Nissan 180sx or Silvia??

[hoVa09]

A couple times i've seen what looked like to be a silvia s13... one of them I took a closer look but it read 180sx on the back I think. But then I thought to myself, well in Edmonton there are only 180sx hatchbacks with the flipup lights... so could they really be imported s13's ? So now i don't know what to think...:confused:
Are there 180sx's produced in NA that look like s13s?

[hoVa09]

heres what it should look like:
front

[hoVa09]

rear

[shadowz]

That would be a Sil-80 which would be a 180 liftback with the Silvia front clip

[Seanith]

ISn't the coupe rear the actual silvia rear though? i thought Sil-80s were hatches?

[blinkme_210]

Originally posted by ~$eanith~
ISn't the coupe rear the actual silvia rear though? i thought Sil-80s were hatches?

Yep, that's right. The coupe USDM 240SX's that we have here are "Onevias".

[DeathBy240]

The car you are describing is not the one in the picture. A 180SX is an S13. S13 is the chassis code which the 180SX and Silvia share. It bothers mean when people say S13 they think it only means Silvia.

[DeathBy240]

Is it right hand drive?

[habsfan]

ok hope this helps at all, this here is a 180sx/240sx fastback with flipup lights

[habsfan]

this is a silvia, its a coupe with fixed headlights

[habsfan]

and this is a chop that i had done with ms paint (so pardon the shittyness of it) a while ago of a sileighty. fastback bodylined with fixed headlights

[DeathBy240]

Whats with the mirrors in that last pic? :barf: :barf:

[Team_Mclaren]

dont u wantch initial D man, thats the car the chicks drive!:D

Sil-80 is what they called it, like shawdoz said!

[hjr]

Originally posted by shadowz
That would be a Sil-80 which would be a 180 liftback with the Silvia front clip the second pic is a silva (trunk) rear, not a 180 (hatch) rear.

[shadowz]

Originally posted by hjr
the second pic is a silva (trunk) rear, not a 180 (hatch) rear.

That I know, he was saying he saw a car with a Silvia front with 180 glass thats a Sil-80

[hjr]

coo

[hoVa09]

Originally posted by DeathBy240
The car you are describing is not the one in the picture. A 180SX is an S13. S13 is the chassis code which the 180SX and Silvia share. It bothers mean when people say S13 they think it only means Silvia.

sorry... :rolleyes: I don't know too much about silvias as I only live in Edmonton, and I only saw them when I was in Australia

[Seanith]

Originally posted by DeathBy240
Whats with the mirrors in that last pic? :barf: :barf:

They look like Bomex mirrors. Don't be a playa hata my brother! :D

[hoVa09]

Originally posted by shadowz


That I know, he was saying he saw a car with a Silvia front with 180 glass thats a Sil-80

Nah I don't think it was a sil-80 as i've seen one of those b4 in australia..
The back was for sure similar to the second pic i posted, or like like this, which is my cousin's car:


Except it didn't say silvia on the back

[Seanith]

so its just an S13 240sx with a silvia front! :)

[blinkme_210]

You probably saw a USDM 240SX coupe, which has the S13 Silvia flat trunk back, but with a 180SX flip up lights, which would be this car:

In fact they were only made for the North American market, which would explain why you didn't see a Silvia emblem on the back.

http://members.shaw.ca/blinkme_210/usdms13.jpg

[nosegrindR]

the question is really confusing and i'm still trying to figure it out:dunno:

the second picture you posted was a silvia, not a 180sx, if you saw the side windows saying this(180sx), most likely it's a sticker.

OEM JDM 180sx emblems are placed on the 2 side windows (on the fastback models ONLY) and the rear garnish between the taillights.

I hope this answers your question.

