GMC Sierra vs Toyota Tundra

[jampack]

Hey everyone!

I am not really a truck guy until lately, realizing that we will need a truck to tow the future trailer we want. I am not savvy about engines and certain aspects of trucks but I'd like to know more of your feedback about these 2 trucks that we are interested in.

I have heard stories of Toyota (Tacomas & Tundras) getting driven to the ground and basically lasts forever. Resale is also amazing as so what I heard and researched. With the new Tundra coming out, this is something we are considering. The 2022 Tundra looks nice but there's still limited details about it.

But with the 2021 GMC Sierras' looks, they are just digging into me. They look nice but I am not sure of their longevity and if there are problems with these trucks that you all may know or even encounter. My father has cursed any American made vehicle due to his previous experience with his first vehicle. Also, with end of year coming up, there seems to be a lot of incentives popping up from GM lately.

Thanks in advance!

[killramos]

Has Toyota done anything to update the tundra and justify its price in the last 15 years?

Do you actually intend to own your new truck out to 400k km? If not I’m not sure why the perceived longevity matters.

[ExtraSlow]

Tundra is great if you want to overpay for truck with 15 year old design.

[licketysplit]

All-new for 2022:

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[ExtraSlow]

If it was me, I'd rate the Chev below the Ford by only a little. Both well ahead of the 2021 tundra. No idea about the 2022 tundra.

I like Toyota as a manufacturer. But pickups are something the Americans do very well.

[killramos]

Imo. You can’t compete with the amount of R&D dollars that the big 3 spends on trucks.

Unless you have a compulsive urge to be different, buy a domestic half ton.

[dirtsniffer]

1. Ford
2. RAM
3. GM
78. Tundra

Ford for the ecoboost, ram for the interior and air suspension and gm for the overall reasonable package. Exterior is nice with a good drivetrain. Interior is miles behind now. Basically the same as a 2014. And if you think that's old... just wait until you see a toyota lol

[killramos]

1. Ford
2. Ram
3. Gm
78. Tundra

ford for the cheap short term leases before the eco boost craps out, ram for the interior and air suspension and gm for the overall reasonable package. Exterior is nice with a good drivetrain. Interior is miles behind now. Basically the same as a 2014. And if you think that's old... Just wait until you see a toyota lol

ftfy

[ExtraSlow]

Gm for the corvette engine if you like big noises. It makes an excellent big noise.

[killramos]

Can confirm

[jutes]

6.2L ftw!

Where does the Titan fit in this ranking, there are still a few new ones kicking around despite being discontinued.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

6.2L ftw!

Where does the Titan fit in this ranking, there are still a few new ones kicking around despite being discontinued.

We bought a Titan once for export. It was absolutely terrible.

[dromz]

I've had Ford F-150, Chev 1500 and Ram Cummins and currently a 2019 Ram 1500. IMHO, I would pick the Ram over Ford, Chev last.Some of field contract operators tried Tundras and they didn't stand up to Musreau /Fox creek type operations....very weak rear suspensions.

[jutes]

We bought a Titan once for export. It was absolutely terrible.

What didn’t you like about it? Just curious as we are looking at a large Nissan product.

[ThePenIsMightier]

What didn’t you like about it? Just curious as we are looking at a large Nissan product.

The XD Platinum I've seen has valve tick bordering on fucking diesel noise. Completely and clearly unacceptable, but Nissan says "Yo that's totes normal on the 5.6L, Brah" which is a complete load of steaming shit with a DQ swirl.

[killramos]

Didn’t the titan grt shitcanned from The Canadian market?

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The XD Platinum I've seen has valve tick bordering on fucking diesel noise. Completely and clearly unacceptable, but Nissan says "Yo that's totes normal on the 5.6L, Brah" which is a complete load of steaming shit with a DQ swirl.

Just Nissan Things

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

What didn’t you like about it? Just curious as we are looking at a large Nissan product.

Interior straight out of 2005, powertrain felt ancient, poor build quality, huge depreciation which actually made it hard to buy and make money with.

[ShermanEF9]

Tundra is great if you want to overpay for truck with 15 year old design.

This. Even the new one is doing things the big 3 have done for 5ish years now. Plus, you cannot justify those atrocious fuel economy numbers. I get its a truck, but it doesn't do truck things any better than the others..

[killramos]

You buy a tundra because you insist on being different than the other millions of pickup drivers, no other reason.

