13 seconds for 3,000

[jbell]

any ideas on how someone can make a 13 second car for 3000.
i'm thinking a fiero, caddy swap, new clutch.

any ideas.

i want 3 things
-at least 13.9
-reliable to the point where its nearly a daily driver
-good looking. no vw beetles with 350 drops.

im going crazy tring to figure this out :banghead:

[Toma]

Mustang 5.0, '85 to '90 (stick)
3.73 gears
Underdrive pulleys
2.5" h-pipe/mufflers, no tail pipes.

Toma

[jbell]

anything besides a mustang or a fbody?

[T5_X]

Turbo dodge.... maybe.

[jbell]

Originally posted by Ranger_X31
Turbo dodge.... maybe.

what model?

[ninspeed]

talon.. bigger turbo, intercooler.. 12's

[RX-7_TWINTURBO]

Originally posted by ninspeed
talon.. bigger turbo, intercooler.. 12's

i dont think that would be under 3000

the turbo and intercooler are probably worth 3000 alone

[jbell]

Originally posted by ninspeed
talon.. bigger turbo, intercooler.. 12's

that will kill reliability. and the turbo would be pointless without a new exhaust and manifold.

[Boost Infested]

big t3/t4 turbo - about $700cdn
big intercooler - about $700cdn
Clutch - about - about $600cdn

$1000 left for bits and pieces...injectors, fuel controller..etc...

$3000 in mods not including the car...

sure you will put a awd talon in the 12s..:thumbsup:

[Boost Infested]

ok add another $1000 for exhaust....:D

[jbell]

and another 1500 for an awd turbo talon with a good tranny.
:confused:

[boi-alien]

ok lemme get this straight... you want to buy a car, mod it and be able to run 13s for 3000..... you want a stock car that runs 13s? bet an slk32 amg.... i highly doubt you'll be able to pick up a car and get it to run 13s for under 3000... good luck tho, and if it happens let me know so i can congratulate you

[jbell]

Originally posted by crxboi
ok lemme get this straight... you want to buy a car, mod it and be able to run 13s for 3000..... you want a stock car that runs 13s? bet an slk32 amg.... i highly doubt you'll be able to pick up a car and get it to run 13s for under 3000... good luck tho, and if it happens let me know so i can congratulate you

my dad has teh slk320, amg wheels :D

seriously though, look at a pontiac fiero...

car - 800
caddy engine - 900
misc parts so fiero accepts the engine - 700
new clutch - 350
exhaust - 300
seats - 600
TSW Blade 17x7.5 rims - 700
lower - 100
steering wheel - 150
paint - 400

total = 5000.

[90_Shelby]

2.5 turbo dodge, garrett from a turbo 1 at the wreckers, stock intercooler, 40% injectors(dodge stuff) 18 psi boost in an Omni guaranteed mid 13's with traction.

A buddy with a Lancer has run 14.2 with a 100% stock 2.2 turbo intercooled with only mods being bigger injectors and 18 psi. Oh yeah and 3 inch exhaust. With slicks guaranteed 13's

[jbell]

Originally posted by crxboi
bet an slk32 amg....
try 60k over my limit.


turbo dodge, as in a daytona?

[rage2]

Originally posted by jbell
my dad has teh slk320, amg wheels :D

uhh, you're not the illegitimate son that I don't know about are you? :D

[jbell]

Originally posted by rage2


uhh, you're not the illegitimate son that I don't know about are you? :D

for the right price i can be ;)

seriously, any ideas?

[rage2]

You can probably build a go-kart for $3K that'll do 13's. But for a daily driver and reliable, good luck with your quest.

[jbell]

yeah, go cart sucks. totally what i want to avoid

[Redlyne_mr2]

turbo dodge for real, abuddy of mine has a turbo omni in the 13's he has 2500 into it including the car.
t3 turbo, talon intercooler, ecu from mopar (200 bucks not sure what it does), manual boost controller, custom intake using a skidoo cone air filter, boost gauge,
stock everything else including clutch

[T5_X]

hehehe, yah a go kart with a 350 in it, wheelie bars and a mini-funny car body. That would be sweet!

