Official 2021/22 NHL Thread

[ThePenIsMightier]

Boom. Official first games of the season were yesterday with Seattle losing and T-Bay getting stuffed by Pittsburgh sans Crosby.
I don't care for the camera angle that was overused in the Vegas-Seattle game.

I don't believe much of what Bettman days and I don't believe this, for a second:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/bettman-says-four-nhl-players-unvaccinated-covid-19/

[ExtraSlow]

as far as unvaccinated players, I think he means players currently on rosters. There's some players who are in limbo and not yet on a roster because of vaccination status.

[cyra1ax]

Tampa wants an outdoor game???

[ThePenIsMightier]

Tampa wants an outdoor game???

I lol at that, too. Wasn't it Anaheim last year that was a gong show?

[cyra1ax]

I lol at that, too. Wasn't it Anaheim last year that was a gong show?

Could be? The one that comes to mind is Lake Tahoe.

[ExtraSlow]

Actual photos of the rink.
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But seriously, they made an ice rink in Melbourne once, why not in tampa?
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[cyra1ax]

But seriously, they made an ice rink in Melbourne once, why not in tampa?


My two minutes of googling confirms my thought that Melbourne gets alot colder during their winter than Tampa does.

[ExtraSlow]

My two minutes of googling confirms my thought that Melbourne gets alot colder during their winter than Tampa does.

well that's two minutes more than me. you win.

[suntan]

Tampa wants an outdoor game???

What's wrong with that? I was in San Diego one year in Dec, they had an outdoor ice rink. It was 23C outside.

[ThePenIsMightier]

What's wrong with that? I was in San Diego one year in Dec, they had an outdoor ice rink. It was 23C outside.

LoL! You mean the one outside the Hotel Del Coronado?
I think the standards are higher to put tens of millions of dollars worth of pro athletes on.
Lake Tahoe last year was an unmitigated disaster.

*Thanks cyra1ax for that correction.

[suntan]

The actual quality of the product doesn't matter.

The ones in Calgary sucked too because it was too cold, doesn't matter.

It's just the atmosphere.

[ThePenIsMightier]

The actual quality of the product doesn't matter.

The ones in Calgary sucked too because it was too cold, doesn't matter.

It's just the atmosphere.

Right, makes sense.
I recall then stopping that game for several hours and having the players come back at midnight to finish it, just like Lake Tahoe.
Same.

[suntan]

It's a gimmick. Don't expect anything approaching a real game. I'm surprised you are.

[ThePenIsMightier]

It's a gimmick. Don't expect anything approaching a real game. I'm surprised you are.

TIL that if (all other things being equal) Vegas won that game in Lake Tahoe, they would not have won the President's Trophy and secured home ice throughout the playoffs.
Because, it wasn't a real game.

[suntan]

They could have won any game they lost.

But that's beside the point.

I am not saying that what they are doing is a good idea. I am simply saying that it is possible. So of course they will do it. For the NHL it is a money maker and has some good long term benefits. The teams playing lose out on a fair match. The NHL as a whole benefits.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Check out the fuckin rocket singing the anthem in Detroit!

[ExtraSlow]

Check out the fuckin rocket singing the anthem in Detroit!
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[ThePenIsMightier]

Your pic didn't load.

I figured someone would've been watching. I am too classy to post a picture of her from my TV.
Her name is Karen Newman.

[ExtraSlow]

Quality milf material for sure. Little old for you, but I'll allow it.

[suntan]

I'd drink Flint water for a chance with her.

[Buster]

You guys are still watching hockey?

[killramos]

Makes sense if you don’t have HBO

[ThePenIsMightier]

LoL Dallas Eakins is still a coach.
LoL what kind of goat porn does Kane have pictures of with whom that not only is he still in the league, but SJ protected him in the expansion draft??!?

[ExtraSlow]

No trade clause.

[ThePenIsMightier]

No trade clause.

It had to have been, right?

[killramos]

Bets on how long until he’s playing in Russia?

[JRSC00LUDE]

Check out the fuckin rocket singing the anthem in Detroit!

It took you 30 years to notice this.

My faith in you is waning faster than ES's viagra on hour 5.

[ThePenIsMightier]

It took you 30 years to notice this.

My faith in you is waning faster than ES's viagra on hour 5.

