RX-7 vs. 03Cobra

[david394]

Cobra: Lightening pulley, X-pipe, Magnaflow Cat-back, Diablosport chip, intake, and 4.10 gears....ran 11.50's


RX-7: Garrett GT35 (17 PSI on pump gas)

2.7 mb

5/5

TGR

http://flathat.woodstream.net/ColumbusRacing/RX7_nocab_vs_03Cobra.WMV

:clap:

[ecstasy_civic]

hahaha the mustang got owned!

[david394]

There goes $40,000 wasted on a Cobra.

[Dope Dealer]

:rofl:

RX-7's are :bigpimp:

That Cobra got 0wned!

[shadowz]

Even the car with the camera man almost caught up to the mustang lol

[Toms-Celica]

That dont look like an 03, its hard to tell

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by shadowz
Even the car with the camera man almost caught up to the mustang lol

:werd: :rofl: :rofl:

[lammer]

you guys see the new mustang?...Omg its horrid.

[Hipermax_d]

dont know if im right but it sounded like one of the car had a shift miss

[Toms-Celica]

The Mustang did, it just stopped....then started again
Amazing how the RX7 got ripped off the line...

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by Hipermax_d
dont know if im right but it sounded like one of the car had a shift miss The guy in the 'stang missed a shift. They were neck and neck until that happened.

[hjr]

so faulty driving, not shitty car. Sure i dont really like em, but Cobra's are fast. No amount of bitching about V8's can change that.



Originally posted by david394
There goes $40,000 wasted on a Cobra.

how much do you think the RX-7 cost???

[david394]

RX-7 cost propably at least $28-30,000. Still significantly less than the cobra, and sounding and performing a whole lot better.

[ConVict]

Dude there is no way in hell you can buy a new RX7 Turbo for 30..
Sure a used one that is 7 years old... Which then means that you could buy a 7 year old cobra for 15-20 000...
Stock for Stock no quite sure what would win but its not even close to saying a cobra cant keep up with an rx7 thats bullshit...
Plus it sure costs a hell of a lot more to make an RX7 fast , then a cobra!

[SickBastard]

I love the 03 cobras.

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by ConVict
Dude there is no way in hell you can buy a new RX7 Turbo for 30..
Sure a used one that is 7 years old... Which then means that you could buy a 7 year old cobra for 15-20 000...
Stock for Stock no quite sure what would win but its not even close to saying a cobra cant keep up with an rx7 thats bullshit...
Plus it sure costs a hell of a lot more to make an RX7 fast , then a cobra!

take a stock 7 year old rx-7 and a stock 7 year old cobra around the same track and the rx-7 will rip the shit out of it... the v8 cobra is too heavy... rx-7s are :bigpimp: ... 2700lbs and 50/50 weight distribution

my 2 cents

[[GaGe]]

rx7's are :bigpimp: anyone know the HP in a RX7 TT?

[300rwhp]

you really dont know what your talkin about do you french driver
stock for stock same year oh wait they stopped makin the rx7 long time ago and how much more did it cost then over a mustang cobra 18000 vs 27000 i think then again a mustang is like convict said much easier to modify griggs racing suspension on a 03 cobra rx7 will not beat it for the same price

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
you really dont know what your talkin about do you french driver
stock for stock same year oh wait they stopped makin the rx7 long time ago and how much more did it cost then over a mustang cobra 18000 vs 27000 i think then again a mustang is like convict said much easier to modify griggs racing suspension on a 03 cobra rx7 will not beat it for the same price

they still make the rx-7 in japan until 2003 btw

plus they stopped making them in 1996 in the US but thanks for coming out...

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by ConVict
Dude there is no way in hell you can buy a new RX7 Turbo for 30.. there is no way in hell you can buy a new RX7 Turbo period.

[GT2NV]

Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
there is no way in hell you can buy a new RX7 Turbo period.
werd:(

[300rwhp]

sorry when was the last time you could register a right hand drive car that wasnt 15 years old. If i remember third gen rx7's arent 15 years old yet

but you know thanks for comin out ass

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
sorry when was the last time you could register a right hand drive car that wasnt 15 years old. If i remember third gen rx7's arent 15 years old yet

but you know thanks for comin out ass

dude,

i said 7 year old car... 2002-7 = 1995... they made them in the us (which is left-hand-drive) until 1996

1995 < 1996

:confused:

[MYKN]

man that mustang got beat good..even tho he may have missed a shift, look at the gap between the 2 cars its pretty big.

[RGAGT]

The Rx-7 Would Rape a Mustang on a road Course But in a Straight line From a Stop and with a good Driver the Corbra Would have beat the Rx-7 and Brand New the 96 Rx7 Was Like $70-$80 Grand

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
you really dont know what your talkin about do you french driver
stock for stock same year oh wait they stopped makin the rx7 long time ago and how much more did it cost then over a mustang cobra 18000 vs 27000 i think then again a mustang is like convict said much easier to modify griggs racing suspension on a 03 cobra rx7 will not beat it for the same price I would debate that. The new cobra goes for what, like $55k canadian? I can't find the exact price on an '03, so feel free to correct that figure. You can buy a '93 RX-7 in good condition for around $30k. That still gives you $25k more to play with in terms of making it handle better and get more power out of it. By the time you dump 25 large into an RX-7 it will be more than a match for an '03 cobra with a race suspension on the road course.

