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shakalaka
06-16-2020, 09:50 PM
Was having an interesting conversation with a friend on what options are out there for sports cars under $50K. There's the obvious Mustang and Camaro, however they have so many trim levels (that I personally don't know) that it seems only the really expensive ones (GT350, SRT, SS etc) are the actual fun cars. Challenger possibly is another option.These would even be brand new options, but really is there anything else out there? Nissan 370Z? And we aren't talking about weak sauces like BRZ, that one Toyota etc. Let's say at least 350HP or more, the higher the better of course. The whole argument was whether there are that many solid options around?

We are talking brand new but can be something as old as 3 years that falls into that price category (under $50K).

killramos
06-16-2020, 09:54 PM
Used M2 fits the bill :rofl:

C4S
06-16-2020, 09:58 PM
Civic R

$47k + tax...

1/3 price of a Trophy RSR

npham
06-16-2020, 10:36 PM
Used TT-RS is a ton of performance/value if you are buying used. 50k new doesn't buy you much these days.

2Legit2Quit
06-16-2020, 10:45 PM
I paid under 50k for my 2SS Camaro which was new off the lot, granted I made the deal in the middle of January so I got a decent deal.

Compared it to pretty much what you outlined and it won out. Things suck on the Japanese side right now, the type R is too much boy racer for my liking, never liked Nissan Z's personally, and then there's the supra which I'd take a Camaro over anyway.

shakalaka
06-16-2020, 10:47 PM
50k new doesn't buy you much these days.

See that's exactly it and was my point. People that are into sports cars, are proper petrol heads and can afford them - are pretty much forced to splurge to be able to get that proper sports car aren't they. It's almost like something they don't really have a choice about because anything that's actually good ends up being up there in price.

ThePenIsMightier
06-16-2020, 10:50 PM
I would take a cheaper, new non-Nismo Z and get a turbo kit from Sasha (in Edmonton) to lay down about 500whp for well under $50k.
I'll sell you a set of Work wheels with 325's to help get that powa down and I'd bet you're still closer to $45k.

Darkane
06-16-2020, 10:53 PM
Cadillac sedans.

BMW 3/4 series?

RC350

There’s got to be more. Not a bad thread.

Team_Mclaren
06-16-2020, 11:16 PM
See that's exactly it and my was my point. People that are into sports cars, are proper petrol heads and can afford them - are pretty much forced to splurge money to be able to get that proper car aren't they. It's almost like something they don't really have a choice about because anything that's actually good ends up being up there in price.

huh? a sports car isnt really a need... hence the premium?

shakalaka
06-16-2020, 11:22 PM
huh? a sports car isnt really a need... hence the premium?

Of course purchasing a car in general is optional and the same thing with a specific make. I am just saying if you want to then you're forced to splurge.

Disoblige
06-16-2020, 11:57 PM
For ~$50k, I rather have a fun AWD hot hatch I can drive all year round with 350 hp/350 lb-ft.

Spend more for actual sports car.

eglove
06-17-2020, 12:48 AM
Focus RS /shrug

Twin_Cam_Turbo
06-17-2020, 06:54 AM
1SS 1LE Camaro would be my choice, easily had for $50k with discounts.

You can also find M2, Mustang PP2, CTR, M240i, 370Z, Focus RS, M3, Boxster S around three years old for $50k or less if you hunt around.

bjstare
06-17-2020, 07:42 AM
There’s never been a ton of options for higher powered sports cars at a reasonable price. If you adjust for inflation, fast cars have always been expensive. Want more performance and can’t afford new? Go 2, 5, 8 years old... as old as you need to for things to depreciate into your price range.

90_Shelby
06-17-2020, 07:44 AM
Cadillac ATS-V would be a contender. Highly underrated, lots of power, great handling and you can get it with a manual.

Pacman
06-17-2020, 08:50 AM
Based on recent Bring A Trailer sales, you can't even get a 1999 Honda Civic Si-R or an E36 M3 for 50k these days.

beyond_ban
06-17-2020, 09:07 AM
Based on recent Bring A Trailer sales, you can't even get a 1999 Honda Civic Si-R or an E36 M3 for 50k these days.