[littledan]

My personal opinion on trucks if you care:

#1 in being trucky: chev/gm, cant beat the reliability of the gas v8s (minus the cyl deact bs) and I find they are built more robust
#1 in interior and catering to market by having multiple iphone holderds: ford - bonus you get a factory fresh build with 6 months of orange rust coating the diff and axles
#at being a piece of shit: dodge ram - seriously 5 bolt axles? And shit front ends that need ball joints every 50k. Nice interior but FCA quality is literal shit. From the toilet.
Nissan: not too much experience but their titan pro4x was an awesome 4x4 system that got me through some thick ass spring mud se of regina
Toyota: enjoy paying absurd prices for what you get, but at least you get solid reliable drivetrain

[SKR]

The best truck is the one you like and can afford. They all do the same job.

Whatever you buy, if you're buying new either buy a 1500 or a 3500. There are no advantages anymore to a 2500.

[ThePenIsMightier]

The inflated prices paid for Toyota products are recovered in 2 years* when you find the next shiny thing to hurl cash at. They depreciate less and continue to sell for inflated prices above the US Big 3. So, it kind of comes out in the wash.

*2 weeks if Shak

[cyra1ax]

I'm a GM fan but I wouldn't get a Silverado/Sierra this year, GM has been cutting features left right and centre(cylinder deactivation, HD Radio, rear seat heat, auto start/stop) in order to save on computer chips.

[firebane]

You want a truck that can actually work? Get the big 3
Want a truck to camp and wear sandals? Toyota.

[Darell_n]

You want a truck that can actually work? Get the big 3
Want a truck to camp and wear sandals? Toyota.

Perfect summary. As for the big 3, pick the one you like the looks of best. Every domestic truck brand is 50/50 greatness and complete shit.

[Brent.ff]

Toyota fanboy checking in... will be looking at the 22 tundra when its actually released. If the fuel economy is as bad as the current one...ill stick with the taco

[2020]

I was going to jump on the cheap Ford F-150 lease deal earlier this year but couldn’t part with my reliable 05 tundra with 460km. Going to try and hit 500,000km and wait on the 2022 tundra. Hopefully the new one will have some sweet tech inside and better fuel economy numbers. I’d trust a Toyota turbo motor more than a Ford turbo motor.

[SJW]

6.2L GMC owner here. My dick has grown three sizes since owning this truck.

Front Shocks are terrible and blew out at 110,000 km. Other than that problem free.

[Tik-Tok]

(cylinder deactivation, HD Radio, rear seat heat, auto start/stop)

Does anyone actually WANT those things? I paid money to have the cylinder deactivation, de-activated.

[cyra1ax]

Does anyone actually WANT those things? I paid money to have the cylinder deactivation, de-activated.

I mean....HD Radio and rear seat heat are nice to haves. I agree with you on the cylinder deactivation and auto start/stop though.

[killramos]

HD radio sounds like a scam if u have ever heard one

[Tik-Tok]

HD radio sounds like a scam if u have ever heard one

I had to google it, there's a whole entire two stations in Calgary. Talk radio, and Country 105... I know I definitely need to listen about how my ex shot my dog, my pick-ups in the ditch, and my grandaughter is on facebook too much, in HD.

[killramos]

I struggle to remember the last I used a “radio”

[ShermanEF9]

I’d trust a Toyota turbo motor more than a Ford turbo motor.

The engine thats been around for 10 years, or a new motor. Nope, gonna trust the Ford on this one.

[Kloubek]

All I can say after working at a dealership is that if you consider GM, expect leaking hoses. The amount of connections I saw leaking on vehicles only one or two years old was, quite frankly, embarrassing.

They also had a real tough time with DPF system failures on diesel engines - which, during my time there, they had no solution for. Last I heard, someone with such an issue had their entire exhaust replaced as an attempted fix. Not certain they have that dialed in yet...

[killramos]

Doesn’t the Ford motor (all the Ford motors really) still have major unsolved issues to this day (hence leasing them for 24mo).

Or have I been reading the Ford thread wrong?

[Tik-Tok]

I struggle to remember the last I used a “radio”

But just imagine how great 40min per hour of commercials and shitty DJ's will sound in HD!

Re: Ford's, I thought the two year lease thing was to optimize dealership profits by selling to the US?

[killramos]

That’s not what the people in the Ford thread told me

[SkiBum5.0]

Nothing like a good truck thread to get the juices going on a Sat morning. OP, buy the truck you like most. I’m sure the new Tundra will be fine. All the trucks are similar from a reliability standard, with each having gremlins. I would think 15 years would allow Toyota to get it right.

[zechs]

Or have I been reading the Ford thread wrong?

The 2.7 ecoboost has zero known long term issues beyond typical modern engine problems (carbon buildup, ignition components like coil packs and plugs). Considering the motor has been available since 2015 or 2016, I think its safe to say that its a properly designed and built engine.

The 3.5 has many issues for sure. I don't even think the 5.0L has much for issues (occasional oil consumption issues, but this is relatively rare).

