Supercharged 2003 BMW 330ci

[redline_13000]

Is it possible for a new 330ci with a supercharger to have 360 hp from the stock 225? Its an "11 000 dollar ASA Supercharger with install)

[ACS-e36]

yes

[whatthe]

Previous E36 Ms run all day long on properly tuned kits taking them from 180whp to 270-300whp. Use 20% drivetrain loss you have some guy giving 360hp quotes. As for next gen BMW stuff you ask about, I could see the 60-70% increase on the newer 330s... not so much the Ms though... piston speed is way to high and the E46 M is already a time bomb.

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by ACS-e36
yes

No it isn't. ASA doesn't even make that stupid claim itself, and their numbers are most likely inflated to gain customers.

http://www.da-motorsport.com/urunler/kompressor/kompressor_en.htm

[ALI BABA]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


No it isn't. ASA doesn't even make that stupid claim itself, and their numbers are most likely inflated to gain customers.

http://www.da-motorsport.com/urunler/kompressor/kompressor_en.htm

If u are so sure that it is inflated to "gain customers" ...show us with evidence or dont jump to conclusions

[ZorroAMG]

First of all, that is a euro site and the Euro HP numbers are always a bit higher than their NA counterparts.

Here are some approximate numbers:

The blower adds approximately 87 HP (done by averaging all the gains of all the smaller displacement motors with blower)
Euro:
318HP x.80=254.4 RWHP

NA
312HP x.80=249.6 RWHP.

Assuming it is a NA car with only the blower as engine modifications, 360HP would be a BS claim even at the flywheel.

[whatthe]

I'm also basing my opinion on the fact that we dynoed this same car (or likely the same) this guy is talking about a year ago and it made 265whp going lean. It was set up with a funny rising rate fuel pressure regulator and the whole fuel system couldn't keep up. Pressure dropped off drastically after 5000 and injectors were already pulsing 100% at 5000rpm. If he has taken the time to fix those problems, there would be gains there potentially lots as we did not get to take up to highest rpm because of fears over the fuel curve. If he's taken time to do other modifications, to engine/pulley or otherwise in the past year since I've been onto other wonderful things, I could see more horsepower easily... either way, I wouldn't lay it as a BS claim for the sake of 30whp when the car made good power with all the wrong fuel system components and didn't get to take the centrifigal blower/rpms up all the way.

That and there are others claiming the ASA kit makes the most hp of the kits and some saying 300whp, so if the guy with his 330ci in Calgary fixed his fuel problems... I don't see any problems with it making that kind of power.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=139026

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by ALI BABA


If u are so sure that it is inflated to "gain customers" ...show us with evidence or dont jump to conclusions

The evidence is in the link, dumbass. Do you have any counter claims?

[ALI BABA]

well my cuzin claims he is going to get a dyno test on his BMW so all will have to do is wait and see. and i bet it will be pushing close to those #'s

[C4S]

:nut: but after spending $11K US ( ~ $15,000 cad ) and plus some nice wheels, suspension set up .. like extra $25,000 spend on a 300CI .. then it is better to buy a real M3 ..... don't you guy think so ? :dunno:

[ALI BABA]

Originally posted by C4S
:nut: but after spending $11K US ( ~ $15,000 cad ) and plus some nice wheels, suspension set up .. like extra $25,000 spend on a 300CI .. then it is better to buy a real M3 ..... don't you guy think so ? :dunno:

11000 CAD not USD .... he supercharged it ,new exhaust(right from the header),intake,oz racing rims18's and of coarse the ASA supercharger...and still people think he dont have 360 hp?WTF?

[hjr]

my cuzzzzin.... have you ever seen sportscarrevolution? on speed. they have this interesting segment called dyno truth or dare. They dyno cars and shut down ricers. Most people over estimate their actual power by a LOT. i would be that you guys make 50-60 whp, not 135.

[three.eighteen.]

Originally posted by whatthe
Previous E36 Ms run all day long on properly tuned kits taking them from 180whp to 270-300whp. Use 20% drivetrain loss you have some guy giving 360hp quotes. As for next gen BMW stuff you ask about, I could see the 60-70% increase on the newer 330s... not so much the Ms though... piston speed is way to high and the E46 M is already a time bomb.

E36 m3s dyno at 210-220whp...surprisingly the 325/328 rated at 189 hp dyno in the 170-180whp range (the freak ones at least), i dont know if a blown 330 could make 360whp...but definetly in the ballpark of 300whp

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by ALI BABA


11000 CAD not USD .... he supercharged it ,new exhaust(right from the header),intake,oz racing rims18's and of coarse the ASA supercharger...and still people think he dont have 360 hp?WTF?