[david394]

Just remember, a new Cobra starts at $38,000. By the time you're done, you should already be nearing the mid $45-50,000 mark. With that money you can buy an RX-7 for around $25,000. I see them selling for that price all the time. And by the time you hand over $ for the RX-7, you still would have at least $20-25,000 left. And have a better looking, and sounding car. With enough oomph to run a porsche, or ferrari hard for it's money. So where is the bargain at? RX-7

[kenny]

I'll throw my useless tidbit into this whole stang vs rx-7 argument.... didn't they stop production on the new cobras? So, chances are the ones they delivered already are all snapped up so you can't even buy the car, might as well go the rx7 route and modify it! :)

[ConVict]

why the hell are all of you comparing a bran new 2003 cobra price to a 93 RX7... why the hell coudnt you buy a 93 Cobra and have 35000 to mod it... You are all arguing about things that dont make sense....
If you buy the SAME year cars the COBRA will cost LESS...
why would you argue you would have 20 grand left over if you bought a 10 year old rx7 to a BRAN new cobra... why the fuck woudnt you just buy a 10 year old cobra...
The FACT is... A mustang CAN go faster for LESS money in the mods area, and it has larger displacement which means in the long run no matter HOW much money you spend the cobra will be the FASTEST of the 2...
And no I am not talking about a road course eitehr I am talking about 1/4 times...
In which case you can buy an older S2000 and spend 15000 in mods, for the same price as a 96 RX7 TT... and it will beat it on the 1/4 and road course...
Now to continue my rambel.. if the RX7 wasnt as rare.. and selling for a LOT LOT cheaper, then you guys could have an argument but its not, so you dont


ps I know I am a jerk...

[4wheeldrift]

Why the hell are we arguing a 2003 cobra against a ten year old RX-7? You've been in this thread from the begining and you haven't figured that out yet? Watch the video again, it should become fairly obvious rather quickly.

Fun fact, a 1993 RX-7, stock, is faster than any of the cobras in recent memory, until they bumped the power to 320hp around 1998 or so. And it still outhandles a stock mustang (even a cobra). Once you start modding the cars, things don't change all that much. The RX-7 requires a lot less work to pull monster skid pad numbers than it does for a cobra of the same generation to do the same, and the RX-7 doesn't need to make nearly nearly as much power because its close to 500 lbs lighter to boot. Yes, you can make a cobra faster, but it still costs money to do so. You might be saving 10k buying an older mustang GT (the cobra didn't even come around again until later anyways), but by the time you are done with that 10 grand you are going to have a car that might be a bit faster everywhere, or it might be a lot faster in a straight line. But its still not going to be significantly faster overall than the RX-7, and it won't be nearly as refined.

And no, you cannot buy an older S2000 and spend the extra $15k in mods, because a 3 year old S2000 (the car was only introduced in 2000) still goes for more than a used RX-7 does.

And not only are you a jerk, you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by ConVict
why the hell are all of you comparing a bran new 2003 cobra price to a 93 RX7... why the hell coudnt you buy a 93 Cobra and have 35000 to mod it... You are all arguing about things that dont make sense....
If you buy the SAME year cars the COBRA will cost LESS...
why would you argue you would have 20 grand left over if you bought a 10 year old rx7 to a BRAN new cobra... why the fuck woudnt you just buy a 10 year old cobra...
The FACT is... A mustang CAN go faster for LESS money in the mods area, and it has larger displacement which means in the long run no matter HOW much money you spend the cobra will be the FASTEST of the 2...
And no I am not talking about a road course eitehr I am talking about 1/4 times...
In which case you can buy an older S2000 and spend 15000 in mods, for the same price as a 96 RX7 TT... and it will beat it on the 1/4 and road course...
Now to continue my rambel.. if the RX7 wasnt as rare.. and selling for a LOT LOT cheaper, then you guys could have an argument but its not, so you dont


ps I know I am a jerk...

OK: here are the specs for a 94 RX-7 R2 and a 94 Mustang Cobra

COBRA
1994 Mustang SVT Cobra
4.9 L V-8
3565 lbs

240 bhp
285 lb/ft

0-60 ---> 6.6 sec.
1/4 -----> 15.1 sec.


RX7
1994 Mazda Rx-7 TT R2
1.3L two-rotor
2716 lbs

255 bhp
215 lb/ft

0-60 ---> 5.1 sec.
1/4 -----> 13.36 sec.

These are both official specs from Mazda and Ford... :confused:

[ConVict]

4wheel drift...
Everyone is arguing that a RX7 that is 10 years old is a better buy cause its 30 g and a 2003 Cobra is 55... so they arnt close to being the same cause you could spend 20 000 on the rx7 and make it way faster... I know in the VIDEO its a 2003 cobra, but I dont give 2 shits about the video... People arnt TALKING about the video they are saying RX7 is WAY faster then a COBRA and a way better price... then comparing a 2003 year car, to a 93...

Just looking at a Car site right now...BESIDES all the talk from before...
The 99 SVT Cobra Mustang is 320bhp and does the 1/4 in 13.9 sec @ 102.4 mph and goes for $28 000 american
the 95 RX7 puts out 239 bhp and does the 1/4 in 14.0 sec @ 99 mph
Looks pretty close in comparison if you ask me... And one costs a HELL of a lot more then the other...

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by ConVict
4wheel drift...
Everyone is arguing that a RX7 that is 10 years old is a better buy cause its 30 g and a 2003 Cobra is 55... so they arnt close to being the same cause you could spend 20 000 on the rx7 and make it way faster... I know in the VIDEO its a 2003 cobra, but I dont give 2 shits about the video... People arnt TALKING about the video they are saying RX7 is WAY faster then a COBRA and a way better price... then comparing a 2003 year car, to a 93...