I guess my feed is never Detroit home games and it's probably about 5% of the games I do watch that I end up running in early enough to see the anthem.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Phoenix rehashing the league's ugliest jerseys in history is getting tired. They're like kids dressing up like Hitler for Halloween.
The E's looking lik3 thr33s is the icing on the cak3. Th3 cak3 mad3 of hat3 crim3!

[88CRX]

Phoenix rehashing the league's ugliest jerseys in history is getting tired. They're like kids dressing up like Hitler for Halloween.
The E's looking lik3 thr33s is the icing on the cak3. Th3 cak3 mad3 of hat3 crim3!

Uh, that's fake news. Those Coyotes jerseys are beauties.

[asp integra]

Uh, that's fake news. Those Coyotes jerseys are beauties.

Agreed, love the Kachina tarps!

[ThePenIsMightier]

Edmonton is not as strong out of the gate as their record indicates. How do I legally bet a massive sum that they lose tonight?

[88CRX]

Edmonton is not as strong out of the gate as their record indicates. How do I legally bet a massive sum that they lose tonight?

Sports Interaction

https://i.imgur.com/ZcW5gll.jpg

[ThePenIsMightier]

So VGK to win in "puckline" -2.5 at 3.8 means...
I bet $100 on Vegas winning by at least 3 goals (because 2.5 goals will be subtracted from their winning total) and I receive 3.8x my bet back, or $380... Correct?

*Sorry, I'm referring to an option on the Play Alberta site. Not the picture.

[88CRX]

So VGK to win in "puckline" -2.5 at 3.8 means...
I bet $100 on Vegas winning by at least 3 goals (because 2.5 goals will be subtracted from their winning total) and I receive 3.8x my bet back, or $380... Correct?

*Sorry, I'm referring to an option on the Play Alberta site. Not the picture.

-2.5 @ 3.8 means you're betting Vegas to beat Edmonton by 3 or more and it pays at 3.8x

But I'd take -1.5 @2.77 over -2.5 @ 3.8 all day and twice on Sunday! -2.5 is too tough, at least -1.5 brings an empty net goal into play in a 1 goal game.

[ThePenIsMightier]

-2.5 @ 3.8 means you're betting Vegas to beat Edmonton by 3 or more and it pays at 3.8x

But I'd take -1.5 @2.77 over -2.5 @ 3.8 all day and twice on Sunday! -2.5 is too tough, at least -1.5 brings an empty net goal into play in a 1 goal game.

Thanks for your help!
I'm confused why if Vegas is the fave, why is the payout higher fair being on them?
I assume it's because while they are favoured to win, it is unlikely that they'll beat the spread? (So to speak)?

[ThePenIsMightier]

Ahem.
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

[max_boost]

The Leafs are struggling and I'm enjoying that.

This however is very disturbing. Ooof https://www.tsn.ca/chicago-blackhawks-brad-aldrich-timeline-1.1711913

[ThePenIsMightier]

Please add for the stickies, Moduraytors!


Saw footage of the Florida game. Undefeated and I think I've seen more fans at a Nanaimo Clippers game. Dozens and dozens of people there!

[ThePenIsMightier]

If you were a grown-ass man like Kyle Beach, would you have had trouble turning down a blowjob from a creepy, massage trainer? (Or whatever the gross details of the alleged offense are).

I have lots of empathy for his anguish if it's about the Blackhawks not taking his claims seriously. Lots.
I just have trouble picturing the difficulty in turning down unwanted sexual attention from someone who's not exactly running the corporate office. Someone who's about half a step ahead of the Towel Boy.

*And in case this seems overly insensitive... I've literally turned down an unwanted creepy advance from someone in sports. *When I was a grown-ass man. Kids are obviously a different story.

[Kloubek]

I just have trouble picturing the difficulty in turning down unwanted sexual attention from someone who's not exactly running the corporate office. Someone who's about half a step ahead of the Towel Boy.


On the surface, I would agree with you. I would just caution that we don't know the exact details of what happened.

[ThePenIsMightier]

On the surface, I would agree with you. I would just caution that we don't know the exact details of what happened.

Yes certainly!
I want it clear that I/we don't know the whole story.

