1993 Pontic Sunfire [Archive] - Beyond.ca - Car Forums

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 06:55 PM

hey dude, stay away from the sunfires! need reasons?

1. ugly
2. ghey
4. slow
5. ghey
12. unreliable
11. flaky
13. ugly
14. ugly

in all truth, i dont know if a 93 sunfire is even worth 4 grand!!! with 4 grand, u should look for something like a crx, 200sx, pulsar, mr2...etc

much more performance and much less headache!! :thumbsup:

buh_buh

11-23-2002, 06:59 PM

i say AE-86

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 07:00 PM

the sunfire is a v6 so it isnt a good car?

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by buh_buh
i say AE-86 i say damn rights!

Originally posted by Jayzbro2001
the sunfire is a v6 so it isnt a good car? err nah dude. i guess u dont know a whole lot about cars, but jsut trust us on this one!! dont go for the sunfire

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 07:07 PM

also what about the cheverlot cavalier sedan 1998 i found one for 4 grand, 64 k miles

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Jayzbro2001
also what about the cheverlot cavalier sedan 1998 i found one for 4 grand, 64 k miles lol dude!! stay away from the j-bodies (cavaliers/sunfires)

they are unreliable and ull be pissed in a couple months when u have to spend a few hundred bucks a month jsut to keep the car on the road

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 07:13 PM

sunfires break down alot, the car has 83 k miles, no scrathes, clean interior, and its going for 3400.

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 07:23 PM

anyone else have thoughts on it? what mostly gets broken down on the car

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Jayzbro2001
anyone else have thoughts on it? what mostly gets broken down on the car everything. its a GM afterall

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 07:41 PM

So what is a nice teen car?

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
with 4 grand, u should look for something like a crx, 200sx, pulsar, mr2...etc

much more performance and much less headache!! :thumbsup:
Originally posted by buh_buh
i say AE-86
Originally posted by 95acc
look for an older import.
Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
import all the way

Hipermax_d

11-23-2002, 08:03 PM

its just if you get a sunfire or cavalier, you can probably buy one for 3-5 grand but after a couple km you might be spending roughly as much as the price you paid for fixing up some parts that break or doesnt function correctly

bosa

11-23-2002, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
hey dude, stay away from the sunfires! need reasons?

1. ugly
2. ghey
4. slow
5. ghey
12. unreliable
11. flaky
13. ugly
14. ugly

I wonder what "aboveandbeyond" will have to say about that,lol. :rofl:

"in all truth, i dont know if a 93 sunfire is even worth 4 grand!!! with 4 grand, u should look for something like a crx, 200sx, pulsar, mr2...etc

much more performance and much less headache!! :thumbsup:"

hell ya!:thumbsup: :clap: :drool:

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 08:29 PM

the car is 3400

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Jayzbro2001
the car is 3400 dont do it man! cavaliers are NOT a good starting point for any car enthusiasts. the only ppl that drive them are old people, or young ppl that got them as hand-me-downs

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Jayzbro2001
the car is 3400 my car was only 1150...and its much faster, more reliable, way more fun, and less ghey than any sunfire/cavalier...

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 09:04 PM

is a pontiac sunfire an old person car?

Sketch

11-23-2002, 09:06 PM

An AE86 (1985~87 Corolla GT-S) is NOT a cheap car to own, nor is it exceptionally reliable. Don't get me wrong, they are fantastic cars to drive, but you really have to love the wrench or be making a lot of money if you intend on keeping the car on the road. I think MotoP summed it up best in this post (http://forums.12hundred.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4432) on club4ag.

If you want a good first car, maybe go with a CRX or an older Sentra, also Mazda made two very nice models of the older 323. One of them was the DOHC 16 Valve 1.6i and the other was the AWD Turbocharged 323GTX (although the latter is a maintainance pig).

GTS Jeff

11-23-2002, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Sketch
An AE86 (1985~87 Corolla GT-S) is NOT a cheap car to own, nor is it exceptionally reliable. Don't get me wrong, they are fantastic cars to drive, but you really have to love the wrench or be making a lot of money if you intend on keeping the car on the road. I think MotoP summed it up best in this post (http://forums.12hundred.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4432) on club4ag.

