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richardchan2002
02-07-2005, 01:37 PM
INDEX:
-Engine Codes: Page 1
-Wheel and Tire Size Info: Page 11


I'm feeling left out since everyone has one of these...

Anyway, let's start with the CEL codes (borrowed from TPC):


To find the CEL Code:
In order to get the code you'll need to find the service connector. On the 5th Gens it's on the right hand side of the centre console underneath a carpeted panel that just pops right out. The connector looks like a telephone connector and is plugged into a blue plastic piece that just serves as a holder. Unplug it and you'll see that it has two sockets in it that lead to two wires.

You'll need a small piece of wire for this. Make sure the car is off. Just connect the two ports in the service connector together with the wire. After you've shorted the service connector, turn the key in the ignition to the on position (you don't actually need to start the car) and the yellow engine light will flash at you. There will be a series of long flashes, short flashes, and then it will repeat itself. Count the number of long flashes and short flashes and this will give you the MIL code. 2 long flashes and 3 short flashes is code 23. Once you've found the code, turn the key back to off and remove the wire from the service connector. You can look up the code in the following list.


MIL Codes:
3 Manifold Absolute Pressure Signal

10 Intake Air Temperature Cicuit

86 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit

6 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit

7 Throttle Position Circuit

1 Primary Heated Oxygen Circuit

61 Primary Heated Oxygen Circuit

41 Primary Heated Oxygen Circuit

63 Secondary Heated Oxygen Circuit

65 Secondary Heated Oxygen Circuit

45 System too Rich/Lean Fuel Supply System

71 Misfire Detected - Cylinder 1
72 Misfire Detected - Cylinder 2
73 Misfire Detected - Cylinder 3
74 Misfire Detected - Cylinder 4

23 Knock Sensor Circuit Malfunction Open or short in Knock Sensor (KS) circuit

4 Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit

80 Exhaust Gas Recirculation

67 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold Three way

92 Evaporative Emission Control System

91 Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor High/Low Input Open or short in Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor Circuit

17 Vehicle Speed Circuit Malfunction Vehicle Speed Sensor

14 Idle Control System Malfunction IAC Valve

70 Automatic Transaxle Automatic Transmission

13 Barometric Pressure Circuit

5 Manifold Absolute Pressure

22 VTEC System Malfunction VTEC Solenoid Valve

20 Electrical Load Detector Circuit

8 Crankshaft Position / Top Dead Center Sensor

9 Cylinder Position Sensor

90 Evaporative Emission Control System

92 Evaporative Emmision Purge Flow Switch

12 EGR Valve Lift Sensor

14 Idle Air Control Valve Circuit Failure IAC Valve

30 SEAF/SEFA Signal Line Failure

86max
02-07-2005, 01:55 PM
My girlfriend bought one of these ('97) with a tiptronic......and the tranny is fucked. Won't even go in reverse or anything. Apparently it's a major problem with the honda tiptronics or something. Do any of you guys know the best way to fix the problem, or the best route to take? Replace tiptronic, 5spd swap, etc. Maybe someone else on this board has had the same problem.

Thanks

Hash_man
02-07-2005, 02:15 PM
My girlfriend bought one of these ('97) with a tiptronic......and the tranny is fucked. Won't even go in reverse or anything. Apparently it's a major problem with the honda tiptronics or something. Do any of you guys know the best way to fix the problem, or the best route to take? Replace tiptronic, 5spd swap, etc. Maybe someone else on this board has had the same problem.


I heard that at one point Honda recalled almost all of the tiptronic ludes for new transmissions... maybe her car was affected but never made it to the dealership?

Worth a try, check it out.

86max
02-07-2005, 02:30 PM
I think that was only for the 2000-01's....all previous model year owners were SOL. I'd like to swap a 5spd in there to avoid having to deal with this again, but the chance of finding a 5spd donor car is pretty slim.

1-Bar
02-07-2005, 03:10 PM
Great idea Richard!!


Originally posted by 86max
I think that was only for the 2000-01's....all previous model year owners were SOL. I'd like to swap a 5spd in there to avoid having to deal with this again, but the chance of finding a 5spd donor car is pretty slim.

