other has 125km without any signs of headgasket issues at all.

[bjstare]

If you're a gamblin man, that W8 passat would be awesome. Those things sound great with exhaust. Hate to know what maintenance would be like for problems that may crop up though.

I'd see if you can find a well maintained subaru. Older legacy GT would be awesome.

Lastly, if you're selling your lexus because you don't need 3 cars.... why are you replacing it? 3 cars (-) 1 car (+) 1 car = 3 cars still. What am I missing?

[03ozwhip]

If you're a gamblin man, that W8 passat would be awesome. Those things sound great with exhaust. Hate to know what maintenance would be like for problems that may crop up though.

I'd see if you can find a well maintained subaru. Older legacy GT would be awesome.

Lastly, if you're selling your lexus because you don't need 3 cars.... why are you replacing it? 3 cars (-) 1 car (+) 1 car = 3 cars still. What am I missing?

I'm not looking to replace it right away, just looking at my options. Who knows, I might have to depending on work, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there

[C4S]

May be some old RX330?

I was going to say old RAV4 as well, but not much price difference to a old RX330 ..

I bought an Old RX400 Hybrid couple year ago, over 300K km now, comfort and great on gas, (no big deal now, but when gas was $1.2 ..30% saving was good) original plan was making it winter beater ..

But at the end of the day, my wife and I drive it most the time! LOL the Mark Levinson system is amazing, and the DVD system can keep my kids quiet :P

[vengie]

May be some old RX330?

I was going to say old RAV4 as well, but not much price difference to a old RX330 ..

I bought an Old RX400 Hybrid couple year ago, over 300K km now, comfort and great on gas, (no big deal now, but when gas was $1.2 ..30% saving was good) original plan was making it winter beater ..

But at the end of the day, my wife and I drive it most the time! LOL the Mark Levinson system is amazing, and the DVD system can keep my kids quiet :P

Whats the maintenance like on the RX400? how is the hybrid system??

This is another car high on my list, but I know nothing about hybrid maintenance.

[ercchry]

Its my attempt at my balls dropping again lol

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I'm considering it. As long as my wife doesn't have to drive the car, I'm open, but I'm not familiar with reliability.

RB powered Nissan... not even once

[C4S]

Whats the maintenance like on the RX400? how is the hybrid system??

This is another car high on my list, but I know nothing about hybrid maintenance.

I have few hybrid, (Lexus and Acura) zero issue, my RX400 has over 300k km, the hybrid battery is still strong, if one day.. say another 5 or 10 year, the Hybrid battery need to replace, probably just dump the vehicle away … lol

Anyway, that is why I suggest RX330, for people who worry about the Hybrid system. Gas is cheap now!

I concern the timing belt more, timing belt for mine was replaced once, so probably in few year will need to replace again, but I have read many people drive their Lexus for over 200,000 mile, still on first timing belt ..

[benyl]

I just don't know if I can do a Matrix...lol same with the MB uggghhh, but they are kinda interesting.

The VWs/audis im scared of in that price range and don't know enough about them but I really like them.

I'll just leave this here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOyJhG9WzdE

[e31]

I've got a line on a Chrysler 300 AWD that should fall below your 5k criteria, if that interests you.

[Darell_n]

I'll just leave this here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOyJhG9WzdE

Sounds interesting, but performance like a clapped out pickup truck with a big v8.

[Sentry]

Yeah it sounds great but my god it crawls.

I think the answer here is obvious. You need a Lada Niva.

[03ozwhip]

That thing sounds good, but ya, it does seem to be a slow finisher. I don't think I want another v8 though, especially a VW lol

I think the subarus are really catching my eye, the jdm foresters and impreza wagons, but I have no idea what to look for when searching these cars out, I've never owned one.

[ercchry]

That thing sounds good, but ya, it does seem to be a slow finisher. I don't think I want another v8 though, especially a VW lol

I think the subarus are really catching my eye, the jdm foresters and impreza wagons, but I have no idea what to look for when searching these cars out, I've never owned one.

Oh god... I’d take the turbo RB in the Nissan over a turbo boxer

[03ozwhip]

Oh god... I’d take the turbo RB in the Nissan over a turbo boxer

Really? Why?

[ercchry]

Really? Why?