Yet for $50k (USD) you can get a DBS :nut:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2010-aston-martin-dbs-2/

killramos
06-17-2020, 09:08 AM
yet for $50k (usd) you can bid on a dbs :nut:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2010-aston-martin-dbs-2/

ftfy

Ca_Silvia13
06-17-2020, 09:09 AM
I saw a 2017 Porsche 718 for 50k

Not a Porsche guy so no idea if that's a good deal or not.

Skrilla
06-17-2020, 09:24 AM
Don't know if you watch Vinwiki youtube channel but they have a few of these episodes of best car for XX amount of money, might give you some ideas!

pheoxs
06-17-2020, 09:27 AM
If you wanna relive your youth with something modded a Toyota 86 with a turbo kit and some basic upgrades (10k) makes for a pretty fun car and very tail happy.

Could get a Cayman S / Audi RS5 / M2 or M3 / C63 can all be had used in that range. Theres a used RC-F for 40k or maybe a older Vette?

Tik-Tok
06-17-2020, 09:33 AM
proper petrol heads

Proper petrol heads don't buy something, they build something. So a $30k car with $20k in mods will get you a very sporty car.

:drama:

Edit, this isn't a new thing either, a 1998 Supra Turbo doesn't even meet your HP criteria, and was over $70K (in today's dollars)

A 2003 S2000, again doesn't meet HP criteria, and was $60k

A 2008 M3 does meet your HP, but was $85k

Xtrema
06-17-2020, 09:43 AM
Miata? Need some nice curvy mountain roads to enjoy it tho. I guess that falls under the BRZ/FT86 as gutless but fun car. And a loaded one is almost $50K.

Pacman
06-17-2020, 10:00 AM
Yet for $50k (USD) you can get a DBS :nut:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2010-aston-martin-dbs-2/

it's crazy. What would you rather have, the DBS or this that sold yesterday?:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1996-bmw-m3-34/

beyond_ban
06-17-2020, 10:01 AM
ftfy

With only 2 hours left i am curious to see if it goes much higher


it's crazy. What would you rather have, the DBS or this that sold yesterday?:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1996-bmw-m3-34/

It is insane, the collector bubble has extended far beyond Porsche's to every low KM, desirable drivers car it seems.

Graham_A_M
06-17-2020, 10:08 AM
Cadillac ATS-V would be a contender. Highly underrated, lots of power, great handling and you can get it with a manual.

This, all day long

ThePenIsMightier
06-17-2020, 10:46 AM
This, all day long

Agree.

rx7boi
06-17-2020, 10:59 AM
I also can't see Shak building a car unless he was paying a shop to do it for him.

Would the Q60 Red Sport would fit the bill, or is it not a sports car? Haha.

max_boost
06-17-2020, 11:14 AM
Civic R

$47k + tax...

1/3 price of a Trophy RSR

or Golf R!

rage2
06-17-2020, 11:14 AM
If you wanna relive your youth with something modded a Toyota 86 with a turbo kit and some basic upgrades (10k) makes for a pretty fun car and very tail happy.
Toyota builds that OEM too. With full warranty. They call it the Supra.

EM2FTL
06-17-2020, 11:17 AM
I also can't see Shak building a car unless he was paying a shop to do it for him.

Would the Q60 Red Sport would fit the bill, or is it not a sports car? Haha.

Everything i've read about that car from enthusiasts suggests it is not a drivers car, does not handle well at all when pushed.

OP, I'm also looking at the same budget for a potential 370z replacement.. still torn on whether to mod this thing or get something better out of the box. 45k for a new 1SS 1LE is pretty fucking tempting, I just wish the car looked better and had a better interior.

- - - Updated - - -


Toyota builds that OEM too. With full warranty. They call it the Supra.