[kertejud2]

If you were a grown-ass man like Kyle Beach, would you have had trouble turning down a blowjob from a creepy, massage trainer? (Or whatever the gross details of the alleged offense are).

I have lots of empathy for his anguish if it's about the Blackhawks not taking his claims seriously. Lots.
I just have trouble picturing the difficulty in turning down unwanted sexual attention from someone who's not exactly running the corporate office. Someone who's about half a step ahead of the Towel Boy.

*And in case this seems overly insensitive... I've literally turned down an unwanted creepy advance from someone in sports. *When I was a grown-ass man. Kids are obviously a different story.

Attitudes like this are why Sheldon Kennedy and Theoren Fleury said it is so hard for players to come forward.

'I mean, how could a 20-year old coming out of junior hockey who's professional career was in the hands of the development and support staff in his first stint with the big club, let one of those people take advantage of them? What a pussy, amirite?! But yeah, totally empathize for his anguish, I'm just saying I didn't let it happen to me so I don't understand how this guy let it happen to him. But yeah, empathy and stuff.' Gimme a break.

The guy 'half a step ahead of the Towel Boy' has his name on the Cup. But since you figure you'd victim blame before the details, this is how a 'grown-ass man' can get manipulated. Worth some additional context that as a first round pick on an entry-level deal, the difference between Beach playing in the NHL or being stuck in the minors is $2.5M over the course of the deal (with up to a million more in bonuses), or less than $200K.

https://jenner.com/system/assets/assets/11549/original/Report%20to%20the%20Chicago%20Blackhawks%20Hockey%20Team%20-%20October%202021.pdf


Several Black Aces perceived Aldrich to have access to coaches and information the Black Aces valued. During his interview, John Doe recalled coaches encouraging him and the other Black Aces to request video clips from Aldrich and use Aldrich as a resource.92 Another Black Ace and a member of the 2010 Blackhawks team both recalled that Aldrich provided them with advance notice and intelligence on the Blackhawks’ lineup for game days.


One member of the 2010 Blackhawks team recalled that many players relied on Aldrich to tell them what coaches were thinking.94 This player further recalled that Aldrich texted the player after games to share what was being discussed in the coaches’ room and what Quenneville thought of the player’s performance.95


One particular Black Ace, who we refer to throughout this report as Black Ace 1, stated during his interview that he and other Black Aces were aware that Aldrich participated in the meetings held by the other Blackhawks coaches.96 Black Ace 1 also stated that he and other Black Aces socialized with Aldrich during the 2010 playoffs because they wanted to know how to succeed in the NHL.97 Black Ace 1 recalled Aldrich stating that he “could bury us” in the Blackhawks organization and make sure “you could never play” by saying “not nice things about us.”98 Six additional witnesses told us that, after Aldrich’s separation from the Blackhawks, each heard a rumor that Aldrich threatened players’ careers.99


John Doe also recalled that Aldrich frequently referenced that around this time, Aldrich was speaking to Quenneville about John Doe, and Quenneville wanted Aldrich to show John Doe videos or talk to John Doe about hockey.117
John Doe recalled that Aldrich made clear that Aldrich had a direct line to Quenneville.118

[suntan]

He was raped wasn’t he?

[Buster]

Attitudes like this are why Sheldon Kennedy and Theoren Fleury said it is so hard for players to come forward.

'I mean, how could a 20-year old coming out of junior hockey who's professional career was in the hands of the development and support staff in his first stint with the big club, let one of those people take advantage of them? What a pussy, amirite?! But yeah, totally empathize for his anguish, I'm just saying I didn't let it happen to me so I don't understand how this guy let it happen to him. But yeah, empathy and stuff.' Gimme a break.

The guy 'half a step ahead of the Towel Boy' has his name on the Cup. But since you figure you'd victim blame before the details, this is how a 'grown-ass man' can get manipulated. Worth some additional context that as a first round pick on an entry-level deal, the difference between Beach playing in the NHL or being stuck in the minors is $2.5M over the course of the deal (with up to a million more in bonuses), or less than $200K.

https://jenner.com/system/assets/assets/11549/original/Report%20to%20the%20Chicago%20Blackhawks%20Hockey%20Team%20-%20October%202021.pdf

Sounds like this has hit quite close to home for you.

[kertejud2]

Can a grown-ass man be raped?

