TonyTigers PC Build

[tonytiger55]

I missed out on the Xbox Pre-Order... :(

So...Im going with the idea of a gaming PC build instead. Would some of you fine chums be so kind and to have a look over this please?

My budget is $1000 - 1300. Somehow the build got to $1800. :facepalm:
I have watched quite a few build videos on youtube. But its still making my head hurt.

I did this on memory express as thats where I will be ordering from.
I want some future proofing. I want 32G Memory, Ryzen 3600 and a B550 Motherboard. Other than than I do not have a clue on brands of motherboard, graphics card. I have looked online for the this kinda build. But Im still bamboozled. Am I doing it wrong?
Do I add fans..? what kind etc.
What graphics card would you guys recommend in conjunction with a motherboard? Can you recommend something better, cheaper etc
I do want to overclock, so Im not sure if the stock cooler is good enough. I don't know what cooler I would use otherwise. Please recommend.
In terms of a case. I just want front access to USB's etc.
In terms of HDD. I am new to solid state and I do know they have a writing shelf life. So I assume one gets that for the OS and then a standard HD for storage. How big do I go for a HD? 2TB? How big is shit these days?


Configurator Summary
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600 Processor, 3.6GHz w/ 35MB Cache
$279.99

MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS w/ DDR4-3200, 7.1 Audio, Dual M.2, Gigabit LAN, CrossFire
$214.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit (2x 16GB), Black
$164.99

LG 8x SuperMulti DVD±RW Internal Drive
$34.99

EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER SC ULTRA GAMING 6GB PCI-E w/ DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
$349.99

Microsoft Memory Express Windows 10 Home x64 DPK (64-bit) (For Memory Express System Builds Only)
$144.99

Corsair TX Series TX550M Semi-Modular 80+ Gold Power Supply, 550W
$129.99

Memory Express Assemble Hardware
$50.00

Corsair MP600 PCIe v4.0 x4 NVMe M.2 SSD, 500GB
$139.99

Seagate 2TB BarraCuda HDD, SATA III w/ 256MB Cache
$69.99

Thermaltake V100 Mid Tower ATX Computer Case w/ 500W Power Supply, Black
$94.99

Arctic Cooling Freezer 34 CO CPU Cooler
$54.99

Creative Labs Sound BlasterX Kratos S3 2.1 Channel Speaker System
$89.99

$1,819.88

[eglove]

You don't need a sound card so that saves you $80. I'd get a larger power supply to futureproof for a better video card. You don't need a DVD drive unless you're planning to watch DVD's lol. (who burns or uses media nowadays - if you get physical games you'd need a blu ray drive anyways I think) but you'd be using steam/epic anyways for downloading. There's some cheaper ram for the same 3200 speed on the website too

I'd try and get an AIO water cooler too. Keep the sound down and temps marginally lower


edit: oops, my build has 16gb of ram. So add another $80 there

That's what I'm working towards but getting a NZXT H1 case which adds $499

94333

[Mitsu3000gt]

Wait a month if you can, Ryzen 5000 (Zen3) is getting announced early October with very significant gains over the outgoing series. Ryzen CPUs come with coolers so you can save money there if you aren't overclocking.

I'd skip the optical drive unless you absolutely need it. There is no reason to have one these days unless you do something specific that requires it.

You can buy a legit surplus windows key on eBay for like $10, up to you though if you want to go that route but it would save you some money.

I would suggest not cheaping out on the PSU and get something like an EVGA G3. Only $20 more too. I'd bump it up to 650W if you can unless you know you won't be doing any upgrades.

Ryzen CPUs love fast RAM, I can't see the exact specs of the RAM you have but look for CAS 14 timings and minimum 3200Mhz (which you have).

2TB for $69.99 is pretty bad pricing, you should be paying around $20-25/TB for whatever storage drive you buy. Look for a better deal or shuck one from an external drive.

Your case says it comes with a PSU...if it is $95 for a PSU and case, you don't want to use that PSU.

Get this board instead for $10 more: https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX77776

Video card looks fine if that is your budget.

Lastly, run everything through pcpartpicker.com because Memory Express' prices are generally terrible, get them to price match if possible.

That's what I would do anyway.

[The_Rural_Juror]

You don't need the CPU cooler and you can learn to assemble it yourself. I hear that there are legitimate copies of windows on ebay from the people here. I wouldn't know.
Get a wifi mobo and a 1TB NVMe. Budget $300 for LEDs.

[rx7boi]

Grab yourself a 1TB Corsair MX500 SSD from Amazon for $150 instead unless you feel like you need 2TB of space.

For OS, I have the Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2.

[taemo]

+1 on not needing DVD drive and soundcard and a bigger PSU.

btw looks like the case you selected comes with a 500W PSU, maybe select the plain one for 50$.

also you might need to buy additional fans.


if you have a Windows 7 Pro license around, hell I can give you one, you can install it with a downloaded Win 10 Pro ISO from Microsoft lol.


im running WD SN750 SSD on mine, didnt feel the need to go PCie 4x SSDs at this point.

[Mitsu3000gt]

That's not a sound card, it's a speaker system.

[taemo]

That's not a sound card, it's a speaker system.
you're right, as soon as we saw "Creative Labs Sound Blaster" we jumped to conclusion that it was a soundcard, not speakers haha

[The_Rural_Juror]

Those B550 mobos are overpriced imo.

[Mitsu3000gt]

you're right, as soon as we saw "Creative Labs Sound Blaster" we jumped to conclusion that it was a soundcard, not speakers haha

Totally, that name definitely rang a few bells from builds past haha.

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Those B550 mobos are overpriced imo.

Yup. $10 more gets you the one I linked above and happens to be one of the best X570 boards anyway for the price range. Easy decision IMO.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Yup. $10 more gets you the one I linked above and happens to be one of the best X570 boards anyway for the price range. Easy decision IMO.

ATX - ewww.

[spikerS]

I have a logitech 5.1 speaker system here that I am not using. I bought it from a Beyonder a couple years back. Save you some money if you want it. yours for the extremely high price of free.

[dirtsniffer]

Hijack.. why does the 9600k perform better than the 3600x? I though Ryzen was supposed to be better? Can get the i5 right now for $270.
https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX73774.


You'll probably be fine with 16 gb of ram, upgrade later if you need to. Plus the other things, more psu (i'd go modular), larger ssd, no hdd or optical. Put it together yourself.

[benyl]

I went through the same this spring. Budget was $1200 and spent like $2600.

Save yourself the $50 and assemble on your own. They will mount the CPU and Ram for free. Everything else is super easy.

Keep the cooler. I found the stock fan was fucking loud and kept ramping up and down. I ended up with a NH-D15 Chromax black and it is dead silent.

