Most interesting manual transmission in 2021. BRAND NEW ONLY

[ExtraSlow]

Just been dreaming of buying a "fun" vehicle, and the more I think of that, the more I think I'd want a manual transmission. Bronco with the manual sounds fun. BMW 2 series might be the most fun small sporty car with manual. Camaro or Mustang, although I somehow can't see myself in one despite being the right demographic.

What brand new vehicle with a manual transmission has got your brain tickled? Doesn't have to be one you'd buy, otherwise I'd have to stay out of it and you know I can't.

[killramos]

The CT5 V seems the obvious pick.

I might even consider one if it wasn’t M5 money.

[ExtraSlow]

The CT5 V seems the obvious pick.

I might even consider one if it wasn’t M5 money.

Maybe I'm bad at the internetz but on Cadillac Canada website I can't find a manual transmission for that car. Same in the CT4-V.

[killramos]

Maybe I'm bad at the internetz but on Cadillac Canada website I can't find a manual transmission for that car. Same in the CT4-V.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-cadillac-ct5-v-blackwing-first-look-review/

Forgot this wasn’t a car forum

[ExtraSlow]

Exciting. I like. Forgive the confusion of this non-enthusiast. Although you could have helped me out by saying blackwing.

[killramos]

The blackwing branding bothers me

[ThePenIsMightier]

For the last few years a 370z was available, it was crazy cheap, and standard. I think you can still get one (too lazy to look). Slap a turbo kit in it from Sasha and you've got a brand new car with over 500rwhp and a six-speed stick. It wouldn't even have an iPad glued to its dash, so it might qualify for collector plates!

Is there a way to hide this post from Killramos with some sort of spoiler technology? It's too early in the morning to trigger his Nissan hate trigger.

[ExtraSlow]

It never too early in the morning to trigger killramos.

[killramos]

For the last few years a 370z was available, it was crazy cheap, and standard. I think you can still get one (too lazy to look). Slap a turbo kit in it from Sasha and you've got a brand new car with over 500rwhp and a six-speed stick. It wouldn't even have an iPad glued to its dash, so it might qualify for collector plates!

Is there a way to hide this post from Killramos with some sort of spoiler technology? It's too early in the morning to trigger his Nissan hate trigger.

Yuck

[90_Shelby]

Maybe I'm bad at the internetz but on Cadillac Canada website I can't find a manual transmission for that car. Same in the CT4-V.

Not available until 2022. They have confusingly diluted the V brand similarly to AMG and M, as someone else mentioned, the fast option with the stick is V Blackwing for the CT4 and CT5.

I’m looking forward to the magazine results where the Cadillac crushes the Germans on the track.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

My dad has a M240i with a manual and the B58 (Supra engine) and it’s a hoot to drive while still being economical and spacious. I’ve already made plans to buy it off him when he buys a G87 M2 which will likely be the last manual BMW makes and the last new car he has any interest in. That being said BMW shifters have felt rubbery to me since about the E46 generation of cars. Right now there’s some seriously impressive performance cars available from most manufacturers and the prices in Canada are very good when you look at exchange rates. Personally I am sad I didn’t get a chance to own all the good analog BMWs I dreamt about growing up that have gone sky high in prices the last 3-4 years.

[killramos]

G87 M2?

Isn't the current gen 2 series a transverse econobox? Presumably they aren't going to refresh the entire platform just for the M2?

I assumed the "M2" was dead. Interesting, if this is anything resembling the rumors I will be buying one.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

G87 M2?

Isn't the current gen 2 series a transverse econobox? Presumably they aren't going to refresh the entire platform just for the M2?

I assumed the "M2" was dead. Interesting, if this is anything resembling the rumors I will be buying one.

The M2 is confirmed to continue with a manual box and RWD for the next generation, separate from the 2 series Gran Coupe.

[killramos]

Sweet, hopefully they come out strong right out of the gate rather than have to wait for 3 different refreshes to get the “good” one

Either that or see what the market is like for M2 CS’s once this one hits the pavement.

[bjstare]

Might not be the most interesting, but Cayman GT4 has to be way up there for smiles/gallon. Or other Porsche gt cars, but idk off the top of my head if they can be had in manual.

