2021 BMW 4-Series

[speedog]

Well it appears it will have a massive grill...

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[dirtsniffer]

Yowza reminds me of buck teeth.

[Darell_n]

They fooled you guys, it’s actually a Pontiac.

[rage2]

The i4 is based on the new 3/4 series. It won't look far off from that. This is what BMW shown 2 months ago.

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[speedog]

The 4 series gets a smile below the kidneys...

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[lilmira]

oink oink!

[killramos]

It could actually be not that bad without the front license plate.

[bjstare]

idk why, but the new BMW design language just doesn't do it for me. There's parts of it that I like, but I don't like how it comes together. The worst of the Germans by far, IMO.

[speedog]

It could actually be not that bad without the front license plate.

Two different renderings...

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Without the chrome is better IMO.

[killramos]

idk why, but the new BMW design language just doesn't do it for me. There's parts of it that I like, but I don't like how it comes together. The worst of the Germans by far, IMO.

I really like the 8. This 4 might be pushing it though.

[flipstah]

Peppa pig in tha haus

[speedog]

I really like the 8. This 4 might be pushing it though.

The 8 series looks world's apart from the 4 series...

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[A790]

Haha what a fucking ugly car.

[bjstare]

I really like the 8. This 4 might be pushing it though.

Good point. The 8 is worlds better. Sounds cliche, but that goddamn big grill on the 4 just ruins the front end.

[killramos]

The 8 series looks world's apart from the 4 series...

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The biggest thing that jumped out to me from that 4 series photo in particular is it really looks like the Alfa. That’s not a good thing.

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[rage2]

idk why, but the new BMW design language just doesn't do it for me. There's parts of it that I like, but I don't like how it comes together. The worst of the Germans by far, IMO.
As I've gotten older, exterior appearances is pretty low on the list for me. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a nice to have, I just want driving experience, and creature comforts. I've turned into an even bigger douchebag, I love the air scent fragrance system on my car haha.

Gimme an EV with a luxurious and functional interior, and I'm sold.

[ercchry]

The biggest thing that jumped out to be from that 4 series photo in particular is it really looks like the Alfa

Like Alfa/Audi had a baby... but in a bad way

[dirtsniffer]

Bangle Butt doesn't look so bad now, which honestly hasn't aged poorly.

[shakalaka]

Oh God please no. The X5 grew on me and I like the 8 but if this is actually the 4 then it's garbage.

[you&me]

The 4 series gets a smile below the kidneys...

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Assuming this is the actual car, the vertical line is less apparent than the renderings indicate.

I'm not seeing much difference from the large grill on the current (and last) gen Audi RS5s.

[killramos]

The shape of the RS5 grill is at least good rather than shoehorning a large grill into kidney shapes.

[you&me]

The shape of the RS5 grill is at least good rather than shoehorning a large grill into kidney shapes.

Agreed. Looking at the renderings again, I think the most offensive design element is the point under the hood badge that emphasizes and defines the sides of each kidney... Even with the middle bar less obvious, that point looks awkward.

I'm not entirely opposed to the new large grill design language for BMW (I actually like the 7 & X7 - sue me), but something about the 4 misses the mark. I guess my point about referencing the Audis is that a large grill doesn't necessarily mean ugly, though the design of the last gen RS5 was far more coherent than the current car's zig-zaggy look.

[killramos]

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I also own one of these so I have no solid ground to stand on to criticize large grills lmao

[you&me]

Or zig-zaggy design elements hahaha

[Xtrema]

Bangle Butt doesn't look so bad now, which honestly hasn't aged poorly.

We all hate on the bangle butt but eventually even Camry copied it
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/camry-4.jpg

There is a huge outcry about this new grill but BMW ain't backing down.

[killramos]

There is a huge outcry about this new grill but BMW ain't backing down.

Lol What are they going to do? Redesign a car that’s been in the pipeline for 4 years?

Changing the grill at this point probably delays the car by 2 full model years.

[88CRX]

Lol What are they going to do? Redesign a car that’s been in the pipeline for 4 years?

Changing the grill at this point probably delays the car by 2 full model years.

What they should have done is realize that pig nose is fucking hideous. Its ugly enough that I'm sure it will effect sales.

[speedog]

Quite a change from this...

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[beyond_ban]

Quite a change from this...



And they didn't even fix the hood line that they botched from the E9X model.

[bjstare]

All they had to do was keep the proportions more like the 8 series. Make a big fuckin grill down below as well if you want, just don't do it this way. The Alfa, Lexus, Audi... idk basically everyone else that has massive grills has found a more aesthetically pleasing way to do it.

[npham]

...I got an idea, and it's revolutionary! Lets make the kidney grilles portrait this year instead of landscape!

