Need "old school" compact car ideas...

[Toma]

Looking for a compact car to "build".

Criteria are simple... has to be small, light and RWD.... and cheap lol

Any ideas? Pictures would be great....

Thanks,
Toma

[88CRX]

510 datsun.... or a crx

[Aleks]

crx is a RWD? ;)

Anyways If you can find it an old Fiat 500 would be pimp! hahaha that wouldn't be cheap.
how about an old VW bug.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by Aleks
crx is a RWD? ;)

Anyways If you can find it an old Fiat 500 would be pimp! hahaha that wouldn't be cheap.
how about an old VW bug.

bah.... rwd is over rated:D

[Aleks]

Fiat, Im sure we all know what an old bug looks like :D

[forkdork]

Porsche 924?

[Bonka]

Datsun 510

http://images.google.ca/images?q=datsun%20510&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi

[Ashkente]

TE72 Corolla ;) Can be lighter than AE86's, use a ton of the same parts (suspension, rearend, slightly different T50 tranny) and the stock 1.8's can apparently put up with a retarded amount of boost :thumbsup: Downsides though, they're not all that common, so body parts can be a bitch to find (still looking for some frontend shit :(), and like AE86's, the tranny and diff don't hold up to a lot of power...oh, and lack of EFI as well..it's an idea anyhow :dunno: The ones I have seen for sale around town are sub $1000..

[mx73someday]

Toyota Starlet, pretty rare these days, but when you find one they are usually pretty cheap.

[78si]

240 or 280 z with v8 swap

[finboy]

1st gen rx7, roger was putting his 460 in his before he did his mustang, so i'm sure you could fit a 5.0L in there toma ;)

[Zephyr]

honeybee!

[Toma]

LOL...no... no V8 swaps lol

Hey Adam...whats the car in your signature??

[RiceCake]

Hey Toma, that's a Toyota Cressida.:)

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by Toma
Criteria are simple... has to be small, light and RWD.... and cheap lol


Originally posted by Toma
LOL...no... no V8 swaps lol

Damn, I was just thinking of the Vega V8. :D




http://www.v8monza.com/album/images/vega/vega-motion-71-315.jpg

[Zephyr]

datsun 240z!!

[finboy]

Originally posted by Toma
LOL...no... no V8 swaps lol

Hey Adam...whats the car in your signature??

no, mine is sitting out front because the MINIMUM boost is 20+ psi, typical dodge junk, full of headaches ;)

you might also want to check out an mr2 (1st gen), corolla gts (hard to find in decent shape any more), 240's can be quite potent, and the car in my sig, the cressida (pretty hefty at just over 3000 pounds, but you can put a turbo 6 into it).

here are some pics to give you an idea of some old school goodness...

http://www.wheelspecs.com/rides/images/244_673.png
http://www.megaboost.co.uk/mr2/frames/lars.jpg
http://www.snowest.com/fusetalk/attachments/V8Less%5F08%2Ejpg
http://www.snowest.com/fusetalk/attachments/V8Less%5F09%2Ejpg
http://www.snowest.com/fusetalk/attachments/V8Less%5F22%2Ejpg
200sx:
http://www.200sx.org/gallery/s12/jones_s12.jpg
http://ilkt.com/celicasupra/supr1.jpg
http://www.webjet-design.de/britcar/img/corolla_liftback_4.jpg
and my sig has a nice cressida :clap:

[Rockski]

typhoon or syclone :drool:

[Toma]

Originally posted by finboy

http://www.snowest.com/fusetalk/attachments/V8Less%5F09%2Ejpg


whats this??

[Toma]

Oh... and the cressida Is it RWD?? How big are those back tires in that picture?

Pretty nice car... damn. to heavy to start with though

[Thaco]

buy my car and make it purdy :D

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70648

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Toma


whats this??

Old Celica I think

[statick]

the celica/supra that is 2nd last in finboys post...that would be awsome. old corollas would also be nice. and if u got the money an old Z car is pretty sweet. personally though, i'd go with the celica/supra as you can buy them in good condition for pretty cheap, and in bad condition (so you can work on it/build it from scratch) for $700ish.

