LSAT Exam - Information Request

[BokCh0y]

LSAT exam. For those who have written and passed, what do you suggest for prep material and is the Renert prep course worthwhile? I know the exam isn't focused on academic knowledge but rather analytical abilities so it isn't something you can really study for per se.

Can you give me 411 on the written portion and what to expect?

Thanks.

[bjstare]

You want Kaplan for prep. When I did it, it was worthwhile for sure, plus it was only like $1200 or something which doesn't even register on the law school cost scale. (this was a few years back, cost may/likely will have changed since)

As for the exam, the prep course is very indicative of what you'll run into, although I found the prep exams a little easier than the real thing. You are right that it's about analytical abilities (more or less), but you are wrong about not being able to study for it. It's about your ability to apply analytical problem solving quickly and accurately. The more you practice the quicker you will be able to identify the type of question/how to cut out the wrong answers, etc. All of the content should be easily understandable by someone considering law school; getting through it all efficiently during the exam is the real challenge. Time is your enemy with the LSAT. I didn't get into the school I wanted, so I abandoned the pursuit of a law career, but I got a competitive LSAT score after taking Kaplan and putting ~70% effort into prepping for the exam.

[BokCh0y]

Thanks for the info cjblair, I really appreciate it.

Career change time for me and though I've contemplated going back to do law for a while now although I did go back and finish a MBA in 2017, I think imma actually gonna do it now.

How long did you study for? I was going to start and try to write in Jan and hopefully get into Dalhousie for September 2022. I'm less than 2 weeks from the Nov deadline for most schools so unless I want to wait to September 2023....

[killramos]

I’d be very interested to hear what your line of work is that having a previous degree, an MBA, and ultimately a law degree leads to?

Law is a young man’s grind. Articling sounds like literally the worst.

[bjstare]

I studied for a short while, probably 8 weeks of half assed evening study, half ass weekend study and prep classes before the first time… I wrote twice though, the first time my score was crap, 154 or something. Keep in mind the scores are curved, and the competition is stiff. I met people that prepped for a year; many people approach it as if it is their only option, and that’s a really tough mindset to get into if you’re already a few years into a decent career (which I was).

Idk if id say practising law is exclusively a young man’s game, you have to put in long days/weeks no matter what you’re doing if you wanna get ahead. The hours I work now are comparable to some lawyers I know. It all depends what you want to practise and what kind of company you want to work for. Plenty of lawyers out there that only work 8-5 at in house gigs for oil and gas companies. If you want to grind to make partner at a seven sisters firm or be a litigator (I know people in each of those roles), that work can be miserable.

[BokCh0y]

I studied for a short while, probably 8 weeks of half assed evening study, half ass weekend study and prep classes before the first time… I wrote twice though, the first time my score was crap, 154 or something. Keep in mind the scores are curved, and the competition is stiff. I met people that prepped for a year; many people approach it as if it is their only option, and that’s a really tough mindset to get into if you’re already a few years into a decent career (which I was).

Idk if id say practising law is exclusively a young man’s game, you have to put in long days/weeks no matter what you’re doing if you wanna get ahead. The hours I work now are comparable to some lawyers I know. It all depends what you want to practise and what kind of company you want to work for. Plenty of lawyers out there that only work 8-5 at in house gigs for oil and gas companies. If you want to grind to make partner at a seven sisters firm or be a litigator (I know people in each of those roles), that work can be miserable.

Ideally, if I was still young as fuck I would've done law from the start and practiced criminal defense specializing in defending asian organized crime only - Yakuza and Triad specifically. But since I don't want my entire family wiped out, I'll practice something else haha. Seriously I'd like to practice employment and human rights law.

[ExtraSlow]

Having dealt with intellectual property lawyers extensively over the last couple years, I can say that it looks awful. More boring than real engineer, and waaaay more boring than killy's style of "engineering"

[suntan]

Our corporate lawyer charges $230/hr with a three hour minimum. That offsets the boredom.

In most large companies the lawyers are the highest paid employees. Only execs make more.