Nah, the fiero sounds pretty good, and on paper it all works out to under 5 grand, but expect a lot more crap that sets you back.

Turbo dodge omni I think is the best for straight line accel, sure doesn't look nice though :rofl:
Daytona Turbo II is also good, a little heftier though.

[Boost Infested]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
turbo dodge for real, abuddy of mine has a turbo omni in the 13's he has 2500 into it including the car.
t3 turbo, talon intercooler, ecu from mopar (200 bucks not sure what it does), manual boost controller, custom intake using a skidoo cone air filter, boost gauge,
stock everything else including clutch

lets see some timeslips...;)

[jbell]

i want it for strtaight line accel.

[redline_13000]

87-90 turbo supra...bigger compressor and intercooler..maybe exhaust..think u could do that for 3000..not including car of course

[jbell]

cmon guys, i said i dont have the car :T

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Boost Infested


lets see some timeslips...;)
ill post them when I get back to red deer in december, i cant believe his tranny hasnt exploded, he shifts harder and faster than anyone ive ever seen, he did run at battle of the imports in august, his best was 14.04@109 mph from what i remember, a weeks later her ran a secret street in edmonton (dont know if thats what its actually called there) and ran a 13.8 @113 , keep in mind this information is all based on memory so dont document it until i post the slips:D

[finboy]

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/the_89_daytona_page_2.html

there you go.

[DSM Power]

Easy... 1st generation Talon Tsi AWD. Assuming you already have the car then add:
Home made boost controller - $25-30
K&N - $60 (or so)
Exhaust - $500 (or less, custom built w/ downpipe)
Driving lessons at the track - $free (lol)

Voila, 13's. :D

Asumming the car is in good shape and runs well, you don't need anything else. Questions?

[Ben]

Originally posted by crxboi
ok lemme get this straight... you want to buy a car, mod it and be able to run 13s for 3000..... you want a stock car that runs 13s? bet an slk32 amg.... i highly doubt you'll be able to pick up a car and get it to run 13s for under 3000... good luck tho, and if it happens let me know so i can congratulate you


Dude, My car I bought for 1500, If I put 1500 into it it would run 13's...sad but true fact my friend. Keep in mind alot of work would be done myself, but to make my car run 13's can be done on 1500 worth of parts

[jbell]

Originally posted by DSM Power
Easy... 1st generation Talon Tsi AWD. Assuming you already have the car then add:
Home made boost controller - $25-30
K&N - $60 (or so)
Exhaust - $500 (w/ downpipe, custom built)
Driving lessons at the track - $free (lol)

Voila, 13's. :D

Questions?

yes, acutally

what drugs are you on. A talon, with only an intake, exhaust, and boost controller running 13's? assuming i buy the controller... you are saying

100 controller
60 intake
500 exhaust

i can have a 13 second car?

let me point out, i do want this to make more than 3 passes.

[buh_buh]

Originally posted by jbell


yes, acutally

what drugs are you on. A talon, with only an intake, exhaust, and boost controller running 13's? assuming i buy the controller... you are saying

100 controller
60 intake
500 exhaust

i can have a 13 second car?

let me point out, i do want this to make more than 3 passes.
this is what you do with the boost controller: TURN UP THE BOOST. Now say hello to 13's.

[jbell]

Originally posted by buh_buh

this is what you do with the boost controller: TURN UP THE BOOST. Now say hello to 13's.

and blow up my car.

[2000impreza]

i think he wants the car to me somewhat reliable. in order to "TURN THE BOOST UP" and run reliable you need a little more than just a boost controller. atleast add injectors and air/fuel computer.

i really don't think a 13s car can be had for $5000 and be reliable.