[Fivewayradio]

80's BMW 3 series. RWD, compact, easy to work on, tons of parts around, cheap as hell.

[crazydave]

get a 70s corolla! :D

[KGB]

yeahh i agree a nice 1989 bmw 325is would be nice car, plus they look awesome when done right

[CryoCarnage]

i'd go with the AE85 or 86. Initial D style. :D Wapow!

[Ashkente]

Originally posted by Toma


whats this??

77 Celica :thumbsup: That particular one is boosted :)

[finboy]

Originally posted by Toma
Oh... and the cressida Is it RWD?? How big are those back tires in that picture?

Pretty nice car... damn. to heavy to start with though

that is an old celica coupe, it was at v8less this summer, boosted, sds, all the good stuff.

the cressida is pretty much a 4 door supra, and they are heavy from the start, but they are pretty much a 4 door supra, which means the supra motor will fit in there (7m-gte) and with enough work, the 1jzgte (japanese 3rd gen supra motor, same style as generalT on perf-shop), and a few have even put a 2jzgtte into cressida's (4th gen supra, like mau's).

another swap that might intrest you is a 2nd gen mr2 turbo motor into a 1st gen mr2, light car, lots of power, go-kart handling...
http://www.3sgtemr2.com/mk1.5/
^^^this guy is on beyond and might be able to answer questions^^^

EDIT: and look at that...
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&postid=866777#post866777
two mr2's for sale ;)

[Toma]

AE85 or AE86??? Huh? speak english ;)

Thanks guys.... now, keep an eye out for CHEAP ones for me. Blown motors ok, prefer half decent body ;)

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Soup up a Pinto! :bigpimp: ;)

Throw in a turbo, and you've got a 12-second car!
http://hometown.aol.com/bjoorn/myhomepage/pintoext.bmp
http://hometown.aol.com/bjoorn/images/picture%20021.jpg

[L8ON]

1977 Toyota Celica GT :thumbsup:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/241000-241999/241742_46_full.jpg

[L8ON]

74' Celica ...

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/625000-625999/625874_1_full.jpg

[finboy]

Originally posted by Toma
AE85 or AE86??? Huh? speak english ;)

Thanks guys.... now, keep an eye out for CHEAP ones for me. Blown motors ok, prefer half decent body ;)

ae86 is the chasis code for the 1984-1987 corolla GTS (the orange and white cars that i posted) but often suffer from rust.

the 200sx (red car that isn't in motion) looks very similar to a GTS but already comes with a turbo motor and independent rear suspension, plus i find that they are usually in better shape. if you wanted to upgrade the motor, the ca18det (twin cam turbo 1.8 from japan) will work quite nicely and they are relativly cheap, as most people go for the later motor's (sr20, twin cam turbo 2.0L).

[statick]

^:werd: if an s12 is in ur price range go for that.

[el_fefes]

Audi 5000 Turbo! 5 cylinder turbo charged!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/506000-506999/506678_12_full.jpg

[el_fefes]

there's even a couple on sale on buysell.com

[method]

1st generation rx7 if you're not afraid of working on rotaries.

all those older japanese cars are the same thing... corollas, celicas, datsun 1200s, so on... they all have VERY similar dynamics and parts. some of the older mazda rx3 parts swap over with datsun parts :burnout:

I'll say... bmw 2002. those were badass little cars.

[dj_honda]

buy a cressida toma...they aren't THAT heavy! :D
and its a four door...nobody will see it coming!


one of my next cars is gonna be a RA23 celica notchback.
I almost had 2 of them this summer, but the guy changed his mind and refused to take my deposit damnit. :banghead: Too bad money doesn't always talk, can't blame the guy though those cars are beautiful. :love:

[M_Power]

BMW E30:
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Turbo+BMW+E30+M3/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=11qrd5eqc/EXP=1104024971/*-http%3A//www.bsmotor.com/gatem3/m3t1.jpg

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by M_Power
BMW E30:
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Turbo+BMW+E30+M3/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=11qrd5eqc/EXP=1104024971/*-http%3A//www.bsmotor.com/gatem3/m3t1.jpg


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:drool:


my Euro Dream car...

