Ryzen 5000 and Radeon 6000 thread

[Xtrema]

https://youtu.be/iZBIeM2zE-I

Team Blue is crushed.

Now waiting for 6000 benchmarks.

And if you prefer Tech Jesus over whiney voice:


https://youtu.be/72AHENDeTEI

[JDC™]

Waited in line this morning at memory express, which got about 40 chips of different SKUs at that location (however, not many 5900x or 5959x)

[pheoxs]

Waited in line this morning at memory express, which got about 40 chips of different SKUs at that location (however, not many 5900x or 5959x)

I did online order of the 5900x because it was a option and then they fucking won't fill my order and said they sold them all and it'll be a few weeks.

[Xtrema]

Now I only need a 6000 review drop to find out what/how Rzyen will work with it. I still think new rig will be after Christmas and dust settles a bit.

[JDC™]

Given the line up we had this morning (which was as long as the 3080 release) I won't be surprised if new products like this or the AMD GPUs are all in huge demand ongoing... luckily my battle is over as I can do my 5900X and 3080 build with all parts now arrived.

[pheoxs]

Given the line up we had this morning (which was as long as the 3080 release) I won't be surprised if new products like this or the AMD GPUs are all in huge demand ongoing... luckily my battle is over as I can do my 5900X and 3080 build with all parts now arrived.

So stupid. Oh well, ended up going to the NE and they still had 5800x in stock so nabbed one. Sucks cuz the price difference with the 5900 was so small but whatever. Now I can start trying to build this thing.

[Mitsu3000gt]

ExtremePC has stock but they are price gouging - $1500 MSRP on a 5950x "on sale" for $1400 haha. No thanks. Memory Express is trying to gouge a bit too at $1139, but not as bad.

I'm not as worried about CPU stock, it typically gets replenished much faster than GPUs but it would have been nice to get one on launch day.

Apparently Amazon and some other big retailers had their shipments slightly delayed, so there is still hope haha.

[Mitsu3000gt]

https://i.redd.it/tskby6wr7nd31.jpg

[CompletelyNumb]

So the 6000 series reviews are finally out and.... they're not that impressive. I was hoping for something a little more groundbreaking. Still a bit cheaper than nvidia for the same performance I guess.

[Mitsu3000gt]

So the 6000 series reviews are finally out and.... they're not that impressive. I was hoping for something a little more groundbreaking. Still a bit cheaper than nvidia for the same performance I guess.

AMD's marketing slides on announcement day showed them on par with Ampere. It would be very unusual if it turned out they sandbagged themselves on launch day haha, but I agree that would have been good news. The reviews serve more to validate AMD's claims which so far appear to have been fairly accurate, give or take.

Relative to Ampere it's not that impressive, but their rate of internal generational improvement is very impressive so hopefully they can continue doing that in the future and continue to compete with Nvidia on a performance level rather than a price level as they have only been able to do in the past.

[Xtrema]

So the 6000 series reviews are finally out and.... they're not that impressive. I was hoping for something a little more groundbreaking. Still a bit cheaper than nvidia for the same performance I guess.

Sounds like Raytracing isn't as good and falls behind on other RTX features if you need it.

[CompletelyNumb]

AMD's marketing slides on announcement day showed them on par with Ampere. It would be very unusual if it turned out they sandbagged themselves on launch day haha, but I agree that would have been good news. The reviews serve more to validate AMD's claims which so far appear to have been fairly accurate, give or take.

Relative to Ampere it's not that impressive, but their rate of internal generational improvement is very impressive so hopefully they can continue doing that in the future and continue to compete with Nvidia on a performance level rather than a price level as they have only been able to do in the past.

Oh I was totally hoping they undersold it a bit, especially with SAM and Rage Mode. Still good numbers, no doubt. Hoping next week's partner card launch isn't as limp as the reference cards.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Oh I was totally hoping they undersold it a bit, especially with SAM and Rage Mode. Still good numbers, no doubt. Hoping next week's partner card launch isn't as limp as the reference cards.

Partner cards should perform better as they will get better cooling and higher power limits. The 6800XT already appears to overclock quite well, and partner cards will be doing that from the factory in various capacities. Not sure it will be anything massive but you should see a performance bump.

Rage Mode increases the power handling of the card (but still stays below power limits) and at the moment doesn't seem to do a lot, but AMD only claimed something like 1-3% gains. I think the only real benefit here is it doesn't cost the user anything except higher fan speeds.

SAM is much more interesting to me, however it is a generic feature of PCI Express rather than AMD's proprietary tech. Some games were getting a bump of nearly 20%, other games saw zero improvement. Apparently Nvidia will be introducing it soon on their cards, however it's disappointing that they knew about it and have been choosing not to implement it for all these years. The nice thing about the tech in general is again it costs the user nothing.

[zechs]

So the 6000 series reviews are finally out and.... they're not that impressive. I was hoping for something a little more groundbreaking. Still a bit cheaper than nvidia for the same performance I guess.

I'm curious as to why you feel that way?

For AMD/ATI, they are now at a point they haven't been for what, a decade?