For ~$65K though?

lilmira
06-17-2020, 11:18 AM
Veloster no?

Xtrema
06-17-2020, 11:21 AM
It is insane, the collector bubble has extended far beyond Porsche's to every low KM, desirable drivers car it seems.

Seems like analog pre-nanny cars from 90s and 2000s are coming up. Given Gen X'er is now the one with disposable cash and about/starting to retire. Make sense.

rage2
06-17-2020, 11:40 AM
Would the Q60 Red Sport would fit the bill, or is it not a sports car? Haha.

Everything i've read about that car from enthusiasts suggests it is not a drivers car, does not handle well at all when pushed.
I test drove one a year or 2 ago. That's spot on. Terrible turn in, light understeer nearing limit, massive understeer at the limit. Just dead coming out of the corners. Then there's the brakes, it's totally undersized for the power. Does not want to stop when pushing hard.

It reminded me of older AMGs before they cared about handling. All about straight line. It's great bang for the buck if straight line is all you're looking for.

Darkane
06-17-2020, 11:43 AM
Seems like analog pre-nanny cars from 90s and 2000s are coming up. Given Gen X'er is now the one with disposable cash and about/starting to retire. Make sense.

Boomers haven’t retired yet, one step at a time.

jabjab
06-17-2020, 11:52 AM
TTRS if you can find one. Simple tune and its a beast

shakalaka
06-17-2020, 11:57 AM
I guess I should have prefaced by saying, when I say 'sports cars', I sorta mean a sporty looking car - that is coupe. Doesn't have to be a die hard V8 beast. Accordingly, I would include the Q60 in that category (sport/luxury cars under $50K), however as stated above, it doesn't quite drive as nice. It is a nice looking vehicle though. Another option would be a S5. Perhaps a year or two older. Not your die hard sports car again but as someone mentioned it's that sporty/luxury AWD that can be a solid option.

Don't know much about Cadillac's - went online and don't see an ATS-V. Have they stopped making those? In fact, there's any coupe on their site anymore.

TTRS is definitely a good option - I personally don't like the look of them but it's definitely a contender for a solid sports cars under $50K.

BavarianBeast
06-17-2020, 11:59 AM
I’ve got a nicely modified TTRS around 500hp. One of the most fun cars I’ve owned/modified.

110,000km, $42k.

92356

rx7boi
06-17-2020, 12:02 PM
Shak, what about a used RS5?

If we expanded your parameters to up to 5 years old, I've seen some that are between $35k and $50k

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2015-audi-rs5-4-2-quattro-7sp-s-tronic-coupe/1506963837

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2015-audi-rs5-convertible/1498671013

I'm surprised at how cheap the one in Calgary is but I don't know much about the RS models.

ExtraSlow
06-17-2020, 12:03 PM
- Used Golf R ($30k) and very minimal mods (tune) and you'd still have enough left over for some red wheels. Win.

jabjab
06-17-2020, 12:03 PM
I’ve got a nicely modified TTRS around 500hp. One of the most fun cars I’ve owned/modified.

110,000km, $42k.

92356

gorgeous!!!

heavyD
06-17-2020, 12:39 PM
Based on recent Bring A Trailer sales, you can't even get a 1999 Honda Civic Si-R or an E36 M3 for 50k these days.

I remember walking away from a 1999 Si-R new because I couldn't stomach paying nearly $30k for what was basically a Civic Si with a B16A and now people are paying $50k USD for used ones? What is the world coming to?

pheoxs
06-17-2020, 12:43 PM
Toyota builds that OEM too. With full warranty. They call it the Supra.

That's over 50k though.

88CRX
06-17-2020, 12:44 PM
I remember walking away from a 1999 Si-R new because I couldn't stomach paying nearly $30k for what was basically a Civic Si with a B16A and now people are paying $50k USD for used ones? What is the world coming to?

Lets be clear... a museum quality 00' in the ideal electric blue colour, bone stock, with only 5600 miles sold to some rich fart for $50k.

