It's that time of year again...

[Fluidic]

I'm interested in selling my GTI. I'm looking at purchasing either a 2001 Audi 1.8T TT or a 2001 BMW 325i as a replacement.

Both have leather. Both have kick ass stock stereos, both have premium interiors; both are sticks -- yet here's the most important difference to me. The Audi is AWD. The BMW is RWD.

I love the handling feel of both drive systems in both winter and summer. I love the BWW straight six, yet I love boost. Both are in my price range. The Audi does have 86,000km on it, and the BMW only 61,000.

Help. :)

[5.9 R/T]

TT's are ugly, I vote BMW.

[max_boost]

What's the price difference?

[t-im]

yeah, price difference?...

[Fluidic]

Close to $3200 bucks.

[max_boost]

Why sedan for one? And why two seater coupe for the other? And why do you want such a slower car?:dunno:

[illeagle]

winter is comming... AWD+BOOST Ownz all..

[Fluidic]

I'm starting to outgrow my "fast" stage. I'm thinking... sexy conservative. Oh... and about the BMW being a sedan -- if all else fails -- I'll pick, using "size" as the determining factor. :)

[Redlyne_mr2]

dude dont get a TT youre not a fucking queer lol

[Fluidic]

Hmmmm...

Mixed reviews thus far. Hmmm.....

[illeagle]

Actually I thought the 1.8T was like an A4 or somthing, reading too fast.. TT's are girlie cars.. Like a porsche boxter, I re-vote, Get the BMW......Again:rofl:

[dj_rice]

Yeah everyone outgrows there fast stage....I'm about that point where I wanna switch to a SUV......


But since u wanna look sexy and conservative and still have a lil get-go I saw BMW 325...throw some chromies on that and u got a chick magnet..that holds...lots of hunnies since its sedan

[dj_rice]

Your like my buddy..had a 240sx converted into a Silvia and traded that in for a 2001 Lexus LS400 :bigpimp:

[BigMass]

I vote TT. Great car. Porsche boxters are girlie cars? wtf are you driving that's so hot?

[ninjak84]

Damn you're hard to please!
I thought you had it right with the E36.

Take something you can make your own this time. I think you'll stay with it for longer and be happier. You never gave the e36 a chance, and you bought the GTI with alot already into it. I know you built up the Jetta, but this time choose something more fun than a slow sedan grocery getter (yeah I said it, bring it on dubbers :D :rofl: ), and put a little more soul into it. Screw the DVD touchscreen LCD decks, bring on the hardcore DTM special order shit!

Anyways, good luck, and I'm sure you'll let us know.

[JordanLotoski]

u can take ober the lease on my 2004 mercedes,,ill even pay the first 2 months:eek:

[C4S]

Originally posted by Fluidic
Close to $3200 bucks.

for only $3200 more .. for sure go for the 325I !

TT is nothing special .. however, lots of them for sale, in good price too ! :)

[t-im]

Originally posted by BigMass
I vote TT. Great car. Porsche boxters are girlie cars? wtf are you driving that's so hot?

:werd:

[BigMass]

http://www.carpicsplus.com/sempower/imagesb/audi15.jpg
http://www.carpicsplus.com/sempower/imagesb/audi16.jpg

[Ben]

Audi S4.

[JAYMEZ]

Peter go BMW

[finboy]

Originally posted by Ben
Audi S4.

i concur

[JAYMEZ]

Hey where do S4 come from lol , if you include s4 , then s4 for sure!

[illeagle]

Well, The porsche boxter is the most girly car of the porsche line up.. Just like how the TT is the chick car in the Audi line up. It's a glorified Beetle with the same motor, same long dash.. BUT that's just my opinion. THEN you go and post pics of the TT race car, that's a cool looking car, but is that the way it's sold? No.. Peter also diden't mention anything about the TT being modded.. Next time someone calls your dream car a chick's car, don't freak out, i diden't say it to piss anyone off..

BTW: sorry to jack your thread, This ends here...

[Kaos]

GO WITH THE BMW.