[01RedDX]

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[A790]

I have a dedicated soundcard and recommend it :)

[Mitsu3000gt]

There's a similar spec'd MSI Trident at Visions for $1349, just need to upgrade the RAM to 16gb, you can also haggle with them.

https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/51559/msi_trident_3_i7_9700f_8gb_ram_512gb_ssd_gtx1660_windows_10_home_gaming_desktop?categoryId=1426&sku=9SH-458CA

The issue with prebuilts is they typically have garbage for a PSU and Mobo.

[cyra1ax]

+1 for waiting for Ryzen 4000 series since they're rumored to release within the next month. There's also new video cards from AMD in that same timeline as well, and while we haven't heard anything from Nvidia, there's a chance the 3060 might drop relatively soon too.

[01RedDX]

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[Xtrema]

+1 for waiting for Ryzen 4000 series since they're rumored to release within the next month. There's also new video cards from AMD in that same timeline as well, and while we haven't heard anything from Nvidia, there's a chance the 3060 might drop relatively soon too.

Rumor they may call it 5000 is not to confuse with 4000 series on the laptop. Right now 4000 on laptop = 3000 on desktop.

End of the day, RDNA2 and Ryzen announcement is weeks away. That may disrupt pricing on a lot of the older gen stuff.

[Mitsu3000gt]

That's mostly if you want to upgrade to higher cards later on.

I respectfully disagree. Crappy mobos and PSUs can cause all sorts of issues - they are arguably the two most important components in a PC and the first place prebuilts cheap out on because good ones are expensive and most customers looking at prebuilts don't know anything about PC's and just want a "gaming PC" or whatever, and they only know to pick out key words like "Geforce" and "Intel". That is the typical marketing strategy anyway. If you know exactly what you're getting then fine, but you'll notice on that visions link the PSU and MOBO are conveniently not listed. The second review also comments on the weak PSU, but user reviews have to be taken with a grain of salt.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Why you all hate on the AMD GPUs?

[revelations]

Sounds a little odd but some years ago I started buying PSUs by WEIGHT instead of watts.

So if a 500 watt unit weighs more than a 650 unit (assuming relatively even costs) I will go for the 500W unit. It has to do with the quality of the unit.

Have had exactly 0 PSU failures in 25+ custom builds the last 5 years.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Ah yes. The old Monster headphones trick.
I always thought that it's safe to stick with either Seasonic or Super Flower.

[Kobe]

Wait a month if you can, Ryzen 5000 (Zen3) is getting announced early October with very significant gains over the outgoing series. Ryzen CPUs come with coolers so you can save money there if you aren't overclocking.

I'd skip the optical drive unless you absolutely need it. There is no reason to have one these days unless you do something specific that requires it.

You can buy a legit surplus windows key on eBay for like $10, up to you though if you want to go that route but it would save you some money.

I would suggest not cheaping out on the PSU and get something like an EVGA G3. Only $20 more too. I'd bump it up to 650W if you can unless you know you won't be doing any upgrades.

Ryzen CPUs love fast RAM, I can't see the exact specs of the RAM you have but look for CAS 14 timings and minimum 3200Mhz (which you have).

2TB for $69.99 is pretty bad pricing, you should be paying around $20-25/TB for whatever storage drive you buy. Look for a better deal or shuck one from an external drive.

Your case says it comes with a PSU...if it is $95 for a PSU and case, you don't want to use that PSU.

Get this board instead for $10 more: https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX77776

Video card looks fine if that is your budget.

Lastly, run everything through pcpartpicker.com because Memory Express' prices are generally terrible, get them to price match if possible.

That's what I would do anyway.

Wow thanks for the info, I got a decent PC right now and I've upgraded the ram/video card/power supply/SDD so I only really need a new motherboard/processor but at memx they told me I'll need a new windows 10 CD as well, and thats $140.

Not sure if I should buy a new case as well and sell the old PC or if it's just not even worth it.

Will be buying it on ebay! Thanks!

I was planning on buying the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X or 3700x and a good motherboard for it as well but I was going to buy it during prime days on like Oct 13th.

Hopefully some newer ones gets released or I might just wait a bit and purchase that when the new models get released.

When I purchased my PC, people said the 500W was to weak for the video card but a friend who used to work there said it would be fine (and it was) but I recently upgraded it to the 750w so I can use it in the new PC when I purchase one.

https://i.gyazo.com/4092f18cb8b9e999e9f6ebc8fa96361f.png

Without making a new thread what would the ideal motherboard with the 3900x or 3700x be so I don't have to upgrade it again in a year or two?

Think I'm going to sell this setup (minus the video card, will have a worse one in it, I got a different one anyways now) How much could I really sell this setup for though now a days without a video card (It would have one but I forget which one it after I upgraded, it's not currently installed on my PC)

Purchased this Power Supply: https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX80035 No issues but taking everything apart was a bit of a pain since I've never assembled a PC before till now...

[tonytiger55]

Thanks for the info. I am a bit frustrated to wait another month. Especially going into winter. I don't have anyone around me, especially not being able to go out properly or fly to London. Its going to be a solitary Christmas. Id rather bury my head into something creative and gaming on the side.

I'l play about with this some more.

I thought about building and I have watched a ton of build videos. I am concerned with the things I need (ie anti static kit, cables etc) But this is such a dumb ass question, do the parts come with cables and screws? I have noticed none of the the build videos I watch don't mention this.

Soundblaster LMAO... oh the memories.
I agree on the DVD player. I have some old family videos on DVD and old files on CD. I want to transfer them over and make backup copies. Thats why i'd rather have one.

How many extra fans should I order?

spikerS I might take you on the offer of the speakers.

This is probably a separate networking question.
I have wiring in the walls for my Condo. The main wiring hub is in a wall in my bedroom. This is where the internet comes in. It plugs into a box.

In the living room I have the internet router/modem thing behind my TV. Wiring comes out of the wall, into the modem, Modem hardwire into the TV.

I have a socket in my spare room. Im assuming I would need to get another box to wire from my wall and into my PC? What would I need?
Would I need to do anything at the port of where the internet comes in (bedroom)...?
I'l try and upload pics later.

[Kobe]

Everything I've purchased has come with screws/cables but I also purchased this on amazon to be safe: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07YWL5L5B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If you mean something like this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00A121WN6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It would be fine, just put the main cable into it and get two ethernet cables (one to the PC and one to the box)

You can get them for like $20-$25 this one is just unavailable right now and I purchased it before.

[tonytiger55]

94342

This is the bedroom where the internet comes in.
The current connection leads to living room where it connects to the router.

In the bedroom, I think one of the black cables has to be spliced and connected to a junction box or something.

I guess it would be running anotjer yellow cable out of that box. Into a junction. Then attach whichever room cable.
94343

Would that work or does the signal still need to go through the router in the living room?

[benyl]

Everything you need comes in the boxes.

Covid fucked me over as paid double for a lot of components cause things were out of stock.

