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ExtraSlow
01-26-2021, 03:53 PM
89coupe asked for it.
2021 layoffs MEGA-AS-HELL-THREAD

Probably start with cve/hse layoffs.

nzwasp
01-26-2021, 04:05 PM
no poll?

Buster
01-26-2021, 04:06 PM
no poll?

ya, what kind of mega thread is this?

pheoxs
01-26-2021, 04:17 PM
This is the worst thread.

killramos
01-26-2021, 04:19 PM
I say we lay-off Extraslow from making Mega Threads

Anyone want to apply for the role?

ExtraSlow
01-26-2021, 04:19 PM
Polls are the past. The future is now old man.

Buster
01-26-2021, 04:27 PM
I say we lay-off Extraslow from making Mega Threads

Anyone want to apply for the role?

you need a stamp

vengie
01-26-2021, 04:28 PM
How are people supposed to know if I still have a job or not without a poll.

Let’s boycott this thread.

killramos
01-26-2021, 04:39 PM
you need a stamp

That’s why my name is not in contention

msommers
01-26-2021, 04:46 PM
A few friends at Husky, Eng and G&G, made it through. But then were told another huge cut expected in March. What a shitshow

Nufy
01-26-2021, 06:06 PM
A few friends at Husky, Eng and G&G, made it through. But then were told another huge cut expected in March. What a shitshow

"Meet George...He'll be working with you for a few months...show him what we're up to will ya...thanks."

phreezee
01-26-2021, 06:11 PM
The numbers CBC is reporting:


The majority of the layoffs of 1,720 to 2,150 positions were expected to take place in Calgary, where the two firms are headquartered. It's anticipated those layoffs will occur in stages.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/husky-cenovus-merger-layoffs-1.5886923

Buster
01-26-2021, 06:25 PM
The numbers CBC is reporting:



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/husky-cenovus-merger-layoffs-1.5886923

You know the best place for Alberta? Canada.

killramos
01-26-2021, 06:30 PM
You know the best place for Alberta? Canada.

Did kert do you a hax0r?

schurchill39
01-26-2021, 07:09 PM
Back when I was making these threads we had polls, you young wiper snappers just go around calling everything "MEGA" thinking it holds the same weight.

Buddy of mine at Cenovus got the can today along with one other team member on his team of about 4 people. His direct supervisor and two levels above him claim to have had no clue it was coming. In his words the pattern seems to be last in = first out. He was about 3 years with the company and the other person was about 3 or 4 from his team. In conversations with other groups he work(ed) directly with it was the same.

mr2mike
01-26-2021, 07:29 PM
Sucks (a few months of severance isn't enough) and the guys who lived through big gain decades keep holding on.
Do people even retire anymore?

killramos
01-26-2021, 07:34 PM
Sucks (a few months of severance isn't enough) and the guys who lived through big gain decades keep holding on.
Do people even retire anymore?

People were relying on a few more big decades to afford to retire

msommers
01-26-2021, 09:49 PM
Sucks (a few months of severance isn't enough) and the guys who lived through big gain decades keep holding on.
Do people even retire anymore?

LOL true. Only way people retire these days from O&G is if they're firmly pushed out the door.

ExtraSlow
01-27-2021, 07:39 AM
My only O&G severance was 3.3 weeks. Didn't get steady work for 4.5 years.

cyra1ax
01-27-2021, 09:08 AM
Forgive me if it's painfully obvious, but how did you get .3 of a week in severance?

killramos
01-27-2021, 09:11 AM
I assume he divided what he got by his average weekly pay and came to that number.

End of the day we argue about weeks and months and hours, the only number that matters is the final $ amount.

ExtraSlow
01-27-2021, 09:12 AM
The 0.3 was "in lieu of benefits during the notice period" or something.

andyg16
01-27-2021, 03:17 PM
Well on the bright side I made it 9 rounds of beyond threads haha, got the boot today from the Husky side.

killramos
01-27-2021, 03:21 PM
Well on the bright side I made it 9 rounds of beyond threads haha, got the boot today from the Husky side.