But the 3.5 is very popular, so I have no doubt it seems like the Ford's have a lot of problems. Tough to pass up 400+hp and 500tq.

While I'm not sold on Ford's or F150's after having had mine for a year, the 2.7 is an incredible motor. I have zero concerns about longterm durability, which is pretty rare considering the internet will let you know if an engine has a 1% chance of having an issue.

I'm more worried about transmissions as mine still occasionally clunks and bangs, but there are so many 10 speeds out there a low mileage junkyard tranny is $1000.

[jutes]

The XD Platinum I've seen has valve tick bordering on fucking diesel noise. Completely and clearly unacceptable, but Nissan says "Yo that's totes normal on the 5.6L, Brah" which is a complete load of steaming shit with a DQ swirl.

The 21 Armada we test drove had a slight ticking, but it was nothing different from my 6.2L being a DI engine as well. I don't know, the interior was very good quality and the Titan gets good reviews from what I've seen. High praises fro the 5.6L and 9Spd combo.

[Darkane]

The 2.7 ecoboost has zero known long term issues beyond typical modern engine problems (carbon buildup, ignition components like coil packs and plugs). Considering the motor has been available since 2015 or 2016, I think its safe to say that its a properly designed and built engine.

The 3.5 has many issues for sure. I don't even think the 5.0L has much for issues (occasional oil consumption issues, but this is relatively rare).

But the 3.5 is very popular, so I have no doubt it seems like the Ford's have a lot of problems. Tough to pass up 400+hp and 500tq.

While I'm not sold on Ford's or F150's after having had mine for a year, the 2.7 is an incredible motor. I have zero concerns about longterm durability, which is pretty rare considering the internet will let you know if an engine has a 1% chance of having an issue.

I'm more worried about transmissions as mine still occasionally clunks and bangs, but there are so many 10 speeds out there a low mileage junkyard tranny is $1000.

Yeah 2017+ 3.5L, and 2018+ 2.7L/5L all have direct and port injection. No carbon build up issues (that I’ve really heard of). Ford is leading the way for quite a few years here.

Can’t go wrong with any truck these days.

Why not go for a ranger tremor? Pretty damn good looking truck if you ask me.

Tows 7500 if you need it too.

[suntan]

Saw one of the Ranger Tremors last day pulling what I thought was a far too large trailer for it. But that makes sense. But the 68L fuel tank, ug.

[Darkane]

Saw one of the Ranger Tremors last day pulling what I thought was a far too large trailer for it. But that makes sense. But the 68L fuel tank, ug.

68L?! I didn’t know that - stop every 200kms lol

[ExtraSlow]

136L or gtfo,

[birdman86]

Tundra's been a great farm truck for us, rock solid reliability. It's averaged 16L/100km since we bought it, which is only a tad worse than the 15L on dads '19 Ram 1500 he just traded in. Check payload/towing specs to make sure it'll suit your needs, outside of that its as good as any and the V8 is rock solid proven reliability...TBD if the new gen will still have the V8 option though? I find the Tundra's interior a lot more functional than the Ram interior (more flat spaces, lots of cup holders, console is literally big enough to hang file folders, Ram has that stupid wedge thing to hold your phone) but judge for yourself.

Domestic guys love their domestics but there's a lot less mechanical troubles posted to Tundra forums than the Ford/GM forums....jus' sayin'

Also I'm 100% toyota fanboy so biased etc etc

End of the day they're all great trucks for 90% of peoples use. Any make is gonna have lemons. Get what you like.

[sxtasy]

If this truck purchase is for towing a future trailer, I'd start at what you think you want to tow. Factor in things like payload, rear axle ratio. I think the GM will have more options for robust towing packages.

[rc2002]

Yeah 2017+ 3.5L, and 2018+ 2.7L/5L all have direct and port injection. No carbon build up issues (that I’ve really heard of). Ford is leading the way for quite a few years here.


Pretty sure Lexus was already doing DI and port injection in 2006 (IS350).

[Darkane]

Pretty sure Lexus was already doing DI and port injection in 2006 (IS350).

Trucks though.

[zechs]

68L?! I didn’t know that - stop every 200kms lol

Supposedly the 2.3 ecoboost gets pretty decent mpg towing. I watched a test on youtube, wish I could find it again, but probably 450-500km range towing a flat deck with vehicle.

Thats inline with basically any gm gas truck for the past 30 years, unless the new ones finally have a bigger tank?

136L tank in the F150 is incredible. 1250kms on a tank is best I've done. Do 700-800 towing an open car trailer.

[jampack]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I will do a test drive on both and go from there. I am waiting for the 2022 Tundra first. This will take some time. Thanks again!