99.9% of EM1 Civics are selling on local kijiji pages for a couple thousand bucks.

silvercivicsir
06-17-2020, 01:08 PM
I still have mine.. pushing 20yrs of ownership :)



I remember walking away from a 1999 Si-R new because I couldn't stomach paying nearly $30k for what was basically a Civic Si with a B16A and now people are paying $50k USD for used ones? What is the world coming to?

beyond_ban
06-17-2020, 01:21 PM
Shak, what about a used RS5?

If we expanded your parameters to up to 5 years old, I've seen some that are between $35k and $50k

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2015-audi-rs5-4-2-quattro-7sp-s-tronic-coupe/1506963837

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2015-audi-rs5-convertible/1498671013

I'm surprised at how cheap the one in Calgary is but I don't know much about the RS models.

That silver one in Calgary does seem like a steal, wow.

Mitsu3000gt
06-17-2020, 01:25 PM
All the car magazines seem to think the CT-R is the best driver's car under $50K. It's a hell of a lot more fun to drive than something like a Q50 Red Sport IMO. Not the fastest car out there and the looks are polarizing but it's just an absolute blast to drive. I don't think I've ever driven a car that put such a smile on my face, but to be fair that could have also been because I was on a track at the time.

If you're also looking used, then at $50K the options are almost endless and you can definitely get something more premium. I like the TTRS idea.

shakalaka
06-17-2020, 01:30 PM
That silver one in Calgary does seem like a steal, wow.

Too good to be true?

EM2FTL
06-17-2020, 01:34 PM
All the car magazines seem to think the CT-R is the best driver's car under $50K. It's a hell of a lot more fun to drive than something like a Q50 Red Sport IMO. Not the fastest car out there and the looks are polarizing but it's just an absolute blast to drive. I don't think I've ever driven a car that put such a smile on my face, but to be fair that could have also been because I was on a track at the time.

If you're also looking used, then at $50K the options are almost endless and you can definitely get something more premium. I like the TTRS idea.

I want to want the CTR having been a Type-R fanboy growing up. I think the issue is that it's the car I wanted back then, but that was 20 years ago. It just screams LOOK AT ME with the current design, vs how clean the ITR and CTR were back in the day.

beyond_ban
06-17-2020, 01:36 PM
Too good to be true?

Good enough i want to take a look.

Mitsu3000gt
06-17-2020, 01:39 PM
I want to want the CTR having been a Type-R fanboy growing up. I think the issue is that it's the car I wanted back then, but that was 20 years ago. It just screams LOOK AT ME with the current design, vs how clean the ITR and CTR were back in the day.

Yup, the looks are definitely the most polarizing thing about it. Drive one if you haven't - you might find you have so much fun you won't care what it looks like. Also, I think the 2021 variant is getting some toned down bodywork.

I do wish they made a "sleeper" version though.

Buster
06-17-2020, 01:42 PM
Why can't Honda put out the CTR with an acura badge and not looking like ass?

I'd think a premium sport compact type care like that would sell?

Xtrema
06-17-2020, 01:50 PM
Why can't Honda put out the CTR with an acura badge and not looking like ass?

I'd think a premium sport compact type care like that would sell?

2021/22. Rumor CTR mill in an Acura Compact Sedan but badged as Type S.

90_Shelby
06-17-2020, 01:55 PM
I guess I should have prefaced by saying, when I say 'sports cars', I sorta mean a sporty looking car - that is coupe. Doesn't have to be a die hard V8 beast. Accordingly, I would include the Q60 in that category (sport/luxury cars under $50K), however as stated above, it doesn't quite drive as nice. It is a nice looking vehicle though. Another option would be a S5. Perhaps a year or two older. Not your die hard sports car again but as someone mentioned it's that sporty/luxury AWD that can be a solid option.

Don't know much about Cadillac's - went online and don't see an ATS-V. Have they stopped making those? In fact, there's any coupe on their site anymore.



ATS-V just ended production so you'd buying used. I've driven RT16V ATS-V and it's a riot, 6 speed manual, 4 door, that's his in the pic.