[hoVa09]

Originally posted by blinkme_210
[B]You probably saw a USDM 240SX coupe, which has the S13 Silvia flat trunk back, but with a 180SX flip up lights

nope, i saw the front clip too, which had fixed silvia headlights

[blinkme_210]

Originally posted by hoVa09


nope, i saw the front clip too, which had fixed silvia headlights

Seems to me that you know what kind of Silvia you saw, then why are you posting on here asking about it then???

The only logical explaination left is that you probably did see an imported JDM Silvia.

Also, if you actually did see a 180SX sticker/emblem/etc on the back, then the owner doesn't know any better by wrongly badging his car.

[szw]

There's some ricer 240 with 180sx windows in the city.

[hoVa09]

Originally posted by blinkme_210


Seems to me that you know what kind of Silvia you saw, then why are you posting on here asking about it then???

The only logical explaination left is that you probably did see an imported JDM Silvia.

Also, if you actually did see a 180SX sticker/emblem/etc on the back, then the owner doesn't know any better by wrongly badging his car.

Yeah, i guess i did know what i saw :nut:
but i guess maybe it was a silvia, as there's no other explanation for now. I just didn't think there were any Silvias here in edmonton, alberta
(just in case you wanted to know it had an alberta license plate :) )

[SleeperD]

i am lost...

[DRFT-S13]

What color??


Originally posted by szw
There's some ricer 240 with 180sx windows in the city.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by SleeperD
i am lost...
:werd:

can someone just post every sigle kind of silvia/180SX(240SX) there is ????

[blinkme_210]

Here I'll try my best.

JDM: Silvia S13. First introduced with CA18DET engine, later in 1990 changed over to SR20DET engine.
USDM: Bodystyle was never introduced in North America

http://members.shaw.ca/blinkme_210/s13.jpg

JDM: Silvia 180SX. Engine specs also changed accordingly like the S13 Silvia.
USDM: Known here as 240SX. KA24DE engine.

http://members.shaw.ca/blinkme_210/240sx.jpg

JDM: Sil-Eighty, incorporated S13 Silvia front clip with 180SX back. Drifters/racers in Japan started mixing & matching the front/back after crashing, because usually it was a cheaper alternative to do so. Also the mounts and everything matched up perfectly. Was officially manufactured by Nissan Japan in limited quantities.
USDM: Never manufactured by Nissan America, only Nissan Japan. The ones that are here had conversions done to them.

http://members.shaw.ca/blinkme_210/sil.jpg

JDM: One-Via. 180SX front clip, with S13 Silvia back. Same story as the Sil-Eighty with drifters & racers. This was never officially manufactured by Nissan Japan.
USDM: 240SX Coupe. Came with the same KA24DE engine as the hatchback 240sx.

http://members.shaw.ca/blinkme_210/usdms13.jpg

JDM:This 180SX was later re-manufactured in 1996 with a new wing, and the very much sought after "Kouki" taillights. Still the same SR20DET engine.
USDM: Never made for North American market. I think 1994-1995 was the last year for the S13 240SX, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

http://members.shaw.ca/blinkme_210/kouki.jpg

[Team_Mclaren]

thats awesome! thx:clap: :thumbsup:

[mx73someday]

Originally posted by hoVa09

I just didn't think there were any Silvias here in edmonton, alberta

I know of three legitimate Japan domestic Silvia's located in Edmonton. Import Concern has one for sale, and there's another guy who brought two in.

[crazydriver]

wow thanx blinkme... hmm can u also explain the Silvia K's and Q's

[mx73someday]

Silvia J's and Q's are non-turbo, J's is a base model. Q's can still be nicely equipped.

K's are the turbo models, as well as all 180SX. I've heard that some K's don't come turbo, but I have yet to see one.