Also if we aren’t being pedantic dickbags (ya fine it’s a 2022, but it’s new and MT), ct5 blackwing for sure. That will 11/10 be a riot to drive.

[killramos]

GT4 is a top pick in my eyes, just not sure I’ll ever bring myself to pay PCar tax

https://www.thedrive.com/news/39120/lexus-will-launch-a-trio-of-v8-f-cars-this-year-despite-rumored-cancellation-report

Dunno if Lexus dabbles in manuals, but 3 new powerful V8’s coming sounds fun to me

[ThePenIsMightier]

GT4 is a top pick in my eyes, just not sure I’ll ever bring myself to pay PCar tax

https://www.thedrive.com/news/39120/lexus-will-launch-a-trio-of-v8-f-cars-this-year-despite-rumored-cancellation-report

Dunno if Lexus dabbles in manuals, but 3 new powerful V8’s coming sounds fun to me

x3 on Cayman under my pants.

I'm pretty sure Lexus doesn't, although I'd love a GS-F. Apparently, it scores poorly among its competition, though. Which might not be fair because unless you're buying that car new and keeping only two years, I don't think it's a fair comparison with Ze Germans.

[C4S]

Will the new Nissan 400Z come in manual? It should be good, fun and affordable!

I am sure the $50K Civic R is still on the top list for fun manual car ...

M2, GT3 ... GT4 ... should be nice too!

[jutes]

Camaro or Mustang, although I somehow can't see myself in one despite being the right demographic.

Which demographic is this? :D

Camaro SS 1LE is probably the best performance bargain on the market, you can find one used with very low kilos in the mid 30s-low 40s. Then again I'm just bias. Can't comment on the Mustang since I've never driven one, but I didn't bother because they are fucking everywhere. You'll get past the cheap dash in the Chev very quick, but the Recaros are super rad.

[ExtraSlow]

Oh man, yeah, cayman is a sweet ride. Cayman GT4 is even sweeter. A+ would bang.

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Which demographic is this? :D old white guys.

[SKR]

I think the only new cars that come with an available manual that I'd be interested in are that new Cadillac CTBlackwing5VSport or a Camaro ZL1/1LE, if GM still makes those. In both of those I'd probably have a long look at the 10 speed automatic though. The last manual I had, I was bored to tears driving it around.

[killramos]

The automatic would have to be pretty bad for me to not consider it tbh. Probably an unpopular opinion.

[Darkane]

For some reason I can see ES in a golf R manual.

It’s a good sleeper type car.

Civic type R is fabulous though.

[ExtraSlow]

For some reason I can see ES in a golf R manual.

It’s a good sleeper type car.

Civic type R is fabulous though.

I see myself the same way

[Tik-Tok]

There's always the traditional middle class midlife crisis mobile...

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At least they don't look homersexual anymore.

[ThePenIsMightier]

^So true!

[dirtsniffer]

Will the new Nissan 400Z come in manual? It should be good, fun and affordable!

I am sure the $50K Civic R is still on the top list for fun manual car ...

M2, GT3 ... GT4 ... should be nice too!

The new 400z is the old 350z, so ya, itll have a manual

[Darkane]

I see myself the same way

It’s settled. When are we shopping?

[ExtraSlow]

let's shop for your first.

[revelations]

For some reason I can see ES in a golf R manual.

It’s a good sleeper type car.

Civic type R is fabulous though.

Aaaaaand they got rid of the 3 door model for Canada :cry:. Cannot stand having the B pillar right by my ear.

[rage2]

Not available until 2022. They have confusingly diluted the V brand similarly to AMG and M, as someone else mentioned, the fast option with the stick is V Blackwing for the CT4 and CT5.

I’m looking forward to the magazine results where the Cadillac crushes the Germans on the track.
The hybrids are arriving before that happens.

[SSO]

Just been dreaming of buying a "fun" vehicle, and the more I think of that, the more I think I'd want a manual transmission. Bronco with the manual sounds fun. BMW 2 series might be the most fun small sporty car with manual. Camaro or Mustang, although I somehow can't see myself in one despite being the right demographic.