[CelicaST-162]

These cars are an awesome platform to start with and light as hell! :D

[hyperwhite]

^^ aren't they 3400lbs? :dunno: i think a celica-supra would be cooler, its more old school cool ;)

[Ashkente]

Originally posted by hyperwhite
^^ aren't they 3400lbs? :dunno: i think a celica-supra would be cooler, its more old school cool ;)

That's right, MkIII's are pigs! ;) Though they do have better suspension to counter some of that heft..not sure how I'm going to work out the rear camber on the MkII..

[CelicaST-162]

Originally posted by Ashkente


That's right, MkIII's are pigs! ;) Though they do have better suspension to counter some of that heft..not sure how I'm going to work out the rear camber on the MkII..

To be exact mine weighs 3606lbs, and about them being pigs....stop picking on the Mk3's:( ....thats right TEMS bitches!

MKII's are squatters!:D

[atomic]

how about a xr4ti? :)

[Scat]

z31 300zx heavily boosted or v-8 swap
s12 200sx with sr20det or ca18det swap
1g-gte powered mr-2

[three.eighteen.]

wtf is a 1g-gte?

[finboy]

Originally posted by atomic
how about a xr4ti? :)

he already has one :thumbsup:

[T5Bird]

I could definatley see you in a Chevette1 :bigpimp:
http://www.mco.org/video/iceracing/chevetteicerace.wmv

[calgarys13]

get a cressida, one of the members mx73someday on this board has one with a 6mge swap 5 speed swap and a tripped interior and it weighs in around sub 3000 pounds and its very easy to turbocharge!. i love these cars and they deserve a following!

[Ashkente]

Originally posted by Scat
1g-gte powered mr-2

How the hell do you fit a straight 6 into a transverse engine bay of an already tiny car? :dunno:

[nhlfan]

by being a newb of course

[dj_honda]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.
wtf is a 1g-gte?

2.0L twin turbocharged DOHC 24 valve inline 6..220-230ish hp if i remember right. It would be a waste in an mr2. especially with the 3sgte availiable and it being much more sensible.

[Toma]

Scored a CHEAP Cressida today... motor apparantly is in excellent shape. I wont see it till tonight...

what is the motor that comes in it??

[QuasarCav]

5M-GE, supra engine.

[finboy]

Originally posted by Toma
Scored a CHEAP Cressida today... motor apparantly is in excellent shape. I wont see it till tonight...

what is the motor that comes in it??

excelent choice toma, if you want a turbo supra motor, i would recomend checking out...

http://www.jdmsource.ca <----- he is a member on this board as well
the motor you want is a "7M-GTE" and it is under the toyota section.

for further info on cressida's, check out...
www.toyotacressida.com
http://www.thermactor.com/forum/ <---forum for cressida's

mx73someday also has a cressida and he is on this board as well (converted to 5 speed, and swapped the motor).

good luck with the car :thumbsup:

http://autoimportcraze.com/images/nisei04day1/cl61.jpg

[Toma]

can you tell me about the motor?? displacement, pistons, rods, shortblock...

ie, will it turbocharge to 500 hp reliably?? ;)

not keen on a swap... yet

wont use this car for sure yet either,,,just came up cheap so Rick grabbed it for me.

Thanks

[finboy]

Originally posted by Toma
can you tell me about the motor?? displacement, pistons, rods, shortblock...

ie, will it turbocharge to 500 hp reliably?? ;)

not keen on a swap... yet

wont use this car for sure yet either,,,just came up cheap so Rick grabbed it for me.

