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ThePenIsMightier
03-23-2021, 07:43 PM
(Better title maybe would've been Barttery Marth...)

Ok, so I had a Canadian Tire battery that's dying/dead and it had a total of 108 months of warranty with the first 36 months being free replacement because I bought the expensive Eliminator.

Here is the word by word formula for their pro-rated calculation:
REGULAR RETAIL SELLING PRICE AT THE TIME OF RETURN TO A CANADIAN TIRE ASSOCIATE STORE DIVIDED BY THE TOTAL MONTHS OF THE WARRANTY PERIOD MULTIPLIED BY THE TOTAL MONTHS OF SERVICE RECEIVED.

The same battery today is about $150 and it looks like I got 99 months out of 108 on it.

How the fuck do they interpret those words in order to calculate the roughly zero dollars I know they'd actually owe me?!?
I know how these warranties work. I'm not asking that. If I returned it as faulty about 1 month in, they'd owe me almost $150 toward a replacement and if it returned it 107 months in, they'd owe me some pennies. I get it.

I just can't seem to figure out how those words translate into a free battery at the start of the term and zero after 107 months. They need to make the denominator ~1 at the start of the term and really really large at the end of the term, but... That's not what that statement says! It makes it seem like they owe me $138 and I'm pretty confident they don't.

What am I missing, here? LoL!!
ExtraSlow
03-23-2021, 07:51 PM
The wording sorta sucks. But you've used 99/108 months, so you've used 92% of the lifespan, so you get credit for the 8% remaining. Or $12 credit.

Their wording is horse shit.

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Or maybe a better way to look at it is the NEW battery will cost you $150x99/108 = $138.
ThePenIsMightier
03-23-2021, 07:58 PM
The wording sorta sucks. But you've used 99/108 months, so you've used 92% of the lifespan, so you get credit for the 8% remaining. Or $12 credit.

Their wording is horse shit.

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Or maybe a better way to look at it is the NEW battery will cost you $150x99/108 = $138.

Ahhhh, that's it! It's not about the portion they cover, it's a formula to decide what they charge me!!
Now I think it adds up!
What a stupid way of wording it!
ExtraSlow
03-23-2021, 08:05 PM
Canadian Tire is stupid. So that checks out.
ExtraSlow
03-23-2021, 08:09 PM
To understand the idiot, you must think like one....
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ThePenIsMightier
03-23-2021, 08:14 PM
Canadian Tire is stupid. So that checks out.

So I left about $12 on the table but then purchased a better battery for $40 less at Costco that has a warranty I'll actually be able to claim, if needed. That Marth actually checks out.
Rhodes Scholar at Cdn Tire "looked it up" and told me I'd have no warranty left before I even bothered trying to get it tested there (which also would've been a "nah brah - dis battery minty" because testings).
Found paperwork after and got to head scratching... "So they'd credit me 1.4 cents near the beginning of the term and almost the entire value at the end of the term... Something feels tingly in my dingly..."

This thread is exceedingly un-MEGA... I wish you didn't crack the code so early!
ExtraSlow
03-23-2021, 08:48 PM
Sorry.
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revelations
03-23-2021, 09:12 PM
Over 8 years for a battery in our climate for a DD is pretty decent actually. My Eliminator only made it 6 years, and it was never overnighted outside and never drained to 0.
ThePenIsMightier
03-23-2021, 10:02 PM
Over 8 years for a battery in our climate for a DD is pretty decent actually. My Eliminator only made it 6 years, and it was never overnighted outside and never drained to 0.

Yeah, I guess a bit lucky.
ExtraSlow
03-24-2021, 07:14 AM
People like Costco for the no hassle warranty. But if you travel to smaller towns, consider NAPA, because they have more locations then anyone, which is important if your battery need replacement in Hinton or Pincher Creek.
spike98
03-24-2021, 07:38 AM
Didn't Costco's battery policy just recently change because of people abusing the system? I could have swore i seen a RFD post about it being a traditional prorated warranty now.
ThePenIsMightier
03-24-2021, 07:39 AM
People like Costco for the no hassle warranty. But if you travel to smaller towns, consider NAPA, because they have more locations then anyone, which is important if your battery need replacement in Hinton or Pincher Creek.