I went nuts and did this:

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[The_Rural_Juror]

How many extra fans should I order?


The correct answer is 20ft of LEDs.



This is probably a separate networking question.
I have wiring in the walls for my Condo. The main wiring hub is in a wall in my bedroom. This is where the internet comes in. It plugs into a box.

In the living room I have the internet router/modem thing behind my TV. Wiring comes out of the wall, into the modem, Modem hardwire into the TV.

I have a socket in my spare room. Im assuming I would need to get another box to wire from my wall and into my PC? What would I need?


You can go wireless. Be a ubiquiti whore like killramos.

[Kobe]

94342

This is the bedroom where the internet comes in.
The current connection leads to living room where it connects to the router.

In the bedroom, I think one of the black cables has to be spliced and connected to a junction box or something.

I guess it would be running anotjer yellow cable out of that box. Into a junction. Then attach whichever room cable.
94343

Would that work or does the signal still need to go through the router in the living room?


It should work, that first photo shows your Cat 5 cable, it can be split (Where the white small box is it goes into) or you can split it upstairs whichever works better for you. (you will have 2 places for the cables to go (the main one from your basement) and a free slot as well.

If you split it before though it won't be able to get wifi (it will come from the router) if i'm looking at it correctly.

Where is the PC located? you just buy one of those splitter things which i posted (on amazon for $35 or can get it cheaper)

Looks like Telus?

[jwslam]

Has nobody asked what games this guy is playing yet?

[The_Rural_Juror]

We just assumed it was VR porn.

[jwslam]

Dang. That eXtrAslOw onlyfans got fancy fast...

[cyra1ax]

Dang. That eXtrAslOw onlyfans got fancy fast...

WTF?
First I find out yesterday afternoon that frulling has an OF, now ES has an OF, what's next, rage2 has an OF?!

[BigDL]

Hijack.. why does the 9600k perform better than the 3600x? I though Ryzen was supposed to be better? Can get the i5 right now for $270.
https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX73774.

Single threaded applications it will do a better, however in the long run if you are keeping your computer for a while the extra threads from SMT will help out a lot, especially when multitasking. Biggest reason my i5 2500k had to be replaced.

Another thing was previously and at regular price the 3600 and 3600x was in a really good spot. Solid performance for the price.

But at $90 off right now that is a pretty good deal though. However, the only upgrade path from there in the future would be another 9xxx series and they will probably keep their price up for a while on the used market as it is the last of the processors compatible with that socket. With the 3600/x there is a lot of options for future upgrades

[zechs]

I thought about building and I have watched a ton of build videos. I am concerned with the things I need (ie anti static kit, cables etc) But this is such a dumb ass question, do the parts come with cables and screws? I have noticed none of the the build videos I watch don't mention this.

I've always upgraded my pc's over the years or bought someone else's used gaming rig, but earlier this year in January, I built a brand new rig from the ground up.

It is a rewarding experience, but also a pain. If you are using anything smaller than a fullsize tower, I found routing and wiring to be a bit tiring trying to get things perfect.

There was also a lot of back and forth, I have noctua fans everywhere now as any others I found too loud and had to return. Luckily, 100% of my build was from memex, so swapping/returning/compatibility issues were easily resolved.

Most everything is included, but you will want a high quality phillips screwdriver (or even better, multiple sizes). You also may need some adapter cables depending on the power supply you buy, as well as depending on the drives you run. All of that stuff is in stock at memex though. You do not NEED antistatic kits and anything else, certainly nice to have, but I've never shocked a PC part to the point of damage. They have built in circuitry to handle those events which is very robust nowadays.

I probably spent more time benchmarking and building cpu/gpu/case fan curves to keep temps good while minimizing noise versus the overall build.

Make sure to use a high quality thermal paste. I had memex install the 3600 and stock fan on the board, while handy, regretted it instantly with bad temperatures.

The rig is now silent after buying a AIO 280mm cooler that I put noctua fans on. 3600 and a Vega 56, works flawlessly (vega 56 was a new purchase back in 2019 that I didn't get around to installing). I still have not seen a need for more than 16gb of ram, and if you want to get really crazy, there are some good youtube channels and videos about how to optimize ram settings.

Use https://ca.pcpartpicker.com to source all your parts and watch for deals. I got everything at rock bottom prices, and memex will price match.

[Mitsu3000gt]

If you are going to get a separate paste, this stuff wins all the objective testing:

https://www.amazon.ca/Thermal-Grizzly-Kryonaut-Grease-Paste/dp/B011F7W3LU/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-drs-ajax1_0?crid=2IIR1ES4BKKFJ&cv_ct_cx=thermal+grizzly+kryonaut&dchild=1&keywords=thermal+grizzly+kryonaut&pd_rd_i=B011F7W3LU&pd_rd_r=f2453525-a721-42d1-90e5-e8c8d130859d&pd_rd_w=73RWI&pd_rd_wg=DcjdO&pf_rd_p=8265b151-560f-440d-99fe-dd8921246a8e&pf_rd_r=06VPNVKDJKGWZFSXDSSM&psc=1&qid=1601056189&sprefix=thermal+gri%2Caps%2C189&sr=1-1-25b07e09-600a-4f0d-816e-b06387f8bcf1

[cyra1ax]

Watch this for what NOT to do while building a PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vmQOO4WLI4

[msommers]

Made it through 5 seconds of that garbage. Yikes

[Mitsu3000gt]

The Verge is the last place anyone should be going for any reviews or information. It seems like they hire literally anyone to be the resident "specialist" on whatever it is they are trying to promote at the time. If you watch any of their reviews or read any of their articles, you can tell their "expertise" is extremely shallow and they talk like all they have done is quickly scanned the marketing materials of whatever it is they are reviewing.

Their reaction to that PC build video also could not have been worse - classic Streisand effect. Also, how did nobody else at Verge watch that video before it was posted and catch that disaster. I find it all to be very strange.

At least now there are some great memes about it haha - many involving the absurd amount of thermal paste used.

[The_Rural_Juror]

What's up with using Chinese ear wax remover tools to spread thermal paste? I was always of the single point method.

[Mitsu3000gt]

What's up with using Chinese ear wax remover tools to spread thermal paste? I was always of the single point method.

The best method, objectively, is a thinly spread layer. Good compounds like Kryonaut come with a tool for this similar to a miniature spatula. That method guarantees complete coverage and leaves no room for error if the "blob" or "X" or whatever you made with the paste doesn't spread as planned when the cooler is screwed down. That being said, there often isn't huge differences in thermals between the various methods, unless you use way too much - that is the worst thing you can do. Worse yet, some CPUs have exposed transistors right beside the CPU on the die (i.e. Skylake-X), so if any excess conductive material spills out due to over application, you will wreck your CPU (more of an issue with liquid metals).