Sorry to hear about that :(

Darkane
01-27-2021, 03:23 PM
Well on the bright side I made it 9 rounds of beyond threads haha, got the boot today from the Husky side.

Dammit man. Sorry to hear that.

Any word on the Lloyd side?

andyg16
01-27-2021, 03:26 PM
Thanks everyone, been a mix of emotions. Glad to get past the uncertainty of the OG world but at the same time need to figure out what I want to do next. Not to mention I now have a house in Edson to sell or rent out haha..fun times
Not sure about the Lloyd office, I was the Operations Engineer for the Edson district.

ThePenIsMightier
01-28-2021, 11:12 PM
Meanwhile, at the University Of Alberta, apparently there is someone gainfully employed within the Faculty Of Engineering:

97140

97141

97142

She's quite a fan of Instagram, which is where she publically posted all of ^that. Some might think it a bit odd to have such contrarian opinions about engineering, but that's none of my business. It's brave. It's 2021.
Seems fair. Seems equitable.

schurchill39
01-29-2021, 01:04 AM
Meanwhile, at the University Of Alberta, apparently there is someone gainfully employed within the Faculty Of Engineering:

*SNIP*
She's quite a fan of Instagram, which is where she publically posted all of ^that. Some might think it a bit odd to have such contrarian opinions about engineering, but that's none of my business. It's brave. It's 2021.
Seems fair. Seems equitable.

Yikes

killramos
01-29-2021, 08:18 AM
Meanwhile, at the University Of Alberta, apparently there is someone gainfully employed within the Faculty Of Engineering:

97140

97141

97142

She's quite a fan of Instagram, which is where she publically posted all of ^that. Some might think it a bit odd to have such contrarian opinions about engineering, but that's none of my business. It's brave. It's 2021.
Seems fair. Seems equitable.

It’s sad to me that you can look like that AND be gainfully employed in 2021

cjblair
01-29-2021, 09:20 AM
Meanwhile, at the University Of Alberta, apparently there is someone gainfully employed within the Faculty Of Engineering:
She's quite a fan of Instagram, which is where she publically posted all of ^that. Some might think it a bit odd to have such contrarian opinions about engineering, but that's none of my business. It's brave. It's 2021.
Seems fair. Seems equitable.

Just took a flip through her instagram. Looks completely aside, I find her repulsive... like personality-wise.

She must do a good job of becoming another person IRL in order to swindle someone into hiring her to support a profession she so passionately hates.

ThePenIsMightier
01-29-2021, 09:44 AM
Just took a flip through her instagram. Looks completely aside, I find her repulsive... like personality-wise.

She must do a good job of becoming another person IRL in order to swindle someone into hiring her to support a profession she so passionately hates.

I also don't care what she looks like, but if you want to shit all over a profession while working in the very faculty of a university that educates people for that profession... That's an interesting stance.

But it's not the first time the UofA Eng Faculty has had someone on their staff who voices their disapproval very publically about engineering or APEGA. Curt Stout had his LinkedIn battle a few years ago, although he may have been out of the university by that point.

SJW
01-29-2021, 09:55 AM
Just took a flip through her instagram. Looks completely aside, I find her repulsive... like personality-wise.

She must do a good job of becoming another person IRL in order to swindle someone into hiring her to support a profession she so passionately hates.

I need to hire an engineer. Perhaps i'll give her a buzz.

killramos
01-29-2021, 09:57 AM
I need to hire an engineer. Perhaps i'll give her a buzz.

Do you have a couch?

Asking for SKR

ThePenIsMightier
01-29-2021, 10:02 AM
I need to hire an engineer. Perhaps i'll give her a buzz.

With such a lack of diversity in engineering you probably shouldn't hire one. All engineers are same.

riander5
01-29-2021, 10:31 AM
It’s sad to me that you can look like that AND be gainfully employed in 2021

Who the hell employs her? Looks like she employs herself as a trash instagram 'model'

ThePenIsMightier
01-29-2021, 11:20 AM
Who the hell employs her? Looks like she employs herself as a trash instagram 'model'

The Faculty of Engineering at the UofA.
Is that only mentioned 3x?

