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4CylFiero
01-01-2005, 09:24 PM
This will be for a domestic not that matters, based for a 4 cylinder, I would liek to own a TEC3 but i can't justify spending that much, any other suggestions, that people haved used or perfer, What can't be tuned in calgary, after reading about bad tuners in calgary im a littel scared to dump lots of money into a motor to have someone wreak it.

Police
01-02-2005, 02:22 AM
use an Apexi SAFC, its a piggy back fuel controller and you can richen/ lean the mixture by +/-50%, they have lots of goodies like voltage output, pressure, knock, rpm etc...its a good little package and these usually go for about $300(safc2) or $250 for SAFC1 used and like $550 brand new.

www.apexi-usa.com

Police
01-02-2005, 02:23 AM
ohh also if you have a wideband you can tune this yourself its really easy to use.

Talies R
01-02-2005, 02:24 AM
I had horrible experience using a piggy back setup, I would use different fmu if i were you.

4CylFiero
01-02-2005, 04:00 AM
I need something a little more applicable to a turbo vehicle.

Bucktown
01-02-2005, 03:15 PM
i have a greddy e-manage for sale

im sure the guys on the board will tell you its a good deal

for sale thread here (http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71335)

its universal, and works perfectly. lemme know if your interested

ron korolak
01-02-2005, 04:10 PM
People have been using AFC's for years with great results! An FMU won't let you tune to exacting requirements just overal through out the whole rpm range!

GT-FOUR
01-02-2005, 06:48 PM
Perfect Power SMT6, or SMT7 are good options.

http://www.sea2skytuning.com has them and based in canada.

245gti
01-03-2005, 11:01 PM
Anyone heard of Megasquirt? Build it yourself or find one already built. A kit is under $200 and is relatively easy to assemble. Makes a perfect piggyback unit. Run the stock system for normal driving. As soon as you get positive manifold pressure, the piggyback system kicks in.... I was going to use it as a piggyback on my K-jet Volvo turbo but then just went to full Megasquirt control instead. It takes some fiddling for a daily driver so I went back to stock. It'll be running my next project though....

Tons of info here....

http://www.msefi.com/

Alpine Autowerks
01-08-2005, 09:50 PM
megasquirt is a full standalone fuel system. my kid(turbocarrera) is assembling one right now.

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html is a better link

got all the parts from http://www.glensgarage.com/ for $350.

4CylFiero
01-09-2005, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Alpine Autowerks
megasquirt is a full standalone fuel system. my kid(turbocarrera) is assembling one right now.

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html is a better link

got all the parts from http://www.glensgarage.com/ for $350.


That looks amazing, So you rewire the whole car in the whole engine in this scenario, what lengths has your son gone to so far, I liek that it doesn't need a crank trigger lihe the TEC 2 and 3.

4CylFiero
01-09-2005, 04:09 AM
EERRRRR from the site

"Enough mechanical aptitude to know what to do to make the engine run right"

kinda the tuning thing i know nothing about, adnywhere i can read up on this.

Redlyne_mr2
01-09-2005, 12:12 PM
Save for an ems

Alpine Autowerks
01-11-2005, 12:34 PM
the same guys have built a motec level system for about 500 euros

http://www.vems-group.org/

http://www.vems-group.org/docs/genboardv3/ch01.html#d0e19

heavyD
01-11-2005, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by 4CylFiero
I need something a little more applicable to a turbo vehicle.

Ha Ha! That's funny considering more than 50% of modded DSM's including mine has an S-AFC. They are relatively easy to tune on a dyno with a wideband O2 sensor.

Standalone is the best but most expensive route to go.

245gti
01-15-2005, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Alpine Autowerks
megasquirt is a full standalone fuel system. my kid(turbocarrera) is assembling one right now.

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html is a better link

got all the parts from http://www.glensgarage.com/ for $350.

MS is a standalone system but it doesn't have to be used that way. IMHO, tuning it is a PITA simply because we have such drastic temperature swings here in Calgary. Get it tuned for +20 and it won't run at -20. Get it tuned to run at -20 and it's rich at +20. The guys that designed it live in the southern US where they don't have such drastic temperature swings...

Yes, it will control fuel and spark. If anyone has seen a dark blue Volve 244 with B23FT in graphics on a flat black hood, it's running full fuel and spark control utilizing Megasquirt and a Ford EDIS system. Talk to the guy that owns it and he'll tell you how much fun it is to keep it tuned. It's an amazing system, just not terribly practical for a daily, 4 season driver.

Using it as a piggyback is so much simpler. You don't need to worry about cold start settings, warm-up enrichments, acceleration enrichments etc. All you do is set up the map to kick in when boost pressure get to a certain level. You don't even need huge injectors for your second set unless you're only using one. I had it running in a K-Jet powered Volvo. All I did was swap the intake for an EFI style intake and use the stock injectors. I just plumbed the fuel in-line with the k-jet system. With 19lb injectors, I was good for an additional 100+ hp of fuel over the stock system. With the stock system good for 200hp, I figured I was in pretty good shape...

Of course, you need to be able to add efi injectors to use it as a piggyback...or to use it period, for that matter.

Alpine, if you kid has any issues, let me know. I can put him in touch with one of the better MS guys in the country right now.... He lives here in town....

4CylFiero
01-16-2005, 01:45 AM
My car has EFI, rather one injector to each of the four cylinders, and I probably would only drive it in warm weather anyways, Do you happen to know if MS has any turbo timer capabilies and how easy would it be to reprogram if the battery died.

245gti
01-16-2005, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by 4CylFiero
My car has EFI, rather one injector to each of the four cylinders, and I probably would only drive it in warm weather anyways, Do you happen to know if MS has any turbo timer capabilies and how easy would it be to reprogram if the battery died.

Reprogramming it is as simple as hooking it up to your laptop. I had two or three maps saved in my laptop. One was for highway cruising where it leaned it out substantially in a certain rpm range. One was for driving around town and one was for the heavy foot. Like I said, it's a simple as hooking up to your laptop and reloading the chip....

The newest version of the MS software may have turbo timer capabilities. I've kind of left it behind for the time being as my next project won't need it for a year or two....

http://www.msefi.com/

There's a discussion forum with tons of info on the latest incarnations....