For Nvidia, now they have to step up as AMD is offering on par performance for less. Or, if you actually compare apples to apples, the RX6800 STOMPS the 3070 in almost all areas besides ray tracing. Most people don't care about ray tracing and can hardly notice it.

There is still a 6900XT to come, which is supposed to outperform that 3090 for something like $500USD less. What more could consumers possibly want? Big navi is up over 40% gen over gen performance wise, with less power required/higher efficiency.

What I am disappointed by is the staggering price increases in high end GPU's in general. It's become the "go after the whales" market just like in video games. $/fps has come down, but even still a GTX 1060 was only around $240 mid-2019.

[Xtrema]

I'm curious as to why you feel that way?

For AMD/ATI, they are now at a point they haven't been for what, a decade?

I think the fact they have an answer to 3080 is nice. But hyping that it's better but end up only when raytracing is in play is where it disappointed some.

[pheoxs]

So with PC-Canada showing 2,000 ryzen chips arriving on Thursday I wonder if AMD is making a artificial shortage and then a big release for black friday? Hoping we'll see other retailers also load them up this weekend.

[Mitsu3000gt]

So with PC-Canada showing 2,000 ryzen chips arriving on Thursday I wonder if AMD is making a artificial shortage and then a big release for black friday? Hoping we'll see other retailers also load them up this weekend.

I doubt it. No company wants to do an artificial shortage, especially when the competitors product might be in stock. It just doesn't make any sense if they are trying to make as much money as possible. If there are thousands of customers wanting to buy their product, I guarantee they want to provide that to them sooner rather than later before those customers might say screw it and buy something else instead.

[pheoxs]

I doubt it. No company wants to do an artificial shortage, especially when the competitors product might be in stock. It just doesn't make any sense if they are trying to make as much money as possible. If there are thousands of customers wanting to buy their product, I guarantee they want to provide that to them sooner rather than later before those customers might say screw it and buy something else instead.

Logically yeah, but do you think it's a coincidence that Nvidia was short on cards and then a big chunk appeared the same days as the RX 6000 cards got unveiled? Always seems to be a lot of coincidences.

[zieg]

Yeah, this guy made some good points on that subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDN8rLjWrTQ&t=1060s

[Mitsu3000gt]

Logically yeah, but do you think it's a coincidence that Nvidia was short on cards and then a big chunk appeared the same days as the RX 6000 cards got unveiled? Always seems to be a lot of coincidences.

I personally don't think so. Also, a lot of the bigger, well connected YouTubers and hardware review websites have asked this exact question to people in the industry who know a lot more than you or I on the subject and they all say the same thing. It doesn't seem to matter what gets announced, computer parts, cameras, cars, etc. there are always people who think there is some sort of artificial shortage scheme going on and none of it makes any sense whatsoever. Doing so is basically choosing to make substantially less money and a surefire way to piss off your customers.

Even in your example, Nvidia getting some stock around RX6000 announcement doesn't mean they held anything back. Sure, maybe they timed it like that but I doubt they were holding onto those cards for months waiting for that exact moment. They probably wanted to get them sold before you could actually buy RX6000 parts so that customers didn't even have an option. Anyone who buys an Nvidia card right now is almost surely not going to swap it for an AMD card in a couple months or vise versa. Right now I think people are buying whatever they can get their hands on from AMD and Nvidia, which is another reason why artificial scarcity makes zero sense. Why would one company want to hold onto product and wait for their competitor to get a bunch of stock? All that does is guarantee some of those customers aren't buying their product.

2020 is just a weird year for everything and has caused stock problems for most industries it seems, not just PC parts. There is no way these companies are intentionally holding back stock when everyone is chomping at the bit to buy it, especially when alternatives are currently available and they are trying to pad their year end numbers. There are always conspiracy theorists talking about artificial shortages every year it seems (not saying this is you) and none of it makes any sense whatsoever from a business standpoint. People well connected to the suppliers seem to echo that sentiment as well. Steve at GN did a big speech in one of his videos on why artificial scarcity isn't a thing (I believe it was regarding Ryzen CPUs) and he probably has some of the best sources out there. I don't doubt that these companies pick and choose certain days within a smaller window, but the idea that they are holding back stock for months doesn't hold up IMO.

[pheoxs]

Followed up MemEx again about my 5900x if they had a eta. The entire email response was just 'nope'. So fuck that.

Ordered a 5900x from PC-Canada instead. It's 10$ cheaper even with shipping anyways.

[npham]

I still need to wait for a bios update (ASUS) so hopefully stock issues have been sorted out in Jan

[Mitsu3000gt]

Followed up MemEx again about my 5900x if they had a eta. The entire email response was just 'nope'. So fuck that.

Ordered a 5900x from PC-Canada instead. It's 10$ cheaper even with shipping anyways.

I don't think Memex is taking phone calls at all anymore, strictly emails. I tried calling them at 1pm the other day and the phone robot said I have to use the online form. What a joke.

[2Legit2Quit]

I'm glad I didn't wait any longer to do my build, haven't heard a peep from Memex on the 5900x I ordered as well.