What brand new vehicle with a manual transmission has got your brain tickled? Doesn't have to be one you'd buy, otherwise I'd have to stay out of it and you know I can't.

SCG004S - and I have one on order.

[cam_wmh]

For some reason I can see ES in a golf R manual.

It’s a good sleeper type car.

Civic type R is fabulous though.

Really curious what the real world feel of the hepatic touch will be like.


SCG004S - and I have one on order.

Holy fuck, didn't know this was a thing - like I could afford one.

https://glickenhausracing.com/scg-004

Centre 3 seater. Dope! Look at that gated shifter.
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/78152/scg-004s-08.jpg
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/78152/scg-004s-08.jpg/

[SSO]

Holy fuck, didn't know this was a thing - like I could afford one.

https://glickenhausracing.com/scg-004

Centre 3 seater. Dope! Look at that gated shifter.
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/78152/scg-004s-08.jpg
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/78152/scg-004s-08.jpg/

Should be a Q2 2021 delivery. They are just starting production.

[npham]

New GT3 dips under 7 minutes on the Nürburgring (long track). They probably did it in the PDK but the fact you can get a manual, NA motor that revs to 9k is so awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHxz-YiqVo4

[killramos]

For some reason those hood cutouts are very no bueno for me

[Mitsu3000gt]

The CTR is the best manual transmission I have experienced outside of a Porsche GT3. Not sure if that is a vehicle that interests you or not but you also get lots of practicality and day-to-day usability. It's a much better drive than a Golf R IMO, but the Golf R certainly has more of a "mature" look to it as the CTR styling isn't for everyone. With the way they hold their value you wouldn't be losing much either if you kept it for ~3-5 years.

[sexualbanana]

There's always the traditional middle class midlife crisis mobile...

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At least they don't look homersexual anymore.

A friend of mine was selling his old one on Facebook a few years back. I commented that I didn't know they sold those to men. Then I was unfriended.

[JohnnyHockey13]

A friend of mine was selling his old one on Facebook a few years back. I commented that I didn't know they sold those to men. Then I was unfriended.

Not sure what I'd rather be seen in....a lifted truck or a Miata, both are sad.

[Tik-Tok]

Not sure what I'd rather be seen in....a lifted truck or a Miata, both are sad.

Why not both?

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[bjstare]

Not driving a Miata because it's not manly enough is a sure sign that a person cares too much about what other people think... or has a micropenis.

They're too fun not to enjoy. If other people think it makes me look like a fairy when I'm driving it, then fuck 'em. (And no, I don't own one)

[ThePenIsMightier]

Not driving a Miata because it's not manly enough is a sure sign that a person cares too much about what other people think... or has a micropenis.

They're too fun not to enjoy. If other people think it makes me look like a fairy when I'm driving it, then fuck 'em. (And no, I don't own one)

This.
I'll defend everyone's right to make those jokes until the end of time, but it's a perfectly fine vehicle, particularly at AutoX.
*Still snickering about SexBan's joke ^^^

[SSO]

Not driving a Miata because it's not manly enough is a sure sign that a person cares too much about what other people think... or has a micropenis.

They're too fun not to enjoy. If other people think it makes me look like a fairy when I'm driving it, then fuck 'em. (And no, I don't own one)

I had a Miata (MX5) a few years ago in the UK. Got crap from some kid at a gas station about it. He asked if my other car was a Volvo. I told him it was a Ferrari F40. End of discussion.

[tcon]

The CT5 V seems the obvious pick.

I might even consider one if it wasn’t M5 money.

I think he's asking about cars not boats

[killramos]

I think he's asking about cars not boats

Ha. ha?

[Darkane]

I would miata, unfortunately I’m too torso tall.

Don’t fit well enough, dammit.

[SSO]

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Holy fuck, didn't know this was a thing - like I could afford one.

https://glickenhausracing.com/scg-004

Centre 3 seater. Dope! Look at that gated shifter.
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/78152/scg-004s-08.jpg
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/78152/scg-004s-08.jpg/

I went to the factory recently to see a few of the development mules.