What kind of intake did he use?

[whatthe]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.


E36 m3s dyno at 210-220whp...surprisingly the 325/328 rated at 189 hp dyno in the 170-180whp range (the freak ones at least), i dont know if a blown 330 could make 360whp...but definetly in the ballpark of 300whp

While working out of RCTS for a year doing thousands of dyno runs and countless Dinan installs, you could very nearly over-lay any given E36 M3 chart from one to the other when they were stock. It was amazing to see that all the different cars with different mileage made all very near 180whp on the dynojet. It's a testimant to how well BMW put together the E36 motor as I don't recall seeing any other stock cars overlay as well as this series M did. Don't know if there are any stock runs up on the site, but I know there is a stage 4 kit at least up on the site (http://www.monsterhorsepower.com). With the Stage 4, nearly all responded exactly the same as well... up to 210-215whp.

As for proof...

You can see the fuel starved datalogging type videos we took on the dyno here. One vid is of the injector pulsewidth monitor, the other vid of the fuel pressure which you can see drop off as I described.

http://www.monsterhorsepower.com/movies_pictures/dynojet/BMW/E46_330/DAVID_A/

if you download dynojet run viewer you can also see that this 'fuel sick' car still made over 260whp through the downloads there as well.

To me, it's not a question that it could make 300whp at any rate.

[ALI BABA]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


What kind of intake did he use?

dont know

[ALI BABA]

http://www.germanspeedmerchants.com/asa-sc.html

here is a site u can check out.....This is what he has:

Stage 2 supercharger for a 330ci (E46) 360hp/332 ft/lb

[boostless]

jus show the dyno, im w/ weapon R on this, no way in hell itll make that much power w jus those mods...

[Moe Man]

Originally posted by C4S
:nut: but after spending $11K US ( ~ $15,000 cad ) and plus some nice wheels, suspension set up .. like extra $25,000 spend on a 300CI .. then it is better to buy a real M3 ..... don't you guy think so ? :dunno:


then it is better to buy a 98 camaro LS1 for pocket change and rape both cars with 20 superchargers

oh and ali buba your cuzin is a fag :rofl:

[redline_13000]

ahahahah, ali dont lie to us, the car is a pos:rofl: :rofl:

[ALI BABA]

Moe i wouldn't be talking about my cuzin being a fagget look in the mirror again ....and my cuzin's BMW is worth more than (3) 2001 gmc jimmy's or 30 VW so dont even talk:guns:

[boostless]

jus show the damn dyno

[ALI BABA]

Originally posted by boostless
jus show the damn dyno


he hasnt got it yet, so hold ur horses big guy

[rage2]

A properly tuned supercharged 3.2L E36 M3 motor can put down 340whp (that's 425hp flywheel) WITHOUT an intercooler on pump gas. Reliable day to day power. With an intercooler and upped boost, I wouldn't be surprised to see it put down close to 400whp on pump gas.

With that said, I wouldn't see why a properly tuned supercharged and intercooled 330ci cant put out 360hp flywheel (288whp). Compared to the stock E36 M3 motor, it puts out similar numbers stock. How reliable it is though (strength of internals), I can't comment on, dunno enough about those motors. But 288whp really doesn't seem that far fetched. I mean, every frickin' turbo honda out there puts down at least 288whp with a lot less displacement :).

[Moe Man]

Originally posted by ALI BABA
Moe i wouldn't be talking about my cuzin being a fagget look in the mirror again ....and my cuzin's BMW is worth more than (3) 2001 gmc jimmy's or 30 VW so dont even talk:guns:


my grampas gramma aunts brothers dad has a rolls royce:bigpimp:

in the end your dad still drive a purple lummina.....ya thats right your DAD not you :rofl:

[ALI BABA]

Originally posted by Moe Man



my grampas gramma aunts brothers dad has a rolls royce:bigpimp:

in the end your dad still drive a purple lummina.....ya thats right your DAD not you

:rofl:

:whocares: fagget

and it's all 100% LUMINA not FAKE GTI:guns:

[Dj_Stylz]

BmWz OwNz YoU:bigpimp:

[turbo_charger]

Originally posted by ALI BABA


:whocares: fagget

and it's all 100% LUMINA not FAKE GTI:guns:

what dose a gti have that his golf dosnt have and to refrase what u said your DADS lumina is 100% not yours and why are u arguing atleast he has a ride... and its probebly one of the nicist golfs on this site

[rage2]

OK this thread went nowhere fast. Take your bickering to PM's.