[pheoxs]

I'm glad I didn't wait any longer to do my build, haven't heard a peep from Memex on the 5900x I ordered as well.

I got this message about my backorder last night. I don't really understand what he is trying to say tbh.

https://i.imgur.com/H75ReBG.png

Although the fact they received some 5900's and mine was a ordered before release day is bothering me

[2Legit2Quit]

I got this message about my backorder last night. I don't really understand what he is trying to say tbh.

https://i.imgur.com/H75ReBG.png

Although the fact they received some 5900's and mine was a ordered before release day is bothering me
hahaha quality response.

I'm thinking although we ordered the night before release, we probably got added to the back of the list as they apparently prioritize whomever waited in line that day it seems.

Or their backorder list is just ???. Seems like some 5900x stock is trickling in from what I read on the reddit thread but still pretty limited to say the least.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I think I wrote my story in the other thread but they fucked me over too. Preordered a 5950X, they didn't give me one or even bother to contact me to tell me that, and then the guy thought it was a GPU so I missed out on the entire early shipment. :facepalm:

Canada Computers keeps getting stock of everything every couple days or so, I don't know what's special about them but I wish they would sell it online.

[zechs]

Man, how could AMD fuck this launch up so badly?

They shit all over nvidia for a "paper launch" and companies won't even put 6800/6800xt pages up on their sites as there is no stock. And then it sounds like AIB partners are $100+usd over reference cards??

I'm a big ATI fan from back in the day, and I've always bought AMD where possible as they have been the performance/$ brand and I support that. But it's really hard to go to bat for them when Nvidia is providing same price, same performance and has some availability.

My thoughts are that AMD bit off more than it could chew by supporting Xbox and Playstation launches. I also wonder if Nvidia launched the new 3000 series specifically because they new AMD would screw it all up trying to launch before Christmas when they weren't ready.

[pheoxs]

Man, how could AMD fuck this launch up so badly?

They shit all over nvidia for a "paper launch" and companies won't even put 6800/6800xt pages up on their sites as there is no stock. And then it sounds like AIB partners are $100+usd over reference cards??

I'm a big ATI fan from back in the day, and I've always bought AMD where possible as they have been the performance/$ brand and I support that. But it's really hard to go to bat for them when Nvidia is providing same price, same performance and has some availability.

My thoughts are that AMD bit off more than it could chew by supporting Xbox and Playstation launches. I also wonder if Nvidia launched the new 3000 series specifically because they new AMD would screw it all up trying to launch before Christmas when they weren't ready.

I think it's just general electronics shortages due to the pandemic. Nvidia has been out longer yet their 3000 series cards are still back ordered everywhere. It's not just amd dropping the ball.

[mazdavirgin]

I think it's just general electronics shortages due to the pandemic. Nvidia has been out longer yet their 3000 series cards are still back ordered everywhere. It's not just amd dropping the ball.

https://i.imgur.com/tRNJRGy.png
https://www.amd.com/en/partner/frank-azor-interview

Maybe you all should learn how to use the refresh key. Pretty hilarious that people thought that somehow it was going to be different. All the fanboys who were frothing at the mouths about how Nvidia "paper launched" and how their savior AMD would be different. :rofl: The real paper botched launch is AMD...

[pheoxs]

MemEx just called, they have 5900x on hand and ready for me to pickup finally

[sl888]

I think it's just general electronics shortages due to the pandemic. Nvidia has been out longer yet their 3000 series cards are still back ordered everywhere. It's not just amd dropping the ball.
Nvidia allegedly sold $175 million worth of 3000 series cards directly to crypto miners

[cyra1ax]

Man, how could AMD fuck this launch up so badly?



I think it's just general electronics shortages due to the pandemic. Nvidia has been out longer yet their 3000 series cards are still back ordered everywhere. It's not just amd dropping the ball.


I think pheoxs is right, had someone ask about getting the Sony A7S III which was "launched" in July, but from what I can find didn't actually ship until October, and apparently people are being told to not expect anything until next year.
I"m sure covid has something to do with it, but I think the shipping market has more of a part to do with the shortages.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I don't think there was any scenario where there would just be tons of Ampere and Radeon 6000 cards in stock for people to walk in and buy one off the shelf. Manufacturers are basically seeing constant Black Friday levels of consumer demand every time something comes in stock. I don't remember a single GPU launch day where there was an abundance of stock. The Pascal launch was very similar, for example.

COVID has not only disrupted supply chains but it has also increased demand for PC components massively due to more people stuck at home needing a PC for for work, games or whatever else.

I do think it's funny when people call either launch a paper launch though, as though selling hundreds of millions of dollars of inventory is somehow a paper launch. A paper launch is just that - no products sold. It sucks right now no doubt, but things should settle down in Q12021.

[Mitsu3000gt]

MemEx just called, they have 5900x on hand and ready for me to pickup finally

I hope I get the call before xmas break at least :cry:

[pheoxs]

I hope I get the call before xmas break at least :cry:

Should've got a pleb 5900 instead