In this review, it even beat the M3 which is a shocker but it bested both the AMG and M3 for 1/4 mile, figure 8, lateral G's, braking and 0-60:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/mercedes-benz/c-class/2015/bmw-m3-vs-cadillac-ats-v-sedan-vs-mercedes-amg-c63-s-comparison/

A few for sale on kiji but they didn't make many overall:

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2016-cadillac-ats-v-6-spd-luxury-pkg-coupe-464hp-navi-hud/1452183568
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2017-cadillac-ats-v/1506479439

I personally wish they would have stuck an LS in it instead of the TT V-6 but it's still an awesome car.

92361

Mitsu3000gt
06-17-2020, 02:08 PM
That seems like a lot of money for an ATS-V when they were selling brand new for ~$20K under MSRP as nobody wanted them. Did they just become more valuable because you can't buy them anymore?

rx7boi
06-17-2020, 02:23 PM
Too good to be true?

It is worth taking a look and doing your due diligence.

There are some unicorns to be found.

That's how I picked up a near-new 2013 G37xs with 3800 kilometers.

silvercivicsir
06-17-2020, 02:38 PM
BRING back the INTEGRA name


2021/22. Rumor CTR mill in an Acura Compact Sedan but badged as Type S.

ExtraSlow
06-17-2020, 02:39 PM
Acura EL baby.

Disoblige
06-17-2020, 02:59 PM
Acura EL baby.
Omg, to match their existing naming conventions, it should be the Acura ELX!

heavyD
06-17-2020, 03:00 PM
ATS-V just ended production so you'd buying used. I've driven RT16V ATS-V and it's a riot, 6 speed manual, 4 door, that's his in the pic.

In this review, it even beat the M3 which is a shocker but it bested both the AMG and M3 for 1/4 mile, figure 8, lateral G's, braking and 0-60:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/mercedes-benz/c-class/2015/bmw-m3-vs-cadillac-ats-v-sedan-vs-mercedes-amg-c63-s-comparison/

A few for sale on kiji but they didn't make many overall:

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2016-cadillac-ats-v-6-spd-luxury-pkg-coupe-464hp-navi-hud/1452183568
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2017-cadillac-ats-v/1506479439

I personally wish they would have stuck an LS in it instead of the TT V-6 but it's still an awesome car.

92361

I really like the ATS-V as it's a great performance bargain. GM chassis tuners are amongst the best in the world. I just wish the instrument cluster didn't look like it was lifted out of a 90's Chevy Malibu.

flipstah
06-17-2020, 04:11 PM
As long as the maintenance has been regular for the RS5, that’s a steal. Carbon cleaning might be nice at 100ish k Kms tho

94boosted
06-17-2020, 04:17 PM
You can get a C6Z for under $50K now, that would be my choice for sure.

JRSC00LUDE
06-17-2020, 04:33 PM
I just wish the instrument cluster didn't look like it was lifted out of a 90's Chevy Malibu.

It wouldn't be a GM if they didn't ruin it with a GM interior.

C4S
06-17-2020, 04:35 PM
I did look at few TTRS manual couple year ago, it "kind" of have everything, good power, quick, back seat, manual, inexpensive ... neck to neck vs Focus RS, but again, I have too many experience with German cars, 5 year old, 100K km .. even I am fine for the high repair/maintenance cost, but don't want the hassle. If someone doesn't have kid, dont mind the hassle, it is fine..

Was very close to pull a trigger on the C7 Z06, $60K for a 3 year old, it is a bargain, but my wife keeps telling me that I am not 200lb, and still have hair, won't fit in a Vette! :facepalm:

Focus RS is still the best Hot hatch I have experienced, I do like it more than CTR, with small modify, 400HP! I still kind of regret I didn't buy the RS, but the CTR

pheoxs
06-17-2020, 04:39 PM
I did look at few TTRS manual couple year ago, it "kind" of have everything, good power, quick, back seat, manual, inexpensive ... neck to neck vs Focus RS, but again, I have too many experience with German cars, 5 year old, 100K km .. even I am fine for the high repair/maintenance cost, but don't want the hassle. If someone doesn't have kid, dont mind the hassle, it is fine..

