Opinion poll: Hong Kong is just another province of China

[ExtraSlow]

Dispute the obvious difference in freedoms and economy in Hong Kong historically under British Rule, it's my opinion that within 5-10 years, activity in Hong Kong will be no different than elsewhere insode China. No additional freedom of finances or politics.

Agree or disagree?

[ZenOps]

With the amount of US debt China owns, I'd say China will be more like Hong Kong in a decade.

Too much money, not enough to spend it on. Need things like a space program to spend money on. Maybe some paintings.

[Tik-Tok]

Agreed. Unless a war happens and someone takes HK over, it is inevitable.

[Xtrema]

Dispute the obvious difference in freedoms and economy in Hong Kong historically under British Rule, it's my opinion that within 5-10 years, activity in Hong Kong will be no different than elsewhere insode China. No additional freedom of finances or politics.

Agree or disagree?

Agree but not the timeframe. It has become China as of 9 months ago.


https://youtu.be/jXxuqM8cJ_c


Government said they won't go after people who violate security law before July 2020, it's a crock of shit.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/hong-kong-detains-47-activists-on-subversion-charges-1.5327629

BTW, now there is hotline you can call to notify government of any "anti-gov" activities. Way worse than Beyond neg rep.

[C4S]

Well .. Unlike the 80's and 90's ..most western people know where Hong Kong is, and what Hong Kong is ..

Now? Most people here I talk to, (younger people under ~ 25) they don't even know where is Hong Kong, some may know Hong Kong is one of the city in China, some even think Hong Kong is part of Korean ... and non knows that Hong Kong was British colony ... well basically, they don't care.

Some older Folks (~ 50+) just keep asking me if the "Seafood ship" is still there .. I recalled one older lady asked me if I ride boats in Hong Kong as transportation .. *_*

[CUG]

Voted disagree. I think the Party knows it needs a clean shaven face to show the international community - a loss leader of sorts. Limited in my knowledge of HK and the socio-political issues in China though.

[Xtrema]

Voted disagree. I think the Party knows it needs a clean shaven face to show the international community - a loss leader of sorts. Limited in my knowledge of HK and the socio-political issues in China though.

That's to be Shanghai.

HK is to be absorbed into Greater Bay Area with an economy of 1.7T USD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong-Hong_Kong-Macau_Greater_Bay_Area

With HK Stock Exchange as Foreign gateway into Shenzhen Stock Exchange.
https://www.fixglobal.com/shenzhen-hong-kong-stock-connect-gives-global-investors-access-to-chinas-new-economy-stocks/

IE, Shanghai wants to be Dow. Shenzhen+HK wants to be NASDAQ.

[OTown]

Inevitable, maybe. But not right.

[Power_Of_Rotary]

It is already China. The Chinese patriotism propaganda has started since mid 2019. You see it on streets, commercials, movies, tv shows, fb ads etc.

I see China flags more and more in rural areas.

I am just waiting for FB/IG/Whatsapp to be banned lol.

[ExtraSlow]

Once businesses there cannot access zoom and are afraid to use email, the metamorphosis will be complete.

[Xtrema]

It is already China. The Chinese patriotism propaganda has started since mid 2019. You see it on streets, commercials, movies, tv shows, fb ads etc.

2014 Transformers Age of Extinction.... I remember the CCP line shoved in the movies about how CCP is going to save the people from the robots in HK. I chuckled. Not so funny now.


Once businesses there cannot access zoom and are afraid to use email, the metamorphosis will be complete.

Well, email was never secured undless you have end to end encryption and whatever China can't see will be blocked unless key is given. Blackberry did it. Apple did it. I'm sure eventually all tech companies will do it for a slice.

That said, other than wechat, how do you have meetings with your comrades?

[ExtraSlow]

That said, other than wechat, how do you have meetings with your comrades?a vareity of methods. Ringcentral, zoom, teams, wechat, telephone conference calls. Interestingly, a method that works on Tuesday, may not work on Wednesday. And email is the worst of all. Sending an outlook meeting seems to be mostly unreliable, those get "lost" really often. I need to re-send meeting invites about 75% of the time.

[killramos]

a vareity of methods. Ringcentral, zoom, teams, wechat, telephone conference calls. Interestingly, a method that works on Tuesday, may not work on Wednesday. And email is the worst of all. Sending an outlook meeting seems to be mostly unreliable, those get "lost" really often. I need to re-send meeting invites about 75% of the time.

Presumably all business in China is done over a VPN?

[ExtraSlow]

That's like reporting zero dollars income on your tax return. Would raise suspicion. I hear a mix of strategies is preferred.

