Bitching about charts MEGA THREAD (split)

[revelations]

The masks will never come off. That BS has long sailed. Double masking might even come to play.

Here is AHS playing games with stats again - the actual orange chart (non ICU) is ON TOP OF ICU cases - and its own comparison tool shows this. Form a quick glance though, its made to look worse. 97370

Regardless, we are down to 450 total hospital cases but the government will wait at least 3-4 weeks after this to open anything up. Another month of no gyms/dining etc.

https://www.alberta.ca/enhanced-public-health-measures.aspx

[killramos]

Restaurants tomorrow, we crossed the magic 450 number today with 434 so 3 week clock starts now.

Not sure why this is complicated for some people.

[FraserB]

The masks will never come off. That BS has long sailed. Double masking might even come to play.

Here is AHS playing games with stats again - the actual orange chart (non ICU) is ON TOP OF ICU cases - and its own comparison tool shows this. Form a quick glance though, its made to look worse. 97370

Regardless, we are down to 450 total hospital cases but the government will wait at least 3-4 weeks after this to open anything up. Another month of no gyms/dining etc.

https://www.alberta.ca/enhanced-public-health-measures.aspx

What are you on about? The first part of your post aside, the AHS graph is correct, go check out today's numbers on it and they line up. 434 total hospitalizations, 81 in ICU and 353 non-ICU

[revelations]

What are you on about? The first part of your post aside, the AHS graph is correct, go check out today's numbers on it and they line up. 434 total hospitalizations, 81 in ICU and 353 non-ICU

As stated, and shown, the NON ICU chart should be at 499, but it shows ~600 relative to the Y axis.

It SHOULD be on the 500 scale for NON ICU.

What AHS should have done is a 3rd line for TOTAL cases.

[never]

As stated, and shown, the NON ICU chart should be at 499, but it shows ~600 relative to the Y axis.

It SHOULD be on the 500 scale for NON ICU.

What AHS should have done is a 3rd line for TOTAL cases.

Y-axis is total hospitalizations which is the sum of ICU and non-ICU. Seems pretty accurate to me.

[killramos]

Revelations is here to tell the Tableau people how to make a chart.

[revelations]

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Y-axis is total hospitalizations which is the sum of ICU and non-ICU. Seems pretty accurate to me.

Then they should have called the NON ICU portion, TOTAL HOSPITALIZATIONS.

If the ICU representation is accurate, why fuck up the NON ICU representation?

[revelations]

450 hospital cases in a population of 4.4 million. Pandemic indeed.

That's just context that's not allowed.

Like what are the norms for seasonal cases of flu, complications? Perhaps 45 ICU patients? Numbers we will never see.

[killramos]

It’s a stacked area chart, real advanced stuff apparently.

1 + 1 = 2

It’s basic math, not some bizarre hidden agenda.

[revelations]

Yea its basic grade 10 charting - if you are going to stack the chart, then you make the numbers actually represent the axis. 500=/= 600.

[mr2mike]

Haha laughing at this charting. I build Tableau charts weekly and you guys are hilarious. Email them and ask for labels on to reduce the math you have to do.
You get a choice, pick min/max, most recent or every point.
Probably every point and allow overlap. :thumbsup:

[revelations]

It’s an arbitrary metric compared against equally arbitrary yardsticks. There isn’t necessarily anything wrong with that as long as it’s done thoughtfully, there is no one silver bullet metric.

It’s a good way to dumb things down for the kind of people who don’t know how stacked area charts work.

Thats pretty funny that a billion dollar organization cant get a basic grade 10 concept down. If you stack a chart you label the data points accordingly and dont hide charts within a chart. A 3rd line should have been introduced that showed the total hospital count.

500 =/= 600 magically because AHS said so.

[killramos]

It’s funny because you still don’t get it :rofl:

[Buster]

It’s funny because you still don’t get it :rofl:

oh dear

[revelations]

yea its sad.

Please look at the y axis for the NON ICU cases and tell me the represented number for a select date? Eg Jan 1 ? The y axis is labeled 'hospitalized cases' - which is a generic indicator for each of the ICU and NON ICU charts. Not totals.

This is the chart default setting btw.

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[killramos]

It’s a stacked area chart. The total area under the curve is hospitalizations, which has an ICU component and non icu component. The two components add up to total hospitalizations with simple arithmetic.

I feel like a broken record, but this isn’t complicated stuff.

[pheoxs]

It’s a stacked area chart. The total area under the curve is hospitalizations, which has an ICU component and non icu component. The two components add up to total hospitalizations with simple arithmetic.

