Current rates for Trades in Oilsands

[ExtraSlow]

Doing a research project for work, and boss wanted to know what current rates were for trades in the Fort MacMurray area.
Not sure if there's a difference for local trades vs ones on FIFO arrangements and camp accommodations.

Interested in anything you can share regarding welders, fabricators, pipefitters, E&I Techs, scaffolding etc.

Let me know your thoughts, and particularly, how busy those trades and the companies that provide them are this year. I think it's a pretty tight market, but that's mostly an assumption.

[spike98]

Doing a research project for work, and boss wanted to know what current rates were for trades in the Fort MacMurray area.
Not sure if there's a difference for local trades vs ones on FIFO arrangements and camp accommodations.

Interested in anything you can share regarding welders, fabricators, pipefitters, E&I Techs, scaffolding etc.

Let me know your thoughts, and particularly, how busy those trades and the companies that provide them are this year. I think it's a pretty tight market, but that's mostly an assumption.

Union rates are posted in their published CBA's and may tick a lot of boxes that you are looking for.

[ExtraSlow]

Do you have a suggestion for a specific union, local, bargaining unit or whatever so I can dig that up? I did find a list on the Alberta govt website, but it's something like 2000 agreements, and it's just a list of them without details.

[pheoxs]

Don't forget to tip your trade workers 18% gratuity.

[Buster]

600k, but only if you work until 8

[msommers]

CLAC is a pretty big union, no idea how you'll extract info from them (or any other union).

Maybe say you're lazy and looking to get paid somehow?

[jwslam]

Don't forget to tip your trade workers 18% gratuity.
What if I hire less than 6?

[vengie]

Anecdotal but E&I Techs are extremely hard to come by.
Most have converted to contract over the past year or two and are commanding huge money (~$250k+/yr)

[ExtraSlow]

Yeah Vengie, I'm hearing the same thing with other trades, and that was the start of this internal conversation with my boss about a potential project. Anyone who can help me get some solid-ish numbers with some kind of backup or reference would be doing me a big favour, and I'd buy you a beer, coffee, sandwich

[max_boost]

600k, but only if you work until 8

If you work around the clock and start your career at 18, can you be a millionaire by 30?

[pheoxs]

If you work around the clock and start your career at 18, can you be a millionaire by 30?

Only a millionaire by 30? Why do you aspire to be poor?

[killramos]

Never get to 7.2 that way

[Darkane]

Doing a research project for work, and boss wanted to know what current rates were for trades in the Fort MacMurray area.
Not sure if there's a difference for local trades vs ones on FIFO arrangements and camp accommodations.

Interested in anything you can share regarding welders, fabricators, pipefitters, E&I Techs, scaffolding etc.

Let me know your thoughts, and particularly, how busy those trades and the companies that provide them are this year. I think it's a pretty tight market, but that's mostly an assumption.

Dual ticket JM max around $74/hr.

https://unifor707a.ca/system/files/Base%20Plant%20%2526%20Firebag%20CBA%20-%20Final%20Version%20-%202020%20-%2011%20-%2006.pdf

let’s dine on Roy’s place cinnamon buns.

[brucebanner]

Project work, low end hourly wage likely starts around $40 and upward.

I've seen several turnaround postings $55+.

[ExtraSlow]

The $40 would be for general labor or helper or something wouldn't it? Seems lower than I assumed for any tradesman.

[haggis88]

You looking for charge out price or what the JMs hourly wage is?

[brucebanner]

The $40 would be for general labor or helper or something wouldn't it? Seems lower than I assumed for any tradesman.

It's defintely low end, but rates have a wide range. Laborers could be in the $3x range. There are other factors such as LOA, retention etc that I see posted.

For this upcoming turnaround season I saw rates low $40 to $60s per hour + LOA / retention. From what I understand getting manpower(person power?:D) for turnarounds are going to be difficult and the companies offering top rates are obviously going to have an easier time.

I'm speaking of rates that employee is paid - not company charge out rates. I don't know what company charge out rates are these days, but they used to be 100+% of employee rate.

[SJW]

About 350?

[brucebanner]

About tree-fiddy?

ftfy

[SJW]

ftfy

Fuck, next thing you'll be giving me mortgage advice.

[ExtraSlow]

Hey, reading through the suncor agreement, that's for employees. If a person was hiring them directly, but as contractors, I'd think they'd get something like 30% higher hourly rates, right?

Also, yes Darkane, I owe you roys place for sure.

[pheoxs]

Hey, reading through the suncor agreement, that's for employees. If a person was hiring them directly, but as contractors, I'd think they'd get something like 30% higher hourly rates, right?

Also, yes @Darkane (https://forums.beyond.ca/member.php?u=16556), I owe you roys place for sure.

Suncor has a lot of really good employee perks, I'd expect >30% gap between employees and contractors. That being said it's also hard to get in as an employee and most people I know went contractor for a few years before getting hired on as employee.

[ExtraSlow]

Yeah this is a research project for me.
Anyone find a CBA for another Fort Mac union or other wage table for skilled trades?

[haggis88]

Yeah this is a research project for me.
Anyone find a CBA for another Fort Mac union or other wage table for skilled trades?

We use unionized millwrights and they are charged to us at ~$85/hr ST, plus OT, plus DT, plus per diem, plus whatever travel and vehicle time they might use since we don't work out of a single place

[brucebanner]

Fuck, next thing you'll be giving me mortgage advice.
:rofl:


Yeah this is a research project for me.
Anyone find a CBA for another Fort Mac union or other wage table for skilled trades?
https://local488.ca/members/agreements/

[Inzane]

If you work around the clock and start your career at 18, can you be a millionaire by 30?

Not if you spend it all on hookers & blow.

Or your wife divorces you and takes a chunk... Or don't forget, alimony and child support.

[msommers]

:rofl:


https://local488.ca/members/agreements/

Nice find!

~45/hr for Fort Mac area for most trades, standard rate. They probably get charged out at what, $120/hr then?

[ExtraSlow]

I'd guess 2x is about the chargeout rate. But I don't know anything.

[brucebanner]

Maintenance agreement - https://cmaw.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/COMBINED-WAGE-SCHEDULES.pdf

Construction agreement - https://cmaw.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/COMBINED-WAGE-SCHEDULES.pdf

[msommers]

Vacation pay of 10%. Damn.

[haggis88]

This is the hall most of the millwrights I've worked with belong to

http://www.saskbuildingtrades.com/assets/Agreement-Millwright-Industrial-2014-2017.pdf

[suntan]

What's their Slim Jim and Monster energy drink stipend?

[ThePenIsMightier]

Does IBEW-424 reveal anything?