Your CPU IHS and the bottom of your chosen cooler are not 100% flat, that is the reason for the paste. The goal is simply to fill in those gaps to bring the contact between those two plates as close to 100% as possible.

[nzwasp]

I will build it for you if no one else has offered. Also I have a USB DVD player you can borrow to put all your dvds on your pc.

[The_Rural_Juror]

I will build it for you if no one else has offered. Also I have a USB DVD player you can borrow to put all your dvds on your pc.

Let's see your thermal paste technique first.

[nzwasp]

I just put a glove on and use my finger.

[tonytiger55]

It should work, that first photo shows your Cat 5 cable, it can be split (Where the white small box is it goes into) or you can split it upstairs whichever works better for you. (you will have 2 places for the cables to go (the main one from your basement) and a free slot as well.

If you split it before though it won't be able to get wifi (it will come from the router) if i'm looking at it correctly.

Where is the PC located? you just buy one of those splitter things which i posted (on amazon for $35 or can get it cheaper)

Looks like Telus?

I ended up buying a crimpler tool and a bag of cat 5 ends. After a few youtube vids I am now a expert.
I have four Cat5 outlets in my condo. Yet there were 6-7 wires(?). I hve no idea where the others go. It was a process of elimination in working out which cable went to my office. I then moved my router (from the living room) to the modem area pictured above and cleaned up the wiring. I have a hardwire to my office now.

I went to Memory express and got the parts list. I will probably order later this week. Prime day is two weeks away... its making me scratch my head now.
Also what is wrong with memory express adding the stock cooler to the cpu? They said they do that for me for free.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Aren't you using an after market cooler? I suppose you could mount an after market cooler over the stock cooler to have double the cooling. I don't know if your case is savage enough for that truck though. If not, memex can recommend you a totally savage case.

[tonytiger55]

Aren't you using an after market cooler? I suppose you could mount an after market cooler over the stock cooler to have double the cooling. I don't know if your case is savage enough for that truck though. If not, memex can recommend you a totally savage case.

I decided to go stock for now.

[The_Rural_Juror]

That's totally not savage at all.

[dirtsniffer]

If you're going to overclock you may as well just get the cooler noe

[The_Rural_Juror]

I just put a glove on and use my finger.

I use my tongue.

[zechs]

Also what is wrong with memory express adding the stock cooler to the cpu? They said they do that for me for free.

They use the cheap thermal compound. On top of that, the stock cooler is loud as hell.

Highly suggest a coolermaster hyper evo 12 at minimum. They are so cheap, and for anything besides max overclocking, are tough to beat.

[The_Rural_Juror]

I bought my AIO purely for the LEDs. Would totally switch to a Noctua now that I am grown up.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I went to Memory express and got the parts list. I will probably order later this week. Prime day is two weeks away... its making me scratch my head now.
Also what is wrong with memory express adding the stock cooler to the cpu? They said they do that for me for free.

1) Make sure you use pcpartpicker and give them a list of price beats. Memex prices are often the worst.

2) If you let them mount your cooler, you will almost certainly have worse thermals.

AMD actually includes thermal paste with their stock coolers, but what you want is good paste like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. It's very cheap and makes a significant difference.

[tonytiger55]

1) Make sure you use pcpartpicker and give them a list of price beats. Memex prices are often the worst.

2) If you let them mount your cooler, you will almost certainly have worse thermals.

AMD actually includes thermal paste with their stock coolers, but what you want is good paste like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. It's very cheap and makes a significant difference.

I used partpicker. There was a small difference. I mean there were some savings. One Memx was cheaper. But thak for the tip. I'l get them to match.
That being said, I had a look and saw a Memx had a combo deal (CPU and MB):
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600 Processor Bundle w/ ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Motherboard. I save around $70 going with that motherboard instead. That MB decent?
or up the CPU for this deal combo:
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600XT Processor Bundle w/ ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (Wi-Fi) Motherboard.

As for the thermal compound. Thanks for that link. But I dont want to order from Amazon and wait. Are the Cooler Master thermal paste or any others at Memx decent? I'd just rather get everything there in one go.

I still am trying to wrap my head around the graphic cards. The GeForce RTX 2060 OC 6GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, Triple DP is on sale there, it would cost me a extra $20. Worth it?

[pheoxs]

I used partpicker. There was a small difference. I mean there were some savings. One Memx was cheaper. But thak for the tip. I'l get them to match.
That being said, I had a look and saw a Memx had a combo deal (CPU and MB):
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600 Processor Bundle w/ ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Motherboard. I save around $70 going with that motherboard instead. That MB decent?
or up the CPU for this deal combo:
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600XT Processor Bundle w/ ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (Wi-Fi) Motherboard.

As for the thermal compound. Thanks for that link. But I dont want to order from Amazon and wait. Are the Cooler Master thermal paste or any others at Memx decent? I'd just rather get everything there in one go.

I still am trying to wrap my head around the graphic cards. The GeForce RTX 2060 OC 6GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, Triple DP is on sale there, it would cost me a extra $20. Worth it?

The next gen of Ryzen is being unveiled October 8th and will likely be out almost right after... I'd just hold off 2 weeks and see what happens.

[zechs]

I used partpicker. There was a small difference. I mean there were some savings. One Memx was cheaper. But thak for the tip. I'l get them to match.
That being said, I had a look and saw a Memx had a combo deal (CPU and MB):
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600 Processor Bundle w/ ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Motherboard. I save around $70 going with that motherboard instead. That MB decent?
or up the CPU for this deal combo:
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600XT Processor Bundle w/ ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (Wi-Fi) Motherboard.

As for the thermal compound. Thanks for that link. But I dont want to order from Amazon and wait. Are the Cooler Master thermal paste or any others at Memx decent? I'd just rather get everything there in one go.

I still am trying to wrap my head around the graphic cards. The GeForce RTX 2060 OC 6GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, Triple DP is on sale there, it would cost me a extra $20. Worth it?

Unless there are bad reviews of a board, they are all mostly good nowadays. Either the TUF or STRIX lines are good.

I would not waste money on a 3600XT. Get a 3600, undervolt, and overclock it a bit if you care. CPU's are so understressed for gaming nowadays, throw more money at a GPU IMO.

Thermal compound, certain types of Coolermaster compound is better than others. Its confusing as fuck. Pheoxs is correct, grizzly is the best. Just order it now with next day shipping off amazon, problem solved.

I would seriously hold off on GPU until the ampere 3060 is announced. I would not buy a 2060 at this time. If you are jonesing to play a game, buy a dirt cheap used 1060 to get you by while you wait.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I used partpicker. There was a small difference. I mean there were some savings. One Memx was cheaper. But thak for the tip. I'l get them to match.
That being said, I had a look and saw a Memx had a combo deal (CPU and MB):
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600 Processor Bundle w/ ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Motherboard. I save around $70 going with that motherboard instead. That MB decent?
or up the CPU for this deal combo:
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600XT Processor Bundle w/ ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (Wi-Fi) Motherboard.