I feel like a broken record, but this isn’t complicated stuff.

You have far too much faith in revelations' reading comprehension.

[revelations]

It’s a stacked area chart. The total area under the curve is hospitalizations, which has an ICU component and non icu component. The two components add up to total hospitalizations with simple arithmetic.

I feel like a broken record, but this isn’t complicated stuff.

again, that wasnt my question - what value do you see for Jan 1 on the Y axis for the NON ICU cases?

Stacked charts are fine, but they have to be done and labeled properly - otherwise they will be misused.

[bjstare]

Thats pretty funny that a billion dollar organization cant get a basic grade 10 concept down.


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[revelations]

Grade 10 charting could have done a stacked chart better.

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[killramos]

again, that wasnt my question - what value do you see for Jan 1 on the Y axis.

Stacked charts are fine, but they have to be done and labeled properly - otherwise they will be misused.

These are some pretty hard numbers. But I’ll try and walk you through it.

Looks like about 925 total Hospitalizations, of which 150 are in the ICU and the remaining 775 are non icu admissions?

Did I pass daddy?

If you need my help telling you the numbers in the future feel free to ask! If not I’m sure any number of 8 year olds would be up to the task.

[pheoxs]

Except now you fucked the chart up .... if you hover over the yellow line it tells you the non-ICU numbers, just like the legend used to say. But now you've labelled it as total which it's not.

[revelations]

These are some pretty hard numbers. But I’ll try and walk you through it.

Looks like about 925 total Hospitalizations, of which 150 are in the ICU and the remaining 775 are non icu admissions?

Did I pass daddy?

If you need my help telling you the numbers in the future feel free to ask! If not I’m sure any number of 8 year olds would be up to the task.

Im sorry but no - the NON ICU cases is noted by the orange chart, which shows 900, as represented on the left hand side.

Stacking charts all day is fine, it has to be done right.

So to summarize, on 1 Jan, the TOTAL hospital cases in AB was ~900, with 800 in NON icu, and 100 icu.

The average person is not going to select the hover over the value button, they are going to look at the chart and assume the y axis represents each category directly, which is does not. Therein lies the problem.

[killramos]

Shoot. You still don’t get it. Better let me handle the heavy math for you going forward.

Would an email blast work for you? Or do I need to hand deliver it to you in crayon?

I am also open to explaining it with sock puppets if need be.

[revelations]

Shoot. You still don’t get it. Better let me handle the heavy math for you going forward.

Would an email blast work for you? Or do I need to hand deliver it to you in crayon?

I am also open to explaining it with sock puppets if need be.

Lets try a different angle - from a simple look at the chart, how would the average person know its a stacked chart? The average person is not going to click on value selector options, or anything else on that.

[vengie]

Lets try a different angle - from a simple look at the chart, how would the average person know its a stacked chart? The average person is not going to click on value selector options, or anything else on that.

The average person can barely tie a fucking shoelace anymore without help.

Hell, the average person probably won't be able to find that chart in the first place, they will wait for a headline to tell them.


Problem/ Argument solved.

[revelations]

The average person can barely tie a fucking shoelace anymore without help.

Hell, the average person probably won't be able to find that chart in the first place, they will wait for a headline to tell them.


Problem/ Argument solved.

Exactly, the media will showcase the chart as shown. This is where it becomes a problem.

[killramos]

Lets try a different angle - from a simple look at the chart, how would the average person know its a stacked chart? The average person is not going to click on value selector options, or anything else on that.

I think you are giving yourself far too much credit by grouping your lack of understanding in with the “average”

[revelations]

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quick, someone tell them how to do stacked charts! :rofl:

[killramos]

quick, someone tell them how to do stacked charts! :rofl:

That, is a bar chart. Similar concept though.

Keep trying. You will get it one day!

[revelations]

That, is a bar chart. Similar concept though.

Keep trying. You will get it one day!

You do know that stacked charts are applied to many different types - right?

What happens when you type that into a google search, good sir?

hmmm, maybe grade 10 has something for you

https://www.google.com/search?q=stacked+chart&client=opera&hs=fUP&sxsrf=ALeKk01f8YZrBD6gpnI8wYLnyUyPjYlM9w:1612929250342&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1t47Ytd7uAhWOrJ4KHSaQBogQ_AUoAXoECB8QAw&biw=1600&bih=759#imgrc=IsLxEb83MQdc4M


EDIT - wait, did you just call that a basic bar chart? (not stacked?)

[killramos]

You do know that stacked charts are applied to many different types - right?