Blog on the visit: https://karenable.com/first-impressions-the-scg-004s/

[Pauly Boy]

Miata man-car always the answer.

I'm in the same boat - Once my youngest grows out of her car seat in a couple years. I want to find a drop-top + stick garage queen. The little roadsters are at the top of my list. I'd like to find something like the TR6 that was listed for sale here last year though.

[rage2]

I've been enjoying my Miata. I think I put more mileage on her than the E53 in the last year. Crazy times.

[Disoblige]

Fun, cheap, easy to drive. Don't really need to think too much about it.
It's kinda why I love to just jump onto the Grom and putt around the town in. Same idea I'd imagine.

[Jeeper1986]

i have owned 4 jeeps that all have been manual, i have always wanted a manual car, i just picked up a 2010 camaro 2ss manual and its fun as hell have put 1k km in 1 week lol

its not 2021 like ur asking but this camaro had only 15500 km on it so its damn near new hahah.

Although its quite the way it is with the stock mufflers come this Wednesday im adding some magna flows to it and im sure im gonna have even more fun in it lol.

Drive a few new manual cars first, I drove a 2019 camaro 2ss manual once at a dealer ship and it just had too many computers controlling everything, the car was some what fun to drive but i really didnt feel the power it had it was just speed, but each driver is different

I like raw feeling cars with out all the new tech attached to them the 2010 camaro i own now its just simple less sensors and screens to worry about and it has every thing I need from the car and it first both baby seats for my 2 boys hahah.

Good luck with what ever you pick

[SkiBum5.0]

Raw….you’ve come to the right place. With those Magna’s it might be border line savage

[Jeeper1986]

Raw….you’ve come to the right place. With those Magna’s it might be border line savage

I didnt want any thing that would make my ears bleed, im using it as a family car as well :clap:

[cam_wmh]

https://jalopnik.com/please-stop-blaming-your-wife-and-just-admit-you-want-a-1847430539?utm_campaign=Jalopnik&utm_content=1628193624&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1YyDLI4ZYt5dxRxhU478c1ZrVlBG94enU9264wQOHd4p168hPWEIvkHEg

Hahah. Comical article. Don’t click if Beta.

[heavyD]

I like the Miata but I wish the new ones didn't look like dune buggy. Seriously what's with the SUV wheel gap on that car?

[bjstare]

I like the Miata but I wish the new ones didn't look like dune buggy. Seriously what's with the SUV wheel gap on that car?

I never understood why some sports cars come from the factory with ridiculous wheel gap. The one that's always bothered me is the front wheel gap on the F430. They look like a nose lift system got stuck in the 'up' position.

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[rage2]

I never understood why some sports cars come from the factory with ridiculous wheel gap. The one that's always bothered me is the front wheel gap on the F430. They look like a nose lift system got stuck in the 'up' position.

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It’s because of US bumper height regulations.

[killramos]

For some reason that doesn’t bother me at all

[bjstare]

It’s because of US bumper height regulations.

Interesting, the more you know. That doesn't make it any better looking though.


For some reason that doesn’t bother me at all

Yeah, I mean it's kinda like saying Emily Ratajkowski has a fucked up belly button. Might not be a deal breaker, but it's not great.

[killramos]

The worst part is it isn’t concentric, not sure if that’s to accommodate fat chicks?

Looks like the body should be 5mm lower and it would be perfect.

[ExtraSlow]

Tall sidewalls and large wheel gaps. That's what I like.

[Tik-Tok]

Tall sidewalls and large wheel gaps. That's what I like.

Pervert.

[ExtraSlow]

So back on topic, what can you even get a manual transmission in these days? Any "worthwhile" economy cars or family runabouts?
I guess VW still does Golf and Jetta in manual, so Golf GTI and Jetta GLI are "worthwhile" to discuss. I really wish they still sold a Jetta Wagon here.

[Mitsu3000gt]

So back on topic, what can you even get a manual transmission in these days? Any "worthwhile" economy cars or family runabouts?
I guess VW still does Golf and Jetta in manual, so Golf GTI and Jetta GLI are "worthwhile" to discuss. I really wish they still sold a Jetta Wagon here.