ZenOps
02-02-2021, 08:02 AM
Doesn't look old enough to have that much spite on suggested rejection. Just wait until she realizes you can be penalized for effort.

sabad66
02-02-2021, 09:23 AM
I heard from someone that Cenovus/Husky was giving 1.5 months per year of service. Can anyone verify? I would have thought it would be closer to 4 weeks per year of service max. 6 weeks per year of service seems really high but i suppose not impossible.

engibeer
02-02-2021, 09:39 AM
I heard from someone that Cenovus/Husky was giving 1.5 months per year of service. Can anyone verify? I would have thought it would be closer to 4 weeks per year of service max. 6 weeks per year of service seems really high but i suppose not impossible.

Supposedly the multiplier was slightly less than 1.5 months but not far off. That is assuming (all-in comp) / (years of service).

I say supposedly because I was lucky enough to be kept around. That's based off comments from three friends.

ThePenIsMightier
02-02-2021, 09:48 AM
Jeebus Harold McChrist!
I got 6 weeks total for over 8 years of service a few years ago. One of these things is not like the other.

killramos
02-02-2021, 09:49 AM
Jeebus Harold McChrist!
I got 6 weeks total for over 8 years of service a few years ago. One of these things is not like the other.

Well the reality is in 2021 none of these people are likely to work in industry again. Probably sub 10%.

It’s a shitty reality, and compensation / retirement bridging should be commensurate.

sabad66
02-02-2021, 09:54 AM
Supposedly the multiplier was slightly less than 1.5 months but not far off. That is assuming (all-in comp) / (years of service).

I say supposedly because I was lucky enough to be kept around. That's based off comments from three friends.

That is pretty good! Thx for insight, I guess my contact wasn’t bullshitting lol

ExtraSlow
02-02-2021, 10:25 AM
Well the reality is in 2021 none of these people are likely to work in industry again. Probably sub 10%.

It’s a shitty reality, and compensation / retirement bridging should be commensurate.

Yes, many of these people will never get professional work again. That's depressing, but true.

Disoblige
02-02-2021, 11:00 AM
Well the reality is in 2021 none of these people are likely to work in industry again. Probably sub 10%.

It’s a shitty reality, and compensation / retirement bridging should be commensurate.


Yes, many of these people will never get professional work again. That's depressing, but true.
I feel like these are two different meanings.

Does killramos mean that those people will never work in the O&G industry again? Well, that might be true but not the end of the world.

Does ES mean these people will never work professionally again? That seems a stretch..

killramos
02-02-2021, 11:02 AM
I mean, in Calgary they mean practically the same thing.

ExtraSlow
02-02-2021, 11:08 AM
I feel like these are two different meanings.

Does killramos mean that those people will never work in the O&G industry again? Well, that might be true but not the end of the world.

Does ES mean these people will never work professionally again? That seems a stretch..


I mean, in Calgary they mean practically the same thing.

I mean, if they are over 40 and have only oil and has experience, they may as well put a swastika on the resume, because that's probably equally offensive in many industries. SOME non-zero fraction of these people will legitimately never get professional work in any industry.

schurchill39
02-02-2021, 03:37 PM
I mean, if they are over 40 and have only oil and has experience, they may as well put a swastika on the resume, because that's probably equally offensive in many industries.

That is probably the best description of how the world views O&G workers I've ever read. Back in 2015 I know a ton of people who couldn't even get part time work driving a gravel truck or working as a general laborer because they had O&G experience on their resume. Friends who own companies in the trades have admitted that as soon as they see anything O&G related, even if its just mention of a project you worked on, they toss your resume right in the trash. That's also been my experience from a good portion of jobs that that I've applied for outside of the industry over the years - "sorry, we don't hire anyone from the oil patch so your resume wasn't considered for this position". Currently I am busy enough that I've stopped the outside search, but I know I would be fucked regardless if I wanted out of oil & gas or not.