Thanks

motor should be a 2.8L inline six, same motor used in the second generation supra. not sure about boosting the 5m but i know the 6m(japanese inline 6) can respond quite well to boost. i wouldn't think them too different but i think 500 hp would probably be more then pushing the limit ;)

http://www.supras.nl/images/5mge.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/aarongarney/gTe_1179.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/aarongarney/gte_0982.jpg (i would assume that this is a stock supra manifold)

[dj_honda]

Originally posted by Toma
can you tell me about the motor?? displacement, pistons, rods, shortblock...

ie, will it turbocharge to 500 hp reliably?? ;)

not keen on a swap... yet

wont use this car for sure yet either,,,just came up cheap so Rick grabbed it for me.

Thanks

okay it depends on what year of cressida you have.
there is the 81-84 cressida aka mx63. from 1981-83 they came with a 5M-E SOHC engine. 8.8:1 compression. something like 115hp and 145lb ft of torque stock.

in 84 they put in the 5mge. this engine had DOHC, 12 valves, the same compression, and it had around 150hp and 160lbft of torque.

in 1985 came a body change to the mx73 style. but the engine remained the same until 1986, when the mx73 got higher compression pistons at 9.5:1 and some other minor mods, which made it produce 155hp and 165lbft of torque.

displacement for all the 5m series is 2.8L, inline 6 cylinder configuration.

will it turbocharge to 500hp? depends. if you mean stock everything and just throwing on a turbocharger, i have read that no, it will not. it will hit around 300whp before hitting its limit. sometimes a bit higher sometimes a bit lower.

one good advantage is that the exhaust manifold is extremely similar to the 7mgte ones from the MK3 supra turbos. so basically, you can bolt on the MK3 turbo manifold and turbo. its also nice because of all the upgraded variants of the CT - 26 out there.

anyways, the best forum for the cressida imo is a MK2 supra forum, because theres some decent info on the engine there seeing as the MK2 supras share the same engine...

www.celicasupra.com

good luck with the car

[Toma]

yep.... she is a DOHC :poosie:

Its an auto though and IRS in the back... wonder if the trans/diff will take the power as well :dunno:

Crap, time to research.

If we part it out, is the motor etc worth anything??

[dj_honda]

Originally posted by Toma
yep.... she is a DOHC :poosie:

Its an auto though and IRS in the back... wonder if the trans/diff will take the power as well :dunno:

Crap, time to research.

If we part it out, is the motor etc worth anything??

5 spds werent sold in canada. The tranny/diff again is interchangeable with the supra ones, but it requires some work.

IMO the motor is not worth much. I own 2 cressidas, and if i need a motor, other than the block in the garage, i would just go to pick your part and buy one for cheap seeing as they are like 100-200$ depending on the sale going on haha. then again you never know, you might luck out and someone might need one bad.

[A_3]

Originally posted by M_Power
BMW E30:
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Turbo+BMW+E30+M3/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=11qrd5eqc/EXP=1104024971/*-http%3A//www.bsmotor.com/gatem3/m3t1.jpg

:werd: :werd: :werd: E30's done up properly can be amazing, if the oppurtunity arrises go E30 M3 :drool:

[Scat]

Originally posted by Ashkente


How the hell do you fit a straight 6 into a transverse engine bay of an already tiny car? :dunno:

Sorry
I messed up my engine codes
I'm well aware an I6 will not fit in pretty well any transverse engine bay
I meant the 3s-gte


Originally posted by nhlfan
by being a newb of course
Eat a dick, I fucked up.

[Lennon]

Get a Z31. And leave it stock, and enjoy.

[dieselpower91]

I was going to say for your project you should buy a BMW 2002! They are cool little cars. and then you can say you drive a 2002 BMW.

If the Cressida runs decent and you want to get rid of it for cheap PM me!

[pressure_ratio]

Go check out Reg's site.He's got some good details on his MkIII supra with the 7mgte swap.I was gonna suggest an s-12 200sx.I don't know where they're all hiding but I keep seeing these decent ones showing up at pick your part.The Cressida sounds cool,what are your plans?