If you want a good first car, maybe go with a CRX or an older Sentra, also Mazda made two very nice models of the older 323. One of them was the DOHC 16 Valve 1.6i and the other was the AWD Turbocharged 323GTX (although the latter is a maintainance pig). those problems are inherent with ANY old car. im willing to bet that an ae86 is still 100x more reliable than a 17 year old cavalier

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 09:13 PM

is pontiac sunfire an old person car?

Jayzbro2001

11-23-2002, 09:24 PM

anyone?????/

finboy

11-23-2002, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
those problems are inherent with ANY old car. im willing to bet that an ae86 is still 100x more reliable than a 17 year old cavalier

true, my jetta is different though, it breaks down like a 40 year old car because of that damn previous owner (i want him to die :clap: ) :thumbsdow

the cars in your price range are old, have been driven, and will have issues.

i think it depends what you are looking for...

looks?
reliability?
fast?
fun driving experience?

finboy

11-24-2002, 12:28 AM

http://media.canadatrader.com/canadatrader/245/1102/1/92002.jpg

Description : 1985 TOYOTA COROLLA GTS, ps, pb, pm, tilt, am/fm cass, power roof, 4 cyl twin cam, 16 valve, 5 speed, silver ext, 2 tone black & grey int, factory wheels, insurance safety insp, $1,850. Ph (780) 479-1785. Edm.

cheaper than 4 grand

there is also a coupe for 1999.00

i'm going to have to side with jeff on this, much better than a j-body.

hjr

11-24-2002, 01:21 AM

I was under the impression that the 85 GT-S's in canadian spec. didnt come with the Limited slip diff. that make the cars so desired anyways (there are other reasons to).

Jayzbro2001

11-24-2002, 10:09 AM

I want looks, kinda fast, and reliability, i would like to put some rims and thats about it. is the sunfire an old person car? can its last?

bosa

11-24-2002, 10:55 AM

Jayzbro2001: Dude,save yourself the humiliation,dont buy a sunfire,its not worth it,haha.Get an MR2,Prelude,CRX,Integra,etc. :clap: Those are some nice first cars,and they can be affordable. :thumbsup:

Sketch

11-24-2002, 04:46 PM

I agree with CivicLVR on this one. Buy a good Honda, they are very low maintainance vehicles, have lots of tuning potential, and you won't be paying a $1000 "Initial D Tax". Besides that they are easy to find and very affordable. My personal reccomendation would be a first generation (DC1) Integra 2 Dr Coupe. They are very affordable, they handle great and are loads of fun to drive. Plus they have that cool quirky 80's styling I love so much.

Or if you can afford to drop $4500 you could find yourself a Nissan 240SX, which has very modern styling, a big torquey 2.5L engine, a Limited Slip Differential, and has a nice interior.

Aleks

11-24-2002, 05:12 PM

93 sunfires DON'T exist dude. If you can get a 98 cavalier I say check it out before you get it. Full mech report. I had a 91 cavalier for years and only things that went wrong were the alternator and the radiator and that's it in 5 years.
I agree it was ugly as sin and slow but for a high school kid on a fixed income it was reliable and got me from point A to B. So if you don't care about any of this other stuff they can be reliable mode of transport if you take care of them like any other car.

cavybabe98

11-24-2002, 09:15 PM

Jayzbro2001: Cavaliers and sunfires with lower mileage are very reliable cars. Please don't take to heart what these people are saying. Whatever you decide, do a lot of research on it before you buy anything. Just remember that imports can be pretty expensive to work on and trust me, they break down too. They aren't invincible as these guys make them out to be. Just look for something with low miles and that has been taken care of. Sunfires and cavaliers (the jbody cars) are very quickly growing in popularity. If you can find a cavalier z24 that is something to look into because they are a lot faster than the 2.2 engines and they hang with v6's and have a hell of a lot more torque than hondas.