Just looking at a Car site right now...BESIDES all the talk from before...
The 99 SVT Cobra Mustang is 320bhp and does the 1/4 in 13.9 sec @ 102.4 mph and goes for $28 000 american
the 95 RX7 puts out 239 bhp and does the 1/4 in 14.0 sec @ 99 mph
Looks pretty close in comparison if you ask me... And one costs a HELL of a lot more then the other...

go check the prices of a new 93 rx-7 TT... they were sold for about $32,000 usd which is not far off the price of the new cobra

and the bhp of an Rx-7 is 255 FOR SURE not 239... my 1/4 times were stock mazda specs... not from some random website

I'm not saying i hate the cobra... i'm just trying to point out that i'd would rather spend my $32,000 on a new-rx7 (if you could still buy them) then spend it on a new cobra

just my two cents... :dunno:

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by ConVict
4wheel drift...
Everyone is arguing that a RX7 that is 10 years old is a better buy cause its 30 g and a 2003 Cobra is 55... so they arnt close to being the same cause you could spend 20 000 on the rx7 and make it way faster... I know in the VIDEO its a 2003 cobra, but I dont give 2 shits about the video... People arnt TALKING about the video they are saying RX7 is WAY faster then a COBRA and a way better price... then comparing a 2003 year car, to a 93...

Just looking at a Car site right now...BESIDES all the talk from before...
The 99 SVT Cobra Mustang is 320bhp and does the 1/4 in 13.9 sec @ 102.4 mph and goes for $28 000 american
the 95 RX7 puts out 239 bhp and does the 1/4 in 14.0 sec @ 99 mph
Looks pretty close in comparison if you ask me... And one costs a HELL of a lot more then the other... You're only looking at ONE FACET of the vehicles performance. The world is not flat and straight, there are corners and you do have to stop every once in awhile (more frequently than just the end of the strip). According to your stats that you dug up from god only knows where, the mustang is just barely faster in the quarter (and, I'd like to add that 14.0 for the RX-7 is rather suspect, I've seen times closer to 13.3 for a stock one at sea level), but the RX-7 is faster through the corners and stopping. Not to mention the fact that a 95 RX-7, in '99, would have gone for around $25K US or so, which is in fact less than $28k. You still aren't managing to prove anything other than that you don't know how to use a search engine properly. For sheer grunt and ultimate potential in a straight line, its tough to beat a mustang. But the RX-7 is a far more refined machine, stock to stock (it was in '93, and it still is). Sure, the new mustang is faster, but I don't drive in a straight line everywhere i go, and I insist my cars turn and stop in stock form.

[300rwhp]

umm refinement 4wheeldrift you know lots about cars and therefore you know the reliability of rotary motor is not high especially in high horse applications you also know as well as i that a mustang is a far better platform to begin any project be it road race 1/4 mile or endurance even better for rally

[300rwhp]

convict was refering to the video in which the cars were not cornering
secondly the race would be rather dift if it was on a drag track from the tree

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
umm refinement 4wheeldrift you know lots about cars and therefore you know the reliability of rotary motor is not high especially in high horse applications you also know as well as i that a mustang is a far better platform to begin any project be it road race 1/4 mile or endurance even better for rally

i've never seen a rally mustang in my life :dunno:

[Toms-Celica]

This thread should be locked, its getting stupid...

[hjr]

Originally posted by frenchdriver


i've never seen a rally mustang in my life :dunno:


ive seen many. They have a stonger chassis, so they are a pretty good place to start. Except for the fact that it is RWD. then you really want to go for Mitsu or subbie.


but of course, this is off topic.

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
umm refinement 4wheeldrift you know lots about cars and therefore you know the reliability of rotary motor is not high especially in high horse applications you also know as well as i that a mustang is a far better platform to begin any project be it road race 1/4 mile or endurance even better for rally My apologies, I should have specified. I'm talking about chassis refinement. Mustangs are extremely reliable, because the components of the vehicle itself have seen a lot of refinement over the years. But its not refined, from a chassis perspective. The chassis is like a limp noodle and requires much stiffening for rally and racing applications. The suspension design is laughably poor by today's standards. Every aftermarket suspension company worth mentioning immediately proceeds to move suspension pickup points and connectors around to get a far more beneficial geometry than what the car started out with. Hell, except for the cobra they are still using live axle rear suspensions. The braking systems have never been anything to write home about, and can be at best described as adequate. This is what makes something like an RX-7, IMO better than a mustang. You can make the mustang every bit as fast as an RX-7, quite a bit faster for that, but the platform you have to start out with requires a lot of work to get it really working.

[300rwhp]

ahh but that is where the question of econmics comes in
to buy a mustang and upgrade suspension to say griggs or maximum motorsports (not saleen) is far more economical then purchasing a rx7 3rd gen. However for that matter you must surely have seen the many 1 st gen rx7's with 5.0 or 5.7 domestic motors in them the weak link in the rx7 is by far its engine it is quite a technical marvel but fails all form of reliabilty even in stock form. Yes a mustang is not a good car for rally but inmho it is far superior to an rx7. I rather think the mustang chassis is quite acceptable to rally racing on a budget. Take for instance shannon from wms he won the kannaskis rally in a mustang 5.0 by simply moving the engine and transmission back 5 inches and thus ataining 50/50 weight dist. Of course this is stricly budget build up method