Was very close to pull a trigger on the C7 Z06, $60K for a 3 year old, it is a bargain, but my wife keeps telling me that I am not 200lb, and still have hair, won't fit in a Vette! :facepalm:

Focus RS is still the best Hot hatch I have experienced, I do like it more than CTR, with small modify, 400HP! I still kind of regret I didn't buy the RS, but the CTR

Wish I could afford a Focus RS. I love my Fiesta ST so much but wish it was just a bit bigger and awd for the winter fun.

90_Shelby
06-17-2020, 05:19 PM
That seems like a lot of money for an ATS-V when they were selling brand new for ~$20K under MSRP as nobody wanted them. Did they just become more valuable because you can't buy them anymore?

It's widely known that the Cadillac CTS-V and ATS-V are a better car then their german counterparts, this is evident when you look at their prices on the used market. Similar year and mileage, the Cadillac will be worth more.

Disoblige
06-17-2020, 05:52 PM
Focus RS is still the best Hot hatch I have experienced, I do like it more than CTR, with small modify, 400HP! I still kind of regret I didn't buy the RS, but the CTR eglove, swak and I wont rub it in too much ;)

ragu
06-17-2020, 07:19 PM
For me sports car has to be right balance of power to weight and more feel than numbers. The order goes like this: Fiesta ST, S2K, E46 M3, CTR, GT350, 997 GT3. Of these cars, best bang for buck is Fiesta ST... by a long margin.

flipstah
06-17-2020, 07:19 PM
There are some Focus RS for sale in Edmonton. One in the blue I want... :drool:

gpomp
06-17-2020, 07:45 PM
For me sports car has to be right balance of power to weight and more feel than numbers. The order goes like this: Fiesta ST, S2K, E46 M3, CTR, GT350, 997 GT3. Of these cars, best bang for buck is Fiesta ST... by a long margin.

Yeah but who wants to be seen driving a Fiesta?

Xtrema
06-17-2020, 07:54 PM
I really like the ATS-V as it's a great performance bargain. GM chassis tuners are amongst the best in the world. I just wish the instrument cluster didn't look like it was lifted out of a 90's Chevy Malibu.

Everything is pulled out of a 90s Malibu. I was in a CTS-V and the interior quality is just abysmal for $90K car.

ragu
06-17-2020, 07:57 PM
Yeah but who wants to be seen driving a Fiesta?

Not many people. Otherwise it’d run its parade through market shares of cars across many classes lol

90_Shelby
06-17-2020, 08:35 PM
I really like the ATS-V as it's a great performance bargain. GM chassis tuners are amongst the best in the world. I just wish the instrument cluster didn't look like it was lifted out of a 90's Chevy Malibu.


Everything is pulled out of a 90s Malibu. I was in a CTS-V and the interior quality is just abysmal for $90K car.

'98 Malibu
92363

ATS-V
92364

CTS-V
92366

killramos
06-17-2020, 08:43 PM
Who cares about an interior anyways.

More and more I am drawn to more stripped out vehicles. Boxter Spyder. GT350R. Demon? Haha

I need a new toy.

Disoblige
06-17-2020, 08:48 PM
Who cares about an interior anyways.

More and more I am drawn to more stripped out vehicles. Boxter Spyder. GT350R. Demon? Haha

I need a new toy.
Demon? Lol. Gross.
Unless you got it for a steal I guess...

killramos
06-17-2020, 08:49 PM
Demon? Lol. Gross.
Unless you got it for a steal I guess...

Needed a third idea with stripped out interior

90_Shelby
06-17-2020, 08:54 PM
Demon? Lol. Gross.
Unless you got it for a steal I guess...

An 840hp, street legal drag car that runs 9's @140mph is gross?