At any rate check out that 98 cavalier...theres a big write up in novembers super street with some pics of some nicely done J's if u want to check that out.

finboy

11-24-2002, 09:29 PM

cavybabe98

11-24-2002, 09:48 PM

Finboy: I think he has a good chance of finding a decent sunfire or cavalier for under $4k, he already stated he found a '98 for $3400. I'm sure it has the 2.2L and no options but they still are quite reliable little engines albeit VERY SLOW. (I own a 2.2) But you're right in saying that you can't find a LD9 2.4 engine for that cheap. The ecotecs are the new engines, they are 2.2L but totally different than the old 2.2's if that makes sense. (read: they are about as quick as the 2.4s)

Anywho, It doesnt really matter what car you get, import or domestic, the higher the miles= the more things that are going to go wrong. So no matter what try to find something with under 50,000 miles and you won't have to worry too much about puttin a lot of money into it! :):)

ninjak84

11-24-2002, 09:49 PM

You absolutely cannot go wrong with a 1989-1990 Honda civic in this case.
It has everything this person is looking for.

- A "young persons" car
- Cheap to buy
- Easy to fix
- Very reliable
- Tons of aftermarket support
- Very good on fuel

GTS Jeff

11-24-2002, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by cavybabe98
Anywho, It doesnt really matter what car you get, import or domesticthat aint true. econobox domestics are flakier than tony the tiger

Scott

11-25-2002, 03:09 AM

You guys are fukin harsh on us J-body owners. How come the streets are flooded with j-bodies? There are cavs and sunfires everywhere you look. They wouldnt be if they were un-reliable. Sure its an economy car, but so are all your Fuckin Hondas and acuras.

OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, EVERYONES GOT ONE so if you dont like a car, say so, but dont bash the shit out of it and pretend that you drive a mercedes.

Weapon_R

11-25-2002, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by Scott
How come the streets are flooded with j-bodies? There are cavs and sunfires everywhere you look.

Probably because the average J-body costs about 1/2 as much as your friendly neighborhood Honda Civic.

Toms-Celica

11-25-2002, 08:21 AM

Baaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mwmhong

11-25-2002, 09:00 AM

It's BAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYMMMMM :)

NEW, domestics offer some things that imports do not.
I like the looks of the Sunfires and Focus, they look more 'sporty' and come with more horsepower per dollar than the imports. Financing is usually better, which is something econobox purchasers are looking for, and they come with a competitive warranty.

USED however, is a different story, these domestics do not age very well. I personally would NOT buy a used domestic vehicle, no matter how cheap it was. Get an import.

My domestic has held up fine over the past 7 years and still looks good, the net book value is in the ballpark of $3,000 less than a similarly priced Civic from 1995, but I still like the car, so the money lost is worth it. :confused:

Davan

11-25-2002, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
hey dude, stay away from the sunfires! need reasons?

1. ugly
2. ghey
4. slow
5. ghey
12. unreliable
11. flaky
13. ugly
14. ugly

Those are some pretty lame reasons man.

Ugly? For starters, looks are subjective. What looks decent to some looks like ass to others. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

Ghey? Yeah.... this is based on what?

Slow? Compared to? My J-body runs 16 flat at race city. Only performance mod is a warm air intake. I'd say that's half decent for a brand new car that only cost 22 grand. Obviously there's faster out there. But there sure as hell are slower too.

Unreliable? What evidence have you got to support this? Everyone knows I personally have been having problems with my car. But that's just my car. On the J-body site for Alberta, I can recall only two cars leaving their owner stranded over the last two years. One was mine. One was a friend in Calgary... Out of 382 members, 2 have been stranded by these so called "unreliable" cars.

Flaky? What does this mean? Another way to say Unreliable? :dunno:

legendboy

11-25-2002, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Davan

I'd say that's half decent for a brand new car that only cost 22 grand.

ok, so whats your car worth after 1 year? A little more than half :eek: Thats reason enough to not buy one imo!

Davan

11-25-2002, 11:08 AM

Sure. I'm not argueing that. I won't argue that, cause it's close to the truth. (Half isn't quite accurate. Mine is two years old and books at about 15-16 grand. Half would be only 11.)

But I do have a problem with comments like ugly, ghey, slow and unreliable, when no supporting facts are presented.

GTS Jeff

11-25-2002, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Davan
Sure. I'm not argueing that. I won't argue that, cause it's close to the truth. (Half isn't quite accurate. Mine is two years old and books at about 15-16 grand. Half would be only 11.)

But I do have a problem with comments like ugly, ghey, slow and unreliable, when no supporting facts are presented. the supporting facts are quite apparent if you open your eyes.