[TomcoPDR]

That's like reporting zero dollars income on your tax return. Would raise suspicion. I hear a mix of strategies is preferred.

There’re extenuating circumstances you can’t avoid not using VPN while in the mainland tho.

https://i.ibb.co/sbmS77T/1-FF23-A32-379-E-4520-984-F-7-B6-C165-E90-B8.jpg

[ExtraSlow]

Bangbus.gilf.cn still works.

[TomcoPDR]

No thanks. They ain’t no Asian Baby Girls no more after age 59 according to this chart

https://i.ibb.co/S3HmgVH/BF4-B7-B0-E-E8-A1-4-E43-94-F1-DE0-D4-F08546-B.jpg

[CUG]

That's to be Shanghai.

HK is to be absorbed into Greater Bay Area with an economy of 1.7T USD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong-Hong_Kong-Macau_Greater_Bay_Area

With HK Stock Exchange as Foreign gateway into Shenzhen Stock Exchange.
https://www.fixglobal.com/shenzhen-hong-kong-stock-connect-gives-global-investors-access-to-chinas-new-economy-stocks/

IE, Shanghai wants to be Dow. Shenzhen+HK wants to be NASDAQ.

That's wild!

[ExtraSlow]

China mad.
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[Tik-Tok]

They're only upset that their bribes didn't work. How dare anyone not expect a bribe? That's how everything is done!

[Buster]

China mad.
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They ain't wrong.

[killramos]

Is this a similar situation to “if it makes Notley mad it was probably the right decision”

[Buster]

As a country, China is a piece of shit. But when they are right about something, you ahve to give them credit.

[Antonito]

Is this a similar situation to “if it makes Notley mad it was probably the right decision”It's more a choice of who do you want Canada to be closer allies with, America or China

[ExtraSlow]

It's more a choice of who do you want Canada to be closer allies with, America or China
I align myself with the island of Sodor.

[killramos]

China isn’t an ally of anyone.

[Xtrema]

It's more a choice of who do you want Canada to be closer allies with, America or China

Whoever pays.

It's still unclear which boat is the clear winner.

In the meantime, while everyone is busy with China:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/546452-satellite-images-show-large-russian-military-build-up-in-arctic-report

[ExtraSlow]

Poseidon 2M39 unmanned stealth torpedo, a so-called super-weapon powered by a nuclear reactor.
Like.

[Xtrema]

Like.

After the Suez BS last couple of weeks. You are damn sure someone is trying to secure that shipping lane when global warming melts everything.

It worked for South China sea. It worked for Crimea. Why not artic too.

[Tik-Tok]

Whoever pays.

It's still unclear which boat is the clear winner.

In the meantime, while everyone is busy with China:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/546452-satellite-images-show-large-russian-military-build-up-in-arctic-report

I look forward to Russia plowing through Alberta to get to the US, and half of Beyond being ok with it because we're finally not part of Canada anymore.

[jutes]

I look forward to Russia plowing through Alberta to get to the US, and half of Beyond being ok with it because we're finally not part of Canada anymore.

This is exactly what we need and deserve.

[ExtraSlow]

Vlad is bringing the boys.
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[killramos]

I look forward to Russia plowing through Alberta to get to the US, and half of Beyond being ok with it because we're finally not part of Canada anymore.

So either we become Russian or American?

I could live with either outcome these days.

[ExtraSlow]

Not really fitting in this thread. Need a China mega thread. But this picture makes me laugh. Jack Ma not impressed.
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[Xtrema]

Not really fitting in this thread. Need a China mega thread. But this picture makes me laugh. Jack Ma not impressed.
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18.23 billion yuan

That's a very lucky number.

[ZenOps]

Hong Kong is pretty much agiven now. Taiwan is next.

[sexualbanana]

I look forward to Russia plowing through Alberta to get to the US, and half of Beyond being ok with it because we're finally not part of Canada anymore.

Tom Clancy (or more specifically one of the many writers in the franchise) called that in Endgame.

[killramos]

Tom Clancy (or more specifically one of the many writers in the franchise) called that in Endgame.

Fun read. Not a great book. But worth the read.

[ExtraSlow]

Verdict in trial of Tong Ying-kit coming soon. First court case of the sweeping new security laws in HK.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-china-national-security-law-trial-1.6109301

My personal guess is a very soft official sentence, potentially just time served, and the guy disappears before Christmas.