Omg... just no. Here, you’re an adult. Leave the RHD to the high school kids. These are fucking bullet proof and drive through 3ft of snow no problem. Pretty quick and bomb down the hwy as comfortably at high speed as the LS. They also sip fuel is driven by normal people (ex-gf use to manage 6L/100kms in stop and go city traffic with her’s)

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-bmw-330xi/1498626690?utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_ios&utm_medium=social&utm_source=ios_social

[Sentry]

My lesbaru was pretty damn fun in winter even without the turbo. Bit boring on dry pavement though.

[03ozwhip]

Omg... just no. Here, you’re an adult. Leave the RHD to the high school kids. These are fucking bullet proof and drive through 3ft of snow no problem. Pretty quick and bomb down the hwy as comfortably at high speed as the LS. They also sip fuel is driven by normal people (ex-gf use to manage 6L/100kms in stop and go city traffic with her’s)

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2006-bmw-330xi/1498626690?utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_ios&utm_medium=social&utm_source=ios_social

Lol I'm not exactly looking at JDMs but if the price is right and the car is right, its a winter car overall so I'm not too picky if its jdm or not.

As far as the 330xi that's my number one choice if I can find a good one. I'd really like a wagon though. I missed a really good one and I should have bought it even though I didn't need it lol

[ercchry]

You know what would get old real quick commuting into the city in a RHD? Passing on the hwy

[03ozwhip]

You know what would get old real quick commuting into the city in a RHD? Passing on the hwy

Lol I know I know. RHD isn't my first choice, but it opens up options.

[flipstah]

Buying a W8 is like lighting a $20 bill and enjoying it while you get tweaked in the nipples.

[ExtraSlow]

Buying a W8 is like lighting a $20 bill and enjoying it while you get tweaked in the nipples.

I'm in.

[bjstare]

Buying a W8 is like lighting a $20 bill and enjoying it while you get tweaked in the nipples.

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[03ozwhip]

Well the Lexus just sold. I'm itching for something else, but I know I don't need it lol

[03ozwhip]

Alright we're back to it lol what say you sayers about stuff. Looking at 5k-ish. I kinda want a wagon, but unsure of reliable audis(if those 2 go in a sentance together).

I would also go for a reliable awd SUV, but man, im going to want something reliable and fun. Fuck fast, I dont care.

[firebane]

Alright we're back to it lol what say you sayers about stuff. Looking at 5k-ish. I kinda want a wagon, but unsure of reliable audis(if those 2 go in a sentance together).

I would also go for a reliable awd SUV, but man, im going to want something reliable and fun. Fuck fast, I dont care.

Look at something like an CRV if you want awd and reliable. Things are lego and bulletproof and if you get one with the K series so many options.

[ExtraSlow]

Crv, Rav4, highlander all okay. Dark horse pick is an older escape or tribute, which are pretty simple and halfway reliable. Not great vehicles, but usually cheap. Just make sure you don't get an FWD one.
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[ExtraSlow]

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[03ozwhip]

Thanks, no ford escapes or variants lol everyone i know that's had them has had nothing but issues.

[adam c]

My awd Mazda CX-7 is the best winter vehicle I’ve driven, just powers through this crap no issues even with all seasons

I’m sure you could find one in the 5k range

[03ozwhip]

My awd Mazda CX-7 is the best winter vehicle I’ve driven, just powers through this crap no issues even with all seasons

I’m sure you could find one in the 5k range

I was kinda looking at those. But again, ford variant. Anyone know anything about those Infiniti EX35

[adam c]

I’ve had 0 mechanical issues with mine since buying new 2011, has the same engine as the Mazdaspeed 3

[90_Shelby]

3 pages in and not one Trackhawk recommendation? It seems Beyond just isn’t the same anymore, time to find my first ever post.

[ThePenIsMightier]

3 pages in and not one Trackhawk recommendation? It seems Beyond just isn’t the same anymore, time to find my first ever post.

Conclusively wins internet by a sizeable margin.
Flawless victory.
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[vengie]

I’ve had 0 mechanical issues with mine since buying new 2011, has the same engine as the Mazdaspeed 3

I’ve always been under the impression the CX7 had major CVT issues??

[adam c]

No CVT, has an auto with manual mode and proper manual shifting, up for down / down for up

Maybe the base model does with FWD and the 2.5l but can’t comment on that one

[JohnnyHockey13]

I was kinda looking at those. But again, ford variant. Anyone know anything about those Infiniti EX35

You get the FAST (VQ powered) + reliable, but I don't know about <$5,000, last I checked, they were $8,000 range for one that is 250+km....AND it also can't look any more like a vagina if it tried lol....