Disoblige
02-02-2021, 04:04 PM
I mean, if they are over 40 and have only oil and has experience, they may as well put a swastika on the resume, because that's probably equally offensive in many industries. SOME non-zero fraction of these people will legitimately never get professional work in any industry.
Wow that is a dire outlook. Good thing O&G isn't going away any time soon.
But at the same time, I would hope less and less young folks are starting their career in this industry if they can help it.

I know a lot of kids out of high school who got sucked into the O&G life, and now they are all unhealthy and have no future. Really sad to see.

killramos
02-02-2021, 04:14 PM
Well the bittersweet news for the young kids is whether they want to work in O&G or not no one is going to hire them.

To be clear this isn’t me alluding to the industry going away, but that as a general statement continued contraction of the labour force working in the industry continues to be expected, and frankly it’s pretty tough to justify training someone green for a role when there are thousands of out of work experienced people who are willing to do it for entry level compensation.

A lot of work just isn’t as labour intensive as it used to be and the general expectation is for teams to do more with less for the foreseeable future.

What will things look like 5,10 years from now? Even if someone claimed to have an idea I wouldn’t pay their crystal ball much credit.

blownz
02-02-2021, 04:46 PM
Being an engineer doing government infrastructure work is busy right now and should be for the foreseeable future. Not as glamorous or lucrative as some big ego p-eng's like though... :D

ExtraSlow
02-02-2021, 04:51 PM
Wow that is a dire outlook.
I lived it man, and I had recruiters and hiring managers tell me my resume went right into the trash because the stain of my oil and gas employment history. I had SAIT tell me not to bother applying for thier "fast track" program because they'd never be able to find a work placement for me.

I like think think I'm no worse than average in terms of adaptability or presebtability.

Some folks will be successful in pivoting to other industries and some will get back to oil and gas and some, like I said, will not get professional work again.

Cagare
02-02-2021, 05:09 PM
Being an engineer doing government infrastructure work is busy right now and should be for the foreseeable future. Not as glamorous or lucrative as some big ego p-eng's like though... :D

It's downright swamped right now for the past year. I keep asking myself how can the government keep spending like this. The urban infrastructure business hasn't seen a slow down since the early 90's.

Agreed though, definitely not as lucrative as some other options out there, but certainly consistent.

schurchill39
02-02-2021, 06:20 PM
Agreed though, definitely not as lucrative as some other options out there, but certainly consistent.

Consistency is key!

msommers
02-02-2021, 06:29 PM
That is probably the best description of how the world views O&G workers I've ever read. Back in 2015 I know a ton of people who couldn't even get part time work driving a gravel truck or working as a general laborer because they had O&G experience on their resume. Friends who own companies in the trades have admitted that as soon as they see anything O&G related, even if its just mention of a project you worked on, they toss your resume right in the trash. That's also been my experience from a good portion of jobs that that I've applied for outside of the industry over the years - "sorry, we don't hire anyone from the oil patch so your resume wasn't considered for this position". Currently I am busy enough that I've stopped the outside search, but I know I would be fucked regardless if I wanted out of oil & gas or not.

Sounds like my exact experience. Is it because so many workers in the past left as soon as things were booming again?

Disoblige
02-02-2021, 06:30 PM
I lived it man, and I had recruiters and hiring managers tell me my resume went right into the trash because the stain of my oil and gas employment history. I had SAIT tell me not to bother applying for thier "fast track" program because they'd never be able to find a work placement for me.

I like think think I'm no worse than average in terms of adaptability or presebtability.

Some folks will be successful in pivoting to other industries and some will get back to oil and gas and some, like I said, will not get professional work again.
Damn... :(

ExtraSlow
02-02-2021, 06:58 PM
The sait thing was the most demoralizing of all. A program designed for people with degrees and work experience and their career placement person basically told me not to bother. He sounded apologetic, but it was pretty crushing.

Disoblige
02-02-2021, 07:06 PM
Only way to 7.2 is stonks.

