Honda cancels Fit, Civic Coupe and Accord MT

[Xtrema]

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/hondas-cutting-the-fit-civic-coupe-and-stickshift-accord

Sounds like magic seat lives on via HRV.

[vengie]

I can't believe they would get rid of the savage beast and the greatest sport car ever produced (accord 6-6)

Dark Days.

[ExtraSlow]

I'm cancelling my Honda motors fan club subscription. Fuck.
This.
News.

[vengie]

I'm cancelling my Honda motors fan club subscription. Fuck.
This.
News.

On the bright side, our 5MT Fit's have probably just doubled in value.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Pretty much cancelling all the best drivers cars. Sad.

[tonytiger55]

On the bright side, our 5MT Fit's have probably just doubled in value.

Pretty much. I was tracking the 2016 Fits onwards on Kijji and Auto trader. Prices on used ones went up.

[Buster]

Pretty much cancelling all the best drivers cars. Sad.

I've been warning you guys about this for years.

Your days as car hobbyists are numbered. We're all going to be transported in electrified autonomous transportation pods relatively soon.

Thanks TSLA!

[Mitsu3000gt]

The Civic Coupe and Accort 6MT don't surprise me, the writing was on the wall there, but I see a million Fits on the road - they still sell pretty well and it was overhauled for 2020 in other markets. I guess they want people to just buy the HR-V instead in NA.

[ExtraSlow]

I think the fit used to sell in massive numbers, but not the last few years.

[tonytiger55]

The Civic Coupe and Accort 6MT don't surprise me, the writing was on the wall there, but I see a million Fits on the road - they still sell pretty well and it was overhauled for 2020 in other markets. I guess they want people to just buy the HR-V instead in NA.

I thought it would have been more popular in more denser cities like Toronto and Vancouver.
I still think it would be better with a smaller engine and perhaps a turbo.

[finboy]

I've been warning you guys about this for years.

Your days as car hobbyists are numbered. We're all going to be transported in electrified autonomous transportation pods relatively soon.

Thanks TSLA!

And this is why I bought a manual turbo wagon now, gotta enjoy cars while you still can

[Mitsu3000gt]

I think the fit used to sell in massive numbers, but not the last few years.

Fit sales figures have been pretty well unchanged since 2018 at around 35,000 units in the USA and are roughly on track to do about the same in 2020 after ~6 months, maybe slightly less with COVID. In March of this year, they sold well over twice as many as they did in March 2019, then it tapers off presumably due to COVID. Seems like enough to keep a model around but obviously Honda thinks differently haha. The HR-V costs a lot more than a Fit and probably doesn't cost much more for Honda to make, so they are probably trying to push Fit buyers in that direction. That's my guess anyway.

They sell about the same number of Passports as they do Fits and even fewer Ridgelines.

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I still think it would be better with a smaller engine and perhaps a turbo.

That is true of most economy cars :angel: But yeah, the 1.5T in a Fit "sport" or "Si" or something would draw a lot of buyers I would think. There is no other economy car out there that is as practical or spacious that I'm aware of.

[88CRX]

Have a 2012 Fit Sport (hauls ass like a super car) and when we upgrade its straight to an HRV with AWD for winter driving. Wouldn't even consider another small FWD car for winter.

[rage2]

The problem is the obsession with SUVs. The writing was on the wall when even Europe is buying them in droves. Ford stopped making cars for a reason. Car buyers are the exception now. HRV outsells Fit 4:1 or something stupid and the gap keeps widening. Once car buyers accept the reality, they'll either go high end cars (only ones left) if they can afford it, or just drink the SUV koolaid and get an compact SUV for about the same price and realize holy shit I can do so much more with this thing. I'm going to start camping. And biking! Mountain bike sales skyrocket, buy bicycle stocks now.

[vengie]

The problem is the obsession with SUVs. The writing was on the wall when even Europe is buying them in droves. Ford stopped making cars for a reason. Car buyers are the exception now. HRV outsells Fit 4:1 or something stupid and the gap keeps widening. Once car buyers accept the reality, they'll either go high end cars (only ones left) if they can afford it, or just drink the SUV koolaid and get an compact SUV for about the same price and realize holy shit I can do so much more with this thing. I'm going to start camping. And biking! Mountain bike sales skyrocket, buy bicycle stocks now.

Only problem with this logic is I can fit way more cargo in my Fit than I can an HRV.

But I agree with the SUV Koolaid

[killramos]

I've been warning you guys about this for years.

Your days as car hobbyists are numbered. We're all going to be transported in electrified autonomous transportation pods relatively soon.

Thanks TSLA!

Need to switch your hobbies to bicycles and overly hopped craft beers, maybe sprinkle in some artisanal weed.

Everything else fun is going to be illegal within 10-15 years.

[pheoxs]

The problem is the obsession with SUVs. The writing was on the wall when even Europe is buying them in droves. Ford stopped making cars for a reason. Car buyers are the exception now. HRV outsells Fit 4:1 or something stupid and the gap keeps widening. Once car buyers accept the reality, they'll either go high end cars (only ones left) if they can afford it, or just drink the SUV koolaid and get an compact SUV for about the same price and realize holy shit I can do so much more with this thing. I'm going to start camping. And biking! Mountain bike sales skyrocket, buy bicycle stocks now.

