Corolla GR debuts Thursday 31st

[cam_wmh]

Good on em for bringing it in.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a39560508/toyota-gr-corolla-release-date/?

Vimeo link, to the reveal.
https://vimeo.com/event/1928953?utm_campaign=5370367&utm_source=affiliate&utm_channel=affiliate&cjevent=9d7bff64aecc11ec82ccf4df0a1c0e0d&clickid=9d7bff64aecc11ec82ccf4df0a1c0e0d

[Disoblige]

Glad they're bringing this engine over. It's just too bad this shell is meh. Whatever, let's see what it looks like.

Also this better have AWD like the Yaris or else they goofed.

[ExtraSlow]

sounds cool. Hope they make lots, hope they sell lots.

[bjstare]

Glad they're bringing this engine over. It's just too bad this shell is meh. Whatever, let's see what it looks like.

Also this better have AWD like the Yaris or else they goofed.

If this doesn't have AWD, that will be a major facepalm.

[DonJuan]

I'm hoping for 4wd, leg room and not many go fast wings/badges.

[heavyD]

Glad they're bringing this engine over. It's just too bad this shell is meh. Whatever, let's see what it looks like.

Also this better have AWD like the Yaris or else they goofed.

:confused: It has "GR-FOUR" on the side skirts.

[DonJuan]

:confused: It has "GR-FOUR" on the side skirts.

GT-Four might mean something, GR-Four might mean something else. I'm not trusting Toyota with ANY badging or nameplates after the BMW Supra.

[Disoblige]

:confused: It has "GR-FOUR" on the side skirts.
It's true, it should have AWD. I am just wanting it confirmed.

[C4S]

Sweet! Hope that Toyota will use a better tune for it, close to 300HP. (many tuning for the Yaris GR to over 300 HP) And hope it is not too heavy and under $50K to start. :thumbsup:

I wonder how much "Markup" the dealer will charge .. $10k? 15K? :eek:

[Buster]

wasnt the Yaris based on the Corolla platform anyway?

[flipstah]

Glad they're bringing this engine over. It's just too bad this shell is meh. Whatever, let's see what it looks like.

Also this better have AWD like the Yaris or else they goofed.

I've read some articles say GR-FOUR which confirms AWD. Probably Haldex FWD-bias but still AWD.

EDIT: heavyD got it covered

[ragu]

I love wide fenders and manual. All the speculation on GR forum is that it’s same motor and AWD system as GR Yaris ie epic. It needs to be priced right in between GTI/ R… if it is then I’m definitely lining up.

[pheoxs]

If its actually turbo-awd it looks like I found a replacement for the fiesta. Always been sad there hasn't been any fun turbo-awd hatches besides the Focus RS / Golf R. Not excited to see pricing on it tho.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I’m excited but unlikely to buy one because my other half won’t drive manual :(

[heavyD]

I've read some articles say GR-FOUR which confirms AWD. Probably Haldex FWD-bias but still AWD.

EDIT: heavyD got it covered

The base AWD system is a poor man's Haldex. In the UK the base model GR Yaris comes with this system. The circuit pack includes front and rear Torsen LSD's as that's the one to have. I imagine the GR Corolla will have this system either standard or optional. If not I'm out on this car.


wasnt the Yaris based on the Corolla platform anyway?

Nope. The GR Yaris is built on Yaris platform but uses the rear subframe of the Corolla. This is what likely makes for a relatively easy transition to a Corolla GR.


If its actually turbo-awd it looks like I found a replacement for the fiesta. Always been sad there hasn't been any fun turbo-awd hatches besides the Focus RS / Golf R. Not excited to see pricing on it tho.

Unfortunately I think it's going to be pricey as the GR Yaris with Circuit pack was priced similarly to the Civic Type R in the UK. I expect it will be in the range of $50k. Historically Toyota performance vehicles have always been priced a the top of their segments and I don't expect this to be any different.

[Kloubek]

Considering how much Demuro loved the Yaris GR, I'm hoping for similar results here. It's a shame it has to be put into something like a Corolla, but it fits the ethos for this kind of car.

As others are saying AWD is a must. Even if it's a basic system, I think the issue with these hot hatches like the GTI is getting grip to put the power down. It's the main reason I haven't actually bought the GTI in the past and have been toying with the idea of a Golf R.

[DonJuan]

Unfortunately I think it's going to be pricey as the GR Yaris with Circuit pack was priced similarly to the Civic Type R in the UK. I expect it will be in the range of $50k. Historically Toyota performance vehicles have always been priced a the top of their segments and I don't expect this to be any different.