Davan

11-25-2002, 11:20 AM

Why don't you tell me some if you think you know all about it.

Davan

11-25-2002, 11:21 AM

You know what. Don't even bother. It's not worth my time to try to argue with someone who has already closed his mind. I don't understand why you have such hatred towards J-bodies, and frankly, I don't care.

Later,

Davan Wong.

:)

Toms-Celica

11-25-2002, 01:26 PM

SVT Focus!

Redlyne_mr2

11-25-2002, 01:45 PM

Davan Im not here to bassh your car at all..but look at all the problems youve been having with the car, the dealership and the actual company

Davan

11-25-2002, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
Davan Im not here to bassh your car at all..but look at all the problems youve been having with the car, the dealership and the actual company

Like I said, I've been having problems with MY car. But everyone else? Nope. I got a lemon. They are not all as bad as mine.

Scott

11-25-2002, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
the supporting facts are quite apparent if you open your eyes.

That statement is just lame. (an obvious fact i observed is everytime i log on to this website you are Jerkin off, find a woman dude)

Davan pointed out everything i wanted to say, except that the resale thing is obvious. A Domestic compact won't hold resale value like an import will. But that doesnt make them unreliable and "Ghey"

eur0

11-25-2002, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by ninjak84
You absolutely cannot go wrong with a 1989-1990 Honda civic in this case.
It has everything this person is looking for.

- A "young persons" car
- Cheap to buy
- Easy to fix
- Very reliable
- Tons of aftermarket support
- Very good on fuel

:werd: dont get me wrong, two of my friends have sunfires and they are nice cars, but between the two, unless you can pick up a fairly new GT sunfire, id say go with an older civic! the mechanics behind the car are simple and the car is pretty damn cheap, or get a crx...those cars are sweet rides...but its ur decision...we had a 1990 cavalier that we got for cheap that i used as a daily driver but once i got my civic there was no comparison, we had a lot of mechanical problems with the lier and ended up costing soo much more than than the civic has. But both were fine cars! But now im a honda junkie :D

maybe I had a lemon but both cars costed exactly the same when purchased

legendboy

11-25-2002, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Davan
Sure. I'm not argueing that. I won't argue that, cause it's close to the truth. (Half isn't quite accurate. Mine is two years old and books at about 15-16 grand. Half would be only 11.)

But I do have a problem with comments like ugly, ghey, slow and unreliable, when no supporting facts are presented.

ahh, no. the black book calls your car at $8800 rough book!!!

Your car Retails at $12,900

I'm not saying your car is not nice but I'm just trying to prove a point!

Davan

11-25-2002, 03:44 PM

If you can search the classifieds and find a 2001 Cavalier Z24 for less than 10 grand, let me know ASAP!

Every time I've seen one they are going anywhere from 14-17 depending on options and mileage.

Trust me, I'm looking at selling my car, I've researched what it's worth.

Davan

11-25-2002, 03:49 PM

Where did you get your numbers anyways? I don't think you can trust book values. Kelly Blue Book in US dollars, gave me this:

2001 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 Coupe 2D

Engine: 4-Cyl. 2.4 Liter
Trans: 5 Speed Manual
Drive: Front Wheel Drive
Mileage: 28,000

Equipment
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
Power Windows
Power Door Locks
Tilt Wheel
Cruise Control
AM/FM Stereo
Single Compact Disc
Premium Sound
Dual Front Air Bags
ABS (4-Wheel)
Sliding Sun Roof
Rear Spoiler
Premium Wheels

Retail Value $13,305

That's 20 grand canadian. No way my car is worth 20 grand.

GTS Jeff

11-25-2002, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Scott
A Domestic compact won't hold resale value like an import will. But that doesnt make them unreliable and "Ghey" ure absolutely right. its the other way around:

a j-body isnt unreliable and ghey because of its low resale value.....it has a low resale value because its unreliable and ghey.

GTS Jeff

11-25-2002, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Davan
You know what. Don't even bother. It's not worth my time to try to argue with someone who has already closed his mind. I don't understand why you have such hatred towards J-bodies, and frankly, I don't care.

Later,

Davan Wong.