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
ahh but that is where the question of econmics comes in
to buy a mustang and upgrade suspension to say griggs or maximum motorsports (not saleen) is far more economical then purchasing a rx7 3rd gen. However for that matter you must surely have seen the many 1 st gen rx7's with 5.0 or 5.7 domestic motors in them the weak link in the rx7 is by far its engine it is quite a technical marvel but fails all form of reliabilty even in stock form. Yes a mustang is not a good car for rally but inmho it is far superior to an rx7. I rather think the mustang chassis is quite acceptable to rally racing on a budget. Take for instance shannon from wms he won the kannaskis rally in a mustang 5.0 by simply moving the engine and transmission back 5 inches and thus ataining 50/50 weight dist. Of course this is stricly budget build up method I wouldn't call moving the motor on a mustang back 6" "simple" :D Having seen that car in action, there is no doubting that it works, but the car looks like it had a run in with a wayward sawzall. The car still doesn't turn very well though. Having that big heavy motor so far from the center of rotation doesn't make for quick transitions. Its a testament to Shannon's skill behind the wheel that he can fling that beast around so well. Around these parts, I don't see any 3rd gen RX-7s rallying, though there are some first gens kicking around. But I also don't see any mustangs. Our area is probably not the best example to use. The mustang would be a good budget rally car, for a couple of reason. Parts are cheap, they are easy to work on, and replacements can be had very easily :) The ease of finding new body bits can be very important when rallying on a budget. You know how those trees like to leap into the middle of the road when you aren't looking :devil:

The rotary engine can be made reliable, don't fool yourself. But they take a lot of maintenance to keep running well. Most of the blown rotaries are because of ... not necessarily neglect but lets call it inadequate maintenance and monitoring. On a motor that sensitive to detonation, EVERY parameter of its operation has to be monitored to keep it happy, and it needs constant TLC to make it keep working. That said, you could probably run a 5L dry of oil at 5000 rpm and it still wouldn't sieze, its all a question of how much outright abuse the motor can take. Is it a hassle having to look after your rotary constantly? Perhaps, but if you don't look after your stang either its gonna bite you just as bad. Maybe not right away, but down the road you've got big repair bills coming.

And incidentally, after doing some digging the suspenion kits work out to about the same overall. Obviously, type of suspension etc can vary and affect the cost a great deal, but the difference in price between the hard core Maximum Motorsports setup and a DMS setup for an RX-7 seems to be quite comparable. *shrugs* All comes down to which car you like more :burnout:

[frenchdriver]

I believe that an older talon/laser/eclipse is still the best bang for the buck once it comes to rally.

They are VERY quick and can be made even quicker by just removing the boost limiter on the turbo. They are also AWD which helps a ton.

I little off topic but which do you think is better for rally... AWD vs FWD... some people argue that although AWD is defenitely the best for getting tracktion, once you loose it in AWD... you're f*cked since RWD and FWD are so much easier to correct under/over steer.

[Fluidic]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

OWNAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[300rwhp]

talons are actually very shitty for reliablitity
crank walk intake mainfold lifters valves all very common problems in talons and all very exspensive to fix

fluidic what is the ownage about
since when is a talon cheap to buy and for that matter as a cheap as a 86 or older mustang gt

[300rwhp]

true 4wheel i think the old rx7 would make a very good platform for rally racing light small wheelbase but with a v8 only the wieght added to the front end would obviously be an issue but that could be overcome

Yes shannon is an amazing driver but that car was also impressive moving the motor back i dont think would be as hard as you would expect

[frenchdriver]

i just think that an commun problem with cars like the mustang/corvette/viper/camero and all those other famous muscle cars is their weight. don't get me wrong... i think the corvette is an amazing car but those dam V8s are so freaken heavy!... nothing like a 1.3L engine to keep the weight down!!! :thumbsup:

POWER TO WEIGHT RATIOS PEOPLE!

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by frenchdriver
I little off topic but which do you think is better for rally... AWD vs FWD... some people argue that although AWD is defenitely the best for getting tracktion, once you loose it in AWD... you're f*cked since RWD and FWD are so much easier to correct under/over steer. I don't know who you have been talking to, but that is just plain not true. Its no harder to correct for oversteer or understeer in an all wheel drive car than it is for a 2wd car of either drivetrain layout, just the techniques for correcting the situation are different. In rallying, and any form of motorsports really, ultimately its the car with the most traction wins. More traction means more ability to steer, more ability to accelerate and more ability to brake meaning faster stage times. By 1985, 2wd cars had almost completely disappeared from the WRC, and except for a couple of very well developed exceptions were almost totally uncompetitive. The situation has subsequently gotten worse from there.

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
true 4wheel i think the old rx7 would make a very good platform for rally racing light small wheelbase but with a v8 only the wieght added to the front end would obviously be an issue but that could be overcome

Yes shannon is an amazing driver but that car was also impressive moving the motor back i dont think would be as hard as you would expect I think it would be fairly easy, but the question is would it be worth the effort? You can spend bags of money doing custom fab work to turn your mustang into an open class car by moving the driveline around, or you can buy a car that already has a 50/50 weight distribution and save yourself a lot of trouble. Don't get me wrong, mustangs can and do rally, and they work fairly well but that wouldn't be my first choice of a rally machine, especially as a novice. The best cars to get started in are the ones with the least possibility of getting you in trouble :) no power, reliability and docile handling characteristics are the order of the day if you want to run a competitive low budget rally season. Heading right into Open class trying to make your mustang really tear it up would not be a good idea for a novice.