Shrooms, tech, memes... all possible paths

killramos
02-02-2021, 07:10 PM
I thought you had to marry your way to 7.2

ExtraSlow
02-02-2021, 07:22 PM
I thought you had to marry your way to 7.2

I'd say that's a viable option.

cjblair
02-02-2021, 07:41 PM
I thought you had to marry your way to 7.2

This is the way.

msommers
02-02-2021, 08:17 PM
I thought you had to marry your way to 7.2

You have to marry your way to Aspen. 7.2 is then a given.

Buster
02-02-2021, 08:23 PM
I thought you had to marry your way to 7.2

you guys are savage.

It makes me blush.

killramos
02-02-2021, 08:27 PM
you guys are savage.

It makes me blush.

Hey everyone has a price

schurchill39
02-03-2021, 12:20 AM
Sounds like my exact experience. Is it because so many workers in the past left as soon as things were booming again?

Must be. There is definitely a mentality of "there is no point investing any time in them because they will just leave when the oil patch picks up". From my personal experience these type of people haven't been paying attention to the last 5+ years of budget slashing, mass layoffs, and project cancellations. As I'm sure you learned, it makes it pretty tough to even get in front of someone to have the conversation about wanting to transition to something else for some stability and a better work/life balance once your resume is tarnished. Extraslow has been pretty open with his story about unemployment and he's one of the lucky ones who were able to pick up a professional position again albeit back in the patch.

I know there are a few guys on beyond that are pretty anti people-who-work-in-oil-and-gas that have been vocal about the subject before. I'm sure they will chime in soon enough to let us know why we all suck and why they would never look at anyone with O&G experience.

mr2mike
02-03-2021, 08:29 AM
I can tell you that I know a few guys that had same experiences as ExtraSlow. Resume would be tossed even for a general labour job.
Careerism at its finest.

killramos
02-03-2021, 08:55 AM
Must be. There is definitely a mentality of "there is no point investing any time in them because they will just leave when the oil patch picks up". From my personal experience these type of people haven't been paying attention to the last 5+ years of budget slashing, mass layoffs, and project cancellations. As I'm sure you learned, it makes it pretty tough to even get in front of someone to have the conversation about wanting to transition to something else for some stability and a better work/life balance once your resume is tarnished. Extraslow has been pretty open with his story about unemployment and he's one of the lucky ones who were able to pick up a professional position again albeit back in the patch.

I know there are a few guys on beyond that are pretty anti people-who-work-in-oil-and-gas that have been vocal about the subject before. I'm sure they will chime in soon enough to let us know why we all suck and why they would never look at anyone with O&G experience.

MAYBE YA SHOOD AV SAVED UP DRING THE GUD TIMES, YOU RIG PIGS DESRVE TO B UNEMPLOYED

Something like that?

ThePenIsMightier
02-03-2021, 09:49 AM
Like as if all other hired employees are #Lifers and never leave. It's such flawed thinking, which is rampant among modern "HR professionals".

Cagare
02-03-2021, 09:54 AM
I don't really think it's careerism. I think there are three parts to it

The first being that if the job comes back up again in O&G that the person will leave immediately from the job they have. Primarily because the pay will be higher in that industry. I think this is becoming even less true today.

The second being that they believe that person's pay expectations may be higher than anyone else's because of the industry they came from. Not that this reason is true for everyone but it assumed by some employers I bet.

Final reason is that depending on what they are applying for it may be an uphill battle in training. I know a lot of O&G engineers that have applied to work for infrastructure consultants. It's a very challenging transition and there has to be a real desire on both sides of that to want to make it work. It hasn't gotten there yet but I am betting it could. The reverse situation is just as true. I have seen some infrastructure consultants move into O&G but more on the operational side for site operations than anything else.

rage2
02-03-2021, 10:04 AM
We still give them a chance to go through the interview process. Generalizing here, ex O&G'ers in the tech sector always asked for much higher salaries, even though they imply they're doing us a favour and taking a pay cut. Not a problem if they're worthy of it, but the majority of them pigeon holed themselves into 2 generations old technologies and would involve a steep learning curve to catch up. We've had people that's come back to us in the recruitment process, where we rolled out an offer the first time around when they were fresh grads with a lot of potential in problem solving, but we lost out to higher paying O&G roles. Subsequent interviews showed that the problem solving skills have disappeared, guessing from working years maintaining things vs leveraging creative solutions to problems. The latter was really the most common reason for ex O&G candidates exiting our recruitment pipeline.