So what you're saying is if I want a GR Corolla, I'm gonna need to see $300 oil and not celebrate with triple meat subs. fuk

[Disoblige]

If this is $50k, hell no.

[benyl]

It's totally going to be $50K. Might even be $55K.

[Ukyo8]

It's totally going to be $50K. Might even be $55K.

I think you're right, wouldn't be surprised at all

[gpomp]

Why will this be $50-55k when a WRX with basically the same specs is a $30-35k car?

[bjstare]

If this is $50k, hell no.

There's a miniscule chance this comes in under $50k.

[Buster]

Why will this be $50-55k when a WRX with basically the same specs is a $30-35k car?

Supply and demand.

[DonJuan]

Why will this be $50-55k when a WRX with basically the same specs is a $30-35k car?

This may be a major selling point. Pay the extra 20k not to be associated with the Subie crowd.

*hits the vape* bro

[benyl]

inflation, chip shortage, China in lockdown again. Plenty of reasons for this to be expensive.

[gpomp]

WRX has a 6+ month wait, how much more exclusive do you want?

[bjstare]

WRX has a 6+ month wait, how much more exclusive do you want?

Everything has a 6+ month wait thse days, doesn't it?

I haven't researched this, but I assume the Corolla will be extremely limited in production #'s compared to a WRX.

[ragu]

Why will this be $50-55k when a WRX with basically the same specs is a $30-35k car?

Unfortunately, This might be priced dumb high and still sell out. Just look at Civic Type R, it’s a beefed up Fiesta ST and selling for 4X the price…

[rizfarmer]

Anyone had any dealer conversations yet? I have and they know nothing, not taking deposits. I’ve never been interested in a yet to be released car so don’t know what to expect about securing an order.


Unfortunately, This might be priced dumb high and still sell out. Just look at Civic Type R, it’s a beefed up Fiesta ST and selling for 4X the price…

Have you driven both? I guess ‘beefed up’ is subjective but the type R and the Fist are in different leagues.

[ragu]

Anyone had any dealer conversations yet? I have and they know nothing, not taking deposits. I’ve never been interested in a yet to be released car so don’t know what to expect about securing an order.



Have you driven both? I guess ‘beefed up’ is subjective but the type R and the Fist are in different leagues.

Let me start by saying I love how CTR looks. I drove CTR one day, fiesta ST the next and back to CTR to really make up my mind.

Once a performance car is FWD, it is only fun or maximizes it’s performance in certain conditions: no snow/ gravel etc etc. AWD can be a fun package year around and RWD is more fun in snow, with FWD 6 months of the year it’s just understeer. So, the issue is that CTR is a civic for most of the days in our climate.

Don’t get me wrong. CTR is a great daily package but I couldn’t help but conclude it’s Fiesta’s bigger brother asking for 4x

[Ukyo8]

Why will this be $50-55k when a WRX with basically the same specs is a $30-35k car?

WRX is a dinosaur, so can probably be built quite cheaply at this point, the new one has a new powertrain and new tech but they could never justify a big price hike with the new generation since the performance is almost identical to a 20 year old WRX.
You're going to see higher levels of performance with the new bespoke powertrain and AWD system in the GR Yaris/Corolla.

The new WRX has had a pretty salty welcome by the enthusiast community, while the GR Yaris has been the sweetheart of the automotive world since it came out with almost nothing but positive feedback from all reviewers.
A lot of hype around the new GR cars will allow them to get away with a higher price point.

[rage2]

Why will this be $50-55k when a WRX with basically the same specs is a $30-35k car?
The GR Yaris is a.ready priced above the CTR in markets where both are available. GR Corolla will be even more than the Yaris. If anything I think it’ll be over 55k.

[bjstare]

The GR Yaris is a.ready priced above the CTR in markets where both are available. GR Corolla will be even more than the Yaris. If anything I think it’ll be over 55k.

Yeah, I think a Focus RS had a similar target market to the GR Corolla. It isn't in the same ballpark as a WRX.

[cyra1ax]

My guess is it's going to be around $48k. IMO north of $50k will be a tough ask and it'll end up getting cross shopped against stuff like the A35 and Golf R/S3.

[ExtraSlow]

They are probably going to bring like 7 of these into the country, and they'll be bought by fanbois who don't cross-shop anything. The price isn't the limiting factor.

[Buster]

The GR Yaris is a.ready priced above the CTR in markets where both are available. GR Corolla will be even more than the Yaris. If anything I think it’ll be over 55k.

they will sell out instantly at 55k.

This is currently a cult car for rich people to add to other much more expensive cars.

[heavyD]

Why will this be $50-55k when a WRX with basically the same specs is a $30-35k car?