[Xtrema]

...I got an idea, and it's revolutionary! Lets make the kidney grilles portrait this year instead of landscape!

How about it spins like a propeller and got back to the roots of the brand? And/or let people choose landscape or portrait mode?

[rx7boi]

So basically a G70/G80 with a tooth gap?

[Disoblige]

It looks like 2 giant placeholders for some sort of infinity gauntlet jewel.

[dirtsniffer]

Maybe they are going after the renewables crowd. The thing looks like it could build a dam.

[speedog]

Apparently this is the real deal, not a rendering...

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[ExtraSlow]

wait, so this is a supra?

[killramos]

It’s really too bad, I was kindof looking forward to getting back into a BMW.

[bjstare]

It’s really too bad, I was kindof looking forward to getting back into a BMW.

M4 will still be a good looking car somehow I bet. They have done a good job with the M3/M4 since basically forever, and this ridiculous grill will pair better with ridiculous bumpers/wheel arches/etc.

[npham]

The rest of the car looks so good, too bad there's no way I'm driving that grille around.

[killramos]

M4 will still be a good looking car somehow I bet. They have done a good job with the M3/M4 since basically forever, and this ridiculous grill will pair better with ridiculous bumpers/wheel arches/etc.

Hopefully. I would actually be pretty into a Z5M if it was anything resembling good.

[rage2]

The rest of the car looks so good, too bad there's no way I'm driving that grille around.
As a previous owner of an RC-F, that bmw grille isnt even that big haha.

[flipstah]

Give it a year and people will get used to it like the Lexus grille

[bjstare]

Hopefully. I would actually be pretty into a Z5M if it was anything resembling good.

I didn't know you were 65. You looked a lot younger than that last time I saw you.

[ExtraSlow]

He's an old soul.

[killramos]

I didn't know you were 65. You looked a lot younger than that last time I saw you.

I just want Bmw to make an AMG GT

[bjstare]

I just want Bmw to make an AMG GT

Interesting. I can honestly say, there's no way I'd rather have a BMW [AMG GT] over the MB. Mercedes does that car so well. Maybe only beat by a 911, but you'd have to spend a lot more to get a Pcar with equivalent options/power I bet. Plus, V8.

Are we far enough off topic yet?

[killramos]

I really like the GT as well I agree. Just want to see what BMW would do with the concept.

Way less interested in a pcar I agree.

[ExtraSlow]

Too bad we don't know anyone selling one.

[dirtsniffer]

Z8

[Neil4Speed]

Looking for more pictures of the render sent me down a rabbit hole culminating with a 4k remastered version of "the hire", with the E39 M5.... Just reminded me how on top of the game BMW was between 98-2002...

[bjstare]

Too bad we don't know anyone selling one.

I'm a decade away from having that much money to put into a car that sits in the garage 300 days a year :rofl:

[heavyD]

I hated the Lexus grille but now it doesn't offend me at all and for the record I don't think the 7 series looks all that bad with the big grilles. This will likely take a while like the Lexus grille to get used to. It will probably look better in person and stand out from other BMW's which could be a plus I suppose.

[black300]

To be honest, I don't mind the new large grill on the 4 Series. Makes it look aggressive, lets see what it looks like in person.

[rage2]

I'm a decade away from having that much money to put into a car that sits in the garage 300 days a year :rofl:
If this WFH thing goes any further, all my cars will sit in the garage 300 days a year lol.

[killramos]

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Been eyeing some spy phots the last few weeks that seem to support this. Looks like humongo grill is not going to be happening at least not in standard production 4.

Thank Christ. i4 might still end up with it though.

[heavyD]

That is the same big, twin kidney grille in that picture. They just darkened out the bottom.

[killramos]

That is a massive difference between speedog’s rendering we hated so much.

Maybe I’m wrong and seeing what I want to see. Dunno.

[Xtrema]

Maybe I’m wrong and seeing what I want to see. Dunno.

It's basically Apple using a strategic black background to hide the notch on iPhone.

The fact that grill is seen on production floor, it's confirmed. They ain't backing down at this stage unless they reserve it for M line or something.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA3KOh8pa5W/?igshid=1oqxpdf1pf8r1

[npham]

Pic of the production grill was a page back too, where they pulled the car cover back. Still hate it. There's a reason why the didn't show the full grill in the teaser photo.

[killramos]

It's basically Apple using a strategic black background to hide the notch on iPhone.

The fact that grill is seen on production floor, it's confirmed. They ain't backing down at this stage unless they reserve it for M line or something.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA3KOh8pa5W/?igshid=1oqxpdf1pf8r1

Is there another line of BMW worth buying?

[flipstah]

Is there another line of BMW worth buying?