[killramos]

Does it though?

[suntan]

Well I hear cocaine is a hell of a drug.

[ThePenIsMightier]

LoL at comparing the lawyer's charge out rate to their compensation. I've paid a student lawyer $300+/hr when the reality is that resource is making $60/hr and I've also seen the invoices for the $850/hr guy. It's not exactly a linear scale.

[ExtraSlow]

Charge-out rates are disconnected to compensation. Don't be distracted.

[killramos]

Charge-out rates are disconnected to compensation. Don't be distracted.

People seem to largely be misequating the two

[suntan]

LoL at comparing the lawyer's charge out rate to their compensation. I've paid a student lawyer $300+/hr when the reality is that resource is making $60/hr and I've also seen the invoices for the $850/hr guy. It's not exactly a linear scale.

Captain Obvious to obviate!

The corporate lawyer at unnamed chemical company in town made over $500K. In 2000. Happy now?

The lowest paid exec made US$999,999.

[killramos]

Is “over 500k” a lot?

[ThePenIsMightier]

Captain Obvious to obviate!

The corporate lawyer at unnamed chemical company in town made over $500K. In 2000. Happy now?

The lowest paid exec made US$999,999.

Oh good. I'm so glad to learn that _____ Chemicals has a pay structure of:
$50k-$499k = everyone except the Corp Lawyer
$500k = the Corp Lawyer
$600k = no one
$700k = no one
$800k = no one
$900k = no one
+$999k = Exec's

[ExtraSlow]

Anyone who earns under $600k is lazy.

[suntan]

Oh good. I'm so glad to learn that _____ Chemicals has a pay structure of:
$50k-$499k = everyone except the Corp Lawyer
$500k = the Corp Lawyer
$600k = no one
$700k = no one
$800k = no one
$900k = no one
+$999k = Exec's

Ha ha, you wish $50K was the lowest salary.

And they had two corporate lawyers. And some underling lawyers.

Are you surprised at what execs are paid? Check the shareholders' agreement of any of the big companies in town, they are required to show their compensation.

[killramos]

“Shareholders agreement” eh?

[suntan]

Everybody knows you need consent to get fucked.

[ExtraSlow]

I am someone who reads annual reports for fun. Yes that info is available for every public company.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Ha ha, you wish $50K was the lowest salary.

And they had two corporate lawyers. And some underling lawyers.

Are you surprised at what execs are paid? Check the shareholders' agreement of any of the big companies in town, they are required to show their compensation.

I don't wish anything other than for me to stop reading all of the ridiculous shit you're putting down. What's wrong with you?
Wait - I think this is in my control.

[killramos]

It’s a key part of every shareholders agreement

[suntan]

I like the clauses where the execs are entitled to severance no matter the reason for them not working at the company anymore.

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I don't wish anything other than for me to stop reading all of the ridiculous shit you're putting down. What's wrong with you?
Wait - I think this is in my control.

Did I just break your executive compensation virginity?

[Buster]

Law school and amounting are the same:. Way more interesting if you don't plan to be a lawyer or an accountant long term.

[BavarianBeast]

Sorry for the stupid question, but could you practice law at your own firm without articling?

I’ve got a lot of crooked family members and would love to see them in jail some day

[gqmw]

I like the clauses where the execs are entitled to severance no matter the reason for them not working at the company anymore.

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Did I just break your executive compensation virginity?

Severance is typically tied to time w/ company or length of their non-solicit/non-compete and to account for the fact that it may take a little bit before they find a new job.

I also think you mean management info circular/proxy statement as opposed to shareholder agreement.

[suntan]

Whatever, engrish is my second language.

It's been a while since I looked at one since they all say the same thing essentially.

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Law school and amounting are the same:. Way more interesting if you don't plan to be a lawyer or an accountant long term.

I'd love to be an accountant now. So boring, I need that in my life now.

[themack89]

Law school and amounting are the same:. Way more interesting if you don't plan to be a lawyer or an accountant long term.

Haven't you watched Suits or seen The Accountant w/ Ben Affleck?