If you're already looking at a GTI, also look at the Golf R and CTR - same practicality as the lower models, but a lot more fun and neither of them really depreciate hardly at all (especially the CTR) so your cost of ownership will be lower than a GTI/Jetta unless you keep it a really long time. Something to think about anyway - a little bit more money up front or monthly, but you will get all or most of it back when you sell it if you don't keep it for a really long time.

I think 2019 was the last year for the Golf Sportwagen unfortunately (in Canada).

[vengie]

The correct answer is a Golf Sportwagen in 6spd w/ APR tune

[ExtraSlow]

There's still some new 2019 sportwagens out there. Just seems crazy when 2022 models are basically out now. That's going to be hell on depreciation when it's time to sell used.

sportwagen is a compelling package.

[vengie]

Used one, but a decent Sportwagen for sale currently.

I'd say its a little overpriced, but turn key and well modded.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2019-vw-golf-sportwagen-1-8t-4motion-manual/1579153832

[Buster]

I never understood why some sports cars come from the factory with ridiculous wheel gap. The one that's always bothered me is the front wheel gap on the F430. They look like a nose lift system got stuck in the 'up' position.

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This is why we have too-large wheels on cars nowadays.

[heavyD]

Yeah, I mean it's kinda like saying Emily Ratajkowski has a fucked up belly button. Might not be a deal breaker, but it's not great.

Most exotics have lifts these days to clear curbs. I can't say if that F430 has one installed but but even the C8 has one. To me the wheel gap is a deal breaker as it's not like controversial styling that may grow on me. Wheel gap on a car will never grow on me. I saw one last week and it looked as bad in person as it did in photos. Maybe this is some sort of trend by carmakers to make their new cars look like SUV's as the new WRX has black plastic, hexagonal wheel arches on it that are straight off the Crosstrek. Take a good look at this video. It's 3 inches in the front for crying out loud.

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[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Wheel gap is great, more room for chunkier tires :D

[Inzane]

That being said BMW shifters have felt rubbery to me since about the E46 generation of cars.

I LOVED the 6MT in my E90 335i. But I've never driven an E46 to compare.

[Darkane]

Used one, but a decent Sportwagen for sale currently.

I'd say its a little overpriced, but turn key and well modded.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2019-vw-golf-sportwagen-1-8t-4motion-manual/1579153832
That’s a super cool car.

I don’t like the gold wheels. Give me a set of Pretoria and bam!

[Mitsu3000gt]

Other than Porsche I haven't driven a 6MT in a German car that I loved. That's one thing the Japanese seem to have nailed IMHO.

[flipstah]

Interesting, the more you know. That doesn't make it any better looking though.



Yeah, I mean it's kinda like saying Emily Ratajkowski has a fucked up belly button. Might not be a deal breaker, but it's not great.

What an oddly specific analogy. You into innie or outie?

[bjstare]

What an oddly specific analogy. You into innie or outie?

Not a bellybutton guy myself.

Back on topic, blackwing reviews are out. Surprise, surprise, they are getting praised. What are peoples thoughts on those cars retaining value? Is the fully optioned 6MT going to do okay (similar to the last gen), or are values going to get demolished with the advent of EVs? I suppose it's based somehwat on production numbers, which is hard to anticipate if they aren't limiting it.

[killramos]

I feel like buying cars for value is a bad move

[bjstare]

I feel like buying cars for value is a bad move

As a broad statement, I agree... especially with new cars. Doesn't mean we can't hypothesize about it though.

[corsvette]

New CT5-V reviews trickling in. Impressive car no doubt. Looks like the manual is actually worth consideration.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37264063/2022-cadillac-ct5-v-blackwing-drive/

[dirtsniffer]

I can't afford the ct5 version, but a base ct4 blackwing may well be in my future

[killramos]

As a broad statement, I agree... especially with new cars. Doesn't mean we can't hypothesize about it though.

My gut is that nothing GM makes will be limited enough to matter.

[90_Shelby]

My gut is that nothing GM makes will be limited enough to matter.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-cadillac-cts-v-wagon-3/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-cadillac-cts-v-23/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-cadillac-cts-v-wagon-23/

[killramos]

We’re v wagons limited because they didn’t make enough of them? Or that no one bought them new in the first place?