Yes, that's a good point and I recall you saying that, before.
I've converted to the "proactive battery replacement" lifestyle since that last battery that died ~99 months ago left me in a tough spot at -35degC. This recent one never truly died, but was definitely end of life and I'll swap another one into the wife's car while she's having her weekly consultation with our competent team of pool management professionals.
Parasitic losses and the constantly running bullshit in these more modern cars blow me away. One of mine will kill a Yellow Top if parked for 2 weeks!
ExtraSlow
03-24-2021, 07:41 AM
Every car should have a battery tender on it if parked a week or more.
schurchill39
03-24-2021, 09:56 AM
Parasitic losses and the constantly running bullshit in these more modern cars blow me away. One of mine will kill a Yellow Top if parked for 2 weeks!

Oh god, don't get him started.


Every car should have a battery tender on it if parked a week or more.
ExtraSlow
03-24-2021, 09:57 AM
Oh god, don't get him started.
You can't "get me started" on this topic. I never stop.
schurchill39
03-24-2021, 10:04 AM
You can't "get me started" on this topic. I never stop.

That was the fastest turn around of a post to a signature I've ever seen. :rocket:
ExtraSlow
03-24-2021, 10:07 AM
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Thaco
03-24-2021, 04:41 PM
Didn't Costco's battery policy just recently change because of people abusing the system? I could have swore i seen a RFD post about it being a traditional prorated warranty now.

https://www.costco.ca/automotive-batteries.html#batterywarranty

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spike98
03-25-2021, 07:14 AM
https://www.costco.ca/automotive-batteries.html#batterywarranty

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Thought so. Far ways from 100% return for ever.
ThePenIsMightier
03-25-2021, 07:16 AM
Thought so. Far ways from 100% return for ever.

Was it ever that good?!? That's crazy. I always thought it was a regular, comparable pro-rated thing, which is quite reasonable. If it goes to shit in first 2-3 years, chances are it was defective and after that, you should really only get partial credit.
Thaco
03-25-2021, 08:22 AM
Thought so. Far ways from 100% return for ever.

it basically is 100% return forever, just return the thing every 46 months and say it's weak, they give you a full refund and you buy a new one, that's 100% return forever
ExtraSlow
03-25-2021, 08:27 AM
it basically is 100% return forever, just return the thing every 46 months and say it's weak, they give you a full refund and you buy a new one, that's 100% return forever

But that would be unethical. Nobody would do that.
?????
03-25-2021, 01:06 PM
https://www.costco.ca/automotive-batteries.html#batterywarranty

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FYI - The "refund based on purchase price" is the original purchase price and not the new (higher) purchase price.
revelations
03-25-2021, 01:24 PM
But that would be unethical. Nobody would do that.

consumers retail ethics vs. corporate retail ethics would be a better discussion.
cyra1ax
03-26-2021, 08:31 AM
it basically is 100% return forever, just return the thing every 46 months and say it's weak, they give you a full refund and you buy a new one, that's 100% return forever

And the refund is based on current price, so if the price went up you actually end up making money lol.
Thaco
03-26-2021, 08:34 AM
And the refund is based on current price, so if the price went up you actually end up making money lol.

no, the refund is based on purchase price, so if you paid $100 and that battery is now $140, you only get refunded $100 and still have to pay the price difference.
cyra1ax
03-26-2021, 08:36 AM
no, the refund is based on purchase price, so if you paid $100 and that battery is now $140, you only get refunded $100 and still have to pay the price difference.

That's not what happened when I did the replacement at Costco last month.
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03-26-2021, 09:08 AM
That's not what happened when I did the replacement at Costco last month.

If its a full replacement you don't pay anything even if the battery price goes up.

If it's a prorated refund, it's based on the original purchase price.
spike98
03-26-2021, 09:58 AM
Was it ever that good?!? That's crazy. I always thought it was a regular, comparable pro-rated thing, which is quite reasonable. If it goes to shit in first 2-3 years, chances are it was defective and after that, you should really only get partial credit.

It used to be 100% refund, regardless, for ever. Just like everything else they have.


it basically is 100% return forever, just return the thing every 46 months and say it's weak, they give you a full refund and you buy a new one, that's 100% return forever

GC2 batteries are 12 months. You need to be pretty stupid to kill a battery in less than that.
ExtraSlow
03-26-2021, 10:10 AM
Too bad about the GC2 batteries. 48 months on those would be amazing.
Thaco
03-26-2021, 12:58 PM
GC2 batteries are 12 months. You need to be pretty stupid to kill a battery in less than that.
True, i assumed we were talking about car batteries.