What?

rage2
06-17-2020, 09:47 PM
Who cares about an interior anyways.
This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

Disoblige
06-17-2020, 10:07 PM
An 840hp, street legal drag car that runs 9's @140mph is gross?

What?
I can name countless cars in the $130k or less range that I rather have that will give me more pleasure driving than the Demon.

And the Demon costs more :rofl:

tonytiger55
06-17-2020, 10:30 PM
This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

LMAO.

Back on topic. If one can push the limit to even four years. Does a AMG E class Merc count?

90_Shelby
06-17-2020, 11:08 PM
I can name countless cars in the $130k or less range that I rather have that will give me more pleasure driving than the Demon.

And the Demon costs more :rofl:

A Demon also wouldn’t be my first choice but that’s irrelevant to how it makes it “gross”.

flipstah
06-18-2020, 06:23 AM
'98 Malibu
92363

ATS-V
92364

CTS-V
92366

This is the hardest Where’s Waldo ever. I see no difference.

If I squint really hard, should I see a pony?

killramos stays at a Waldorf. THE HORROR.

killramos
06-18-2020, 07:30 AM
This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

Man. It’s been a long time since I went on Vacation...

Tik-Tok
06-18-2020, 09:30 AM
This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

If you're in a good enough vacation spot, you'll barely be spending any time in the room anyways. Just for crashing in.

Similarly, if you buy a domestic, you'll be spending more time under the hood than in the car anyways.

npham
06-18-2020, 10:00 AM
If you're in a good enough vacation spot, you'll barely be spending any time in the room anyways. Just for crashing in.

For us, it's got to be the complete package. If the room sucks, it takes away from the vacation if you are dealing with a bunch of little things. When I'm on vacation, I want it to be stress-free and to give myself a mental break - that means having a nice room.

Disoblige
06-18-2020, 10:04 AM
A Demon also wouldn’t be my first choice but that’s irrelevant to how it makes it “gross”.
Fine fine, I will change my choice of words. You got me.

it is now "meh", lol.

Xtrema
06-18-2020, 10:27 AM
'98 Malibu
92363

ATS-V
92364

CTS-V
92366

Basically it's the 1/2 moon speedo that took me back in time. And you can't use photos. I was fooled by them as well which is why I gave CTS-V a try and that's overhead console plastic is exactly the same grade of of that 90s GM product.

killramos
06-18-2020, 10:32 AM
This thread:

“Why is everything so expensive these days you can’t even buy a used enthusiasts car for under 50k”

*Several sub 50k options pointed out*

Also this thread:

“Why is the plastic in these cars so cheaply made”

Pick a lane :rofl:

ExtraSlow
06-18-2020, 10:34 AM
Why do the handbags I like all cost $500? Also, I won't own a handbag without LV design. At least 50% of beyond are fashion over function people.

Xtrema
06-18-2020, 10:34 AM
This thread:

“Why is everything so expensive these days you can’t even buy a used enthusiasts car for under 50k”

*Several sub 50k options pointed out*

Also this thread:

“Why is the plastic in these cars so cheaply made”

Pick a lane :rofl:

Well when a $90K product has worse than $30k product's plastic, it's a problem.

Rocket1k78
06-18-2020, 10:35 AM
Proper petrol heads don't buy something, they build something. So a $30k car with $20k in mods will get you a very sporty car.
I drive a truck so i have no say in this matter but id have to agree with this.
"People that are into sports cars, are proper petrol heads and can afford them" :rofl:




This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

For us, it's got to be the complete package. If the room sucks, it takes away from the vacation if you are dealing with a bunch of little things. When I'm on vacation, I want it to be stress-free and to give myself a mental break - that means having a nice room.
I've never done a motel 6 before but ive stayed at some shit holes when i was younger haha I never used to give a shit about hotels but now that ive got a family the hotel is top priority.

killramos
06-18-2020, 10:47 AM
Well when a $90K product has worse than $30k product's plastic, it's a problem.