WRX has a basic Subaru AWD system shared with all Subaru's. Nothing special about it or worth an upcharge. The car is basically an Impreza with the engine out of an Outback. The top spec GR AWD system carries a two LSD's which cost $$ as well the G16 engine is assembled by hand at a dedicated Gazoo Racing line in Japan and a rare production car with ball bearing turbo compared to Subaru dime store boxer engine with paper ringlands, cheap rods and pistons. This car is on the level of the STI which has had no issue justifying $45k+ for years even with an antique engine that's almost 20 years old.

[Disoblige]

Ya you can't compare this car to a WRX, that's for sure.

Although, the fact that this comes to $55k is interesting to see when the RS is a better car overall even back in 2016 and cheaper. Glad I still have the RS :D

[gpomp]

GR Yaris - 257 hp, $55k
WRX - 271 hp, $30k
A35 AMG - 302 hp, $55k
Golf R - 315 hp, $45k
STI - 315 hp, $50k
Focus RS - 350 hp, $50k


Okay so this car will have ~260 hp and will sell for the same price if not more than 350 hp cars? Got it

[bjstare]

Ya you can't compare this car to a WRX, that's for sure.

Although, the fact that this comes to $55k is interesting to see when the RS is a better car overall even back in 2016 and cheaper. Glad I still have the RS :D

Weren't RS's over $60k MSRP by the end of the production run?

[Disoblige]

Weren't RS's over $60k MSRP by the end of the production run?
Mainly because of that LSD upgrade and some minor stuff in 2018 yeah. But 2016 and 2017 models could be had for $50-51k OTD pretty easily.

I also would think someone who bought a 2018 one may have haggled it down too as demand wasn't that great for it back then. Oh well, snooze ya lose.


GR Yaris - 257 hp, $55k
WRX - 271 hp, $30k
A35 AMG - 302 hp, $55k
Golf R - 315 hp, $45k
STI - 315 hp, $50k
Focus RS - 350 hp, $50k


Okay so this car will have ~260 hp and will sell for the same price if not more than 350 hp cars? Got it
Well, I mean I could compare a Mustang to a BRZ too, so... Cars are more than price per HP.

[ExtraSlow]

Bring back the RS
105466

[heavyD]

GR Yaris - 257 hp, $55k
WRX - 271 hp, $30k
A35 AMG - 302 hp, $55k
Golf R - 315 hp, $45k
STI - 315 hp, $50k
Focus RS - 350 hp, $50k


Okay so this car will have ~260 hp and will sell for the same price if not more than 350 hp cars? Got it

The GR Corolla will likely get a HO 300 hp version of the G16.

[killramos]

How anyone buys this over an S4 for 60k is beyond me

[pheoxs]

If it's anywhere near 50k they lost me. No way a Corolla is STI/Focus RS money. Hell a Focus RS isn't even worth Focus RS money.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I’m expecting $48-55k personally.

[Pauly Boy]

Anyone had any dealer conversations yet? I have and they know nothing, not taking deposits. I’ve never been interested in a yet to be released car so don’t know what to expect about securing an order.

My bud at South Pointe said they were taking deposits to hold your name on their list - Then order based on that priority. But outside of that, they know nothing for allocation, price or delivery.

Hopefully there's more info tomorrow night from with the Toyota corporate reveal.

[benyl]

How anyone buys this over an S4 for 60k is beyond me

The S4 is so bloated now. I mistake them for A6’s sometimes as they are so big.

[killramos]

A Corolla isn’t exactly drastically smaller

[Buster]

If it's anywhere near 50k they lost me. No way a Corolla is STI/Focus RS money. Hell a Focus RS isn't even worth Focus RS money.

People are going to have to recalibrate what a $50k driving experience gets you.

[killramos]

People are going to have to recalibrate what a $50k driving experience gets you.

People are going to need to recalibrate what a lot of life experiences cost.

Inflation is fun

[Ukyo8]

How anyone buys this over an S4 for 60k is beyond me

Would never own an Audi outside of warranty nor deal with the maintenance costs, while being perfectly comfortable owning a Toyota outside of warranty.
I think a lot of people are in that camp which is also the reason why Toyotas hold their value so well while Audi's generally (not always) depreciate like a rock.

[killramos]

The whole “would never own it outside warranty” argument has basically 0 impact on a new car purchase.

Change my mind.

[Disoblige]

The whole “would never own it outside warranty” argument has basically 0 impact on a new car purchase.

Change my mind.
It has a lot to do with buying a new car, lol. Most people aren't shakalaka.

