Alberta Colleges seeking degree granting status

[Lee_8]

Does anyone know the list of Alberta colleges seeking degree granting status? I know of Grant Macewan College in Edmonton and Mount Royal College in Calgary, but I was wondering if any others were pursuing bachelor degree granting status.

[crazyning]

I believe that SAIT might fit into that group. Read about it in the Weal, but I'm not too confident about the validity of the Weal's journalism.

[2002civic]

theres not enough funding for the existing universities, i think this is dumb:thumbsdow

[eblend]

Employer: "Which university did you graduate from?"

You: "The Mount Royal University"

Employer: "WTF FOO, where the hell is that? You mean the colledge?"

You: "Its a university now :( "

sorry no clue but i think its lame as hell, they can't even run one university in calgary normally cuz of budget, how the hell are they going to run 2! mind you they would be repeating courses which is a complete waist of resources

[7thgenvic]

Originally posted by eblend
Employer: "Which university did you graduate from?"

You: "The Mount Royal University"

Employer: "WTF FOO, where the hell is that? You mean the colledge?"

You: "Its a university now :( "

sorry no clue but i think its lame as hell, they can't even run one university in calgary normally cuz of budget, how the hell are they going to run 2! mind you they would be repeating courses which is a complete waist of resources

hahah, worrd! even if mount royal gets their status, i don't think any degree will fully be recognized, i have no fucking idea how they will fund two uni's in calgary, University of Calgary can't fund its own problems, all you see in the school paper is the cutbacks and teachers getting fired, the place is already a shit hole! whats the point of two uni's in calgary! HONESTLY, if you don't get into ucalgary, then why bother staying in calgary.

I know many of you probably don't like what im saying, buttt do you honeslty believe there is a need for both schools?

[thinmyster]

from what all my buddies tell me about their courses at mount royal they're all a joke ( but impretty sure its just their program so dont attck me). but he's under the impression that when he graduates that he'll have a degree? im like they're not just going to give you a degree cause they switched your last semester. but whatever i dont think it will happen regardless

[kiwi]

If the colleges are given university status, the degrees might be recognized in Alberta only!

Sorta like Devry. Their bachelor degrees are only recognized in this province. Outside of Alberta, it's no different from a tech diploma from Sait.

[Toma]

It's a good idea because at least the U of C is run with such wastage and beurocracy.... it is completely inefficeinet and a waste of tax payer and tuition payers money.

Granting the colleges the degree granting status ought to bring costs back in line.

[eblend]

but does anyone actually want to graduate from mount royal and get a degree there? not to offend anyone but many people go to mount royal because they don't have the grades to make it into university right away, many ppl eventually transfer to university once they get a good gpa due to easier classes at mount royal. I have a few friends who go to mount royal and their classes are seriously a joke, and all they tell me is their gpa is going up so they can finally transfer.

[AG_Styles]

don't ppl going to MRC get marks just for attending class?
yah, i heard programs at SAIT and MRC are pretty slack.

[TrevorK]

NAIT is going to be offerring degree's - it's already been given the green light for one degree, and they are working on getting another setup.

[TrevorK]

Originally posted by 2002civic
theres not enough funding for the existing universities, i think this is dumb:thumbsdow

Considering some of the degrees they will be offerring aren't offerred at the current university's how is that dumb?

Perhaps educate yourself on the issue before speaking.

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by kiwi
If the colleges are given university status, the degrees might be recognized in Alberta only!

Sorta like Devry. Their bachelor degrees are only recognized in this province. Outside of Alberta, it's no different from a tech diploma from Sait.

No. If the colleges are granded university status, the degrees will be recognized all over Canada.

Devry has no recognition within Alberta or anywhere else.

[SteveMo600]

Originally posted by thinmyster
from what all my buddies tell me about their courses at mount royal they're all a joke ( but impretty sure its just their program so dont attck me). but he's under the impression that when he graduates that he'll have a degree? im like they're not just going to give you a degree cause they switched your last semester. but whatever i dont think it will happen regardless

Your buddy is probably getting an applied degree because it's impossible for him to get a bachelor at Mount Royal.


I'm going to vouch for Mount Royal. I think it's a great school. Out of High School I had the marks to get into business at U of C but opted to go to Mount Royal because of location, tuition cost and class sizes. Some of the classes that I've taken have been tough like stats, accounting etc. for my BCOMM so generalizing that "Mount Royal" classes are easy is fuckin stupid. Obviously a lot of people go to Mount Royal to raise their GPA so of course the college is going to offer come easy classes but that doesn't mean the whole college is like that.

I think that getting bachelor degree status for Mount Royal would be good for some. Some people really like business but it's tough to get into at some Universities depending on the competitive GPA. For a lot of employers, it doesn't matter where you get your Undergrad degree. Graduate and Masters are a different story. I'm not saying that a Mount Royal degree is the way to go for everybody (sure as hell not me?!) but it may be a good option for some.