We still give everyone a chance because there are really solid people out there even after a 10 year O&G tech stint. But it's rare for sure.

killramos
02-03-2021, 10:17 AM
To be fair, in a lot of ways, I get it.

For me quite a lot of the “value” in my experience is in technical details and concepts that have no transmissibility outside of even just a fraction of the oil and gas sector. Tbh while we lump it all together as “oil and gas” I wouldn’t even be able to honestly say I have the qualifications to do my role at Suncor in oil sands because it’s a completely different technical skill set. I have this discussion with my wife all the time where I have to point out that a fair part of what I do is completely useless outside of my field.

I have at least admitted this to myself, identified it, and have spent the better part of the last 4 years trying to claw my way out of that pigeon hole with at least a bit of success. Bonus points being that I like what I am doing way more these days.

It’s tough to admit to yourself that large portions of the skills you have developed are frankly pretty invaluable to most potential employers. Maybe this doesn’t apply to everyone but it sure as heck applies to me, and I think Rage touched on that to a degree wrt to tech positions.

Tik-Tok
02-03-2021, 10:21 AM
you guys are savage.

It makes me blush.

Are you looking for a husband? I'm not gay, but for 7.2, I can be bi... as long as there's no pre-nup.

rage2
02-03-2021, 10:32 AM
It’s tough to admit to yourself that large portions of the skills you have developed are frankly pretty invaluable to most potential employers. Maybe this doesn’t apply to everyone but it sure as heck applies to me, and I think Rage touched on that to a degree wrt to tech positions.
To touch on that a little more, great tech people always like to learn outside of their work, building random shit or interesting projects unrelated to their field of work. Take me for example, learning about hosting basically a cloud service and focusing on performance/user experience by building beyond which really helped when our company moved to a cloud platform. We see that in developers too, just random side projects, mobile apps, doing shit just to learn new things.

We find that a lot less in ex O&G folks. Maybe they're getting paid so much during their stint they find better hobbies or something haha.

killramos
02-03-2021, 10:36 AM
The one pet peeve that really gets me, is statements like “you are an engineer, so just go engineer something”. Unfortunately the ship largely sails once you have established a “practice” area.

Sure I have an mechanical engineering degree, that doesn’t mean I have any business designing pretty well anything.

Cagare
02-03-2021, 10:43 AM
The one pet peeve that really gets me, is statements like “you are an engineer, so just go engineer something”. Unfortunately the ship largely sails once you have established a “practice” area.

Sure I have an mechanical engineering degree, that doesn’t mean I have any business designing pretty well anything.

Extremely true. Also, with respect to staying out of pigeon holes. So true in any industry, but I find it particularly true in larger companies. You get so specialized and good at something that is specific to that industry that you become known for that and when that skill is no longer needed it's very hard to pivot.

You kind of have to think about yourself similar to a business. Always thinking about if the skills/offerings you have right now going to be wanted in the future and find ways to develop new skills/services that will be wanted in the future. I have changed companies/jobs once in my career because I knew I was not developing and was becoming less marketable in my skills.

dirtsniffer
02-03-2021, 10:50 AM
this local stigma against O&G must be long standing, because city engineers make more than me lol. Sometimes I regret stepping away from that gravy train.

ExtraSlow
02-03-2021, 11:14 AM
To touch on that a little more, great tech people always like to learn outside of their work, building random shit or interesting projects unrelated to their field of work. Take me for example, learning about hosting basically a cloud service and focusing on performance/user experience by building beyond which really helped when our company moved to a cloud platform. We see that in developers too, just random side projects, mobile apps, doing shit just to learn new things.