[finboy]

Originally posted by 2000impreza
i think he wants the car to me somewhat reliable. in order to "TURN THE BOOST UP" and run reliable you need a little more than just a boost controller. atleast add injectors and air/fuel computer.

i really don't think a 13s car can be had for $5000 and be reliable.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/the_8...ona_page_2.html

:confused:

[jbell]

Originally posted by finboy


http://www.thedodgegarage.com/the_8...ona_page_2.html

:confused:

your link has a ... in it.

[finboy]

oops, quoted my previous url

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/the_89_daytona_page_2.html

basically the guy bought a tII daytona, added an extra injector, exhaust, slicks, more boost, and hit mid 13's

[jbell]

good god its ugly though.

[finboy]

yea, but the turbo dodge engine is found in many dodge products.

shadows, spirits, caravans, omnis, lancers. the list goes on and on. these engines hold HUGE potential.

ever seen the 10 second k car?

[buh_buh]

well I'm not expecting you to crank it up to like 36psi or something. But I *THINK* the talons can handle more boost on stock eternals.

[Toma]

LOL, some of you guys are hilarious.....
I'll sell you a guranteed 12 second MUSTANG for $5000 complete.

Toma

[egmike]

Buy a crotch rocket, that el get ya better than 13's :thumbsup:

[jbell]

sorry, no bikes allowed while living where i am. (w/ parents)

what does the mustang consist of?

and whats the plan for the talon.

[James]

Originally posted by Toma
LOL, some of you guys are hilarious.....
I'll sell you a guranteed 12 second MUSTANG for $5000 complete.

Toma

Does it Run?:rofl: if so thats a sweet Deal!....Details??

[boi-alien]

Originally posted by rage2


uhh, you're not the illegitimate son that I don't know about are you? :D

nope you would be his uncle =)

[Scott]

K, I have to post. As part of the turbo dodge club in calgary i have to support the opinion to do a 2.2 or 2.5 turbo. with little money you could buy the car and mod it for 13's. You just have to do your research and get the right stuff.

Also, that 13 sec. omni from Red Deer, is it Blue with paint flakes all over? He was at the Mopar show when we were there and then i talked to him again when we had our J-body meet in red deer. Car looks like Shizen but hauls some serious ass.

[DSM Power]

Originally posted by jbell

what drugs are you on. A talon, with only an intake, exhaust, and boost controller running 13's? assuming i buy the controller... you are saying

100 controller
60 intake
500 exhaust

i can have a 13 second car?

let me point out, i do want this to make more than 3 passes.
See, this comment alone tells me you're not ready to do this. :confused: (And the controller is < $50, not $100.)

I am serious about my guesstimate above... intake, full exhaust, and boost controller set at say 17PSI - voila 13's. Now that will probably be HIGH 13s but 13's nonetheless if you can drive. If the car is in good shape already (always a requirement) then it will last more than 3 passes.... :rolleyes:


Originally posted by jbell

and blow up my car

Hmm, it appears you don't know much about turbo cars... maybe read up on some of the advice the guys are giving here about Turbo Dodge and the DSM then. :werd:

[jbell]

whatever, i know enough, and setting a $2000 eclipse on 17psi is gonna leave you with a dead car.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Scott


Also, that 13 sec. omni from Red Deer, is it Blue with paint flakes all over? He was at the Mopar show when we were there and then i talked to him again when we had our J-body meet in red deer. Car looks like Shizen but hauls some serious ass.
yes haha that would be the one....did he take you for a ride?

[jbell]

bump

[Scott]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

yes haha that would be the one....did he take you for a ride?

LOL, no i didnt go for a ride, but i know its quik. Those omnis are 1000lbs lighter than my daytona and he has virtually the same setup as my car (my IC is front mounted though)

He peeled out from the parking lot and it went fast though. He's a pretty nice guy to talk to as well, Ive talked to him both times I have been in red deer.

[Arthur Dent]

get a 70s Caddy with the 500cid motor. Strip the interior, get some 60s heads, new exhaust, toss the emissions stuff. That would probably get you there.

I seen a couple of Chevette with Buick 3.8L V6s that might tough the 13s.