:) u said it chief!

ninjak84

11-25-2002, 05:33 PM

Haha, I told you Jeff!
No way were you going to lay off j-bodies for an entire couple of days!!:rofl:

ninspeed

11-25-2002, 06:16 PM

First off, yes you may see lots of sunfires/cavs on the side of the road, but look at how many there are. Now i work for gm, and ill say right now not the best car in the world, but as long as you maintain it like anyother car it will run. Also, there is no 2.4l Ecotec motor, jus a 2.4 twin cam... the ecotec is a 2.2l and make a clamed 140hp... as for ugly.. i am not the biggest fan of sunfires, but i do like some..
http://www.albertatuner.ca/images/kevin.jpg

300rwhp

11-25-2002, 06:21 PM

$4000? get an 88-93 mustang gt or lx. you will have to get one with like 180000 kilcks on it. the engines will run forever. the funniest thing of all is that you would be able to absolutely cream most of the guys on this board with the 30000 doallar cars!!! HAH THAT ALWAYS AMUSES ME. on another note about this j body bashing...... there is no way you can count me in as a j body lover.... or even a liker..... or someone that remotely likes them( i am incredibly biased against gm even when i shouldn't be) . BUT in all actuality there not that bad. Davan you said yours went 16 flat with just an intake? thats awesome:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
doens't that make all you smart asses with your new preludes and integras feel slower than the rice rocket you have in your mind?all my buddy could get out of his 2000 prelude sh was mid sxteens!!! in terms of old imports being all that much more reliable i think it is more of a myth than people think.,my buddy had a 1990 civic hatch that sucked ass. it had its share of problems. and either way the domestic will be much cheaper to fix.

so back to the guy that wants a cavity.... oops cavilier. from my standpoint i would have no reson to recommend them, but if that is what you like don't let some mamma boy with a 30000 honda tell you that its not good enough.
about the ae86. what makes you think that would be a good option? only the rear drive? its not like it has much power. from my experiences with friends having simmilar cars they said they were very unreliable. ( he still loved it though)

CRXguy

11-25-2002, 06:30 PM

Hey Rob,

Is that Kevin's car? That crazy bastard!:thumbsup:

ninspeed

11-25-2002, 06:42 PM

Yep its kevins car.. finaly got it back and rims on :D but now he has his house to "mod"... :D

legendboy

11-25-2002, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Davan
If you can search the classifieds and find a 2001 Cavalier Z24 for less than 10 grand, let me know ASAP!

Every time I've seen one they are going anywhere from 14-17 depending on options and mileage.

Trust me, I'm looking at selling my car, I've researched what it's worth.

Trust me, I'm a wholesaler, I get the black book every month, I've also been selling cars for about 4 years for different dealers around the city as well as on my own.

GTS Jeff

11-25-2002, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by 300rwhp
$4000? get an 88-93 mustang gt or lx. you will have to get one with like 180000 kilcks on it. the engines will run forever. the funniest thing of all is that you would be able to absolutely cream most of the guys on this board with the 30000 doallar cars!!! HAH THAT ALWAYS AMUSES ME. on another note about this j body bashing...... there is no way you can count me in as a j body lover.... or even a liker..... or someone that remotely likes them( i am incredibly biased against gm even when i shouldn't be) . BUT in all actuality there not that bad. Davan you said yours went 16 flat with just an intake? thats awesome:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
doens't that make all you smart asses with your new preludes and integras feel slower than the rice rocket you have in your mind?all my buddy could get out of his 2000 prelude sh was mid sxteens!!! in terms of old imports being all that much more reliable i think it is more of a myth than people think.,my buddy had a 1990 civic hatch that sucked ass. it had its share of problems. and either way the domestic will be much cheaper to fix.

so back to the guy that wants a cavity.... oops cavilier. from my standpoint i would have no reson to recommend them, but if that is what you like don't let some mamma boy with a 30000 honda tell you that its not good enough.
about the ae86. what makes you think that would be a good option? only the rear drive? its not like it has much power. from my experiences with friends having simmilar cars they said they were very unreliable. ( he still loved it though) life is more than the 1/4 mile.

300rwhp

11-25-2002, 10:06 PM

typical response, i have done some basic mods to my suspension and im sure i could keep up to your "drift macine" in the turns.