TT's look too similiar to a VW Beetle. All u need is a flower holder in the TT and BAMMMMMMMM, u got a VW beetle.:D

[BigMass]

Its not my dream car. I'm just saying its a decent car. A lot of good cars get lables girly cars or queer cars like the Miata and Mini. Yeah chicks think they're cute, but at the same time they're driver's cars as well. Yeah it was stupid posting a pick of a race car done up like that, but it's good motivation. Almost makes me want to go out and buy a TT lol.

[ZorroAMG]

Esss Fizzor.

Do it.

[Kid_a]

TT

[1badPT]

I have always liked the TT but the Bimmer gets my vote. What can I say, I'm RWD crazy right now :dunno: Plus the 325i you can fill your speed need in the short term while having a well designed sedan for the longer term. Bimmer.

[Toms-SC]

VW Golf

[ridiculous_]

bmw for sure....didnt u already have a 328 though? why take a step down to a 325?

[FiveFreshFish]

Go with the BMW.




Originally posted by ridiculous_
bmw for sure....didnt u already have a 328 though? why take a step down to a 325?

The 328is was a '97 (previous generation).

[ridiculous_]

but is the E46 325 a 2.5 or a 2.8 then? u condifusd me

[FiveFreshFish]

The 2.5 in the E46 does have less HP and torque compared with the E36 2.8. But it is a newer engine with double VANOS that the old 2.8 doesn't have.

I guess you can consider it as "taking a step down" in terms of HP, but it's one generation newer which means you get all the refinements that come with it. I think the E46 325i is a step up from the E36 328is.

[ridiculous_]

i see whats the power diff i know the 2.8 is like 184 or soehting?

[FiveFreshFish]

M52 2.8L has 190 HP and 206 ft•lb TQ

M54 2.5L has 184 HP and 175 ft•lb TQ


Not that much diff in horsepower but more in torque.

[VWbloke]

TT definitely.

1) The 3 series is such a bland looking car compared to the TT. (stock vs. stock)
2) I have yet to see a modded TT in town - you'll have a brilliant blank canvas to work with.
3) AWD
4) To quote one of my female friends after she had ridden in a TT - "I got wet just sitting in it."

;)

Either way though, both are great cars. You've done the Bimmer thing already though, so perhaps a TT would be a nice change?

Just my opinion.

(TT's aren't girly cars - unless it's a convertible.)

[Fluidic]

I test drove the TT this evening. I was thinking I may be to tall or to burly. But honestly, I felt very comfortable inside. I do have to admit that the roof line for both the windshield AND the side windows are VERY low -- something I would have to get used to.

I have always been a fan of bimmers. Now that I'm able to have more "options" when deciding on the fate of my next car -- I keep finding myself at the doorstep of BMW every time the question of a new car pops in my head.

BMW, Audi and VW will always be number one, two and three on my list. I'm going to test drive the BMW tomorrow. I should have a decision after that.

:)

[Forcefed]

sell the GTI and buy a K-car....:D



On a serious note, TT gets my vote

[C4S]

To quote one of my female friends after she had ridden in a TT - I got wet just sitting in it

;)



:rofl: :rofl: your friend must get wet all the time .. :rofl:

[E36M3]

I've got an Audi now and I like BMWs way better.. if it was me, I would definitely get an E46 325 over a TT.. having said that, I think the TT is a great car.

What is wrong with an A4 1.8T quattro or even an S4?

[A_3]

TT!!! I don't know why but TT's almost seem in a different class compared to the 325, even though both are pretty amazing cars I would say TT gives a little more prestigous vibe if that's what you're going for. I would also highly suggest an S4 if you don't like the TT. Good luck!