[ninspeed]

Originally posted by jbell
whatever, i know enough, and setting a $2000 eclipse on 17psi is gonna leave you with a dead car.
there is the problem.. if you are buying a 2000$ turboed car, not shit it will blow becuase it has to be in working order. Face it or not, if you get you hand on a 4g63t thats in great running order, 17psi is nothing.. there is a reason the the 4g63t is up there with sr20det, 2jz engines, ect...

[jbell]

Originally posted by ninspeed

there is the problem.. if you are buying a 2000$ turboed car, not shit it will blow becuase it has to be in working order. Face it or not, if you get you hand on a 4g63t thats in great running order, 17psi is nothing.. there is a reason the the 4g63t is up there with sr20det, 2jz engines, ect...

oh, i understand that.

[ninspeed]

I honestly think that if you where to mabey just save up a little more and invest and a bit better running car (say 6000) then you would be good

[jbell]

ok. i hear you all ;) :nut:
but for the rx-7... what would a 350 swap cost??

[finboy]

engine/tranny - 500-600 for stock if you find a deal
rxy - 1500-2000
mounts - 500 bucks
radiator - not sure, but it has to be big
dual electric fans - 100 bucks

these are my estimated prices in canadian, and i'm sure you will need more.

engine mods, and rear end build up are a must.

[jbell]

Originally posted by finboy
engine/tranny - 500-600 for stock if you find a deal
rxy - 1500-2000
mounts - 500 bucks
radiator - not sure, but it has to be big
dual electric fans - 100 bucks

these are my estimated prices in canadian, and i'm sure you will need more.

engine mods, and rear end build up are a must.


so... 357usd for a engine???! i want it to be in good condition...

[finboy]

shouldn't be too much. i'd look for someone parting out a camaro, trans am, etc. in your area.

best bet is someone parting out a t/a with a 6.6L 400. if it has a 301, or 305, walk away. transmission, most common is a th350, which is fine for your application. if you want more v8 info (mine is pretty limited) try http://www.theperformanceshop.com

there are a lot of knowledgable v8 guys on there.

[infamous]

you should be able to get a brand new one for about 500 usd

[jbell]

brand new 350 engine for $500?!?!
thats nuts. does that include tranny?

[finboy]

probably not.

but then come performance parts.

2000 canadian gor good aluminum heads :eek:

but that is the most expensive part.

what do you drive now?

[jbell]

now i have a auto del sol si. its a cruiser. its nice looking. black, clear corners, lowered, nice system. the ladies love the targa top.

this is my speed car.

so estimate =

car - 1000
engine - 500
tranny - ____
mounts - 300
radiator - 200
dual electric fans - 100


care to fill in that blank?

[finboy]

i got a rebuilt B.O.P. rebuilt, 0 km's for free from a nieghbor, i was going to sell it, but my dad chucked it in the alley and it got jacked :thumbsdow but it was 85 canadian at a garage sale. i'd say 3-400 for a decent tranny.

i'd say keep your car for now, and build this car on the side if you can. it will be a much smaller pain in the ass building the engine outside of the car.

[jbell]

Originally posted by finboy
i got a rebuilt B.O.P. rebuilt, 0 km's for free from a nieghbor, i was going to sell it, but my dad chucked it in the alley and it got jacked :thumbsdow but it was 85 canadian at a garage sale. i'd say 3-400 for a decent tranny.

i'd say keep your car for now, and build this car on the side if you can. it will be a much smaller pain in the ass building the engine outside of the car.

yeah, im keeping my sol till this one is done and running.

[finboy]

good plan.


btw, please none of the following..

underglow
altezzas
fart cans
etc

for exhaust, nothing sounds better than 2.5 inch exhaust, x pipe, and a couple hi flow mufflers.

[jbell]

Originally posted by finboy
good plan.


btw, please none of the following..

underglow
altezzas
fart cans
etc

for exhaust, nothing sounds better than 2.5 inch exhaust, x pipe, and a couple hi flow mufflers.

agreed.

[finboy]

good