Asking for a totally empathetic friend.

[vengie]

If you were a grown-ass man like Kyle Beach, would you have had trouble turning down a blowjob from a creepy, massage trainer? (Or whatever the gross details of the alleged offense are).

I have lots of empathy for his anguish if it's about the Blackhawks not taking his claims seriously. Lots.
I just have trouble picturing the difficulty in turning down unwanted sexual attention from someone who's not exactly running the corporate office. Someone who's about half a step ahead of the Towel Boy.

*And in case this seems overly insensitive... I've literally turned down an unwanted creepy advance from someone in sports. *When I was a grown-ass man. Kids are obviously a different story.

I usually enjoy your replies to most things, but this is a bad take.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Nothing makes me feel more correct than being on the opposing side of some wall of text written by Kert.

*Edit - written before Vengie's response above...

[kertejud2]

Sounds like this has hit quite close to home for you.

If that's what calling out victim blaming sounds like to you, fill your boots.

[Buster]

If that's what calling out victim blaming sounds like to you, fill your boots.

I hate the term 'victim blaming'. It's one of those annoying bits of woke culture that is designed to end conversations that might otherwise be productive.

[ThePenIsMightier]

I usually enjoy your replies to most things, but this is a bad take.

If it comes out (and it appears it has) that the Blackhawks failed to do anything about Beach's claims, then heads should roll and plenty of them.
I cannot fathom the anguish from that scenario. It's a travesty, period.

Falling for a trainer's manipulation and bullshit as an adult certainly doesn't condone anything even remotely related to sexual assault.
I hope that's clear.

Does it show some weakness, though? Is it possible to make that statement without being cancelled by woke culture? There are weak people everywhere and they don't deserve to be manipulated, stolen from or raped. Obviously!! But is it impossible to accuse them of weakness?

It's certainly in poor taste! But is it even possible anymore?

[2Legit2Quit]

Yeah this isn't a matter of he wasn't able to physically prevent the sexual assault from happening, this was a you know that dream you've had and spent your entire life working towards? I'm gunna take that away from you if you don't let me suck your dick and jerk off

Along with the fact the offender went onto some high school based role and raped a 16 year old boy afterward.

[Buster]

If it comes out (and it appears it has) that the Blackhawks failed to do anything about Beach's claims, then heads should roll and plenty of them.
I cannot fathom the anguish from that scenario. It's a travesty, period.

Falling for a trainer's manipulation and bullshit as an adult certainly doesn't condone anything even remotely related to sexual assault.
I hope that's clear.

Does it show some weakness, though? Is it possible to make that statement without being cancelled by woke culture? There are weak people everywhere and they don't deserve to be manipulated, stolen from or raped. Obviously!! But is it impossible to accuse them of weakness?

It's certainly in poor taste! But is it even possible anymore?

We teach people how to not be victims all of the time.

- "look both ways before stepping onto a crosswalk, even if you have right of way"
- "dont take candy from strangers"
- "don't take art classes from ExtraSlow"

We do this because we know that smart decisions, and the strength to make them, can allow people to avoid victimization. We rightly assume agency.

[vengie]

We teach people how to not be victims all of the time.

- "look both ways before stepping onto a crosswalk, even if you have right of way"
- "dont take candy from strangers"
- "don't take art classes from ExtraSlow"

We do this because we know that smart decisions, and the strength to make them, can allow people to avoid victimization. We rightly assume agency.

Its almost as if human psychology and emotion are a powerful contributor to the decisions made by an individual when faced with a certain situation.

Unfortunately decisions aren't always (rarely) dictated by logic.

[Buster]

Its almost as if human psychology and emotion are a powerful contributor to the decisions made by an individual when faced with a certain situation.

Unfortunately decisions aren't always (rarely) dictated by logic.

But they did have opportunity to make a decision, no?

[vengie]

But they did have opportunity to make a decision, no?

In some cases yes, in some cases no.

The flaw with your question though is human psychology is not that simple.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Yeah this isn't a matter of he wasn't able to physically prevent the sexual assault from happening, this was a you know that dream you've had and spent your entire life working towards? I'm gunna take that away from you if you don't let me suck your dick and jerk off

Along with the fact the offender went onto some high school based role and raped a 16 year old boy afterward.