Rolls Royce

[cyra1ax]

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This is a joke right?

[Buster]

Is there another line of BMW worth buying?

People still buy BMWs? I had no idea.

[speedog]

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This is a joke right?

Almost looks like a pair of ass cheeks on someone that's been bent over.

[01RedDX]

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[heavyD]

People still buy BMWs? I had no idea.

Yep they do. In similar numbers to MB actually. In fact I think BMW outsold MB in the US in 2019. I actually don't mind the front end as shown in that photo. The side profile looks a little plain though.

[bjstare]

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This is a joke right?

I'm ok with pretty much all the huge grill designs out there. This is the biggest failure for sure. It's hideous.


People still buy BMWs? I had no idea.

That's kinda what I was thinking. With what Audi and MB are putting out these days, what's the point? M3 is probably the only car worth consideration, even though it's a pretty tough sell against a C63.

[killramos]

Well the next C63 will have 4 cylinders so what the fuck am I supposed to buy?

I guess a corvette.

[heavyD]

Well the next C63 will have 4 cylinders so what the fuck am I supposed to buy?

I guess a corvette.

The V8's are the main reason to by AMG's so it's going to be interesting to see how 4 cylinder hybrids are received.

[bjstare]

Well the next C63 will have 4 cylinders so what the fuck am I supposed to buy?

I guess a corvette.

RS6.

Although the Corvette would suit your inner 65 year old much better.

[beyond_ban]

After seeing these grills continuously leaked and rendered over the last year, they are actually growing on me ever so slightly. I still think BMW missed the mark with this marque, but they do not tilt me quite as much as the first time i laid eyes on the redesign. Grills aside, the car is quite bland and from the rear 3/4 view it is eerily similar to an Infiniti Q60.

[killramos]

RS6.

Although the Corvette would suit your inner 65 year old much better.

Well the M5 is still good so I would get that over the RS6.

[shakalaka]

Well the next C63 will have 4 cylinders so what the fuck am I supposed to buy?

I guess a corvette.

You should get a Lexus IS350. Haha.

Kidding aside, the new Corvette actually looks quite nice in the wild. Too bad Corvette's in general are just way too played out, otherwise I'd consider one as a replacement for the 'fun' car.

That white 4 series picture though, actually does not look THAT bad to me. In fact, I might even like it a little bit.

[killramos]

You should get a Lexus IS350. Haha.

Kidding aside, the new Corvette actually looks quite nice in the wild. Too bad Corvette's in general are just way too played out, otherwise I'd consider one as a replacement for the 'fun' car.

I think the play is to get a cheap C6 or C7 Z06 rather than pay a premium for a C8. It’s cool but I just don’t care enough about the newness or a corvette to bother.

It’s just an engine with wheels.

[rage2]

With the draconian penalties set out by the EU, PHEV's are the only way to save V8's. Unfortunately, that drives up costs, and why the remaining V8 PHEV's are going to be premium models. AMG with the 73's, BMW with the X8 and next M5 PHEV, bigger dollar lower volume cars to keep the CO2 averages down. Not surprised to see the entry level performance cars ditch V8's. M3/4 did it already, C63 is definitely next.

So yea, I'd say American manufacturers are the last hope. They don't sell as much, if any in the EU, and NA isn't anywhere near EU's insanity in CO2 emissions requirements.

[Xtrema]

So yea, I'd say American manufacturers are the last hope. They don't sell as much, if any in the EU, and NA isn't anywhere near EU's insanity in CO2 emissions requirements.

So Corvette it is.

Not sure if that's BMW's way of walking back.... Dukec has stated that this grill is 4 series only and potentially only spread to other even number of the lines. 4/6/8 etc.

3/5/7 will stay more conservative.

[bjstare]

Well the M5 is still good so I would get that over the RS6.

Whaaaat no way. Out of the three, RS6 and E63S are way more desirable than M5 IMO. (moot point, since I can't afford any of them, but still)

[killramos]

Whaaaat no way. Out of the three, RS6 and E63S are way more desirable than M5 IMO. (moot point, since I can't afford any of them, but still)

I like the M5, I took an M5 comp out for a rip last spring and thoroughly enjoyed it. Heavy AF though, that would take a while to get used to.

[max_boost]

.... do not like at all ....

[Xtrema]

I like the M5, I took an M5 comp out for a rip last spring and thoroughly enjoyed it. Heavy AF though, that would take a while to get used to.

Speaking of next gen M5....
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a32741620/next-generation-bmw-m5-will-reportedly-be-hybrid-or-electric-only/

[killramos]

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[Buster]

Speaking of next gen M5....
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a32741620/next-generation-bmw-m5-will-reportedly-be-hybrid-or-electric-only/

I'm going to save so much money not buying cars.