[max_boost]

Hey Fluidic, for you, you need at least a 330 in Manual:rofl: :thumbsup:

[nismodrifter]

audi s4 m0f0! or stick to the mk4's and do a jetta wagon :drool:

[E36M3]

You really think a 325 and 330 are that different? To me they seem pretty much the same.. to get a fast car, you need really to get to the M3, so I don't think it is necessary to take a half step :)


Originally posted by max_boost
Hey Fluidic, for you, you need at least a 330 in Manual:rofl: :thumbsup:

[max_boost]

Originally posted by E36M3
You really think a 325 and 330 are that different? To me they seem pretty much the same.. to get a fast car, you need really to get to the M3, so I don't think it is necessary to take a half step :)

Oh I definitely think so! Outside of the usual interior upgrades and exterior body, the 330 has better brakes, transmission, a much more powerful engine, the difference after driving the two is night and day. How can you not notice it?!?! haha

I've actually heard from various people that the difference between the M3 and 330 isn't as wide as the numbers indicate. And that the 330 can actually hang with the M3!?!?!:nut: :dunno:

[E36M3]

Wow.. I have driven the 330 and M3 back to back, and it is hard for me to believe that they are even related.. as for the 325, I seem to have about 99% as much fun driving it as in the 330.. to be honest I didn't even realize (guess I didn't notice) that the brakes/interior/etc were different between the 325 and 330. The brakes/acceleration/suspension, etc. between the 325/330 and the M3 to me are like night and day.

I think anyone that says that a 330 can hang with an M3 has some serious issues (but then again, so do I).


Originally posted by max_boost
Oh I definitely think so! Outside of the usual interior upgrades and exterior body, the 330 has better brakes, transmission, a much more powerful engine, the difference after driving the two is night and day. How can you not notice it?!?! haha

I've actually heard from various people that the difference between the M3 and 330 isn't as wide as the numbers indicate. And that the 330 can actually hang with the M3!?!?!:nut: :dunno:

[ryder_23]

ok, isnt the 325 around 180hp? and 330 220hp? not sure exact figures. But i've riden in both, and the 330 is defintly a far superior car, just like mb said, transmission is great, suspension, brakes, and is or atleast feels way quicker

Edit: After reading the stats...


0-60
330 : 6.4sec
325: 7.6

330 Suspension

Steering Type / Ratio Rack & Pinion / 15.5

Braking system 4 channel ABS

Front brake type / diameter (mm) Ventilated disc / 325

Rear brake type / diameter (mm) Ventilated disc / 320

Suspension, front McPherson strut type

Suspension, rear Independent - Z axle

Drag coefficient 0.31

Tire size, front 225/40 ZR 18

Wheel size, front 8.0J x 18

Tire size, rear 255/35 ZR 18

Wheel size, rear 8.5J x 18


325 suspension brakes etc...

Steering Type / Ratio Rack & Pinion / 15.5

Braking system 4 channel ABS

Front brake type / diameter (mm) Ventilated disc / 300

Rear brake type / diameter (mm) Ventilated disc / 294

Suspension, front McPherson strut type

Suspension, rear Independent - Z axle

Drag coefficient 0.31

Tire size, front 205/55 R 16

Wheel size, front 7.0J x 16

Tire size, rear 205/55 R 16

Wheel size, rear 7.0J x 16


325 engine

Type DOHC I-6 24V

Engine management system Siemens MS43

Displacement (cm3) 2494

Bore and stroke (mm) 84.0 x 75.0

Power (SAE hp @ rpm) 184 @ 6000

Torque (ft/lb @ rpm) 175 @ 3500

Compression ratio 10.5

Fuel grade Premium unleaded



330 engine

Type DOHC I-6 24V

Engine management system Siemens MS43

Displacement (cm3) 2979

Bore and stroke (mm) 84.0 x 89.6

Power (SAE hp @ rpm) 235 @ 5900

Torque (ft/lb @ rpm) 222 @ 3500

Compression ratio 10.2

Fuel grade Premium unleaded


After statistically reading this, i dont see how a 325 and 330 even compare except they both have the same bmw badge, and do share same suspension, but might have diff spring rates

[Ben]

Originally posted by max_boost

I've actually heard from various people that the difference between the M3 and 330 isn't as wide as the numbers indicate. And that the 330 can actually hang with the M3!?!?!:nut: :dunno:

A higher reving engine and an extra 100hp is noticable in my books...doesn't the 330 run like a second and a half slower in the 1/4?. and a second and a half slower in the 0-60?

it's easy to knock time off when you have an 18 second car and move it to a 14 second car, but it takes a lot more power to make a high 14 second car into a low 13 second car.
Guess it comes down with your definition of "Hang with"

To hang with a car I would think would be less than a car length between 2 vehicles in the quarter mile/top of 3rd gear

[E36M3]

I drove the 325 and 330 both with a sport package, both E46s and both of them had the 17 inch wheels.. I'm not sure where your stats are from, but I know that the 330 doesn't come stock with 18s.