We find that a lot less in ex O&G folks. Maybe they're getting paid so much during their stint they find better hobbies or something haha.
Agree that seems to be a big thing in the tech industry. Have been told by several recruiters that your resume is your history of passion projects, preferably on github or elsewhere, more than anything else. Pretty foreign concept to someone who couldn't possibly do career related work as a hobby. Really doesn't compute.

I'm the least passionate person out there, and have basically zero hobbies, which truly did work against me in my job search.

killramos
02-03-2021, 11:23 AM
Everyone knows the only hobby that matters is if you play goal

ExtraSlow
02-03-2021, 11:31 AM
I should stop making this thread about me and my sob stories. I may try.

killramos
02-03-2021, 11:36 AM
I should stop making this thread about me and my sob stories. I may try.

Disagree, I think your posts are far more helpful than most

Lots of lurkers who are interested in what you have to say I imagine.

ExtraSlow
02-03-2021, 11:38 AM
are you coming on to me?

killramos
02-03-2021, 11:42 AM
It’s taken you long enough to notice

ExtraSlow
02-03-2021, 11:46 AM
97255

mr2mike
02-03-2021, 11:57 AM
He bought that new truck to impress someone!

Andy643
02-03-2021, 12:02 PM
Agree that seems to be a big thing in the tech industry. Have been told by several recruiters that your resume is your history of passion projects, preferably on github or elsewhere, more than anything else. Pretty foreign concept to someone who couldn't possibly do career related work as a hobby. Really doesn't compute.

I'm the least passionate person out there, and have basically zero hobbies, which truly did work against me in my job search.


Disagree, I think your posts are far more helpful than most

Lots of lurkers who are interested in what you have to say I imagine.

This.
Appreciate everyone sharing the knowledge. Not much to add as far a the conversation goes but alone for the ride.

nzwasp
02-03-2021, 12:19 PM
Agree that seems to be a big thing in the tech industry. Have been told by several recruiters that your resume is your history of passion projects, preferably on github or elsewhere, more than anything else. Pretty foreign concept to someone who couldn't possibly do career related work as a hobby. Really doesn't compute.

I'm the least passionate person out there, and have basically zero hobbies, which truly did work against me in my job search.

You seem pretty good at camping and helping people.

ExtraSlow
02-03-2021, 12:46 PM
You seem pretty good at camping and helping people.

you should see how helpful I am WHILE camping. it's incredible.

schurchill39
02-03-2021, 12:46 PM
To be fair, in a lot of ways, I get it.

For me quite a lot of the “value” in my experience is in technical details and concepts that have no transmissibility outside of even just a fraction of the oil and gas sector. Tbh while we lump it all together as “oil and gas” I wouldn’t even be able to honestly say I have the qualifications to do my role at Suncor in oil sands because it’s a completely different technical skill set. I have this discussion with my wife all the time where I have to point out that a fair part of what I do is completely useless outside of my field.

I have at least admitted this to myself, identified it, and have spent the better part of the last 4 years trying to claw my way out of that pigeon hole with at least a bit of success. Bonus points being that I like what I am doing way more these days.

It’s tough to admit to yourself that large portions of the skills you have developed are frankly pretty invaluable to most potential employers. Maybe this doesn’t apply to everyone but it sure as heck applies to me, and I think Rage touched on that to a degree wrt to tech positions.

My wife and I have this same conversation frequently too. I have a very specialized skillset that would not be applicable outside of O&G (maybe geothermal... maybe) so a direct crossover to literally anything else would be impossible. Even trying to transition into a broader role within this industry has proven difficult as I provide more value on that specialization than I do in the bigger scope of work. This in turn stunts growth. Instead I try to focus on the general skills I do within that specialization like project management, budgets, cost analysis, performance tracking, etc as those are applicable anywhere. That being said, having the opportunity to even speak to those points in an interview is tough. I completely agree with you that its hard to admit your experience and skills mean nothing because although you are valuable in that role you aren't shit anywhere else. Thankfully my wife's resume is pretty impressive and she has such a huge variety in the types of projects she's worked on that there isn't anywhere she could go where she wouldn't have had an applicable experience in her portfolio. It makes it easier when you have someone like that able to carry the team as you try to get a job managing a 7-11.