As for the thermal compound. Thanks for that link. But I dont want to order from Amazon and wait. Are the Cooler Master thermal paste or any others at Memx decent? I'd just rather get everything there in one go.

I still am trying to wrap my head around the graphic cards. The GeForce RTX 2060 OC 6GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, Triple DP is on sale there, it would cost me a extra $20. Worth it?

I still stand by what I said in my first post that you really should wait a month on all of this if at all possible. Ryzen 5000 (announced Oct 8, should be available soon after) is going to be a huge performance/dollar increase and it's just around the corner. Right now is arguably the worst possible time to build a PC because on the AMD side you have a huge generational performance bump only weeks away, and on the Intel side they are still recycling their 6 year old Skylake garbage, soon to be replaced by Rocket Lake in 2021. On the GPU side, Ampere just got announced and the 2XXX series of GPUs was the most underwhelming series in a long time. You would be essentially doubling down on all the lowest value items and locking them in for years, all for the sake of a matter of weeks.

Also, if you wait just a little bit longer, not only will you get the benefit of seeing what AMD's new GPUs bring to the table, but something like the 3060 might be available for you as well.

Waiting would also give you time to survey the Amazon Prime days, which it seemed like you wanted to do.

That ASUS B550 board isn't bad but the X570 TUF board I linked is better and also gets you the X570 chipset for a very good price (it's on sale too). I would stick with that one unless you are running over budget. The money you save not buying Windows from Memory Express pays for the better mobo and then some. PSU and Mobo are the two main areas you do not want to cheap out on.

Not sure how much of a rush you're in but you only would have to wait until Friday for the thermal compound from Amazon and that's a pretty important part of any build. It's the only one I use and wins all the objective testing that I have seen.

I think you are going to regret not waiting just a little bit longer when you see how much better everything is for the same price and in such a short amount of time. Unless this is an emergency I would strongly suggest not buying a PC right now.

[A790]

^^ this x 100.

Wait the 5 weeks. You'll regret it if you don't.

[cyra1ax]

+5648945618 for waiting a few weeks.
Also, there's this monstrosity of a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit#gid=2112472504) to help you figure out what motherboard is good and which ones you should pass on.
I think there's another list somewhere...might take me a while to find it.

[Mitsu3000gt]

That's a good spreadsheet.

To save yourself some time, the go-to 'mainstream' boards for X570 are the Gigabyte Aorus Elite and the Asus TUF X570. The primary difference is the Gigabyte has a better LAN controller (Intel) however at the prices the TUF boards are at currently on sale, I would go that route on a budget.

[tonytiger55]

I still stand by what I said in my first post that you really should wait a month on all of this if at all possible. Ryzen 5000 (announced Oct 8, should be available soon after) is going to be a huge performance/dollar increase and it's just around the corner. Right now is arguably the worst possible time to build a PC because on the AMD side you have a huge generational performance bump only weeks away, and on the Intel side they are still recycling their 6 year old Skylake garbage, soon to be replaced by Rocket Lake in 2021. On the GPU side, Ampere just got announced and the 2XXX series of GPUs was the most underwhelming series in a long time. You would be essentially doubling down on all the lowest value items and locking them in for years, all for the sake of a matter of weeks.

Also, if you wait just a little bit longer, not only will you get the benefit of seeing what AMD's new GPUs bring to the table, but something like the 3060 might be available for you as well.

Waiting would also give you time to survey the Amazon Prime days, which it seemed like you wanted to do.

That ASUS B550 board isn't bad but the X570 TUF board I linked is better and also gets you the X570 chipset for a very good price (it's on sale too). I would stick with that one unless you are running over budget. The money you save not buying Windows from Memory Express pays for the better mobo and then some. PSU and Mobo are the two main areas you do not want to cheap out on.

Not sure how much of a rush you're in but you only would have to wait until Friday for the thermal compound from Amazon and that's a pretty important part of any build. It's the only one I use and wins all the objective testing that I have seen.

I think you are going to regret not waiting just a little bit longer when you see how much better everything is for the same price and in such a short amount of time. Unless this is an emergency I would strongly suggest not buying a PC right now.

Thanks for the detailed response Mitsu. I appreciate it.
I can wait(I don't want to). I wont deny but it is incredibly frustrating. I have been off sick for the last two weeks and Im going nutts. I don't want to be non PC/gaming coming this November/ xmas.
I open this up for discussion. I guess my position is at what point does one do a technology cut off and buy? I remember having this discussion back in 1998 when I got my first PC for university. I had that thing running till 2007.

I was planning to get something earlier this year, laptop vs PC build. Then prices went wonky. .
There is even a video online that I watched today. It was posted four months ago and it was a video talking aboyt not to buy as prices are high.
Now finally I got some put together for specs after watching got knows how many boring tech videos. Then there is a CPU jump coming October 8th. Rumours for release end of October or early next year. Does one wait till then..? But then what about cost? Then ones has cyber monday coming (Nov 30th). So when does one cut off?
I have watched videos on the increased cores etc. But by the time that is really utilized, would one not be buying a new PC at that point as there would be something else out by then?

The other question I have is, when there is a tech jump. With the lag time in game/software development. Is that increase in power really getting used right away?
At Memx the sales rep did not advise overclocking as the gains are only 2%. Is he correct? I dont get how this got so complicated. The memx sale for some of those prices end October 1st.
If anyone can add to this discussion I'd be grateful as Im finding non of the online tech videos answering these questions. A lot of them talk about spec but dont really provide anything in applied real world applications.

If I had to explain it in car terms it would be this.
I used to have a end model MK4 Golf GTI. Then the MK5 came out. Was the gain that much better to justify the cost? I did not think so. With the aftermarket stuff and prices I'd say its better to keep the MK4 GTI and boost it to Stage 3.
So in computing terms is the Ryzen 5000 that much better in applied computing terms and not just specs?

[dirtsniffer]

I wouldn't trust people at memex anymore unfortunately.

Very old example, but my i5 3750k, had a base clock of 3.4 ghz, witha factory boost to 3.9 or 4.1. Running now at 4.5.

[zechs]

. I guess my position is at what point does one do a technology cut off and buy?


Gaming isn't cpu limited. Its gpu limited.

Futureproofing is bullshit, there is no such thing. Computer tech is replaced every year or two years with better.

If anything, I'd try to make sure the architecture I supported had an upgrade path that didn't require replacing major components to do a simple upgrade.

My point? There is no "good" time to buy except one could maybe argue Black Friday/Cyber Monday/Boxing day sales.

As I mentioned, I built a PC in January. The price of the components have not really dropped throughout the entire year. This same thing happened when I bought my last PC as well.

My last computer, ran it for 5 years, no issues with 1080p gaming the entire time. If I wanted higher settings, I upgraded the GPU.