In either case, driving both I don't notice a different.. I am pretty sure that they are almost the same fully equipped in terms of suspension, braking and all of that (including interior from what I can tell). I noticed a slight difference in power, but nothing big.

Keep in mind that my mind has been destroyed by driving really powerful cars and that anything with less than 400hp feels incredible slow to me.


Originally posted by ryder_23
ok, isnt the 325 around 180hp? and 330 220hp? not sure exact figures. But i've riden in both, and the 330 is defintly a far superior car, just like mb said, transmission is great, suspension, brakes, and is or atleast feels way quicker

Edit: After reading the stats...


0-60
330 : 6.4sec
325: 7.6

330 Suspension


325 suspension brakes etc...


325 engine



330 engine


After statistically reading this, i dont see how a 325 and 330 even compare except they both have the same bmw badge, and do share same suspension, but might have diff spring rates

[Ben]

Originally posted by E36M3
Wow.. I have driven the 330 and M3 back to back, and it is hard for me to believe that they are even related.. as for the 325, I seem to have about 99% as much fun driving it as in the 330.. to be honest I didn't even realize (guess I didn't notice) that the brakes/interior/etc were different between the 325 and 330. The brakes/acceleration/suspension, etc. between the 325/330 and the M3 to me are like night and day.

I think anyone that says that a 330 can hang with an M3 has some serious issues (but then again, so do I).


:werd: :werd: :werd:

I missed a few posts including yours while writing my reply, was looking on the net to verify stats, and I totally agree with you.

[R-Audi]

Im with a few select others, get an S4... Should be in the same price range, a bit larger interior, not as "girly" as some others say, and definately doesn't lack in power.... PLUS AWD!
And its not as common as a 325. They are pretty bland if you ask me, The 330 doesn't do a lot for me either though....
BTW, this S4 runs 11's....

[ryder_23]

Originally posted by E36M3
I drove the 325 and 330 both with a sport package, both E46s and both of them had the 17 inch wheels.. I'm not sure where your stats are from, but I know that the 330 doesn't come stock with 18s.

In either case, driving both I don't notice a different.. I am pretty sure that they are almost the same fully equipped in terms of suspension, braking and all of that (including interior from what I can tell). I noticed a slight difference in power, but nothing big.

Keep in mind that my mind has been destroyed by driving really powerful cars and that anything with less than 400hp feels incredible slow to me.



errr...i accidentally took 330 M stats :banghead:

BTW: stats are from bmw

heres 330i stats

Engine

Type DOHC I-6 24V

Engine management system Siemens MS43

Displacement (cm3) 2979

Bore and stroke (mm) 84.0 x 89.6

Power (SAE hp @ rpm) 225 @ 5900

Torque (ft/lb @ rpm) 214 @ 3500

Compression ratio 10.2

Fuel grade Premium unleaded


Suspen/brakes

Steering Type / Ratio Rack & Pinion / 15.5

Braking system 4 channel ABS

Front brake type / diameter (mm) Ventilated disc / 325

Rear brake type / diameter (mm) Ventilated disc / 320

Suspension, front McPherson strut type

Suspension, rear Independent - Z axle

Drag coefficient 0.31

Tire size, front 205/50 R 17

Wheel size, front 7.0J x 17

Tire size, rear 205/50 R 17

Wheel size, rear 7.0J x 17


and 0-60 in 6.8 seconds.

Still 330 still has bigger brakes, suspension is the same, engine is bigger, and still more powerful.

All in all there similar, but have some slight differences, but major one is power difference

[E36M3]

In any case, 325/330, equally equipped are basically separated by a small difference in power.



Originally posted by ryder_23


errr...i accidentally took 330 M stats :banghead:

BTW: stats are from bmw

heres 330i stats

Engine


Suspen/brakes


and 0-60 in 6.8 seconds.