[2002civic]

Originally posted by TrevorK


Considering some of the degrees they will be offerring aren't offerred at the current university's how is that dumb?

Perhaps educate yourself on the issue before speaking.
What degree's will they be offering that Universities won't?

[2002civic]

and on a side note where is this funding going to come from since there is already 3 universities fighting for the little money that is available and all there are complaining, maybe you could educate me on what they'll do about that as well:rolleyes:

[t-im]

Originally posted by SteveMo600


Your buddy is probably getting an applied degree because it's impossible for him to get a bachelor at Mount Royal.


I'm going to vouch for Mount Royal. I think it's a great school. Out of High School I had the marks to get into business at U of C but opted to go to Mount Royal because of location, tuition cost and class sizes. Some of the classes that I've taken have been tough like stats, accounting etc. for my BCOMM so generalizing that "Mount Royal" classes are easy is fuckin stupid. Obviously a lot of people go to Mount Royal to raise their GPA so of course the college is going to offer come easy classes but that doesn't mean the whole college is like that.

I think that getting bachelor degree status for Mount Royal would be good for some. Some people really like business but it's tough to get into at some Universities depending on the competitive GPA. For a lot of employers, it doesn't matter where you get your Undergrad degree. Graduate and Masters are a different story. I'm not saying that a Mount Royal degree is the way to go for everybody (sure as hell not me?!) but it may be a good option for some.

Someone correct me here, but isn't the big flaw with the transfer program that if you don't get the 3.7 or whatever haskayne wants for transfer students, and you don't even meet the lowest entrance grade (lets say the actual entnrance gpa is 3.4) then you're screwed???

Especially if you could have just entered business at UC in the first place, and not have to worry about that???

[thinmyster]

yeah its way harder to tranfer into business after highschool if i were you i would have gone in right away but whatever... anyways thats what i mean he's getting his applied degree or whatever but he's hoping that when he's finished they will have already changed or something so he automatically have a degree..

but how exactly will they we granted to be a University? offer more programs??? someone please explain how they would go about the process

[Godfuader]

Originally posted by AG_Styles
don't ppl going to MRC get marks just for attending class?
yah, i heard programs at SAIT and MRC are pretty slack.

Because MRC is college for Van Horne HS grads right. :dunno:

Its just like any other college/university. Alot of the classes are uni level and are accepted at UofC. I love it for the class sizes (35 max) after the first year. The facilities are new and wonderful. The profs and faculty chairs are accessble. The applied accounting degree is actually acceptable for a CA designation entrance. The applied Financial services degree awards 'Canadian Securities' certification as part of the degree. The support from industry is excellent too. the business school has its board of directorys who are VPs and Managers from MAJOR national companies like CP Rail, Delloite & Touche, Supply Chain Management (Wal-Mart). It provides great alternatives to the standard B.Comm and other business degrees thru the uni. Besides, transfer entrance to Huskayne is 3.6 so if you dont start off at uni, its gonna be killer to transfer.

[Shoebox//Racer]

as far as i know the SAIT isnt looking for university status, but they are looking into offering another 2 year program for alot of their current programs to upgrade your diploma to a degree.... or something.

[eblend]

Originally posted by Godfuader

Besides, transfer entrance to Huskayne is 3.6 so if you dont start off at uni, its gonna be killer to transfer.

it is indeed a killer....i got 3.6 on the dot and got i just this year (from Com Sci at the U) :D now 3rd year MGIS :D

[thinmyster]

way to go eblend ^^^ that gives me hope to get into pharmacy :clap: :clap: :clap:

[kiwi]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


No. If the colleges are granded university status, the degrees will be recognized all over Canada.

Devry has no recognition within Alberta or anywhere else.

My cousin is attending Devry right now & I'm pretty sure Devry's degrees are recognized in Alberta... but only in Alberta though...

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by kiwi
Sorta like Devry. Their bachelor degrees are only recognized in this province. Outside of Alberta, it's no different from a tech diploma from Sait.

Most places in Alberta won't even recognize their degrees! :rofl:



Originally posted by eblend
but does anyone actually want to graduate from mount royal and get a degree there? not to offend anyone but many people go to mount royal because they don't have the grades to make it into university right away, many ppl eventually transfer to university once they get a good gpa due to easier classes at mount royal. I have a few friends who go to mount royal and their classes are seriously a joke, and all they tell me is their gpa is going up so they can finally transfer.