In regards to the assumption that people want to get paid equivalent to what they were making in oil and gas - I can definitely see that being a deterrent for any hiring manager to even want to speak to someone. I know in the interviews I've had over the past few years its always been a huge topic of conversation where they try and pry pervious salaries out of me but a good way to handle it is by saying that I would expect to be compensated fairly for the position and have no expectation of parity to a completely different industry. That's always steered the conversation into the pay range for what is normal for the role and usually gives me more insight on wage vs responsibilities. That being said I also have a friend who was successful at switching industries/job types and he was/is pissed at the pay difference between his previous senior level role and his new junior level entry position so there is definitely some truth behind that stereotype.

I like Rage's approach and I wish more hiring managers would take it. Don't shut someone out because they used to work in a certain industry, instead give them a chance to either show you why they would or would not be a good candidate. If they are the type of person that fits the oil patch stereotype of jumping ship the second another opportunity comes up, or expect an exorbitant salary then that should pretty easy to weed out in the interview.

ExtraSlow
02-03-2021, 01:10 PM
Oil and Gas has been going through a salary recalibration the last 5 years too, so people in other industries that think they are paying "40%" less might be more comparable than they think. I'm personally making 38% less than my peak in wages alone, and it's a bigger discount than that when you factor in bonuses, RRSP matching etc. Probably making 50% now.

lasimmon
02-10-2021, 06:54 PM
So Arc and 7G merging. How many more layoffs coming from that?

killramos
02-10-2021, 06:56 PM
Wow. That is pretty out of left field. I’m guessing not enough layoffs for a PR.

VII is around 150 employees but pretty technical, my guess is 20-30 layoffs on their side short term the rest by attrition?

Unless my understanding is wrong on their head count?

ExtraSlow
02-10-2021, 07:00 PM
A few hundred minimum. That's big stuff. I'm still mad about arc not hiring me back in 2008.

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synergies that are expected to deliver approximately $110 million in annual cost savings by 2022.
What's $110 million worth of total compensation?

Buster
02-10-2021, 07:21 PM
A few hundred minimum. That's big stuff. I'm still mad about arc not hiring me back in 2008.

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What's $110 million worth of total compensation?

15.2 Aspenites.

cars5431
02-10-2021, 10:44 PM
A few hundred minimum. That's big stuff. I'm still mad about arc not hiring me back in 2008.

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What's $110 million worth of total compensation?

What position did you apply for in 2008?

ExtraSlow
02-11-2021, 07:30 AM
Production Engineer. May have the year wrong by one or two. Had a couple rounds of interviews, got toured around the offfice in the E&Y tower and introduced to the team.

ThePenIsMightier
02-11-2021, 08:08 AM
Production Engineer. May have the year wrong by one or two. Had a couple rounds of interviews, got toured around the offfice in the E&Y tower and introduced to the team.

LoL, so dumb when they introduce you to people before deciding. Like, why?

ExtraSlow
02-11-2021, 08:11 AM
LoL, so dumb when they introduce you to people before deciding. Like, why?

That may have been the third interview? They used to be legendary for the 5-round interview process because they were all about "culture fit". I mean, the process clearly doesn't work, or they would have hired me, obvs.

Euro_Trash
02-11-2021, 08:49 AM
A few hundred minimum. That's big stuff. I'm still mad about arc not hiring me back in 2008.

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They had posted $45MM in "Corporate Cost" synergies (I am also curious how they deal with so much technical staff in GP vs Calgary - ship everyone down?).

ExtraSlow
02-11-2021, 08:50 AM
Keep em in GP. Thats a strength not a weakness.

Euro_Trash
02-11-2021, 08:57 AM
Keep em in GP. Thats a strength not a weakness.

I think you're probably right with Holt in the COO seat, which could mean some people end up relocating up there.

ExtraSlow
02-11-2021, 09:03 AM
No need to have everyone in the same office anyway. Do like Ovintiv and have two head offices. It works fine.