It's not about "you're an athlete - you could've beat him up instead of beating him off". That's a terrible and gross argument which I am not making.

And the offender (if guilty) should be fed to polar bears and I would drive him to said polar bears and his grave should be vandalized for decades to come. He's bad.

I would like to think that more people could resist the manipulation. I'm not saying much more than that.

[Buster]

In some cases yes, in some cases no.

The flaw with your question though is human psychology is not that simple.

Of course they had the chance to say no. They just didn't like the outcome if they did. I get that.

The flaw is not my question, rather it is that sometimes incentives (money, dreams) are strong enough to overcome the desire for personal well-being.

[vengie]

Of course they had the chance to say no. They just didn't like the outcome if they did. I get that.

The flaw is not my question, rather it is that sometimes incentives (money, dreams) are strong enough to overcome the desire for personal well-being.

So you're saying human psychology is not as simple as you're implying.

Glad we agree.

[Buster]

So you're saying human psychology is not as simple as you're implying.

Glad we agree.

I don't disagree with the idea that human psychology is complicated. It obviously is. But we're not talking about psychology, we're talking about actions. You either say yes, or you say no to any particular request or coercion. The psychology might be complicated, but your choices are not.

[kertejud2]

Of course they had the chance to say no.

They did say no.

They were raped.

[vengie]

I don't disagree with the idea that human psychology is complicated. It obviously is. But we're not talking about psychology, we're talking about actions. You either say yes, or you say no to any particular request or coercion. The psychology might be complicated, but your choices are not.

Psychology = Action

[ThePenIsMightier]

They did say no.

They were raped.

Yeah, Buster. Stop denying that rape occurred and supporting your buddy who is denying that rape occurred!!

LeaveBrittanyAlone.gif

[Buster]

They did say no.

They were raped.

The question is could they have avoided the situation? Keep up.

[max_boost]

I don't disagree with the idea that human psychology is complicated. It obviously is. But we're not talking about psychology, we're talking about actions. You either say yes, or you say no to any particular request or coercion. The psychology might be complicated, but your choices are not. Seems simple but just shitty situation overall.

Alternate universe he says no and knocks the guy out. What if.

[kertejud2]

In the current universe he says no and the guy threatens him with a baseball bat.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Psychology = Action

I'd disagree with you on that one.
Psychology influences the action, but it's not the action.

[Buster]

In the current universe he says no and the guy threatens him with a baseball bat.

There are currently hockey players out there being sexually assaulted in the same way by their coaches (or soccer, etc). What advice would you give those players?

[kertejud2]

There are currently hockey players out there being sexually assaulted in the same way by their coaches (or soccer, etc). What advice would you give those players?

I would tell them that there are support services they can use that can much better aid them more than somebody like me who can help them navigate this extremely emotional and difficult issue, particularly if they aren’t ready or willing to go to the police. Such as the Alberta Association of Sexual Assault Services or the Canada Sport Helpline (based on a cursory search).

But maybe I’d use this opportunity to tell them that they’re weak and that it was their choices that led to this to show them I’m not kowtowing to cancel and woke culture and am a tough guy, unlike them

So I guess I’ll go with number two since it’s easier: I’ll tell them to stop being weak and to go back in time to make the choice not to get raped. Problem solved. No more sexual assault!

[Buster]

I would tell them that there are support services they can use that can much better aid them more than somebody like me who can help them navigate this extremely emotional and difficult issue, particularly if they aren’t ready or willing to go to the police. Such as the Alberta Association of Sexual Assault Services or the Canada Sport Helpline (based on a cursory search).

But maybe I’d use this opportunity to tell them that they’re weak and that it was their choices that led to this to show them I’m not kowtowing to cancel and woke culture and am a tough guy, unlike them

So I guess I’ll go with number two since it’s easier: I’ll tell them to stop being weak and to go back in time to make the choice not to get raped. Problem solved. No more sexual assault!

Your advice would be to continue to be raped, but with counselling for it?

Your wisdom knows no bounds.

[kertejud2]

Your advice would be to continue to be raped, but with counselling for it?

Your wisdom knows no bounds.

No, my advice is for them to stop being weaklings who make the choice to be raped.

Can’t you read?