Still 330 still has bigger brakes, suspension is the same, engine is bigger, and still more powerful.

All in all there similar, but have some slight differences, but major one is power difference

[bksze]

I say S4

mine specifically haha

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26099&highlight=2001+audi

that's an old thread, msg me if you're interested

ben

[max_boost]

As far as I know, the 330 is under-rated.

For example, an RSX-S has a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds and the BMW 330 has a 0-60 time of 6.8 seconds. And how convenient that I just happen to own both vehicles, RSX-S has no chance against the BMW!! NO CHANCE!!

Car and Driver ran a 0-60 time of 6.1 seconds for the RSX so with bench racing philosophy, the 330 should be even faster. I think the 330 is more on par with a car like the WRX. I find those two very similar power wise. And I believe the WRX runs in the neigbourhood of a 5.8 second 0-60.

But as for my 330 vs M3 argument, those are just some of the things I've heard from a few friends. I'm in no way passing them as facts by any means, so let's get that cleared up.

Anyway, what the hell am I yapping about anyway. I've never test driven an M3 in my life! haha
:rofl:

Hey E36M3, I'm still waiting for that SL55 joyride! Winter's almost here, I might have to wait until next year. Hopefully by then I'll be in a SLK55 or Porsche 996/997! haha:bigpimp:

[Zero102]

Take the BMW, those are fine cars. They command more respect than an Audi TT does, and they're still fast enough to have fun with.
Then again, I'm considering a BMW 325 as well, though it's a little older =)

[E36M3]

Originally posted by max_boost
As far as I know, the 330 is under-rated.

For example, an RSX-S has a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds and the BMW 330 has a 0-60 time of 6.8 seconds. And how convenient that I just happen to own both vehicles, RSX-S has no chance against the BMW!! NO CHANCE!!

Car and Driver ran a 0-60 time of 6.1 seconds for the RSX so with bench racing philosophy, the 330 should be even faster. I think the 330 is more on par with a car like the WRX. I find those two very similar power wise. And I believe the WRX runs in the neigbourhood of a 5.8 second 0-60.

But as for my 330 vs M3 argument, those are just some of the things I've heard from a few friends. I'm in no way passing them as facts by any means, so let's get that cleared up.

Anyway, what the hell am I yapping about anyway. I've never test driven an M3 in my life! haha
:rofl:

Hey E36M3, I'm still waiting for that SL55 joyride! Winter's almost here, I might have to wait until next year. Hopefully by then I'll be in a SLK55 or Porsche 996/997! haha:bigpimp:

The 330 is a fantastic car, one of the best you can get, no doubt. I am just saying that the 325 is too.

As for the joyride, maybe if you're nice I'll take you out in early October when I am back in town. PM me and we'll figure something out.

There is an SLK55 sitting at the dealership here.. I am supposed to go drive it to see what it is like.. I have an order in for the first one to hit California, so I guess I gotta get serious soon as it looks like it might get there in November.

[carzcraz]

Go with the BMW. I did a lot of research on the TT's (looking to buy one previously) and they are by far not the most reliable cars out there. If I'm not mistaken, they were also on the not recommended list of consumer's report last year or the year before.

I test drove one (225Q) and found there to be creaks and annoying noises from the dash and seats. I found the 180Q to be quite underpowered as well, and the 225Q convertible had no shoulder check and tons of road noise.

My dad owns a 5-series BMW that has never given him any problems :)

Good luck

[euro_racer]

i like audi more. but i also heard that audi is a very expencive car to keep (they break down easy).

i am a fan of audi, i had 3 older audis so far and had problems with every single one of em. i dont know how well the new ones are tho.

[Fluidic]

After much deliberation - I have decided to keep the GTI for one more year. That way, I have the chance to test the newer stage-3 kit from APR.

Bought a 1996 Ford F-150 5.0L for the winter. Should be interesting. :)

[R-Audi]

So you might go for the Stage 3+ kit? SHouldn't it be very close to what you have right now power wise? Not a bad way to spend $5400

[Fluidic]

There shouldn't really be a difference between my ATP kit and the APR kit -- just going to test and tune. I'm impulsive.