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by frenchdriver
i just think that an commun problem with cars like the mustang/corvette/viper/camero and all those other famous muscle cars is their weight. don't get me wrong... i think the corvette is an amazing car but those dam V8s are so freaken heavy!... nothing like a 1.3L engine to keep the weight down!!! :thumbsup:

POWER TO WEIGHT RATIOS PEOPLE! Its not necessarily the weight of the motor that is making the car heavy. A modern aluminum block 350 is (relatively) light. There's a lot more factors to the weight of a car than what type of motor it has. I've seen some pretty damn heavy four bangers too. Its more where the motor is located in the chassis can have much more impact on the cars handling characteristics than its ultimate straight line speed. Having a lot of weight out front does a bunch of things, but the most important are these two. It affects weight distribution, and it affects polar moment of inertia. Weight distribution, through clever movement of objects inside the car can be corrected, but polar moment is much harder to fix. The further an object is from the center of mass, the more energy it takes to make the object move to make the car corner. This is why front mid engine cars are starting to catch on in sporting circles (the S2000 is an example). By trying to move the motor as close to the center of the car as possible, you are cutting down on polar moment and improving transitional response and turn in. This is part of the reason why the motor on an F1 car is where it is (although admittedly at the "wrong" end of the car from most street cars).

[inspire]

if the cobra ran 11.50s...then how fast is the rx7?!?!?

[gpomp]

Originally posted by inspire
if the cobra ran 11.50s...then how fast is the rx7?!?!?

The Cobra ran 11.50 from a standing start. The race in the video was from a roll so it's kinda different.

[TomTom]

um it kinda looks like the camera car was about to pass the cobra too

[DSM Power]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
talons are actually very shitty for reliablitity
crank walk intake mainfold lifters valves all very common problems in talons and all very exspensive to fix

Meh, crankwalk occurance is overrated and really only applies to 2Gs. Lifters? A bit of tick, big deal. Valves? Huh? :confused: :dunno: Now timing belts... :banghead:

BTW Kenny, the Cobra stopped production just to fix a problem (overheating manifold?)... dunno if it's resumed yet though.

[Toms-Celica]

http://www.lamer.net/rice-nice.jpg

[ConVict]

that sticker thing is COOl... where you get that!!! and i support it 100%

[fast95pony]

This is quite a funny thread !! Lots of magazine quotes from some one who is barely old enough to drive !! I suggest you spend a few years behind the wheel of a car and not behind a seat on a bus before you start talking... ;)

[300rwhp]

95 pony is your name alan thanks for the support

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by fast95pony
This is quite a funny thread !! Lots of magazine quotes from some one who is barely old enough to drive !! I suggest you spend a few years behind the wheel of a car and not behind a seat on a bus before you start talking... ;)

I TAKE THE BUS... you got a problem with that?

[fast95pony]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
95 pony is your name alan thanks for the support

That's me...

Alan

[fast95pony]

Originally posted by frenchdriver


I TAKE THE BUS... you got a problem with that?

No , not at all.

I just was wondering how much driving you have actually done ??
You're just quoting a lot of specs off the net .Have you ever owned or even driven any of these cars ??

I think both cars are actually pretty cool, and I wouldn't mind owning either . So why all the silly arguements ??


As for your Heavy V8 line , check out the actual weights . They are not THAT heavy . Compare the '03 Cobra to the latest Supra...

Peace..

Alan

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by fast95pony


No , not at all.

I just was wondering how much driving you have actually done ??
You're just quoting a lot of specs off the net .Have you ever owned or even driven any of these cars ??

I think both cars are actually pretty cool, and I wouldn't mind owning either . So why all the silly arguements ??


As for your Heavy V8 line , check out the actual weights . They are not THAT heavy . Compare the '03 Cobra to the latest Supra...

Peace..

Alan

ya but supras are pretty heavy cars too. I guess you have to decide what heavy is for you. The rx-7 is around 2700lbs which i consider light. But some people might consider anything under 4000lbs light. Depends on what you compare it too.

no matter what one thing is for sure. The lighter the better, you will accelerate faster and your car will handle better (based of course on your suspension and your center of gravity).

What i don't like about heavy cars like the mustang is that YES they have high hp/torque producing engines, but it just seems that so much of that power is wasted to make up for its weight.

my two cents :dunno:

[300rwhp]

trying to sound as if you know something
just kidding

[fast95pony]

After some checking.. The later RX7's were more like 2900 lbs, not 2700 lbs . The Mustang is a 4 seater coupe , not an all out 2 seater sports car. If you compare other 4 seaters (more like 2+2's I guess ) like the 3000GT, Supra , 300ZX etc they also come in the 3300-3600 LBS range .

The C5 vette is around 3100 lbs which isn't too shabby , considering it's a V8.

But,yes, weight does make a big difference to performance .

So why add big-ass stereo's , tv's , wings, and the kitchen sink ??
:dunno:


I guess we could go on forever..
but I'm done !
:nut: :D

Alan

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by fast95pony
After some checking.. The later RX7's were more like 2900 lbs, not 2700 lbs . The Mustang is a 4 seater coupe , not an all out 2 seater sports car. If you compare other 4 seaters (more like 2+2's I guess ) like the 3000GT, Supra , 300ZX etc they also come in the 3300-3600 LBS range .

The C5 vette is around 3100 lbs which isn't too shabby , considering it's a V8.

But,yes, weight does make a big difference to performance .