You are correct, you are SOL if you have a 97-99 SS Lude. You can also try and find a 4th Gen wrecked prelude SRV for the donator of parts (ie. tranny) or anyother 4th Gen for pedals...etc for a 5 speed swap.

But if your in need of a tiptronic tranny, I will have one soon (since I'm doing the 5 speed swap)

Mad$ella
02-07-2005, 03:14 PM
I need a stock tail light (drivers side) for a '01 Lude.
If you got one for sale PM me please.

86max
02-07-2005, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by 1-Bar

But if your in need of a tiptronic tranny, I will have one soon (since I'm doing the 5 speed swap)

Yeah I think that would be easiest, straight swap. If your tranny has no problems whatsoever I'll definitely be interested. Thanks for the help:thumbsup:

1-Bar
02-11-2005, 12:57 AM
^ on a related note, recommended clutch/flywheel for hard driving??

fcuk_it
02-11-2005, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by 1-Bar
Great idea Richard!!



You are correct, you are SOL if you have a 97-99 SS Lude. You can also try and find a 4th Gen wrecked prelude SRV for the donator of parts (ie. tranny) or anyother 4th Gen for pedals...etc for a 5 speed swap.

But if your in need of a tiptronic tranny, I will have one soon (since I'm doing the 5 speed swap)

how much would you part out the tiptronic gearbox with shifter??

buh_buh
02-11-2005, 01:10 AM
for NA - fidenza/clutchmasters or Jun flywheel
for turbo - oem flywheel

for a clutch, Exedy organic is a good oem replacement. If your looking for something that'll hold a little better than a stock clutch, I'd go with the ACT HDSS for pretty much any app.

richardchan2002
02-11-2005, 02:08 AM
How about Spec clutches? I'm looking at the stage 3 Spec clutch right now... What are you using right now buh_buh?

buh_buh
02-11-2005, 02:12 AM
I'm using the ACT 6 puck. You can try it out once winter's over Richard.
I've heard good and bad things about Spec, nothing about them on Hondas though.
If money is no object, I'd go with the ACT XTSS for drivability and its ability to hold power.:thumbsup:

Skyline_Addict
02-11-2005, 02:15 AM
yeah, i'm going to get an Exedy clutch! Good OEM replacement as mentioned earlier.

ryder_23
02-11-2005, 03:31 AM
Buh_buh
what do you recommend for someone running alot more power then stock, like urself?? Something that will hold up to the abuse, and power you can throw at it :D Yet somewhat affordable

buh_buh
02-11-2005, 09:03 AM
ACT 6 puck. I think its the HDR6. That's what I'm using, and its the cheapest clutch ACT makes for our car haha.

1-Bar
02-11-2005, 12:03 PM
haha...there's gotta be more 5th Gen luders out there....I count all the regulars

rip
02-11-2005, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by 1-Bar
haha...there's gotta be more 5th Gen luders out there....I count all the regulars

Holla

1-Bar
02-11-2005, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by rip


Holla :thumbsup:

Alright, lets see some numbers from you luders and your setup (if you want to reveal your secrets)

Skylinelover
02-11-2005, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by 86max
I think that was only for the 2000-01's....all previous model year owners were SOL. I'd like to swap a 5spd in there to avoid having to deal with this again, but the chance of finding a 5spd donor car is pretty slim.
Check out a-1 honda they're cheap.