[max_boost]

Indiana University basketball Coach Bob Knight, who told NBC’s Connie Chung, “I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it,” has said his remarks were misinterpreted. :nut:

[Buster]

No, my advice is for them to stop being weaklings who make the choice to be raped.

Can’t you read?

I think it's funny when you get backed into a corner, because you think it's not obvious when you switch to empty sarcasm in a futile attempt to escape.

I guess you can add "pro-rape" to Segregationist on your resume.

[ThePenIsMightier]

No, my advice is for them to stop being weaklings who make the choice to be raped.

Can’t you read?

Oh!! Is that what we said?? I forgot we said that and thanks for enlightening us.

Alright, Tough Guy. Where's the line? Let's get to the real issue and find out where the line is, because there is a line and you will draw it at some selected point.

Who would you get raped by in an NHL organization out of fear for damaging your career? Draw the line on where you no longer believe they could damage your career.
Owner / Owner's Family Member / CEO / President / VP / GM / Coach / Assistant Coach / Scout / Senior Player / Goalie/ Cup Winning Player / Captain / Alternate Captain / NHLPA Rep Player / Doctor / Dentist / Physio / Massage Therapist / Psychologist / Head Trainer / Assistant Trainer / Video Recap Trainer / Stick Boy / Stick Boy (with Down Syndrome) / Towel Boy / 50-50 Ticket Seller / Concession Stand Attendant.

Draw the line.

[kertejud2]

I think it's funny when you get backed into a corner, because you think it's not obvious when you switch to empty sarcasm in a futile attempt to escape.

I guess you can add "pro-rape" to Segregationist on your resume.

I think it’s funny that after saying it’s a rapists fault they were raped, you try to paint what I said as ‘keep getting raped but get counselling’, as if the alternative of saying ‘stop choosing to get raped’ is somehow constructive?

The victims feel they don’t have the choice. That’s the key point you’re missing when you’re passing the buck onto them. That’s the psychology of it. They need to know they have the choice. They need to know the options exist. They feel trapped. Whether it’s Sheldon Kennedy or Theoren Fleury or the Brampton Boys or the US Gymnastics team, none of them wanted to get raped or assaulted and none of them, regardless of how you feel about it, chose to get raped. But none knew they had options or what those options were, and didn’t feel the support was out there to do anything about it. Even when they did come forward they struggled for it. It’s why they put themselves out there.

But that’s just coming from sexual assault victims. Why should anybody listen to them?

[Buster]

They need to know they have the choice.

Now you say they could have avoided being raped by "making choices"?

Pick a lane, ffs.

[kertejud2]

Now you say they could have avoided being raped by "making choices"?

Pick a lane, ffs.

Can’t present a choice that undoes the rape to a victim. You can only offer choices of what to do next.

Follow?

‘Don’t get raped’ isn’t useful for somebody who has already been raped and doesn’t know what to do or where to go. You seem to think offering up those options equates to ‘keep getting raped’, which is concerning.

[JRSC00LUDE]

I feel raped by kert's intellect.

[Buster]

Can’t present a choice that undoes the rape to a victim. You can only offer choices of what to do next.

Follow?

‘Don’t get raped’ isn’t useful for somebody who has already been raped and doesn’t know what to do or where to go. You seem to think offering up those options equates to ‘keep getting raped’, which is concerning.

You can't unrape someone, but you sure as shit can let them know they didn't need to be raped by coercion. That realization sucks ass (tee hee), I'm sure. But it is what it is. Or, as you put it, they "had choices". Just like people in the future "will have" choices.

It's remarkable how adept you are at contradicting yourself.

[suntan]

Just as an FYI, I will gladly be Buster's boytoy.

[kertejud2]

You can't unrape someone, but you sure as shit can let them know they didn't need to be raped by coercion.

What is the way one “needs” to get raped if not by coercion?

Between this and suggesting that a rape victim ‘had the chance to say no’ is some pretty concerning stuff about not understanding the basic concept of what rape is.

[Buster]

What is the way one “needs” to get raped if not by coercion?

Between this and suggesting that a rape victim ‘had the chance to say no’ is some pretty concerning stuff about not understanding the basic concept of what rape is.

There are different ways to rape someone. Duh.

[kertejud2]

There are different ways to rape someone. Duh.

And those are the ways you’re suggesting the rape victim needs to be raped instead in the future?