Isn't there mandates on fuel economy that brands have to achieve? I would've thought they'd need to pad their lineup with fuel efficient cars to hit those targets. I know new SUVs are getting better but most are still behind cars for fuel economy.

[tonytiger55]

The Fit has a better power to weight ratio too.
I test drove the HRV Manual and it had no oomph in 2nd gear. The CRV gets better fuel mileage than the HRV.

Rage made a interesting perspective on the SUV coolaide. I wonder peoples finances or mismanagement of it plays a part in this.

Ive been going hiking a lot recently and we always take my girlfriends 1.8 Versa. Then my 2.4L Zonda. I also see lots of others with FITS with bike racks on the highway.

To give a perspective. My sister in the UK had a 1.0L Nissan Micra that lasted just under 18 years. She only had to get rid of it because of severe rust. She went up to a Range Rover Evoke(manual, hubby works for Jaguar). Then when the lease was up. She downsized and and bought a VW UP. That has a 1.L engine. She does not bike, but almost every weekend she is taking the kids to the country and different old towns. Its cheap on gas and fine on the highway if your not going anywhere in a hurry. To add, her mortgage is paid off.

I was considering downsizing to the FIT (2015 onwards. 6th gear)after my Zonda CRV. Now that might be out of the window. The next contender was the Cross Trek manual (2018 onwards, 6th gear). But the 2.0 is a bit under powered for that. The new 2.5L wont come in a manual. Im kinda buggered on what to get next.

[Xtrema]

Isn't there mandates on fuel economy that brands have to achieve? I would've thought they'd need to pad their lineup with fuel efficient cars to hit those targets. I know new SUVs are getting better but most are still behind cars for fuel economy.

I thought the game with CAFE is SUV considered as light truck and buys you another 10mpg vs cars.

Plus Trump ease the ramp up of CAFE standard, to what degree I don't recall.

If anything EU's emission/noise law will steer the industry by changing what OEM offers.

[killramos]

Isn't there mandates on fuel economy that brands have to achieve? I would've thought they'd need to pad their lineup with fuel efficient cars to hit those targets. I know new SUVs are getting better but most are still behind cars for fuel economy.

Irrelevant if people don’t buy enough of them to average down your ratings.

HRV is a terrible vehicle and it outselling fit by 4:1 is pretty telling.

[Disoblige]

Woo hoo, long live the existing Fits on the road.
Take extra care of them, fellow Fit owners.
Chantastic: Your KSwap Fit in Blue Raspberry Metallic just got rare. Hope you hold onto that gem for a while!

[88CRX]

Irrelevant if people don’t buy enough of them to average down your ratings.

HRV is a terrible vehicle and it outselling fit by 4:1 is pretty telling.

The Fit drives way better and feels quicker (probably is) then the HRV.

But when the wife wants AWD and ground clearance its HRV>Fit.

[dirtsniffer]

But when the wife wants "AWD" and a higher seating position its HRV>Fit.
FTFY

ok i googled it for two seconds and the hrv does have more ground clearance than a fit.. the HRV has about the same amount as a corolla lol

[Nufy]

How long before my 6-6 is a collectors item??????

[Mitsu3000gt]

The HR-V is basically a less useful and less fun Fit, but it looks more like an SUV and has pseudo-AWD so I think a lot of people are just opting for that instead because most buyers in that price point don't care about performance/fun to drive anyway. Starting price for the HR-V is over $8,000 higher than the Fit and Honda's cost to build it probably barely any different than the Fit, so it's not too surprising they would rather sell HR-Vs. The Fit sales numbers are still very strong alongside the HR-V, but I can see why they might want to push all those people towards the HR-V with their margin being (presumably) way higher.

[2Legit2Quit]

How long before my 6-6 is a collectors item??????

Toss it on bringatrailer ASAP

[rage2]

Isn't there mandates on fuel economy that brands have to achieve? I would've thought they'd need to pad their lineup with fuel efficient cars to hit those targets. I know new SUVs are getting better but most are still behind cars for fuel economy.
That's completely separate. The EU fuel economy mandates are impossible to achieve with ICE even with the most efficient cars, hence the shift towards electrification and hybrids. Car vs SUV is consumer/demand driven shift.

[jwslam]

Only problem with this logic is I can fit way more cargo in my Fit than I can an HRV.
Myth busted by TheStraightPipes
https://youtu.be/8p3QKY-aogI?t=105
https://youtu.be/ZJ_eIDFQ3ko?t=157

[ThePenIsMightier]

I'm cancelling my Honda motors fan club subscription. Fuck.
This.
News.

#MeToo
#CancelCulture

[heavyD]

I'm not a fan of this generation Civic styling but I feel the Civic Si coupe looked cleaner than all other Civic variants. Not really surprising that it's being axed as coupes are a hard sell these days. As for the Fit it's just a bad time for subcompact cars as entry level buyers are flocking to CUV's in droves.

[Swank]

You can have a coupe or a wife, almost never both.