So why add big-ass stereo's , tv's , wings, and the kitchen sink ??
:dunno:


I guess we could go on forever..
but I'm done !
:nut: :D

Alan

The curb weight on the 1995 RX-7 R2 is around 2750 lbs. Comparitively light for a street car (though not light by my definition :D Light is a 1000lb lotus 7 replica powered by a 3 rotor :devil: )

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by 4wheeldrift


The curb weight on the 1995 RX-7 R2 is around 2750 lbs. Comparitively light for a street car (though not light by my definition :D Light is a 1000lb lotus 7 replica powered by a 3 rotor :devil: )

supposably there is a video out there of mazda testing an rx-7 with 6-8 rotors and the car gets air borne... heard people talk about it before :dunno:

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by frenchdriver


supposably there is a video out there of mazda testing an rx-7 with 6-8 rotors and the car gets air borne... heard people talk about it before :dunno: Ummm...as far as I know the biggest rotary mazda EVER worked on was the 4 rotor used in the 787B

[300rwhp]

now that was impressive motor banned at lemans as it was classified as 2 engines quite innovative dual intakess a fuel in jection systems

[4wheeldrift]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
now that was impressive motor banned at lemans as it was classified as 2 engines quite innovative dual intakess a fuel in jection systems The only japanese manufacturer to win at Le Mans, EVER :D The 787B was definetly ahead of its time, thats for sure. One of the most innovative machines to ever take to the circuit there.

[SmelltheRubber]

2 and a half thoughts:

A. Somebody look CLOSELY at the mustang's exhaust pipes. All the newer cobra's have chrome-tipped exhausts. On that car it looks as if the exhausts are coming out from BENEATH the bumper, not through it. Usually only V6's have the exhaust from underneath the bumper. GT and cobra exhausts come thru a groove in the bumper.


B. For the guy who was making fun of the mustang because it seemed as though the camera car was pulling up, I have this to say: How do you know the camera car wasnt something fast? Or modded??


- Alot of movies found on the net are terribly mis-named. Once good example is on kazaa there is a file movie known as: camarosshavingfunwithricersdowntown.mpg or somethink like that. When I downloaded it and watched it, it turned out to be a Mustang Cobra ass-fucking other cars, not a Camaro. Probably some jealous Chevy guys changed the name of the file.

So the point of all that is: I doubt a real 2003 Musatng Cobra could have lost that badly, even with a mis-shift. The net is full of misnamed files.

[mustang]

Its not a 2003 Cobra, they have the exhaust coming out in front of the rear wheels, plus they are supercharged, a 2003 Cobra would work an rx-7 (no offense, just facts). But It was a pretty new GT, maybe a '96, you could see the exhaust coming out the back, but the duals didn't have the grooves in the rear bumber, the pispes wer below the bumper. Not to mention the fact that the dumb-asses were racing in high gear, probably fourth, an older GT wouldn't have a chance against a turbo rotary engine in that high a gear, they usually win before they get there.

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by SmelltheRubber
2 and a half thoughts:
B. For the guy who was making fun of the mustang because it seemed as though the camera car was pulling up, I have this to say: How do you know the camera car wasnt something fast? Or modded??

The car that was filming is also a FD rx-7... you can tell my the mirrors, the shape of the popups and the way the fenders and the hood look. :)

[4wheeldrift]

That RX-7 was definetly NOT stock anyways

[300rwhp]

disregard what mustang wrote
he doesnt know what hes talkin about sorry but its true

i read a bunch of posts from the owner of the rx7 in the race he is on performance-shop under the video section cool guy for sure his car is actually slower then the mustang in the 1/4 he runs 12.1 and the stang 11.5 it is a cobra and definatly not a 96 mustang geeze the is a huge diff look at the tails either way the reason for the win is the fact of the 2 gear run

the performance-shop post is under the video section check it out

[frenchdriver]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
disregard what mustang wrote
he doesnt know what hes talkin about sorry but its true

i read a bunch of posts from the owner of the rx7 in the race he is on performance-shop under the video section cool guy for sure his car is actually slower then the mustang in the 1/4 he runs 12.1 and the stang 11.5 it is a cobra and definatly not a 96 mustang geeze the is a huge diff look at the tails either way the reason for the win is the fact of the 2 gear run

the performance-shop post is under the video section check it out

well the rx-7 is abviously not stock if its running 12s...

11.5 --> is that a stock Cobra time???

[300rwhp]

no but the post told you of the mods to both cars

[Maxt]

Originally posted by mustang
Its not a 2003 Cobra, they have the exhaust coming out in front of the rear wheels, plus they are supercharged, a 2003 Cobra would work an rx-7 (no offense, just facts). .

Really? I guess you missed the Dyno day at Toma's, a supercharged mustang fell to my RX-7 by 16 rwhp, I cut off at 6600 rpm as per Toma's instruction, but truth of the matter is I was still making power and if I took it to 7500 rpm plus, I would have probably broken the 400 rwhp line, and bested the svt mustang by more than 50 rwhp, and that's with a loose sickly series 4 motor at 17 psi, now NOCab72, the guy in that video, runs an 13b-rew which is ported, mines not, his also has bigger and better ports to start with, also, he runs a larger turbo than I, more boost, in a lighter car, his car is most likely in the 500 rwhp range right now and would eat just about anything for breakfast short of a dedicated drag car...
The camera car incidentally is also an FD(3rd gen 7) with mods...Maxt

[Luke 96 T/A]

I've seen the 2003 cobras putting down 429RWHP and 409RWTQ with $60 worth of mods!!!
Different pully, !cats...

very nice.. I'd LOVE to own one!!!

(as I side note, I raced and pulled a little on a stock 93 RX-7 (or so I hope) in my car.. from a roll, with only exhaust....