Gotcha. Beach will remember that for next time. Sounds like quite the empowering choice you’re giving them.

[88CRX]

If you were a grown-ass man like Kyle Beach, would you have had trouble turning down a blowjob from a creepy, massage trainer? (Or whatever the gross details of the alleged offense are).

I have lots of empathy for his anguish if it's about the Blackhawks not taking his claims seriously. Lots.
I just have trouble picturing the difficulty in turning down unwanted sexual attention from someone who's not exactly running the corporate office. Someone who's about half a step ahead of the Towel Boy.

*And in case this seems overly insensitive... I've literally turned down an unwanted creepy advance from someone in sports. *When I was a grown-ass man. Kids are obviously a different story.

Probably should just take a minute or two and read a story about it. Its pretty fucked up.

The kid was threatened by the video coach who would have an impact on his opportunity to play.

[Buster]

And those are the ways you’re suggesting the rape victim needs to be raped instead in the future?

Gotcha. Beach will remember that for next time. Sounds like quite the empowering choice you’re giving them.

You should figure out how to lose arguments with grace. You certainly have enough practice.

As you stated, some people had "choices" which could have allowed them to avoid the rape. People will have those choices in the future to avoid future rapes. Some people don't have that opportunity.

[kertejud2]

As you stated, some people had "choices" which could have allowed them to avoid the rape.

As I stated they need to know they have it. They need to know it's real. The situations these players have found themselves in robbed them of choice. That's the point.

You don't have a choice if you don't know one exists.

Follow yet?


People will have those choices in the future to avoid future rapes. Some people don't have that opportunity.

So after you tell people they don't need to be raped by coercion (but the need to be raped in other ways is apparently still on the table) how does that give them the opportunity in the future?

[Buster]

As I stated they need to know they have it. They need to know it's real. The situations these players have found themselves in robbed them of choice. That's the point.

You don't have a choice if you don't know one exists.

Follow yet?



So after you tell people they don't need to be raped by coercion (but the need to be raped in other ways is apparently still on the table) how does that give them the opportunity in the future?


When you tell someone what their choices are to avoid getting raped, people scream "victim blaming!". You did it in this very thread.

You're arguing against yourself. Again.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Probably should just take a minute or two and read a story about it. Its pretty fucked up.

The kid was threatened by the video coach who would have an impact on his opportunity to play.

Of course it's fucked up. Of course the video coach is bad. I hope someone rapes the video coach, to death.

When I used to work in a warehouse, I was a seasonal worker who sometimes drove a delivery van and sometimes did the crappy jobs no one else wanted to do in the warehouse. I was the lowest guy on the totem pole by a country mile, but I wanted to earn my spot so they wouldn't lay me off as early. And it worked because I did a pretty good job.
There was the Owner > the Manager > warehouse Manager > sales people > warehouse guys > trucker > me. One day, the warehouse guys, the manager and a few sales people were eating in the lunch room with me. I heard the overhead speaker say "Greg - line 1 please. Greg, line 1" and I mentioned it to the sales guy that he should answer the phone if he didn't hear the announcement. The manager laughed and said "that's not Greg, that's Dave. Greg's the Owner. You haven't been blowing this guy, have you?! Jesus, Dave! Have you been tricking this kid into blowing you?!?"

That guy understood.

[kertejud2]

When you tell someone what their choices are to avoid getting raped, people scream "victim blaming!". You did it in this very thread.

You're arguing against yourself. Again.

Telling people there are choices to be made to avoid getting raped but not actually explaining what those choices are is just shitty advice. When you tell someone who was raped that it was their choices that caused them to be raped, that is victim blaming.

Telling somebody to look both ways before crossing the street is good health and safety advice. Telling somebody who walked across the street, and was run down by a driver looking to hit a vulnerable pedestrian that not looking both ways before crossing the street is what let the driver run them down. That is also victim blaming. Especially when the pedestrian did look both ways, it's the driver that made the choice to hit them.

Can you spot the difference?

[Buster]

Telling people there are choices to be made to avoid getting raped but not actually explaining what those choices are is just shitty advice. When you tell someone who was raped that it was their choices that caused them to be raped, that is victim blaming.