1-Bar
02-11-2005, 12:25 PM
I'll go first:

105 torque / 148 hp
SS '00 lude (AEM CAI, 5zigen axel back, V-AFC)

http://members.shaw.ca/cponce1/dyno.JPG

WBB6
02-11-2005, 12:45 PM
Here is a great link for Prelude stuff:

www.ntpog.org

jdmakkord
02-11-2005, 12:52 PM
Anyone have a stock shifter for a 4gen lude they would like to get rid of? Apparently it bolts into my car directly, with a shorter throw.......

buh_buh
02-11-2005, 02:21 PM
theres only a couple companies that makes a real short shifter for 4th gen Preludes (not just a lever/adapter). Most were guys on Prelude forums who did it. One is the 4bidden (thats just the guy's username), PSPEC (just came out this year), C's (discontinued a few years ago), and a Pure Racing (also discontinued).

shadowz
02-11-2005, 03:00 PM
I own a 4th gen can I join? :D

1-Bar
02-11-2005, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by shadowz
I own a 4th gen can I join? :D

no























j/j

buh_buh
02-11-2005, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by shadowz
I own a 4th gen can I join? :D start your own thread!:guns: :angel:

richardchan2002
02-11-2005, 08:15 PM
OK my turn. Stock Prelude:

buh_buh
02-12-2005, 12:35 AM
http://www.virgeweb.com/buhbuh/dyno.jpg

Primer_Drift
02-12-2005, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by 1-Bar
haha...there's gotta be more 5th Gen luders out there....I count all the regulars
:D
5th gen ludes :drool:
I've got a spare rad if anyone ever f*cks theirs up, good condition, free to a good home if the need is there.
If anyone has a spare stock front spring + strut assembly kicking around, pm me thanks

1-Bar
02-12-2005, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by richardchan2002
OK my turn. Stock Prelude:

wow, that's pretty good stock....man, I gotta get this 5speed done faster...lol :drool:

richardchan2002
02-12-2005, 10:51 AM
uh. yeah..... stock. :D How's the conversion coming along Chris?

Kevin must have a lightweight advantage. Running low 14 second 1/4 times on 161 HP is insane! hehe. Maybe I just need to learn to drive.

1-Bar
02-12-2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by richardchan2002
uh. yeah..... stock. :D How's the conversion coming along Chris?

Kevin must have a lightweight advantage. Running low 14 second 1/4 times on 161 HP is insane! hehe. Maybe I just need to learn to drive.

Conversion is slow and steady, just need to pay for all the parts people have provided me with.....lol

Hahaha...yeah, I think you need to learn how to drive. With that much more power you should be able to beat Kev's car.

Back on topic: here's a nice link for most of the FYI q's out there:

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=689805

buh_buh
02-12-2005, 12:44 PM
haha yeah I ran 14.0 with 161whp with the help of a stripped interior and the atkins diet.:poosie:

1-Bar
02-12-2005, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
haha yeah I ran 14.0 with 161whp with the help of a stripped interior and the atkins diet.:poosie:

no kidding, any harder shifting on your frail body, you'll snap your arm.

richardchan2002
02-12-2005, 11:58 PM
14.0?!?! I remember a certain "purple" :D prelude taking more than 20 seconds to run a 1/4 last year at Race City. Hmmm... Atkins is looking quite tempting now.

buh_buh
02-13-2005, 12:11 AM
haha yeah it ran a [email protected] but it wasn't me driving.:poosie: :rofl:

1-Bar
02-13-2005, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by buh_buh
haha yeah it ran a [email protected] but it wasn't me driving.:poosie: :rofl:

still faster then my 1/4

buh_buh
02-17-2005, 05:27 PM
wow dead already?

richardchan2002
02-17-2005, 06:08 PM
There's too many fifth gen lurkers here on beyond. :D

A prelude meet would be pretty cool, but I'm not sure how many preludes would make it . I'm looking forward to seeing some preludes this season! Anyone care to share some mods they've done over the winter? ;)

buh_buh
02-17-2005, 06:19 PM
we should definately have a Calgary Prelude meet for all gens.
See if we can get a better turnout than Edmonton! haha.

vtec
02-17-2005, 07:09 PM
id join in, it'd be cool seein how everyones got their setups

1-Bar
02-17-2005, 11:16 PM
hahaha....yeah, I'd be down for a 5th gen meet. Hopefully its just not me, kevin and richard who shows up....lol

As for how winter mods/plans went, I'll let you guys in on something, I picked up a Bride Zeta III seat (Thanks Allan from STRD).....