[300rwhp]

hey maxt good for you but you failed to mention if it was a 03 cobra or a cobra for all we know it was a gt an older cobra or a v6 (unlikely) either way max horspeower does not necessarily dtermine which car is win in the 1/4 mile its all about the curves (hp and tq) not turns

[300rwhp]

i bet it was a white cobra wasnt it well that engine is brand new give it time to be broken in second he has longtubes on the way so sorry the 16rwhp will not cover it second of all the cobra that raced nocab goes faster in the 1/4 so your point is useless and eat anything for breakfast short of a drag car grow up buddy

seriously

[NickGT]

2003 Cobra Ownz. I think that was a cobra in the video, here's a pic from the back end of one off www.corral.net i saved.
http://members.shaw.ca/cyrus08/cobra.jpg

at any length. I would much rather take something that ownz everything right off the bat, then have to build up an old car that in the end is really nothing but headaches. But that's cause im lazy too. :thumbsup:

[Maxt]

hey maxt good for you but you failed to mention if it was a 03 cobra or a cobra for all we know it was a gt an older cobra or a v6 (unlikely) either way max horspeower does not necessarily dtermine which car is win in the1/4 mile its all about the curves (hp and tq) not turns

So why do you call yourself 300rwhp if its not important, Ask the moderators to change your name to "curves (hp and tq) not turns" then..
No cab knew the he was racing, and knew what it was, I will take his word for it, he is prolific poster and helpful hand on the Rx7forum...


Originally posted by 300rwhp
i bet it was a white cobra wasnt it well that engine is brand new give it time to be broken in second he has longtubes on the way so sorry the 16rwhp will not cover it second of all the cobra that raced nocab goes faster in the 1/4 so your point is useless and eat anything for breakfast short of a drag car grow up buddy

seriously
You haven't seen Nocab72's other video's have you? If you search out his various video's he has quite a few, against supra's, mustangs, fbody's etc... Some of you guys just kill me, you can't stand to see 1.3 litres of rotary power lay the smack down on a V-8, even when its on video right in front of your face, you still can't accept it, and you are telling me to grow up..
His engine may have been new, mine only had a sickly 70 psi per rotor, unported and only at 17psi, what do I have to do, blow it away by another 100 hp before your convinced, fine.... you also seem to forget that a rx-7 wieghs alot less than mustang with 4 seats and leather..
We have dyno certified proof of a rotary putting out more power than a supercharged mustang, and you don't like it,so you have some issues with reality it seems...Maxt

[300rwhp]

seriously you are so dumb there is no way a rotary will make as much power as a v8 with the same amount of money into it. I call myself 300rwhp becuase thats what i have and you downer the comment about curves is refering to when u dyno yur car does it make power all through the power band and have the same amount of torque from the begininng if so the that is an excellent set up who cares if you make 500hp if your engine makes nothing until 7000rpm hence the hp curve
noccab posted on another forum in town and he said the cobra was a 11.50 second car and that his rx7 was a 12 sec car hence from a standing start the cobra would win
oooh as for how many videos he has a gaurantee theres more videos of other cars out there
i cant stand to see a rotary engine beat a v8 your right i go home and cry about it at night too bad one of my fav cars was a rx7 and have driven many of them. the rx7 is a great car i have nothin against it other than like every car that doesnt have the proper care it requires lots of repairs

as for your dyno proof you didnt mention what car you beat in the dyno comp you think you beat either of toma's cars
not that i think there any comparison but that would be proof of a v8 beating a rx7 who cares who makes the most power once again its about how the power is made through the hp curve and tq curve.

Yes a rx7 wieghs alot less than a mustang good for it tell me the next time you and two friends go for a rip at the same time. i didnt forget it weighs less your car certainly doesnt make as much torque as the car you dynod against.

WHat gets a car off the line hp or tq

[Maxt]

"there is no way a rotary will make as much power as a v8 with the same amount of money into it. I call myself 300rwhp becuase thats what i have and you downer the comment about curves is
refering to when u dyno yur car does it make power all through the power band and have the same amount of torque from the begininng if so the that is an excellent set up who cares if you make 500hp if your engine makes nothing until 7000rpm hence the hp curve "
That was never the argument, but since you like changing the subject and the basis of your claims, I can guarantee I made more hp than that svt supercharged mustang,for a lot less cash, my total investment including the car, and a tig welder I bought in order to finish the project was just shy of 10 grand, now how much is an svt mustang, 30k? 40 K?...
As for my power curve, the torque was pretty much an nice flat line and I have powerband that is over 5000 rpm wide...
The rest of your moslty incoherent ranting in your last post didn't make any sense...
Put it where your mouth is man, next summer, you and me, race city....Maxt...

[Toms-Celica]

Going on page 5....*yawn*

[300rwhp]

put it where my mouth is where did i say i could beat you in a race thats right i didnt did i

and you still havent answered my question what car did u beat in the shootout? a svt mustang can mean alot of things buddy

93 95 96 97 98 99 2001 2002 2003 what type

as to referin to put it where your mouth is how fast have you gone in the 1/4 ?

i never claimed i could beat you did i no so maxt once again getting back to the original post it was about a 2003 mustang cobra vs a fd 93 rx7 the cars respectively went 11.5 and 12.2

hence why people were saying that the cobra wasnt that bad

as for your budget build up for 10000 grand you bought your rx7 and built it into what it is today

how much do you think toma has into either of his cars ?

its great you made alot more hp then the "svt mustang" that costed 30K+ thats awesome that you did it yourslef and under a budget but its not hard for a 87 mustang gt to make that kind of power via n20 or fi take for example dinos car little more than 10k but he races against mau and pulls in the 10's