[max_boost]

I'm going to save so much money not buying cars.

You can donate some to much needed causes :D

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I'm going to save so much money not buying cars.

Or you’re going to spend a lot of money collecting good older cars...

[killramos]

I'm going to save so much money not buying cars.

Should have kept the GTS

[ThePenIsMightier]

Donut want.

[shakalaka]

No talk about the M5 is complete without comparison with the RS7. If I was shopping that segment right now, to be honest, I'd be leaning towards the RS7 more than the M5 or E63.

[Xtrema]

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/1049x590/quality/80/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2020/06/03122132/BMW-4-Series-with-Smaller-Grille-Autoblog-Final.jpg

Can we ever go back?

Thank God AB has no front plate.
https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/1049x590/quality/80/https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2020/06/03122147/BMW-4-Series-All-Grille-No-Plate.jpg

[killramos]

Aftermarket is going to sell a lot of bumper swaps for these.

Reasonable people just wont buy them in the first place but I see a bit inventory of ugly M440i’s on lots at the end of the model year.

Maybe BMW will pull a Honda and yank it after 1 MY.

[A790]

That is the one of the ugliest fucking "luxury cars" I've ever seen.

And I owned a Lexus with the Predator grill.

[Xtrema]

I'm going to save so much money not buying cars.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/06/bmw-phevs-will-incorporate-gamification-automatically-switch-to-ev-mode-in-2020/

Hit a EV geofence zone, your BMW will neuter itself.

That's ok , there is still Corvette.

[Buster]

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/06/bmw-phevs-will-incorporate-gamification-automatically-switch-to-ev-mode-in-2020/

Hit a EV geofence zone, your BMW will neuter itself.

That's ok , there is still Corvette.

I dunno - I'm just not as interested in cars as I used to be. The McLaren forums have a long thread ongoing right now about how even supercars just aren't catching the attention of people like they used to. I think car transport as a hobby and interest will be on the decline rapidly now.

[Xtrema]

I dunno - I'm just not as interested in cars as I used to be. The McLaren forums have a long thread ongoing right now about how even supercars just aren't catching the attention of people like they used to. I think car transport as a hobby and interest will be on the decline rapidly now.

they are not as rare or exclusive as before.

And eventually it will be a sport/hobby like we view equestrian today.

[ThePenIsMightier]

I think this is their fault for blending classes FAR too closely together. It now takes a keen enthusiast's eye to spot an S-Class or even a Maybach from a C and a 3-Series from an M whereas they used to scream "LOOK AT ME!!!".
It's like they took "everyone loves a sleeper" much too far. I pulled up next to some preposterous BMW yesterday and I still don't know what the fuck it was. I think it said 850i or something??? Maybe that's like a Lambo big deal and maybe it's not. The problem is, I don't know - and that's wrong.

If it's a big deal car, it should carry its weight and be recognized as such. The Germans are failing at this.

[killramos]

I think this is their fault for blending classes FAR too closely together. It now takes a keen enthusiast's eye to spot an S-Class or even a Maybach from a C and a 3-Series from an M whereas they used to scream "LOOK AT ME!!!".
It's like they took "everyone loves a sleeper" much too far. I pulled up next to some preposterous BMW yesterday and I still don't know what the fuck it was. I think it said 850i or something??? Maybe that's like a Lambo big deal and maybe it's not. The problem is, I don't know - and that's wrong.

If it's a big deal car, it should carry its weight and be recognized as such. The Germans are failing at this.

Measuring the dick size of a bmw is easy, bigger the number the bigger your dick.

Unless it’s an SUV, in which case it’s an immediate indicator that your wife keeps your balls in her purse.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Measuring the dick size of a bmw is easy, bigger the number the bigger your dick.

Unless it’s an SUV, in which case it’s an immediate indicator that your wife keeps your balls in her purse.

Sure, if you can see the badge. What I'm saying is looking from the front or side, they generally look too similar.

[88CRX]

Sure, if you can see the badge. What I'm saying is looking from the front or side, they generally look too similar.

Base model 3 series BMW with M-Tech S-Line AMG lip kit or M3 Comp?

Who knows! :dunno:

[killramos]

Sure, if you can see the badge. What I'm saying is looking from the front or side, they generally look too similar.

The nice bmws have always only been subtly discernible from the pleb ones. This is nothing new.

[beyond_ban]

Enthusiasts, aka the ones who actually care what model it is, should generally be able to spot the differences. The watering down of the historic performance monikers such as M and AMG is a little annoying, but at the end of the day most girls are just going to see BMW or Mercedes anyways and your real M or AMG car will mainly attract like minded men.