[redbaron303]

Ya, maybe it was mine that you saw driving around????? Here are some photos taken at my house this last weekend.



http://www.importconcern.ca/stock/100009/more2/106.jpg

http://www.importconcern.ca/stock/100009/more2/104.jpg

http://www.importconcern.ca/stock/100009/more2/112.jpg

[Zephyr]

240sx with the coupe back around 1989 are the rear ends of the silvia s13...the front without the popup is the front of the s13 so if u have both ends u have a silvia s13...

but NA has the silvia s13 with a 180sx front which is called a onevia.. and the ones with the fast back ends is a 180sx basically.... to put in a summary


*drools* i love silvias and 180sx

[sxtasy]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren

can someone just post every sigle kind of silvia/180SX(240SX) there is ????

Originally posted by blinkme_210
Here I'll try my best.

You forgot the convertible
:D

[hoVa09]

Originally posted by redbaron303
Ya, maybe it was mine that you saw driving around????? Here are some photos taken at my house this last weekend.

:drool: maybe i'll buy a silvia from your site :) ..
I don't think i saw yours, maybe i did..can't remember.. but the last one i saw looked like it was being worked and the paint job was not finished either

question, how many silvias are around town?

[blinkme_210]

Originally posted by sxtasy


You forgot the convertible
:D

Oh yeh, I have a few of those convertible pics somewhere in my Silvia collection.

[blinkme_210]

Originally posted by hoVa09


:drool: maybe i'll buy a silvia from your site :) ..
I don't think i saw yours, maybe i did..can't remember.. but the last one i saw looked like it was being worked and the paint job was not finished either

question, how many silvias are around town?

The owner is probably performing a conversion to it or something.

[blinkme_210]

Originally posted by mx73someday
Silvia J's and Q's are non-turbo, J's is a base model. Q's can still be nicely equipped.

K's are the turbo models, as well as all 180SX. I've heard that some K's don't come turbo, but I have yet to see one.

J's & Q's have a 1600cc engine, while the K has a 1800cc engine.

[crazydriver]

o icic, thanx guys... o wut about the redtops and blacktops??

[blinkme_210]

Originally posted by crazydriver
o icic, thanx guys... o wut about the redtops and blacktops??

The first version of the SR20 engines were red tops. Later on, not too sure which year, they switched over to black top. There's no real difference between them at all, same HP, just some minor minor ECU changes, along with some other stuff I can't remember.

Other than the color of the valve covers, essientially there really isn't much difference. But most places charge a little bit more for the black top as opposed to the red top.

[limecorrado]

eventully they came with a 6 speed in the s15 Chassis i think.And i think they got a power increase around the same time.

[DeathBy240]

Originally posted by blinkme_210


J's & Q's have a 1600cc engine, while the K has a 1800cc engine.

That information IS WRONG! They all have the 1.8l DOHC CA18 engine. The difference, like stated above is that the K's come with a turbo (CA18DET) and the Q's and J's are Non turbo (CA18DE).

Edited for my typo. Thanks Cyclone.

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by DeathBy240


That information IS WRONG! They all have the 1.8l DOHC CA18 engine. The difference, like stated above is that the K's come with a turbo (CA18DET) and the Q's and J's are Non turbo (CA18DET). S


dont you mena the N/A mills are a CA18DE??...isn't the "T" the turbo desgination??...Just asking cause I really dont know a lot about Nissan engine codes...

[DRFT-S13]

Yes, "T" is for turbo in the engine designation. Also, i believe the info about the red and black tops is wrong. The black top motors are typically beefier. Example - S13 red top is rated at 205hp, while the later S13 black tops were dialed to the tune of 220hp. That is why there is a premium to pay for the much desired black top engines.

Later model S14 - S15 black tops have the VCT or VTC (whatever it is, Variable Cam Timing) and are easy to spot because of the sloped valve cover (on the tranny side).

Anyways, hope this helps a bit.


Originally posted by CycloneAWD



dont you mena the N/A mills are a CA18DE??...isn't the "T" the turbo desgination??...Just asking cause I really dont know a lot about Nissan engine codes...

[crazydriver]

Ahhh icic, that solves my question of the black and red valve covered SR20 engines, thanx a lot guys