I can't speak for other students in other faculties, but as a CPSC student who's attended both institutions, I strongly believe MRC had much better classes than the equivalent U of C ones. I attended a couple of the first year CPSC classes at U of C and they were a fucken joke. I literally attended classes so I could take a nap. I decided to enroll at MRC to finish the remaining first year CPSC requirements as well as the second year ones because I was only allowed unclassified status at U of C because of my shitty high school grades. When I transferred over, I thought MRC would be a skip in the park. Fuck, was I wrong! When I got there, I found that they were so far ahead compared to U of C. I struggled for the whole semester just to get caught up with everyone. In fact, most of the people who dropped out of the first year CPSC courses at MRC went to Uni and were getting B's! Hahaha!

One thing between the classes at the two places, at MRC, the classes are smaller and the instructors don't have TA's so they're marking your work themselves and they often have much higher expectations. Over there, I really had to earn my marks. At the U of C, to get good marks, all you needed to do was regurgitate textbook material. The TA's would practically give you full marks on your assignments just for handing it in, since most of them were too lazy to look over your work anyways. Plus the assignments were easier. At MRC I was constantly pulling late/all nighters just to hope to get a mediocre grade. At U of C, I've never spent more than 2 hours on an assignment and they were usually done well over a week before it was due and the lowest grade I'd ever gotten on any of them was probably a 95%. My GPA actually went up significantly after transferring over! Hahaha! It's funny to see that most 4th year CPSC students can't even apply 1st year knowledge. It just seems that most CPSC students get their degrees for time served really. It's no wonder why the engineers make fun of us! Hahaha!

But like I said, that's from my own experience within CPSC. I can't say whether it's the same for others in different faculties. Going to MRC definitely put me a head of the game and if I could've finished a 4 year degree program there, I wouldn't have even hesitated to.



Originally posted by AG_Styles
don't ppl going to MRC get marks just for attending class?

I'm sure that's only a few classes. But then again, I've also taken some classes at U of C that did this too.

[kiwi]

My friend took some choir singing class at the UofC & all she had to do was show up to all of the performances to get an A!!!

[t-im]

Originally posted by kiwi
My friend took some choir singing class at the UofC & all she had to do was show up to all of the performances to get an A!!!

but don't you have to do a solo audition to get into those music classes now?!?!?!

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by kiwi


My cousin is attending Devry right now & I'm pretty sure Devry's degrees are recognized in Alberta... but only in Alberta though...

Tell your cousin to leave while he/she is ahead and go to a school that will land him/her a job.

[hexified]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Tell your cousin to leave while he/she is ahead and go to a school that will land him/her a job.

:werd: DeVry does fuck all for finding you a job. If you do manage to find a job its because of your own effort, of which they try and take credit for.

"Oh yes we have a 89% student employment rate...."

Of which 99% of those students in that statistic now say "Do you want fries with that sir? or by chance do you need help with your C++?"

[hexified]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


No. If the colleges are granded university status, the degrees will be recognized all over Canada.

Devry has no recognition within Alberta or anywhere else.

To be serious now actually....lol

Last time i checked i think it was last year, DeVry was granted University status in Alberta. Their normal Bachelor Degree for the computer programming stream (Computer Information Sciences) degree is recognized pretty much anywhere you want since its actually their Phoenix, AZ campus degree that you earn from Calgary. Their Bachelor of Technology on the otherhand is pretty much garbage.

DeVry Calgary Accreditation (http://www.devry.edu/calgary/about_accreditation.html)

[WWJAI]

Originally posted by D'z Nutz


I struggled for the whole semester just to get caught up with everyone.

At MRC I was constantly pulling late/all nighters just to hope to get a mediocre grade.




I can totally relate.

[kiwi]

Originally posted by t-im


but don't you have to do a solo audition to get into those music classes now?!?!?!

Yes, there is a solo audition you have to do to get into the class, but once you're in, you just sing in a choir... & there's your A!



Originally posted by Weapon_R


Tell your cousin to leave while he/she is ahead and go to a school that will land him/her a job.

hmm... my cousin is actually an international student. He didn't have the grades to get into university & he really wanted to study Info. Tech., so it was either Devry or Sait... in the end he chose Devry because it offered a Bachelor's degree.
He's doing really well! He has a 3.8 GPA or something :thumbsup:
but he only has one year left, so I doubt he'd want to transfer to UofC... & Devry is a lot more hands-on :dunno:

[TrevorK]

Originally posted by 2002civic

What degree's will they be offering that Universities won't?

One is the Bach. of Technology degree - and there is some sort of administration one I believe as well (At least in NAITs case).

[TrevorK]

Originally posted by 2002civic
and on a side note where is this funding going to come from since there is already 3 universities fighting for the little money that is available and all there are complaining, maybe you could educate me on what they'll do about that as well:rolleyes:

Do you have ANY Idea where funding comes from and how it is determined?

Did you know that at NAIT, less than 50% of their funding comes from the government?

Until you know where and how the funding occurs, don't go getting all excited.

And yes, I do work for NAIT so I have a bit of insight on funding.