GTS Jeff

11-25-2002, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by 300rwhp
typical response, i have done some basic mods to my suspension and im sure i could keep up to your "drift macine" in the turns. thats not what im insinuating man...

but reread your post. all u ever talk about is which car is faster, which one can be faster than more expensive cars...

geez man, so what if a 10000 crapmobile is faster than a 50000 bimmer? a car isnt a rocketship. and its not just about pure handling either. its about the whole deal. a car should be refined, smooth, and be able to connect the driver to the road and act as an extension of the driver.

izzoblitzo

11-26-2002, 12:53 AM

hmm.. $8G's might be a bit low for a 2K cavalier... unless its got HIGH clicks. Im lookin through the classifieds and a 2k cavalier with 36k is going for $13K. A simular one but from '99 is going for $12K.

Most of the z24's from the 2k era is going for 15K and up.

But a search in some of the US classifieds are turning up 9-11G's for a z24.. which would also convert to something like 15G's Cdn.

But a 2k z24 going for 8G? hook me up with the source man.. not bad for a pretty new car. Are you sure 8G isnt the wholesale cost for the car?

I've had my car for two years now.. going on to three.. havent had any problems with it, and its a daily driver. Its all about how you take care of your car.. my friend had problems with his brand new accord two months after he got it.. likewise with my cuz, he's got a 1992 accord thats also shot too.. its only got 150K clicks on it too..

On a side note, with most new cars, its all globalized. GM is HUGE! They own like a bit of everything! The below article states that GM owns 20% of Subaru! Who knows.. maybe they own the company that makes my refridgerator and toaster oven.

:dunno:

http://www.genisystems.ca/Ij/archives02/02MAY02.htm

sunfiredude

11-26-2002, 01:22 AM

fock y'all bulshit haven't had any problems with mine yet!

get what suits you the most and what you will be happy driving. thats the bottom line.

GTS Jeff

11-26-2002, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by sunfiredude
fock y'all bulshit haven't had any problems with mine yet!

get what suits you the most and what you will be happy driving. thats the bottom line. u better not be the guy with 3 wings on your sunfire

TomTom

11-26-2002, 03:53 AM

1. ugly
2. ghey
4. slow
5. ghey
12. unreliable
11. flaky
13. ugly
14. ugly

but also 15. there wheels! its a car! you can go places. may not be the cool car you want but its a car. bottem line

legendboy

11-26-2002, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by sunfiredude
fock y'all bulshit haven't had any problems with mine yet!

get what suits you the most and what you will be happy driving. thats the bottom line.

hahaha, nice interior :poosie:

Davan

11-26-2002, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by 300rwhp

Davan you said yours went 16 flat with just an intake? thats awesome:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Actually, I stretched that one a bit... it was 16.127 @ 86.68 with just intake.

The 16 flat was with no carpet and no passenger and rear seats. ;) :D

infamous

11-26-2002, 10:54 AM

hehe well even still. i haven't commented on this thread yet, but i can't keep my thoughts to myself anymore.

jeff: you are just a post whore :D i know one when i see one.

the j bodies are not bad cars. my brother got a 2002 sunfire in mid august, and it already has 15k km's on it. the only issues that we have had are that there was a piece of plastic missing from the interior, and the plasic under the front bumper was cracked. all got replaced by the dealer. it has the 2.2l, and it goes not too bad. it isn't fast by any means, but with no mods, full interior everything, it ran a 17.316, and that's not bad, considering that it only has 115hp. the fact that he got it for 12,600 all said and done was pretty good as well. for that price, to be able to get a new car with warranty and everything, is a deal that you won't find very often. all in all, i like it, and for a car that's cheap, reliable, and good on gas, i would say it's a good deal.

now onto civics:

for a brand new 4 door civic, with cd player, floor mats, and mud flaps all said and done is $17,042.35. i got that price from honda.ca. so for about $4442.35 less, you can get a sunfire. that's a lot of cash that you can put into the sunfire to make it faster. not to mention the sunfire has more torque and the same hp as the civic. but i am not going to do any bench racing, because as we all know, it's pointless.

both have their strengths and weaknesses, and they are both good cars, imo.

so the bottom line is to get the car that most suits you. there are some facts and some :bullshit: that has been posted. this is just what i know and have found out. i hope it helps.

infamous

GTS Jeff

11-26-2002, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by infamous
there was a piece of plastic missing from the interior, and the plasic under the front bumper was cracked. only a j body!! not even my 17yr old toyota is that flaky!

and isnt someone forgetting tht these things dont handle? they just dont handle. at all.