[killramos]

I think people are a lot more like shakalaka than you might think

[Buster]

People are going to need to recalibrate what a lot of life experiences cost.

Inflation is fun

troof

[Disoblige]

^^ That's just another way of saying when we're all old, we're going to be those old geezers going "back in my day.... xx only cost $xx"

And the younin's gonna tell us to STFU.

[killramos]

^^ That's just another way of saying when we're all old, we're going to be those old geezers going "back in my day.... xx only cost $xx"

And the younin's gonna tell us to STFU.

The youngin’s are going to be paying for all the stuff our generation and the generation before ours demanded the government buy us on the ol’ Visa card.

[Buster]

new car warranties are very expensive.

[DonJuan]

The whole “would never own it outside warranty” argument has basically 0 impact on a new car purchase.

Change my mind.

Thought process when buying new car:

I plan on driving this car for next 6 years.

Or

Google, set alarm to get rid of this shit in 730 days; no snooze.

[bjstare]

How anyone buys this over an S4 for 60k is beyond me

The two cars serve a nearly entirely different purpose. Off-warranty reliability notwithstanding (even though I think it is a factor), the S4 is basically a capable, comfortable, daily-driver sedan. The corolla is a rowdy hot-hatch tinker toy. I don't see how anyone would cross shop these cars on any basis except purely budget. Also, I haven't shopped for one, but isn't $60k a stripper model S4? Odds are, these won't even compete on price unless you look at the top model corolla with a market adjustment added, vs. a base S4. :dunno:

[killramos]

Isn’t 55k the stripper model Corolla price?

If I’m not comparing stripper model to stripper model let me know

[90_Shelby]

This is currently a cult car for rich people to add to other much more expensive cars.

I clearly don't know enough about this car as I can't comprehend that statement and "Corolla" in the same breath.

[Buster]

I clearly don't know enough about this car as I can't comprehend that statement and "Corolla" in the same breath.

people are spending $120k on Mustangs. $170k on Dodge Rams (lol). $220k on Caymans.

[90_Shelby]

people are spending $120k on Mustangs. $170k on Dodge Rams (lol). $220k on Caymans.

Correct, but I know what those options have to offer including copious amounts of horsepower.

A 250 hp Corolla on the other hand? No comprende.

Doesn't the average Civic make about that much hp?

As mentioned, I'll have to read up on this car, I'm ignorant to what it has to offer.

[Buster]

Correct, but I know what those options have to offer including copious amounts of horsepower.

A 250 hp Corolla on the other hand? No comprende.

Doesn't the average Civic make about that much hp?

As mentioned, I'll have to read up on this car, I'm ignorant to what it has to offer.

It's basically what they are doing to bring the GR Yaris to NA. That car was a sensation. I think you do need to do some reading. :)

[flipstah]

Isn’t 55k the stripper model Corolla price?

If I’m not comparing stripper model to stripper model let me know

Is 'stripper model' expensive level or basic level? I'm lost.

[Darkane]

Correct, but I know what those options have to offer including copious amounts of horsepower.

A 250 hp Corolla on the other hand? No comprende.

Doesn't the average Civic make about that much hp?

As mentioned, I'll have to read up on this car, I'm ignorant to what it has to offer.

Civics don’t make than 200hp currently. An Si will run you 35-38 these days.

Lol.

[90_Shelby]

Civics don’t make than 200hp currently. An Si will run you 35-38 these days.

Lol.

I admit my ignorance.

According to google:

Civic SI - 200hp
Type R - 300hp

So a GR Corolla lands right in the middle?

Edit:

GR Yaris sounds convincingly bad ass. Assuming the recipe is the same for the Corolla and not another Integra, sounds pretty bad ass. I'll wait for the reveal.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-toyota-gr-yaris-first-drive-review-photos/

[ExtraSlow]

new car warranties are very expensive.
Underrated comment.

[riander5]

The whole “would never own it outside warranty” argument has basically 0 impact on a new car purchase.

Change my mind.

I own two german cars outside of warranty.

AMA

[Inzane]

based on the Corolla's hatchback bodystyle, but with extra vents, scoops, and larger wheels and tires that will ensure it looks leaner and meaner

In other words, it's going to look like ass. I guess we'll see tomorrow.

[killramos]

I own two german cars outside of warranty.

AMA

Did you buy them new?

[benyl]

I own two german cars outside of warranty.

AMA

I’ve owned 4 Germans out of warranty. Did no repairs on any of them. Probably was pushing my luck.

I know my C63 has transmission problems soon after the next owner got it. $12k in cost for certified pre owned warranty company.

It’s a roll of the dice.