Only other suggestion is that once again, I will stress, paying tons of money for top tier equipment is silly. Just like buying the best of the best SSD is a waste unless you are a power user, same goes for mobo etc. Realistically, you will never enter bios settings again after initial setup, so as long as the board has the features you want, call it a day. Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed, sure the info about VRM and other features of various other equipment is great and all, but unlikely to affect the vast majority (including gamers).

Find stuff that has good performance/$$$ value. Buy it, save some cash, run a good rig for years that was cheap. Rinse and repeat.

[nzwasp]

Gaming isn't cpu limited. Its gpu limited.

Futureproofing is bullshit, there is no such thing. Computer tech is replaced every year or two years with better.

If anything, I'd try to make sure the architecture I supported had an upgrade path that didn't require replacing major components to do a simple upgrade.

My point? There is no "good" time to buy except one could maybe argue Black Friday/Cyber Monday/Boxing day sales.

As I mentioned, I built a PC in January. The price of the components have not really dropped throughout the entire year. This same thing happened when I bought my last PC as well.

My last computer, ran it for 5 years, no issues with 1080p gaming the entire time. If I wanted higher settings, I upgraded the GPU.

Only other suggestion is that once again, I will stress, paying tons of money for top tier equipment is silly. Just like buying the best of the best SSD is a waste unless you are a power user, same goes for mobo etc. Realistically, you will never enter bios settings again after initial setup, so as long as the board has the features you want, call it a day. Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed, sure the info about VRM and other features of various other equipment is great and all, but unlikely to affect the vast majority (including gamers).

Find stuff that has good performance/$$$ value. Buy it, save some cash, run a good rig for years that was cheap. Rinse and repeat.

To reiterate this, I am running an i7 from 2012 but my graphics card is a 1050Ti and it runs most games fine. However if budget is a real issue how are you going to afford the games themselves?

Surely you can just wait a few weeks to save some $$ and in the mean time play the ever popular steam game "Among US" on your phone

[Mitsu3000gt]

Thanks for the detailed response Mitsu. I appreciate it.
I can wait(I don't want to). I wont deny but it is incredibly frustrating. I have been off sick for the last two weeks and Im going nutts. I don't want to be non PC/gaming coming this November/ xmas.
I open this up for discussion. I guess my position is at what point does one do a technology cut off and buy? I remember having this discussion back in 1998 when I got my first PC for university. I had that thing running till 2007.

No problem I hope I am helping.

I know its super frustrating, but if you buy something now you will be happy for a few days until you see what gets announced, then you will just wish you had waited. You could look into a game streaming service like GeforceNow or Stadia to tide you over and eliminate the current hardware limitations, but I realize that isn't ideal.

The best time to buy PC gear from a value/longevity standpoint is typically immediately after a huge generational leap, because you get the biggest possible uplift from the prior generation, and the next update you know will only be incremental so upgrading then won't provide you with nearly as much value. In the PC tech world, that's about as much time as you can guarantee yourself so we're coming up on a best case scenario. This usually means an architecture change or process node change (i.e. 14nm --> 7nm or whatever). Here you are getting a particularly large architecture update compared to Ryzen 3000/Zen2. Zen 3 isn't getting a node shrink (Zen 2 was already on 7nm) but it will be built on the updated 7nm+ node so there is still some improvement there too. On top of all this, Nvidia also did the same thing this year (biggest generational update since 2004) so you are primed and ready for the best time to buy a full PC in a very long time with coinciding generational leaps on both the PC and GPU front. Even more, PCI 4.0 SSDs are becoming more mainstream which you can take advantage with AMD, though depending on what you do you won't notice a difference. At least you'll have the slot for future compatibility.



was planning to get something earlier this year, laptop vs PC build. Then prices went wonky. .
There is even a video online that I watched today. It was posted four months ago and it was a video talking aboyt not to buy as prices are high.
Now finally I got some put together for specs after watching got knows how many boring tech videos. Then there is a CPU jump coming October 8th. Rumours for release end of October or early next year. Does one wait till then..? But then what about cost? Then ones has cyber monday coming (Nov 30th). So when does one cut off?
I have watched videos on the increased cores etc. But by the time that is really utilized, would one not be buying a new PC at that point as there would be something else out by then?

The Ryzen 5000 stuff should all be released at the same MSRPs as Ryzen 3000 (on their launch day) for the equivalent part.

I wouldn't hold out on Black Friday / Cyber Monday too much. 99% of those deals aren't even deals, they just manipulate the MSRP to make it look like discounts are higher. You might find the odd thing on sale but I would not wait for that personally, especially if you're this excited to get something done.

Core utilization depends on the game or the application. Some games like cores, some only use one. Most creative applications use multiple cores. Games are more and more adding multi-core support, and adding cores lets you do other stuff while gaming such as running a download in the background, streaming, listening to music, etc. without any slowdown. There is no real downside these days, and if you're looking at the 6c/12t products, that's right in the sweet spot for value. Core utilization is only going to go up as things mature.


The other question I have is, when there is a tech jump. With the lag time in game/software development. Is that increase in power really getting used right away?
At Memx the sales rep did not advise overclocking as the gains are only 2%. Is he correct? I dont get how this got so complicated. The memx sale for some of those prices end October 1st.
If anyone can add to this discussion I'd be grateful as Im finding non of the online tech videos answering these questions. A lot of them talk about spec but dont really provide anything in applied real world applications.

You should see most of the gains immediately (early leaked benchmarks are already showing this), and when things are optimized you will probably get another small bump. I wouldn't expect anything too dramatic compared to when you first get it, but it *should* only get better. With graphics cards, sometimes you can see substantial gains with driver updates or game updates if something is really poorly optimized to begin with.

As for Memory Express, assume everything they tell you is automatically false. What's funny is that the 3600XT you were looking at is actually one of the best overclocking Ryzen CPUs in the whole lineup, he pulled that 2% out of his ass. People are getting reliable OC's at ~4.6GHz on all cores with pretty modest voltage and good temps (base clock is 3.8GHz). Measuring from base, that is over 20%.

Their employees have told me all sorts of things over the years and they just say whatever might get them the sale. It's really gone sharply downhill from the good ol' days where they had a hole-in-the-wall shop, knowledgeable staff and good prices. They probably told you it wouldn't OC to get you to buy something more expensive. They told me I couldn't run an 8700K stock without water cooling lol. Anything for that commission...


If I had to explain it in car terms it would be this.
I used to have a end model MK4 Golf GTI. Then the MK5 came out. Was the gain that much better to justify the cost? I did not think so. With the aftermarket stuff and prices I'd say its better to keep the MK4 GTI and boost it to Stage 3.
So in computing terms is the Ryzen 5000 that much better in applied computing terms and not just specs?