1-Bar
02-17-2005, 11:17 PM
here's some good info: gear ratios for all the lude tranny's courtesy of poison on h-t

4th Gen
F22/S- H23a/Si - H22a/VTEC
--M2L5----M2S4----M2F4
1 - 3.307 - 3.307 - 3.307
2 - 1.810 - 1.857 - 1.950
3 - 1.230 - 1.320 - 1.360
4 - 0.903 - 1.034 - 1.071
5 - 0.705 - 0.812 - 0.870
FD 4.062 - 4.266 - 4.266
*Above info taken from USDM Helms manual.

M2B4 (JDM LSD) M2J5 (JDM) M2A4 (JDM)

1. 3.307 1. 3.307 1. 3.307
2. 1.950 2. 1.810 2. 1.950
3. 1.360 3. 1.269 3. 1.160
4. 1.034 4. 0.966 4. 1.034
5. 0.787 5. 0.787 5. 0.787
FD 4.266 FD 4.062 FD 4.266
*Above info taken from teardown and tooth counts.

5Gen:

1st 3.285
2nd 1.956
3rd 1.344
4th 1.034
5th 0.812
FD 4.266
*Above taken from USDM Helms manual.

buh_buh
02-17-2005, 11:29 PM
well we should definately have a Prelude meet this summer sometime. Who wants to organize?

1-Bar
02-18-2005, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by buh_buh
well we should definately have a Prelude meet this summer sometime. Who wants to organize?

I'll volunteer to help set something up....

buh_buh
02-18-2005, 01:02 AM
haha thanks for volunteering.
If anyone's interested in a Prelude meet pm 1-bar!

Skyline_Addict
02-18-2005, 01:04 AM
i'm in for a meet!

buh_buh
02-18-2005, 01:06 AM
tentative date?

1-Bar
02-18-2005, 01:09 AM
hmmm....how about end of april, after exams and all??? Also give you some time to slap on the mods you purchased over winter....

ryder_23
02-18-2005, 03:46 AM
Count me in chris :thumbsup: msn me or call me

edit: ps, no new mods :( but i'm looking for some new front/rear brakes any recomendations?

1-Bar
02-18-2005, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by ryder_23
Count me in chris :thumbsup: msn me or call me

edit: ps, no new mods :( but i'm looking for some new front/rear brakes any recomendations?

don't need to get calipers or rear brakes....get good pads and rotors up front. I'd say brembos and some axxis cobalt pats.

richardchan2002
02-18-2005, 10:05 AM
I'm definitely in too. But the end of April might not be best for me. I leave the country on April 30th and I don't know when my last exam is...

richardchan2002
02-18-2005, 10:10 AM
I'm with Chris on that one. I have goodridge stainless lines, brembo slotted rotors, and axxis ceramic pads and I'm very happy with the performance.

Calipers are :bigpimp:. I'm a big fan of the spoon ones, but you'll need spacers if you run them on your stock wheels. A big brake kit is expensive and also might not fit your stock rims...

1-Bar
02-18-2005, 10:12 AM
oh yeah...ss lines are a must. Spoon are nice...I like NSX calipers myself....

shadowz
02-18-2005, 10:18 AM
lol how about in May when I bring mine out?

buh_buh
02-18-2005, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by shadowz
lol how about in May when I bring mine out? May or June sounds good to me too.

shadowz
02-18-2005, 02:37 PM
yea either or, cause there will still be rocks out in april

MM99lude
02-18-2005, 07:00 PM
how have i not stumbled on this thread earlier!! its about time we had an official 5th gen thread (and vertain 4th gens allowed too)

I would definatly be down for a lude meet, maybe even a cruise for a bbq?

richardchan2002
02-18-2005, 09:50 PM
I was wondering where you've been Mike! It's about time you joined us. haha. Welcome.

1-Bar
02-18-2005, 11:18 PM
cool....okay, tentative date is set for sometime in May....any other luders out there who would like to join??

Oh yeah, mike fix your sig....your have a spelling err-or, lol

ryder_23
02-19-2005, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by 1-Bar


don't need to get calipers or rear brakes....get good pads and rotors up front. I'd say brembos and some axxis cobalt pats.