[rage2]

My gut is that nothing GM makes will be limited enough to matter.
Chip shortage says hold my beer.

[killramos]

Chip shortage says hold my beer.

Sounds like a long term value proposition if I ever heard one

[90_Shelby]

We’re v wagons limited because they didn’t make enough of them? Or that no one bought them new in the first place?

Relevance?

[killramos]

If they are limited production desirable vehicles that makes a reasonable basis for long term value.

If no one bought/ordered them initially which limited the number on the road, you are basically betting on the market changing their minds about the cars way down the road for some reason or another.

Relevance? You are posting examples of a unicorn GM vehicle that held its value for some reason or another. Personally I don’t think letting the exception define the rule makes a great investment thesis.

Especially on a 120k++ Cadillac.

[lamp_shade_2000]

They weren't nearly as popular as the sedans when new and that limited production. They certainly were not 120k vehicles though. When I worked for a caddy dealer in 2011 they were 88k pretty well loaded which was exceptional value for how much car they are and what their target market was (BMW 5 series)

[killramos]

Right. But the CT5 Blackwing is.

[90_Shelby]

If they are limited production desirable vehicles that makes a reasonable basis for long term value.

If no one bought/ordered them initially which limited the number on the road, you are basically betting on the market changing their minds about the cars way down the road for some reason or another.

Relevance? You are posting examples of a unicorn GM vehicle that held its value for some reason or another. Personally I don’t think letting the exception define the rule makes a great investment thesis.

Especially on a 120k++ Cadillac.

TLDR

But I get it, I proved you wrong so you’re deflecting.

[killramos]

TLDR

But I get it, I proved you wrong so you’re deflecting.

sorry muffin, did I piss in your domestic cornflakes?

[90_Shelby]

Back on topic, blackwing reviews are out. Surprise, surprise, they are getting praised. What are peoples thoughts on those cars retaining value? Is the fully optioned 6MT going to do okay (similar to the last gen), or are values going to get demolished with the advent of EVs? I suppose it's based somehwat on production numbers, which is hard to anticipate if they aren't limiting it.

As a guy who owns a Cadillac which, a) appreciated in value, b) is cooler and way faster then an M2, the new Blackwing would be a very good contender for a vehicle which will retain value and have a cult following. The advent of EV’s is going to drive the value of these cars even higher.

[bjstare]

As a guy who owns a Cadillac which, a) appreciated in value, b) is cooler and way faster then an M2, the new Blackwing would be a very good contender for a vehicle which will retain value and have a cult following. The advent of EV’s is going to drive the value of these cars even higher.

Yes, but only if people don't buy them new. Which I kinda doubt, given what's happening with your car right now.

I can just see it now, hordes of old white guys at car shows in 2040 with their "1 of 3 of 4 of 20 with this option package" CT5-V blackwing, and a sandwich board listing all the factory options on their run of the mill car.

[killramos]

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[ExtraSlow]

Yes, but only if people don't buy them new. Which I kinda doubt, given what's happening with your car right now.

I can just see it now, hordes of old white guys at car shows in 2040 with their "1 of 3 of 4 of 20 with this option package" CT5-V blackwing, and a sandwich board listing all the factory options on their run of the mill car.

That's most car shows with old cars too. Rarely rare.

[jutes]

Some of the CT5V Bwing reviews are out, for some reason it sounds like the audio is pumped in. Has same engine as ZL1 and it's wayyyy quieter inside, could be the extra sound deadening. Would still rock a manual CT5VB as a 4 season daily...wonder if they'll let me trade in the 1LE.

[npham]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK65z1IJHPs

[Buster]

dammit, I wish my wife could drive stick

[90_Shelby]

I’m surprised at the price. That’s a $20k discount on Canada to the US.

That could almost pay for Buster’s divorce lawyer and we all know you’d still come out ahead.

[killramos]

dammit, I wish my wife could drive stick

I repeat. That’s a net net feature not a detractor.

[brucebanner]

Sell the Lemans, use that as all year driver? :drool:

Only way my wife would go for it haha.