For your budget, I'd look hard at the Infiniti FX35/45...would actually tick all your boxes PLUS fast (for what it is)...

Laughing at people suggesting an old Ford Escape lol he said reliable AND fun.

[Sentry]

Mom mobile? Toyota Highlander or Lexus RX300. Might be able to find a high mile RX350 for that budget
Fun for you? Subaru

[03ozwhip]

Mom mobile? Toyota Highlander or Lexus RX300. Might be able to find a high mile RX350 for that budget
Fun for you? Subaru

I dont have the knowledge to swap the motor when it blows up lol unless you want to be at my beck and call when I get one Sentry

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You get the FAST (VQ powered) + reliable, but I don't know about <$5,000, last I checked, they were $8,000 range for one that is 250+km....AND it also can't look any more like a vagina if it tried lol....

For your budget, I'd look hard at the Infiniti FX35/45...would actually tick all your boxes PLUS fast (for what it is)...

Laughing at people suggesting an old Ford Escape lol he said reliable AND fun.

I dunno i kinda like the EX. I like the FX too, but I dont know anything about infiniti either

[ExtraSlow]

You get the FAST (VQ powered) + reliable, but I don't know about <$5,000, last I checked, they were $8,000 range for one that is 250+km....AND it also can't look any more like a vagina if it tried lol....

For your budget, I'd look hard at the Infiniti FX35/45...would actually tick all your boxes PLUS fast (for what it is)...

Laughing at people suggesting an old Ford Escape lol he said reliable AND fun.

Nothing is more reliable than a vehicle that's half as expensive as your budget.

[pheoxs]

3 pages in and not one Trackhawk recommendation? It seems Beyond just isn’t the same anymore, time to find my first ever post.

ill buy your trackhawk for 5k, sure.

[eblend]

Was going to suggest a Pontiac Vibe AWD, but since the Matrix was shut down to being too feminine, guess that's out as well. My wife drives one and I have been driving it recently with all this snow (don't have winters for my Forester yet), sure feel manly passing all these other cars on the road that are stuck everywhere. This thing is a tank, love it. Not exactly fun, unless you find it fun blowing through snow without getting stuck.

[90_Shelby]

ill buy your trackhawk for 5k, sure.

That’s a little high, have you seen how bad the interior is?

On topic, I’d buy a RAV4, I wouldn’t recommend anything but Honda or Toyota if you’re looking for something reliable and cheap to fix.

[bjstare]

I dunno i kinda like the EX. I like the FX too, but I dont know anything about infiniti either

Apparently EX are tiny (trunk and backseat). If they do it for you, you’re better off looking for a g35x or g37x, as they actually have more trunk space IIRC. Avoid 05/06 because they had oil consumption issues. 07 would be ideal but might be high miles for your budget. Decently reliable, horrible mileage. Way way nicer than pre-07.

[dj_rice]

Mom mobile? Toyota Highlander or Lexus RX300. Might be able to find a high mile RX350 for that budget
Fun for you? Subaru

I love my Highlander. 2008 model. 300K on her but engine still rocking solid. If you can find one in 5K for 2nd gen, do ittttt but 5K budget most likely only first gen 2003-07 models.

[JohnnyHockey13]

I dont have the knowledge to swap the motor when it blows up lol unless you want to be at my beck and call when I get one Sentry

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I dunno i kinda like the EX. I like the FX too, but I dont know anything about infiniti either

They're mostly all bulletproof VQ engines that make decent power, the auto trannies are gonna be pretty bulletproof too. All these Infinitis use the 5 and 6 speed traditional autos...you won't have to deal with the CVT unless you start looking at Muranos and Rogues. If you like the EX35/37, I'd say go for it...Nissan's AWD systems are also pretty damn good. You get more bang for your buck too because Infinitis depreciate a lot. But like I said, in the 5k range, you are not going to find a decent EX35 though.....my vote still goes for the FX35/45. These are all just SUV/CUV variants of the G35...so you are going to get decent handling as well. Only downside I can think of, as someone mentioned, is the bad gas mileage, but that's expected for close to 300hp...can't really compare that to a Honda CRV lol if I owned a CRV, I would literally NEVER drive it unless I had to lol

[jaylo]

2005-2006 Infiniti G35x (bone stock)

pros - cheaper than FX/EX and 07-08 g37s, nimble, exhaust sound, DIY friendly, resale value

cons - TPMS, gas mileage around 13L/100km (to and from Chestermere)

[03ozwhip]

Ya im thinking about it. I love the way the audis look, but there are quite a few different engine configurations and im worried about reliability.