I think there are more important things to spend money on than the plastic that covers the sunglass holder.

End of the day, alot of the 90k cars we are talking about are 30k cars with more money in the places that matter. Works for me.

Disoblige
06-18-2020, 11:34 AM
I think there are more important things to spend money on than the plastic that covers the sunglass holder.

End of the day, alot of the 90k cars we are talking about are 30k cars with more money in the places that matter. Works for me.
I think if more sporty cars came out with a stripped down "enthusiast edition" like the 370Z, there would be a market for that.

killramos
06-18-2020, 11:51 AM
I think if more sporty cars came out with a stripped down "enthusiast edition" like the 370Z, there would be a market for that.

I largely agree

Mitsu3000gt
06-18-2020, 12:07 PM
It's widely known that the Cadillac CTS-V and ATS-V are a better car then their german counterparts, this is evident when you look at their prices on the used market.

Sales numbers seem to tell a different story. I don't think they were discounting them $20K because they were widely known as better than the Germans - that's the first I have ever heard someone say that. Performance is similar no doubt, but build quality is miles away from something like a C63 or RS5. I almost leased an ATS when they were $299/mo and I think it still had a foot pedal E-brake lol.

Also I think I'd rather have the 90's Malibu center stack controls than the CUE nightmare haha.

I was just surprised at the used prices - I wonder if people are actually buying them for that who don't know what they were selling for new. Maybe it's a "collectors" item now because they don't make them anymore.



Similar year and mileage, the Cadillac will be worth more.

There's a 2017 ATS-V for sale for $49,900 with 31,000 KM. C63's from the same vintage and KM are still in the $75,000 range. :dunno:

Tik-Tok
06-18-2020, 12:21 PM
Sales numbers seem to tell a different story. I don't think they were discounting them $20K because they were widely known as better than the Germans -

I thought they were discounted because that's what domestics do? They overprice their vehicles by $20g, a few suckers buy them at that price, and then they "discount" them.

Looking at the truck market is proof of that. Anyone who pays anywhere close to sticker price on a fully loaded 1/2 ton or any 3/4 ton is an idiot.

Ca_Silvia13
06-18-2020, 12:24 PM
There's a 2017 ATS-V for sale for $49,900 with 31,000 KM. C63's from the same vintage and KM are still in the $75,000 range. :dunno:

Every Caddy depreciates extremely fast. That has been the norm for them for 10+ years

Mitsu3000gt
06-18-2020, 12:26 PM
I thought they were discounted because that's what domestics do? They overprice their vehicles by $20g, a few suckers buy them at that price, and then they "discount" them.

Looking at the truck market is proof of that. Anyone who pays anywhere close to sticker price on a fully loaded 1/2 ton or any 3/4 ton is an idiot.

Sometimes yeah - buying an American truck is like buying a mattress haha - massive discounts are just the norm and there's only a handful of fools who pay full price. In my experience, that has not been the case with many other American vehicles or even other Cadillacs when shopping. They have promotions and such but I didn't see any discounts as big as they had on the "V"series. The truck market seems to be the only one where a ~20% discount off MSRP is often a starting point for negotiations, to my knowledge anyway.

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Every Caddy depreciates extremely fast. That has been the norm for them for 10+ years

I agree. 90_Shelby seems to think otherwise, hence why I went to check to see if I was missing something but it does not appear so. Couldn't find any same year M5 / E63 to compare to the CTS-V, but the Germans are a solid $20K above used ATS-V pricing.

Isn't that why GM almost went bankrupt several years ago? Nobody bought out their leases because GM inflated the residuals to not make their cars of the time look so bad and had to buy back every car way above market price.

max_boost
06-18-2020, 12:39 PM
Why do the handbags I like all cost $500? Also, I won't own a handbag without LV design. At least 50% of beyond are fashion over function people.

$500? What are you rocking? Kate Spade? Coach?

killramos
06-18-2020, 12:40 PM
$500? What are you rocking? Kate Spade? Coach?

He said LV lol