Telling somebody to look both ways before crossing the street is good health and safety advice. Telling somebody who walked across the street, and was run down by a driver looking to hit a vulnerable pedestrian that not looking both ways before crossing the street is what let the driver run them down. That is also victim blaming. Especially when the pedestrian did look both ways, it's the driver that made the choice to hit them.

Can you spot the difference?

You're being too loose with the word "cause". This is where you are missing the point.

[kertejud2]

You're being too loose with the word "cause". This is where you are missing the point.

I can’t change the definition of ‘cause’ for you. Sorry.

[Buster]

I can’t change the definition of ‘cause’ for you. Sorry.

You have misdiagnosed your issue.

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This severely punishes Florida for something Chicago did 11 years ago. 7-0 to start? I'm very very uncomfortable with that disruption to Florida and I fuckin hate Florida. There better be A LOT of blood on Joel's hands to be (clearly forced) to resign.
Oh, and guess what's happening to Winnipeg tomorrow? They get to lose their GM. Guaranteed. He better have his hands soaked in blood, too.

I want the offenders to pay. But I don't want a patsy to take the fall to appease some woke losers. That just sweeps more of this shit under the rug and perpetuates the cycle.

[Buster]

I presume they resigned so they didn't have to reveal their part

[vengie]

This severely punishes Florida for something Chicago did 11 years ago. 7-0 to start? I'm very very uncomfortable with that disruption to Florida and I fuckin hate Florida. There better be A LOT of blood on Joel's hands to be (clearly forced) to resign.
Oh, and guess what's happening to Winnipeg tomorrow? They get to lose their GM. Guaranteed. He better have his hands soaked in blood, too.

I want the offenders to pay. But I don't want a patsy to take the fall to appease some woke losers. That just sweeps more of this shit under the rug and perpetuates the cycle.

Have you seriously not read WHY these people are losing their jobs?

Coles notes- the leadership team had a meeting as Beach brought it to their attention, they decided to do nothing to act on it as they didn't want the "distraction" to ruin their chances of winning the Stanley Cup.

Rapist then sexually assaulted a junior staff member (intern?) at the Stanley Cup celebration.

He was asked to resign from the team later that summer after he was given a severance, Stanley Cup ring and his day with the cup.

If you don't see how fucked up that is then I have no idea what to tell you.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Dear Philly,
WtFBBQ your jerseys are the worst. The Midget-B name bars have been unacceptable for years. Now I'm able to look away from that long enough to notice your sleeve numbers are white and your main numbers orange?
Why can't your plane just crash? When were you ever an honorable team? Because I know it's been fully 50 years.

Get some CooperAlls back on to match your trash jerseys.

[Buster]

Have you seriously not read WHY these people are losing their jobs?

Coles notes- the leadership team had a meeting as Beach brought it to their attention, they decided to do nothing to act on it as they didn't want the "distraction" to ruin their chances of winning the Stanley Cup.

Rapist then sexually assaulted a junior staff member (intern?) at the Stanley Cup celebration.

He was asked to resign from the team later that summer after he was given a severance, Stanley Cup ring and his day with the cup.

If you don't see how fucked up that is then I have no idea what to tell you.

Why can't they just come out and say "We fucked up, we deserve to be fired" instead of all of this nonsense about educating themselves, blah blah blah

[vengie]

Why can't they just come out and say "We fucked up, we deserve to be fired" instead of all of this nonsense about educating themselves, blah blah blah

Agree with you there.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Have you seriously not read WHY these people are losing their jobs?

Coles notes- the leadership team had a meeting as Beach brought it to their attention, they decided to do nothing to act on it as they didn't want the "distraction" to ruin their chances of winning the Stanley Cup.

Rapist then sexually assaulted a junior staff member (intern?) at the Stanley Cup celebration.

He was asked to resign from the team later that summer after he was given a severance, Stanley Cup ring and his day with the cup.

If you don't see how fucked up that is then I have no idea what to tell you.

It's the grossest thing in the world. If and only if they are certain Joel and Cheveldayoff have blood on their hands.

We want the same thing. We want the offenders eliminated. But picking arbitrary Blackhawks personnel to take the fall without due process is just letting the real perverts stay hidden in the shadows while the witch hunt gets their blood and fools everyone into thinking the problem is purged. When it's not.

If you can't see that...