[Xtrema]

Verdict in trial of Tong Ying-kit coming soon. First court case of the sweeping new security laws in HK.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-china-national-security-law-trial-1.6109301

My personal guess is a very soft official sentence, potentially just time served, and the guy disappears before Christmas.

It doesn't matter. It'll be a shot in the bow to make sure people to behave like CCP wants them to. Anti-CCP extremism is slowly taking place, a dude stabbed a cop last month before killing himself. I'll be surprised if he get a light sentence.

What doesn't hit the international news is that this month, a lot of teachers are either fired or contract not renewed for not towing the CCP line.
CCP will get their own teachers to educate/indoctrinate the kids in HK. They now consider most of the 16-50 generation that remains are gone.

[ExtraSlow]

China to Taiwan: you are next, fuckers.
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[Buster]

This seems like a good reason for the US to have pulled out of afghani-shithole

[Xtrema]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-troops-rotating-into-taiwan-training-sources-2021-10-07/

https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/us-navy-sub-damaged-in-south-china-sea-collision/

https://i.imgur.com/0d4zOTb.gif

[ThePenIsMightier]

I find myself upset that it appears plausible that someone created a mega-virus in a lab and then it got released on the earth and killed a couple million people while fucking my kids out of going to school. I would like to see someone pay for this and I would like their bodies to be stacked on display for people to view.

So my question is this - does that make me for or against the daylight savings time question in our upcoming civic elections? I can only assume that our politicians are asking the hard-hitting questions or us.

[suntan]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-troops-rotating-into-taiwan-training-sources-2021-10-07/

https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/us-navy-sub-damaged-in-south-china-sea-collision/

https://i.imgur.com/0d4zOTb.gif
Fucking Asian drivers.

[ZenOps]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-troops-rotating-into-taiwan-training-sources-2021-10-07/

https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/us-navy-sub-damaged-in-south-china-sea-collision/

https://i.imgur.com/0d4zOTb.gif

USA Submarine trying to hide in wake of ship, but ended up rear ending instead.

I can imagine that said ship probably pulled hard on the brakes after they realized they were being tailgated by a submarine. US stealth technology lacks behind the rest of the world, even in submarines. The Swedish seem to have a submarine much stealthier than anything the USA can comprehend.

Only in the USA would you spend $1.7 trillion to try and make a 200 decibel jet fighter "stealthy".

Bezos is suing NASA, damn if he didn't beat me to it.

[Xtrema]

Only CCP can be in the news business.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-09/china-proposes-bans-on-private-capital-participation-in-media

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From no electricity to land sales dropped 40% with local governments become cash strapped. China is fast at everything, including unravelling.

[Buster]

Only CCP can be in the news business.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-09/china-proposes-bans-on-private-capital-participation-in-media

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From no electricity to land sales dropped 40% with local governments become cash strapped. China is fast at everything, including unravelling.

The CCP was always going to fail, it is just a matter of when. Central planning doesn't work. Never has.

[ExtraSlow]

This makes good sense.

[suntan]

I think the problem is that they don't have enough government.

[g-m]

The CCP rhetoric just kills me. I lol every time.

“Their fate is bound to be a catastrophe when they attempt to separate Taiwan from the (sic) China,” the Communist Party newspaper said in an editorial that also poured scorn on the US and the island’s western allies.

“The further the DPP authorities go down the path in colluding with external forces, the closer they move to their tomb.There is no force in the world whose will to “defend Taiwan” is stronger than China’s will to fight against secession and achieve reunification. No force dares or is willing to fight to the death against the world’s second largest economy, as well as a nuclear power, in order to prevent China’s reunification.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/6/biden-and-xi-discuss-taiwan-amid-spike-in-cross-strait-tensions

[ExtraSlow]

That's a great press release. A+

[suntan]

It's 2021. Nation states are going to go the way of the dodo soon enough.

[max_boost]

Such an interest in Asian things. Yes it'll be just another province but not 5-10 years maybe a generation 25 to 30

[Buster]

Such an interest in Asian things. Yes it'll be just another province but not 5-10 years maybe a generation 25 to 30

you're optimistic about the CCP's chances.

[max_boost]

you're optimistic about the CCP's chances.

We will be around to talk about it lol

[Xtrema]

Such an interest in Asian things. Yes it'll be just another province but not 5-10 years maybe a generation 25 to 30

Well if it's not the next 5, it'll probably be never (for a peaceful transition). The current Taiwanese government is voted in since nobody under 30 wants to be part of China. That sentiment won't get any better as old folks dies.

That's why they have been ripping out HK's education system and replaced with patriotic teachings. So next gen will wave the flag without questioning.