Yeah, i should of been more clear.

I'm looking at new rotors in general. My front/rears are warped pretty badly, so i'm looking for something a little stronger. Brembo rotors seem to be the weapon of choice for most people, as well with axxis pads. Any recomendations on where to pick this stuff up?

MM99lude
02-19-2005, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by 1-Bar
cool....okay, tentative date is set for sometime in May....any other luders out there who would like to join??

Oh yeah, mike fix your sig....your have a spelling err-or, lol

but thats the whole point chris its out of "contorl"

and yes, i know its cheesie!!

richardchan2002
02-19-2005, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by ryder_23


Yeah, i should of been more clear.

I'm looking at new rotors in general. My front/rears are warped pretty badly, so i'm looking for something a little stronger. Brembo rotors seem to be the weapon of choice for most people, as well with axxis pads. Any recomendations on where to pick this stuff up?

Try Tunerworks! :thumbsup:

vtec
02-19-2005, 02:23 PM
ill join this meet also

MM99lude
02-19-2005, 04:30 PM
anybody got a lead where i could grab a CF trim kit? aside from ording from the states.

cough*richard*cough

buh_buh
02-19-2005, 05:46 PM
hey anyone want to buy an ES motor mount insert kit? Brand new still in the box. $30

ryder_23
02-19-2005, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
hey anyone want to buy an ES motor mount insert kit? Brand new still in the box. $30

Have anything else for sale ? Or anyone else out there selling anything?

Just lookin for possible random things, if stuff turns up. :thumbsup:

buh_buh
02-19-2005, 06:09 PM
uhhh just that and my dvd player. Thats it sorry dude.

richardchan2002
02-19-2005, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by MM99lude
anybody got a lead where i could grab a CF trim kit? aside from ording from the states.

cough*richard*cough

I'm still not sure if I want to sell it or not. I'll ponder it for a bit and get back to you!



Originally posted by buh_buh
hey anyone want to buy an ES motor mount insert kit? Brand new still in the box. $30

Are the motor mounts supposed to reduce wheel hop? Do you know if it raises the engine at all? My hood just barely closes right now. :)

buh_buh
02-19-2005, 06:24 PM
it shouldn't raise the engine as far as I know.
And yes it does reduce wheel hop.

1-Bar
02-20-2005, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by MM99lude


but thats the whole point chris its out of "contorl"

and yes, i know its cheesie!!

ahhh....I see, I see....

alright, the list for the meet goes:

1-bar
buh_buh
richardchan2002
vtec
skyline_addict
ryder_23
shadowz
MM99lude
primer_drift

tentative date set for May....Hey Richard, when are you coming back??

MM99lude
02-20-2005, 12:21 PM
i hope this meet lines up with my work schedule, because i'll be out in BC for 8 straight days and then home for 6, and then again all over. So as soon as i find out when i'm working i'll let you guys know and hopefully it can happen on a day off.


edit: by the way, if people have some pictures of their cars from the summer throw them up! Lets see some beyond ludes!

1-Bar
02-20-2005, 12:58 PM
if this weather starts to hold up, I'll post some new picks with my new track shoes!!

MM99lude
02-21-2005, 03:00 AM
OH WHAT!! new shoes? what happen to the ADVAN's? hmm now i'm interested!

richardchan2002
02-21-2005, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by 1-Bar

tentative date set for May....Hey Richard, when are you coming back??

I'm back at the end of May. Probably the week of v8less. I'll let you know the exact date once I find out!

1-Bar
02-21-2005, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by MM99lude
OH WHAT!! new shoes? what happen to the ADVAN's? hmm now i'm interested!

muhahaha...you'll see in a couple of weeks.

So how does the end of May sound. Group meet/cruise/photo op??? Before V8less then?!? What does everyone think?? My car should be clean and in form....

richardchan2002
02-21-2005, 10:08 PM
Just before v8less would be perfect. Photo op/Cruise is a good idea too. Can't wait!