Davan

11-26-2002, 11:33 AM

Excuse me? What evidence do you have to back that up? I garantee you my slightly modded J-body will outhandle your AE.

GTS Jeff

11-26-2002, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Davan
Excuse me? What evidence do you have to back that up? I garantee you my slightly modded J-body will outhandle your AE. i thought u were done talking to me. oh well.

1. you have a z24
2. your car isnt stock
3. my ae's suspension is doing a bit worse than stock right now

Davan

11-26-2002, 11:39 AM

Excuses excuses. Look, i'm not trying to start anything. I just don't appreciate your slander when you don't really know anything about the cars.

This summer I'll take you for a rip in my car at solo2. I think I might be able to change your mind. Well, not about the build quality, but about the handling and power part. :)

GTS Jeff

11-26-2002, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Davan
Excuses excuses. Look, i'm not trying to start anything. I just don't appreciate your slander when you don't really know anything about the cars.

This summer I'll take you for a rip in my car at solo2. I think I might be able to change your mind. Well, not about the build quality, but about the handling and power part. :) youre on bud!!

sunfiredude

11-29-2002, 12:30 AM

no i dont have 3 wings

Ben

11-29-2002, 01:11 AM

My VW is 19 years old...runs like brand new, and quick too:D

Not too bad for 1500 Bones...:thumbsup: ;) :poosie:

Hakkola

11-29-2002, 01:12 AM

I say go for a crx man. They're neat little cars, but it's your money so do your thing boy.

My friend bought a 93 cavalier i think, don't think it was a z24, and he paid almost 5 grand!!! Did he get ripped off? He bought it like 6 months ago, he's spent almost 5 grand fixing problems already.

IMHO, spending money on an OLD USED domestic is not worth it, buying new would be because of the warranty and no mileage, my suggestion would be to save up more money and buy a car that is 2 years old, thats lots of depreciation which has already occurred and there's still a warranty hopefully.
Remember, you get what you pay for, if i were you I'd wait and save up more cash.

Almost forgot the weird smell in my freinds car, some other guy with a cav i think was talking about this, anyone figure out what it is????

Scott

11-29-2002, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by sunfiredude
no i dont have 3 wings

Dude you should get 2 more then, I have all 3 now and its like driving a waay different car. People look at you all the time and are thinkin to themselves "man, thats tight, look at the one waaaay up there, that must hold him to the road like glue":D

RX-7_TWINTURBO

11-29-2002, 02:35 AM

Have any of you sunfire guys ever seen the Scorpions that were out for a little while ??

im not Bashing sunfires but honestly i think that was a big mistake for pontiac ...

5 piece body kit and 20 more horse on a Sunfire GT for almost 10 Grand more ...where is the logic behind that ??:dunno: :dunno:

GTS Jeff

11-29-2002, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by RX-7_TWINTURBO
Have any of you sunfire guys ever seen the Scorpions that were out for a little while ??

im not Bashing sunfires but honestly i think that was a big mistake for pontiac ...

5 piece body kit and 20 more horse on a Sunfire GT for almost 10 Grand more ...where is the logic behind that ??:dunno: :dunno: most car manufacturers try to jip us that way.....just liek hondas lame ass FP packages....or their new thing with the TL...

its called the 2003 TL Type S "A Spec".

u pay about 3000 for a oem bodykit, floormats, shift knob, and badges....no true mods...

Scott

11-29-2002, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by RX-7_TWINTURBO
Have any of you sunfire guys ever seen the Scorpions that were out for a little while ??

im not Bashing sunfires but honestly i think that was a big mistake for pontiac ...

5 piece body kit and 20 more horse on a Sunfire GT for almost 10 Grand more ...where is the logic behind that ??:dunno: :dunno:

are you talking about the ones that were at stampede pontiac? those were just a dealer installed thing. the dealer put the RK kit on a couple of sunfire SE's (not even gt's) and gave them a whiteface gauge cluster