[pheoxs]

The landing page is up now. 300hp / 273 ftlbs which is a bit of a bump over the yaris.

https://staging.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/grcorolla/



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[ragu]

That looks epic.

[cyra1ax]

Everything seems to check out...only thing left is the price now.

[heavyD]

I'm so glad I put money down last year on one of these as the launch edition with CF roof looks like the one to get.

[ThePenIsMightier]

That picture looks very good.

[Disoblige]

Ooooooh, sweet.

[bjstare]

I'm so glad I put money down last year on one of these as the launch edition with CF roof looks like the one to get.

This is the first car I've seen in a long time that I'm disappointed I will probably miss out on.

[riander5]

Did you buy them new?

I did not

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I’ve owned 4 Germans out of warranty. Did no repairs on any of them. Probably was pushing my luck.

I know my C63 has transmission problems soon after the next owner got it. $12k in cost for certified pre owned warranty company.

It’s a roll of the dice.

Im hoping a bmw b58 / zf8 speed is at least one solid combo I won't have to have too many concerns about

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I put my name on the list this morning, just waiting for them to call for the deposit.

[DonJuan]

I already broke the news to the wife that we might need to replace my daily with a sensible 4dr Corolla hatchback. :burnout:

Need to do something about that honeycomb black lower grill insert. It's the only thing detracting me from the car thus far.

[Pauly Boy]

Looks pretty good. Need that price though.

I'm on the South Pointe list - Let's hope I can get out the door for under $50k

[Buster]

good for you guys for actually pulling the trigger.

I think you're going to be really happy with this car.

[riander5]

This car looks sweet. I wonder if it will do the Civic Type R LE appreciation... maybe need to wait for the special edition

[Buster]

This car looks sweet. I wonder if it will do the Civic Type R LE appreciation... maybe need to wait for the special edition

Depends on how they price it. :)

This car is 100x more desirable than the CTR, IMO.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I’m excited. The fiancé is on board even though she won’t drive it. She’s going to take my bmw most likely and this may or may not replace my FRS.

[riander5]

Depends on how they price it. :)

This car is 100x more desirable than the CTR, IMO.

Definitely. I wonder what a monster the CTR would have been if they slapped some decent AWD on it. Even as boy racer as it looks, I still like em.

[Pauly Boy]

good for you guys for actually pulling the trigger.

I think you're going to be really happy with this car.

I'd like to go more upscale, but everything else is so damn boring & since I still need 4 doors for the immediate future until the kids are older... This fits the bill and ticks all my boxes - Manual, 250hp+, AWD, hatch/wagon. Assuming the price is right, let's hope I get one, there's like 10 people in front of me, lol.

[ragu]

Same here. 10 ahead of me. This will be perfect add to Evo X for winter daily.

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Definitely. I wonder what a monster the CTR would have been if they slapped some decent AWD on it. Even as boy racer as it looks, I still like em.

Yes - this is the problem with CTR. In our climate it is civic for 6 months of the year, and for the other 6 months there are better replacements.



What do you think starting price would be? I'm guessing $40-45k. Right in between GR86 and Supra. This can't go to Supra pricing...

[gpomp]

Fiesta front leg room: 42.2”
Corolla front leg room: 42.0”
Fiesta rear leg room: 31.2”
Corolla rear leg room: 29.9”

Good luck fitting anything in these rear seats.

[90_Shelby]

Fiesta front leg room: 42.2”
Corolla front leg room: 42.0”
Fiesta rear leg room: 31.2”
Corolla rear leg room: 29.9”

Good luck fitting anything in these rear seats.

Trackhawk front leg room: 40.3”
Trackhawk rear leg room: 38.6”


Problem solved.

[killramos]

It’s so simple!

[dimi]

Well, definitely questioning the Golf R deposit. Not that I would actually get either one in the next year and a half anyway.

[bjstare]

Well, definitely questioning the Golf R deposit. Not that I would actually get either one in the next year and a half anyway.

No question required. This is a more desirable car than the golf R in every respect :rofl:

[ercchry]

As long as it doesn’t eat turbos like the new tundra :rofl:

[Tik-Tok]

As long as it doesn’t eat turbos like the new tundra :rofl:

The faster it eats a turbo, the faster it gets a bigger, better turbo.

[Redlined_8000]

I am really liking the looks of this thing. And if it has the same driving dynamics of the Yaris GR I imagine it will be really fun. Surprised they managed to hit the 300hp mark from a 1.6L 3Cyl that is pretty awesome. Only thing im thinking of is how will the boost lag be on that motor especially in Calgary elevation. Probably wont have full boost till 3500 at least.