I don't know how tight your budget is, but the discounts aren't that amazing right now. You would save a bit of money but IMO not proportionate to the performance you would lose by upgrading a matter of weeks before such a significant redesign on both the CPU and GPU fronts. To continue your analogy, in my mind it would be more like going from a MK4 GTI to a MK5 Golf R for only a tiny premium. You are getting two generational leaps (CPU & GPU). In another year where you would simply getting refinements of existing products, then yeah I would just spend a few bucks to flash the ECU for a few more HP :)

[ExtraSlow]

Chasing the cutting edge is a fools game. Build something "good" and run it a few years, and don't worry so much.
Did anyone post the falcon guides? https://www.logicalincrements.com/

Use that, and PC part picker, and shopbot, and then price-match with MemoryExpress, and you will do really well.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Gaming isn't cpu limited. Its gpu limited.


This comment just needs to be qualified that it depends on resolution. 720P/1080P gaming is heavily CPU limited, 1440P much less so, and 4K+ pretty much not at all.

[zechs]

This comment just needs to be qualified that it depends on resolution. 720P/1080P gaming is heavily CPU limited, 1440P much less so, and 4K+ pretty much not at all.

Most people do not have a 120+hz monitor. So while you are technically correct, once again, to anyone short of a power user, it simply.doesn't matter. Lots of people with 1440p monitors and 4k TVs though. And max settings at 1080p on a modern game will still drag down a system based more.on gpu vs cpu. Powerful gpu is going to give you more consistent performance, which is really what any casual should be concerned about.

So unless he is a pro rocket league player, cpu is irrelevant. No difference going from a oc'd 4670k to a 3600, but certainly a performance step with a better gpu.

Another thing you are forgetting in telling him to wait, is availability. There won't be any for the products you suggest, just like there isn't right now for ampere, and just like there wasn't earlier this year for ryzen cpus, memory, and boards.

I don't see any of the coming announcements to be any different.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Most people do not have a 120+hz monitor. So while you are technically correct, once again, to anyone short of a power user, it simply.doesn't matter. Lots of people with 1440p monitors and 4k TVs though. And max settings at 1080p on a modern game will still drag down a system based more.on gpu vs cpu. Powerful gpu is going to give you more consistent performance, which is really what any casual should be concerned about.

So unless he is a pro rocket league player, cpu is irrelevant. No difference going from a oc'd 4670k to a 3600, but certainly a performance step with a better gpu.

Another thing you are forgetting in telling him to wait, is availability. There won't be any for the products you suggest, just like there isn't right now for ampere, and just like there wasn't earlier this year for ryzen cpus, memory, and boards.

I don't see any of the coming announcements to be any different.


Can you share your source for monitor refresh rate popularity statistics? According to recent Steam surveys, only about 10% of their client base are gaming above 1080P, and I would bet a lot of those people have chosen to stay at such low resolutions because they are above 60Hz. Higher refresh rate 1080P monitors are dirt cheap and available to virtually anyone at this point. I think you might be underestimating the amount of gamers who have chosen to go beyond 60Hz as it is so accessible these days but if you have a source that shows otherwise I would be curious to see it. The few surveys I have seen are littered with user complaints saying the software is reporting the incorrect refresh rate as it seems to just grab the desktop refresh rate of 60Hz.

As for future availability, I am not sure how you can be so sure about something that nobody could possibly know. All we really know for sure is the launch dates, and that AMD has promised to not have the same issues as Nvidia on launch, so hopefully that ends up being true. So you're right, I didn't mention something nobody could possibly have reliable information on at this time. What I can say for sure is I built a few Ryzen-based gaming PCs for people earlier this year and had zero issues sourcing any of the parts.

[tonytiger55]

Thats a good point. I have two old Dell monitors right now. Im going to need two new monitors after the build. But that is a discussion for later as I can't type right now, I just ate chicken fingers and fries from Costco and I am regretting my decision as the food festers inside of me.

[The_Rural_Juror]

You should totally build your PC now. Greasy fingers are a good insulator.

[scboss]

Like said above wait!!!! lol

Worst case the new AMD cpu is $$$$ and you get a 3 series for cheap. Best case and most probable new cpu is same price and you get something far superior.

The last few months have been a terrible time to build a pc because all the old stuff is not cheap and the new stuff is right around the corner for the same price (or less).

EDIT

Also for 350 you might be able to swing a solid deal for a 2 series gpu if you hold out. Ive seen 2070 supers for that price used. im sure once prices drop for amd gpu's its gonna lower used market and new last gen (20 series) even more.

[The_Rural_Juror]

NZXT H510 on sale for $85. Good case.
https://www.amazon.ca/NZXT-H510-Compact-Mid-Tower-Tempered/dp/B07TC76671/ref=sr_1_2?crid=6G70QI3VK2KP&dchild=1&keywords=nzxt+h510&qid=1601646620&sprefix=nzxt+%2Caps%2C189&sr=8-2

[Kobe]

NZXT H510 on sale for $85. Good case.
https://www.amazon.ca/NZXT-H510-Compact-Mid-Tower-Tempered/dp/B07TC76671/ref=sr_1_2?crid=6G70QI3VK2KP&dchild=1&keywords=nzxt+h510&qid=1601646620&sprefix=nzxt+%2Caps%2C189&sr=8-2

Okay i'll bite, thanks

https://i.gyazo.com/2c86efafa9fe71918b872ddd11243eb3.png

[The_Rural_Juror]

Okay i'll bite, thanks

https://i.gyazo.com/2c86efafa9fe71918b872ddd11243eb3.png

There was a 750w Seasonic Semi Modular Gold for $135 earlier today too.

[Kobe]

There was a 750w Seasonic Semi Modular Gold for $135 earlier today too.

Ahh Already purchased a 750w power supply a couple weeks ago for like $190

Going to use it all in the new PC I build, just need a motherboard and processor still.

Going to wait till prime days or the new models..

[tonytiger55]

Ahh Already purchased a 750w power supply a couple weeks ago for like $190

Going to use it all in the new PC I build, just need a motherboard and processor still.

Going to wait till prime days or the new models..

What are you building?(Specs, budget?)

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[Kobe]

What are you building?(Specs, budget?)



Hahaha I don't know I got all of this so far

https://i.gyazo.com/d034d765eea7facf6258c8aa7b8411f5.png

I'll wait for prime days or for a sale for the CPU/Motherboard but prob just buy the 3900x so I don't have to worry about it for a few years again..

Then might sell the setup I currently got or just keep it, undecided about that still.. Budget I guess under $1,000 Max more for the CPU/Motherboard.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Ryzen 5000 announcement is today at 10AM. Hoping for at least confirmation they will be adding a 16core SKU later like with the 3000 series.

19% IPC gain over Zen2, and 24% performance per watt uplift, nice.

5900X 12 core part will boost to 4.8Ghz and TDP is 105W.