Found a pretty sick a4 avant 2.0 but ya, super unsure.

[bjstare]

Ya im thinking about it. I love the way the audis look, but there are quite a few different engine configurations and im worried about reliability.

Found a pretty sick a4 avant 2.0 but ya, super unsure.

They’re awesome, but if timing chain tensioners go it’ll cost an arm and a leg, and that engine is notoriously bad for oil consumption. I wouldn’t say stay away necessarily, but wouldn’t buy one without a pre purchase inspection where they can test compression and do a bore scope.

[ExtraSlow]

People shit on me for suggesting an escape, and now you are considering a high mileage Audi?

I will show myself out.

[03ozwhip]

People shit on me for suggesting an escape, and now you are considering a high mileage Audi?

I will show myself out.

Not high mileage, no. My post says 5k, but my budget is likely higher. I have to be realistic with reliability and the cost.

[ExtraSlow]

I took you at your word. #foolmetwice.

[ThePenIsMightier]

They're mostly all bulletproof VQ engines that make decent power, the auto trannies are gonna be pretty bulletproof too. All these Infinitis use the 5 and 6 speed traditional autos...you won't have to deal with the CVT unless you start looking at Muranos and Rogues. If you like the EX35/37, I'd say go for it...Nissan's AWD systems are also pretty damn good. You get more bang for your buck too because Infinitis depreciate a lot. But like I said, in the 5k range, you are not going to find a decent EX35 though.....my vote still goes for the FX35/45. These are all just SUV/CUV variants of the G35...so you are going to get decent handling as well. Only downside I can think of, as someone mentioned, is the bad gas mileage, but that's expected for close to 300hp...can't really compare that to a Honda CRV lol if I owned a CRV, I would literally NEVER drive it unless I had to lol

Mostly this on Nissan 3.5L VQ. So many Nissan haters for zero good reasons. Although isn't the FX45 not the vq35?
I'd also consider a Mazda Speed 6. I always wished the Speed 6 had a higher output 3L because I've found that (Ford) thing to be extremely reliable and a great mix overall.

[Misterman]

People shit on me for suggesting an escape, and now you are considering a high mileage Audi?

I will show myself out.

I can tell you which one is more reliable. And it's not the Ford.

So did OP buy a CR-V yet, or is this thread just a continuous clusterfuck?

[vengie]

Only shitty thing about the G35/37x is they require premium fuel to go along with the shit fuel economy

[03ozwhip]

No CRV just yet lol drove a 328xi today that was a shit show, drove an 08 G35XS which I actually really liked, going to look at an 08 BMW X3 tomorrow.

I'm fucking all over the place lol

[ThePenIsMightier]

Only shitty thing about the G35/37x is they require premium fuel to go along with the shit fuel economy

Fuck. That's an extremely good point! I wouldn't feel stupid putting that premium in a Z, but I would putting it in something else...
Their fuel economy isn't that bad though. I've averaged as low as 8.5L/100km on all highway. Winter + city can be 14, but... Does anyone give a shot about fuel economy in brutal city winter driving?

[vengie]

Fuck. That's an extremely good point! I wouldn't feel stupid putting that premium in a Z, but I would putting it in something else...
Their fuel economy isn't that bad though. I've averaged as low as 8.5L/100km on all highway. Winter + city can be 14, but... Does anyone give a shot about fuel economy in brutal city winter driving?

I had a supercharged 03 G35 coupe back in the day and loved it.

I’ve wanted another since... almost bought a G37 2 years ago but couldn’t agree on a price...
Love them, but man... premium fuel in a daily driver seems like such a waste of money. #notacarforum

[ThePenIsMightier]

I had a supercharged 03 G35 coupe back in the day and loved it.