What happens when you type that into a google search, good sir?

hmmm, maybe grade 10 has something for you

https://www.google.com/search?q=stacked+chart&client=opera&hs=fUP&sxsrf=ALeKk01f8YZrBD6gpnI8wYLnyUyPjYlM9w:1612929250342&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1t47Ytd7uAhWOrJ4KHSaQBogQ_AUoAXoECB8QAw&biw=1600&bih=759#imgrc=IsLxEb83MQdc4M


EDIT - wait, did you just call that a basic bar chart? (not stacked?)

You are still the retard who seems to find these things confusing. Some might say quit while you can save some face.

But frankly I’m not sure most people’s opinions of you can sink much lower.

[revelations]

You are still the retard who seems to find these things confusing. Some might say quit while you can save some face.

But frankly I’m not sure most people’s opinions of you can sink much lower.

Understand that thanks to your initial and consistent put downs, this is nothing more than a whose e-dick is bigger, contest, and you just had your charting BS called out.

[killramos]

Understand that thanks to your initial and consistent put downs, this is nothing more than a whose e-dick is bigger, contest, and you just had your charting BS called out.

Basic addition is not BS, regardless of how difficult you find it.

Could care less how big your e dick is, however the size of your e-brain has really been laid bare.

[revelations]

Basic addition is not BS, regardless of how difficult you find it.

Could care less how big your e dick is, however the size of your e-brain has really been laid bare.

That was not my contention - you just claimed a WHO stacked chart was not a stacked chart.

Also, my contention with AHS is their chart is laid out in a way to make the non ICU cases appear higher. There is nothing in the chart that indicates its stacked to the average user, until they go and manually click and pullup the data point values.

Based on what is happening with AHS statistics and C19 cases, this would also appear to be deliberate.

[killramos]

Your half brained conspiracies are lowering the average intelligence of every page you pollute.

It’s just my turn this week to call you out on it.

Just because you don’t understand something does not mean most average people don’t understand it. Accept your personal failings and move on, preferably in silence.

[bjstare]

This might prove useful. It explains, among other things, the difference between a stacked area chart and an overlapping area chart.

https://chartio.com/learn/charts/area-chart-complete-guide/

Incoming area charts MEGA THREAD?

[Tik-Tok]

This might prove useful. It explains, among other things, the difference between a stacked area chart and an overlapping area chart.

https://chartio.com/learn/charts/area-chart-complete-guide/

Incoming area charts MEGA THREAD?

This is uncharted territory for Beyond.

[ThePenIsMightier]

This is uncharted territory for Beyond.

So, you're saying Drake has Teh Corvids??

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[killramos]

This might prove useful. It explains, among other things, the difference between a stacked area chart and an overlapping area chart.

https://chartio.com/learn/charts/area-chart-complete-guide/

Incoming area charts MEGA THREAD?

There are more than 4 words in that link, I think you are far too optimistic about its probability to sink in.

[ExtraSlow]

it's like when mom and dad fight. Makes me very uncomfortable. :cry:

[schurchill39]

#chartlife. This is hilarious.

[Tik-Tok]

We need a project charter for this thread.

[revelations]

let the big e-dick swinging continue? my charts can beat up your charts?

[vengie]

These mega thread trends are off the charts.

Beyond has truly moved into uncharted territory.

[pheoxs]

Can someone help me label the axis. Do I put it as fucks given or as total fucks given?

https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/17/69/56/500_F_117695649_E4oQPZdHbGd0nZSFP2pyChJXj9ltuQUy.jpg

[mr2mike]

5 weens stuffed into one glory hole?

Oops wrong thread. Looking for the Rorschach test MEGA THREAD.

[ExtraSlow]

You need to turn that sideways to make it a stack of the types of fucks you give.

[kenny]

Can someone help me label the axis. Do I put it as fucks given or as total fucks given?

https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/17/69/56/500_F_117695649_E4oQPZdHbGd0nZSFP2pyChJXj9ltuQUy.jpg

Number of fucks given, but that might be a bit long so maybe try No. Fucks Given

[revelations]

Elliott wave theory charting?

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[dirtsniffer]

Can someone help me label the axis. Do I put it as fucks given or as total fucks given?

https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/17/69/56/500_F_117695649_E4oQPZdHbGd0nZSFP2pyChJXj9ltuQUy.jpg

what kinda 6 finger freak made that chart

[never]

what kinda 6 finger freak made that chart

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[flipstah]

it's like when mom and dad fight. Makes me very uncomfortable. :cry:

Are your parents also Tableau-ites?