5950X 16 core part 4.9 Ghz, 72MB cache, 105W.

I imagine a 5Ghz all core OC will be easy, but we will see.

Looks like they set a new single core Cinebench record as well for stock CPUs.

[eglove]

94601

Holy F

[pheoxs]

5800x is such a awkward price point but I know they're doing it to try and profit more off it over the others.

5800x is 150$ more than a 5600x for 2 addditional cores but also the 5800x doesn't come with a cpu cooler while the 5600x does, so another 50$ for that.

500 USD for 8 cores vs 300$ for 6 cores is hard to justify the value. I wanted to go 5800x but...thats just so little return for a hefty bump (espcially once it becomes CAD). Meanwhile the 100$ bump to the 5900x gets you 4 more cores ... such weird choice of price.

[Chandler_Racing]

^ Agreed. Was expecting them to slot something in the middle of the 5600 and 5800 and then they announced a 5950...

That said for the CPU intensive games (league of legends, CS:GO, etc.) pretty impressive uplift over the 10900.

Might finally make sense to buy AMD for gaming.

[Mitsu3000gt]

5800x is such a awkward price point but I know they're doing it to try and profit more off it over the others.

5800x is 150$ more than a 5600x for 2 addditional cores but also the 5800x doesn't come with a cpu cooler while the 5600x does, so another 50$ for that.

500 USD for 8 cores vs 300$ for 6 cores is hard to justify the value. I wanted to go 5800x but...thats just so little return for a hefty bump (espcially once it becomes CAD). Meanwhile the 100$ bump to the 5900x gets you 4 more cores ... such weird choice of price.


None of the 105W parts are getting coolers this time around because AMD's market research revealed that virtually nobody was using them. Makes sense for the enthusiast chips I think.

5600X and 5900X (or future 5700) will be the best value entry points overall IMO.

I have a 5950X on pre-order, looks to be everything I was hoping it would be.

- - - Updated - - -


Might finally make sense to buy AMD for gaming.

Above 720P/1080P, AMD was often the better choice even within the 3XXX series, depending on the specific title and resolution. The performance variances were usually in the single digits between AMD and Intel, only you got all the other benefits of the extra cores for everything else. The 5XXX series should hopefully make it the obvious choice across the board for gaming and AMD has been the clear winner for workstation/productivity for at least a couple years now.

[pheoxs]

None of the 105W parts are getting coolers this time around because AMD's market research revealed that virtually nobody was using them. Makes sense for the enthusiast chips I think.

5600X and 5900X (or future 5700) will be the best value entry points overall IMO.

I have a 5950X on pre-order, looks to be everything I was hoping it would be.

Yeah, I know why they did it, but the fact that the 5800x price isn't midway between the 5900x and 5600x is pretty disappointing. It has the worst $/core value of all the processors. Though still better value than intel chips.

Where did you pre-order from? I want a 5600x asap.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Yeah, I know why they did it, but the fact that the 5800x price isn't midway between the 5900x and 5600x is pretty disappointing. It has the worst $/core value of all the processors. Though still better value than intel chips.

Where did you pre-order from? I want a 5600x asap.

Pricing will probably even out a bit after the early adopters have a go at it. I wonder if they think the 5800X will be the top seller, so they made it a bit more expensive. To your point though, the value is so much better than Intel they can kind of do whatever they want.

I just called memory express when they opened at 11 and they put my name on a list but didn't have any official pre-order available until they get the SKUs from AMD.

USA availability is Nov 5 so I am hoping for later that month in Canada.

[pheoxs]

Pricing will probably even out a bit after the early adopters have a go at it. I wonder if they think the 5800X will be the top seller, so they made it a bit more expensive. To your point though, the value is so much better than Intel they can kind of do whatever they want.

I just called memory express when they opened at 11 and they put my name on a list but didn't have any official pre-order available until they get the SKUs from AMD.

USA availability is Nov 5 so I am hoping for later that month in Canada.

Yeah 5800x was definitely going to be the popular choice but this might push people to the 5600x instead I'd guess. At least it is for me.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Yeah 5800x was definitely going to be the popular choice but this might push people to the 5600x instead I'd guess. At least it is for me.

If your games are primarily single threaded, the 5600X will be plenty if you don't do much else with the PC. If you want to get into MS Flight Simulator or something, start saving for a 5950X lol.

[pheoxs]

If your games are primarily single threaded, the 5600X will be plenty if you don't do much else with the PC. If you want to get into MS Flight Simulator or something, start saving for a 5950X lol.

Coming from a 6600k anything will be a upgrade. We'll see what CAD price brings but I only have a 1070 so I don't think even a 3900x would be worth it.

[The_Rural_Juror]

$129.99 for 2x16 (3200) seems like a good deal.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08GGYMP73/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_btf_t1_v8QGFbVMBW7JB

[pheoxs]

$129.99 for 2x16 (3200) seems like a good deal.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08GGYMP73/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_btf_t1_v8QGFbVMBW7JB

Shows 149 now

[The_Rural_Juror]

Shows 149 now

clip the $20 coupon, fine sir.

One begins to wonder if TonyTiger is really building a PC.

[ExtraSlow]

Wait till you find out that his name isn't even Tony.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Wait till you find out that his name isn't even Tony.

So he's a tiger? max_boost did make mention of tigers on beyond.

[pheoxs]

So he's a tiger? max_boost did make mention of tigers on beyond.

He's a Tony named Tiger, duh

[The_Rural_Juror]

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07SXMZLPJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Here you go Tiger Tony. Ryzen 7 3800X for $397.
For the PC that you are never going to build.

[Mitsu3000gt]

$129.99 for 2x16 (3200) seems like a good deal.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08GGYMP73/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_btf_t1_v8QGFbVMBW7JB

Timings are pretty bad which is likely why it's cheap. With Ryzen you want either CL14 3200Mhz or 3600MHz CL16 for best performance/dollar. Almost all the X570 mobos have a daisy chain DIMM setup as well so 2 sticks is usually best.

Something like this:

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_311_1326&item_id=105222

Or this:

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX80360

Ryzen 5000 has the same memory controller as well so the same should apply.

If you need 32GB though and are on a budget then more RAM still trumps speed.

[The_Rural_Juror]

That's mo' money for the 7.2 crowd sir.
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 Desktop Memory - Black for $180 today

[Kobe]

That's mo' money for the 7.2 crowd sir.
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 Desktop Memory - Black for $180 today

I purchased it for $194 i think at memx before.

Anyways the Ryzen 7 3800X 8-core is on sale for $396.99 from $491.

Is it worth picking it up, I really don't want to wait another month for the new models and I don't need top of the line, will the 5000 processors really be worth the wait..

I guess this one can be compared to the 5600x?

Think i'm just going to buy it today, is it worth the money?


https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-5600x

With that said best motherboard to go with it?

MSI B450 Tomahack MAX ?