I’ve wanted another since... almost bought a G37 2 years ago but couldn’t agree on a price...
Love them, but man... premium fuel in a daily driver seems like such a waste of money. #notacarforum

Now that the big refineries are somehow getting people to pay +$0.20/L for 91, it's painful.
Others like Costco or Cdn Tire sell premium WAY cheaper, it lessens the sting

[vengie]

Now that the big refineries are somehow getting people to pay +$0.20/L for 91, it's painful.
Others like Costco or Cdn Tire sell premium WAY cheaper, it lessens the sting

But then you have to wait in insane lines.... ain’t nobody got time for that.

[?????]

No CRV just yet lol drove a 328xi today that was a shit show, drove an 08 G35XS which I actually really liked, going to look at an 08 BMW X3 tomorrow.

I'm fucking all over the place lol

We picked up a 08 X3 for my mom for exactly 5k last month.
So far so good. No work needed...yet.

[Anomaly]

Only shitty thing about the G35/37x is they require premium fuel to go along with the shit fuel economy

Recommended, but not required ;) I don't think anyone driving a 15 year old G35 puts premium in it

[03ozwhip]

We picked up a 08 X3 for my mom for exactly 5k last month.
So far so good. No work needed...yet.

Good to know. Any details on it so I can compare ?????

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Recommended, but not required ;) I don't think anyone driving a 15 year old G35 puts premium in it

I always put premium no matter how old the car is if it requires it.

[Tik-Tok]

I dont have the knowledge to swap the motor when it blows up lol unless you want to be at my beck and call when I get one Sentry



If you're referencing the Subaru, the non-turbo ones are super easy to engine swap. I bought a $500 Impreza wagon with a blown engine, and swapped it out in less than 8 hours in my garage, with never having done one before. I think another Beyonder is still driving it a decade later.

[bjstare]

I always put premium no matter how old the car is if it requires it.

:werd: Unless you drive 50k km/year, the incremental cost for running premium fuel is negligible. People place way to much importance on that criteria when car shopping.

[?????]

Good to know. Any details on it so I can compare ?????

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I always put premium no matter how old the car is if it requires it.

08 X3 3.0si
~185k
Accident in 2010 (Since the vehicle is white, there was no rust/bubbles/peeling and the paint looks/feels original I figured they did a good job)
Has most upgrades (electric drivers/pass seats, heated steering, HID's)
I think the only upgrades missing are backup cam/Navi

[ThePenIsMightier]

:werd: Unless you drive 50k km/year, the incremental cost for running premium fuel is negligible. People place way to much importance on that criteria when car shopping.

But there's almost no value in that extra few hundred dollars per year when another vehicle can do all the same stuff without that cost.
@16,000km/year, a person with a 10L/100km vehicle is setting fire to about $320.
I feel many would be better off spending that on lottery tickets, but I'm definitely wrong.

[rage2]

G35/37 with a good exhaust system is just so damn nice. Sounds like an old school F1 car from the 70s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4cmBdJGWg

[ThePenIsMightier]

G35/37 with a good exhaust system is just so damn nice. Sounds like an old school F1 car from the 70s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4cmBdJGWg

I agree! But one time that super mean guy Buster said their V6's sounds terrible. I found that odd.

[never]

I always put premium no matter how old the car is if it requires it.

An older NA vehicle at our altitude definitely doesn't need premium.

[bjstare]

But there's almost no value in that extra few hundred dollars per year when another vehicle can do all the same stuff without that cost.
@16,000km/year, a person with a 10L/100km vehicle is setting fire to about $320.
I feel many would be better off spending that on lottery tickets, but I'm definitely wrong.

Oh absolutely. The way I look at it, usually the vehicles that require premium are nicer. So sure, the car is doing the same thing, but you have comfier seats, better stereo, more power, etc etc. Easily worth the entry cost of premium imo.

If you’re talking about putting premium in a shitbox turbo Subaru though, you are 100% right. Crv or rav4 can do everything the same except a bit slower.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Oh absolutely. The way I look at it, usually the vehicles that require premium are nicer. So sure, the car is doing the same thing, but you have comfier seats, better stereo, more power, etc etc. Easily worth the entry cost of premium imo.

If you’re talking about putting premium in a shitbox turbo Subaru though, you are 100% right. Crv or rav4 can do everything the same except a bit slower.

Yes, and like you said "if it's nicer". If we were comparing an RX350 to an MDX, I'd argue that the expensive fuel the MDX wants drags it down a notch while both vehicles are fairly equal competitors.
Etc.

Mentioning Subaru - you also would need to factor in the cost of compulsory vape products.