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Maxt
&quot;there is no way a rotary will make as much power as a v8 with the same amount of money into it. I call myself 300rwhp becuase thats what i have and you downer the comment about curves is
refering to when u dyno yur car does it make power all through the power band and have the same amount of torque from the begininng if so the that is an excellent set up who cares if you make 500hp if your engine makes nothing until 7000rpm hence the hp curve &quot;
That was never the argument, but since you like changing the subject and the basis of your claims, I can guarantee I made more hp than that svt supercharged mustang,for a lot less cash, my total investment including the car, and a tig welder I bought in order to finish the project was just shy of 10 grand, now how much is an svt mustang, 30k? 40 K?...
As for my power curve, the torque was pretty much an nice flat line and I have powerband that is over 5000 rpm wide...
The rest of your moslty incoherent ranting in your last post didn't make any sense...
Put it where your mouth is man, next summer, you and me, race city....Maxt... just wanted to add that this guy has 300hp with NNAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[300rwhp]

whats your point jeff type r
i never said i could beat him

[Yellow_Fly_Red]

WOW.....
'93 RX7 TT go for $30+ USD....????
un-freaking-believable......
cause my buddy just sold his MINT 1994 RX7 TT with 18,000KM on it for $32,000 Canadian..... some dude flew in from Vancouver and bought it right away.....

Both my friend and I were surprised that he got so much for his car..... We were thinking he can only sell it for mid to high 20's....

DAMN..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

could've sold for more on EBAY....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

That car was babied since NEW... and rarely driven as shown by the LOW LOW mileage.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
whats your point jeff type r
i never said i could beat him im not trying to make a point. im simply stating a fact.

[300rwhp]

k i thought you were knockin the fact that i used n20
i did it because there is presently 3 things that make major power on my shitty engine(96-98 4.6l) 99 heads which i am installing, n20 which is cheap and forced induction

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
hey maxt good for you but you failed to mention if it was a 03 cobra or a cobra for all we know it was a gt an older cobra or a v6 (unlikely) either way max horspeower does not necessarily dtermine which car is win in the 1/4 mile its all about the curves (hp and tq) not turns



Originally posted by 300rwhp
i bet it was a white cobra wasnt it well that engine is brand new give it time to be broken in second he has longtubes on the way so sorry the 16rwhp will not cover it second of all the cobra that raced nocab goes faster in the 1/4 so your point is useless and eat anything for breakfast short of a drag car grow up buddy

seriously

How about using some punctuation? It'll make it way easier to read your posts.

[NickGT]

people always try to make stangs look like crap (maybe just cause they're Ford), but in the end, they always seem to be the same people that need to compare their car to IT (while it is stock that is) to see if their modified monster actually measures up. I laugh :thumbsup: stop the hatin, start the lovin :rofl:

[300rwhp]

Okay I will put my university english course to use. So to make you happy and also to appear smarter than I am, I will use punctuation from now on. I am lazy, as I have exams right now.

[FN49]

Originally posted by FoxLX
people always try to make stangs look like crap (maybe just cause they're Ford), but in the end, they always seem to be the same people that need to compare their car to IT (while it is stock that is) to see if their modified monster actually measures up.


That is SO TRUE!!!

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by 300rwhp
Okay I will put my university english course to use. So to make you happy and also to appear smarter than I am I will use punctuation from now on. I am lazy, as I have exams right now. ure still missing some punctuation there...hahaha

[Maxt]

So I guess 300 rwhp doesn't want to put his theory to the test?..figures....:zzz:

hey maxt good for you but you failed to mention if it was a 03 cobra or a cobra for all we know it was a gt an older cobra or a v6 (unlikely) either way max horspeower does not necessarily dtermine which car is win in the1/4 mile its all about the curves (hp and tq) not turns.

[300rwhp]

what theory
its a proven fact
but hey if you can find me in calgary this summer fine we can race. Secondly if my engine is in the car we can have a go at it. We can see if rotary power is equivalent to v8 power. It will be "fair" becuase you have a turbo and so will i. I think my t-76 might be a little bit bigger than yours but hey your the one talking about racing so much.

TDC STAGE 2X "OUTLAW" UP TO 550 RWHP+
"Outlaw" T-66 GT- Series Turbo Charger with V- Band Technology
Upgraded Jet Hot 2000 Ceramic Coated TDC 4.6 Tubular Race Headers
Stage 3 Custom Programmed Computer Chip
80 mm Mass Air Meter
Upgraded 42LB. Fuel Injectors
Upgraded Fuel Pump
Custom TDC Spearco Intercooler
Upgraded Powder Coated Intake Pipes
Upgraded Jet-Hot 2000 Ceramic Coated Turbo Down Pipe & Cross Under Pipe
Y Pipe with High Flow Catalytic Converter
Turbo Heat Shield
Custom Fabricated Radiator Pipe
NGK Raceplugs
Oil Filter
K&N Air Filter
Custom Fabricated Power Steering Reservoir Bracket
Moroso Oil Filter Relocation Kit
K&N Breather
High Performance Exhaust Gaskets
Upgraded External Turbonetics Racegate
Tial Super Duty ByPass Valve
TDC Silicon Hose Connectors
T-Bolt Clamps / Hose Clamps
Oil Bracket
Battery Relocation Box
Boost Gauge
In-car Adjustable Boost Controller
Gauge Pod
Grade 8 Hardware
Custom TDC Oil & Water Neck
Custom Fabricated Aircraft Quality Hydra Booster Lines
Custom Fabricated Aircraft Quality Oil Lines
Custom Fabricated 3M Nextel Steering Boots

While talking to TDC they said they were out of t-66 turbos so I decided to upgrade to a t-76. Now all I need to do is forge the internals and I will be off and running.

[NickGT]

Holy shit. That's gonna be a fast stang. geezus, NICE car. Post some stuff on your RX-7 dude.

Hey man, what year is your mustang again?

[300rwhp]

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