5gluder
02-21-2005, 10:14 PM
A prelude meet!!! you know i'll be there:thumbsup:

dkny_stylez
02-22-2005, 12:44 AM
:burnout:

D-Man
02-22-2005, 08:33 AM
Can the Edmonton prelude enthusiasts take part in your meet/cruise/photo shoot or is this just a beyond.ca thing?

buh_buh
02-22-2005, 10:51 AM
people that live in Edmonton suck:thumbsdow ;)

D-Man
02-22-2005, 04:12 PM
You should know biatch:drama:

Too bad we couldn't pull this off last year when I tried to organize an alberta prelude meet at the V8less SCC @ Race City.

X_plorer
02-22-2005, 05:09 PM
Just found this thread and was wondering if anyone else has noticed that the 5th gen prelude is terrible for the rock chips? Not sure if it is the paint they use in Japan or what but our civic was built in N. America and the paint seems to stand up to way more abuse. My preludes front end has even been replaced and was quality work and the chips are still abundant... not sure if it is the angle of the hood or what. Maybe the color or pearl paint? Its Electron blue... anyone else notice this? The new body kit isn't going to look so pretty anymore. Was thinking of going with 3m coating but not sure if I like the look. Cheaper than a new paint job I suppose.

Skyline_Addict
02-22-2005, 05:17 PM
i noticed that there is a vancouverpreludeclub and an edmontonprelude club....from my knowledge there isn't one in calgary.... let's get started!

D-Man
02-22-2005, 06:50 PM
The Edmonton Prelude Club welcomes all prelude enthusiasts from across Alberta. You don't have to be from Edmonton to join and take advantage of the member privileges...

buh_buh
02-23-2005, 02:03 AM
3M is worth every penny:thumbsup:
Just get it repainted first.

1-Bar
02-23-2005, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by D-Man
The Edmonton Prelude Club welcomes all prelude enthusiasts from across Alberta. You don't have to be from Edmonton to join and take advantage of the member privileges...

perhaps you should call it the Alberta Preluce Club then....hahahaha, (APC)

EK 2.0
02-23-2005, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by 1-Bar


perhaps you should call it the Alberta Preluce Club then....hahahaha, (APC)


there you go...free advertising...

1-Bar
02-23-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by EK 2.0



there you go...free advertising...

Ooo....EK 2.0, you got 1/2 of the right motor...hahaha j/j

dkny_stylez
02-23-2005, 07:27 PM
APC sounds good haha:poosie:

buh_buh
02-23-2005, 08:13 PM
nah, we'll just have our own CPC.:poosie:

Skyline_Addict
02-23-2005, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
nah, we'll just have our own CPC.:poosie:

:werd:

we could be a beyond affiliate too (like the MR2 and Bimmer forums) ;)

buh_buh
02-23-2005, 08:16 PM
haha we can have our own forum on 403 if you guys really want.

Skyline_Addict
02-23-2005, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
haha we can have our own forum on 403 if you guys really want.

i'm up for either (prefferably w/ beyond though, as i don't frequent any other forum other than beyond simply because of lack of time).

Superesc
02-23-2005, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Skyline_Addict


i'm up for either (prefferably w/ beyond though, as i don't frequent any other forum other than beyond simply because of lack of time).

403honda would welcome any honda affliated clubs :)

richardchan2002
02-23-2005, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
nah, we'll just have our own CPC.:poosie:

Ooh Ooh. I call president!

buh_buh
02-23-2005, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by richardchan2002


Ooh Ooh. I call president! haha, well then I get to be the king.:poosie:

EK 2.0
02-23-2005, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by richardchan2002


Ooh Ooh. I call president!



Originally posted by buh_buh
haha, well then I get to be the king.:poosie:


shit...then I call dibs on God...

buh_buh
02-23-2005, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by EK 2.0






shit...then I call dibs on God... you dont even drive a lude!!:whipped: :D

EK 2.0
02-23-2005, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
you dont even drive a lude!!:whipped: :D


I got, uhmmm...err,,,well oh yeah well, so there...


that way I wouldn't be biased:D