[ShermanEF9]

So my girlfriends 6MT Fit EX-L just got desirable?

[Disoblige]

So my girlfriends 6MT Fit EX-L just got desirable?
Best trim and latest generation Fit with manual? Yup. Good work.
Hope she keeps it for a while as it will hold its value pretty well, especially if mileage isn't too high years down the road.

[tonytiger55]

So my girlfriends 6MT Fit EX-L just got desirable?

Yep pretty much. Ive been looking on Kijji for a while for that spec and its hard to come by at a decent price.

[ShermanEF9]

and to think we were gonna sell it soon...

[Mitsu3000gt]

I wonder if they will can the CTR, too. They sell well but I think they only bring a few thousand to NA each year.

[Xtrema]

I wonder if they will can the CTR, too. They sell well but I think they only bring a few thousand to NA each year.

Rumor is CTR will live on and built in US. For some strange reason, there is all of sudden an urge to push toward 400HP in this segment. Next CTR may adopt the tech in NSX to have electric motors to drive the rears according to latest rumor (which make sense if NSX is not selling well and Honda has contract with OEMs). WRX (I assume STI trim) is also pushing close to 400HP.

[rage2]

Rumor is CTR will live on and built in US. For some strange reason, there is all of sudden an urge to push toward 400HP in this segment. Next CTR may adopt the tech in NSX to have electric motors to drive the rears according to latest rumor (which make sense if NSX is not selling well and Honda has contract with OEMs). WRX (I assume STI trim) is also pushing close to 400HP.
Can't see that happening. That NSX electric motor is an expensive twin motor setup up front, and a motor in between engine and transmission setup just like everything else hybrid out there these days. Neither would be ideal for a Civic's price range.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Rumor is CTR will live on and built in US. For some strange reason, there is all of sudden an urge to push toward 400HP in this segment. Next CTR may adopt the tech in NSX to have electric motors to drive the rears according to latest rumor (which make sense if NSX is not selling well and Honda has contract with OEMs). WRX (I assume STI trim) is also pushing close to 400HP.

I saw those rumors too, I'll be very surprised if they actually do that unless they raise the MSRP significantly which I am not sure is something they want to do. Would be cool though. They also take so much pride in their FWD performance that I can't see them going AWD, but I would welcome it. Hopefully they throw in a DCT while they're at it haha.

[OTown]

and to think we were gonna sell it soon...

Bro its going to be worth 10x that in 10 years! XD

[ThePenIsMightier]

Hopefully they will put all remaining models at one dealership in Southern Alberta and sell them at 80% off in a bankruptcy sale.

[heavyD]

Can't see that happening. That NSX electric motor is an expensive twin motor setup up front, and a motor in between engine and transmission setup just like everything else hybrid out there these days. Neither would be ideal for a Civic's price range.

Yeah I don't believe any of that rumour.

[gpomp]

Can't see that happening. That NSX electric motor is an expensive twin motor setup up front, and a motor in between engine and transmission setup just like everything else hybrid out there these days. Neither would be ideal for a Civic's price range.
What about the setup in the AWD Prius or RAV4 hybrid?

[rage2]

What about the setup in the AWD Prius or RAV4 hybrid?
What does a Toyota drivetrain have anything to do with a Honda Civic? The rumor is that they need to move nsx parts due to low sales, which is ridiculous.

But sure, they could make the CTR hybrid with a simple setup like Toyota and every other new economy hybrid with a single motor for the rear wheels, but that’s adding a lot of costs. If it was cheap to do hybrid, everything would be hybrid right now instead of having to buy credits from Tesla haha.

[Chantastic]

While I am saddened by this news, I am not surprised. Just about everyone I know wants an SUV now for increased winter confidence, and to carry things that they don't believe will fit in a car (like a tiny side table that would have fit in any sedan if you know how to play Tetris). This was my last load in the first gen Fit before I sold it. Long live the Fit!

93273

[heavyD]

Did you remove the passenger seat to fit that?

[vengie]

While I am saddened by this news, I am not surprised. Just about everyone I know wants an SUV now for increased winter confidence, and to carry things that they don't believe will fit in a car (like a tiny side table that would have fit in any sedan if you know how to play Tetris). This was my last load in the first gen Fit before I sold it. Long live the Fit!

93273

I just picked up a fully assembled 4 burner bbq in my fit.
The guy thought I was crazy when I pulled up and said I have plenty of room. :thumbsup:

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Honda Fit is truly the last tow vehicle you will ever need.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YVYztZs/D9-F71150-5-B90-45-B8-A9-D8-A4-B8-F32352-E7.jpg

[ExtraSlow]

Beefy. I approve.

[jwslam]

Did you remove the passenger seat to fit that?
No it folds flat backwards. Not sure if it folds flat forwards like Matrix/Vibe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5oSP4h1Utc

[Chantastic]

Did you remove the passenger seat to fit that?

Nope! I'm sure the passenger seat didn't like it but it worked just fine.

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I just picked up a fully assembled 4 burner bbq in my fit.
The guy thought I was crazy when I pulled up and said I have plenty of room. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup::thumbsup: