Probe, mitsubishi and camaro

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

Hi guys, sorry I'm new to the forums. Actually I have a question, recently I decided to buy a probe and "rice" it out, actually go low profile and put work into the engine. I have a truck right now, dad wont let me sell it so I'm going to buy my own car, something good on gas. Which is how I came accrossed the probe.

Anyways I'm a fitness junky and was talking to a member of a forum I go to and he races cars to, gave me all this insight. I want to dress a probe up but anyone know what it would take to get it to beat a '95 eclipse GSX stock?

Also was thinking about a gas hog, a camaro with a 400 big block V8 5.7L. Some mod has been done to it, probably nothing serious, all he said was it was fast and could get to top speed fast. probably smoke the GSX. Any thoughts?

And last, buying an eclipse GS-T or a 300GT. He said a stock 300GT would probably beat the GSX if not be able to give it a good run, and if I were to drop a turbo in it then it would smoke it. Only one that I can afford is $2500, no trans and 113 miles away.

Please give me some insight since you guys are like, racers hardcore, love the movies on here, actually makes me want to become a racer, even though I have no clue when it comes to cars. Would the gas guzzler be the fastest out of all of them? Probe have any hope but cosmetics? THANKS!!!

[ecstasy_civic]

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That is all.


BTW; A 400ci big block is not a 5.7L

edit lol ment to say that haha

[KoukiS14]

^^ a 350ci is a 5.7L

a 400ci is closer to 6.6L

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

lol, well could you guys give me some info? Maybe like what would the fastest one be or would win in a race? Is the probe a lost hope? Get a Mits or the pontiac?

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

I must apolagize, I have no clue where 5.7L came from, maybe I'm losing my mind or something, it is a 400 big block though. All it needs is a bigger radiator. The ofcourse headers and dual exhaust for some sound.

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

Come on guys! Please?!:confused:

[pyro]

why is this in "street encounters":dunno: u might want to focus more on learning about the dynamics of a vehical first before u start "racing". id say get a skyline and put a Gallo 12 or a Gallo 24 in it, that thing would decimate all, :D

[Euro_Trash]

Originally posted by xxX Hefty Xxx

And last, buying an eclipse GS-T or a 300GT. He said a stock 300GT would probably beat the GSX if not be able to give it a good run, and if I were to drop a turbo in it then it would smoke it. Only one that I can afford is $2500, no trans and 113 miles away.


Is that supposed to be 3000GT? Cuz they are sickeningly fast. My buddy's is pushing something like 390 HP, and man does it ever fly.

[tictactoe2004]

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[xxX Hefty Xxx]

Yeah, I missed a zero I guess. Well ya see guys, we all aren't rich. I have to pay for it myself off of what little I make an hour, that and I'm still a junior in high school. So I can't just go out and buy some important and deck it out. And I don't know why this is in this forum, seemed like the only place I could put it? None of the other places I saw seemed to fit.

What about the probe and firebird? Firebird bust out some mean speed? Theres a 3000GT for sale around me, no transmission but I can get one for cheap, my family owns a junkyard/autoparts shop, even use to have a body shop. I can get one to fix it and probably sell it for a lot more, or just use it myself, thing is I gotta save up 2500 for a vehical that doesn't run...lol.

[AllGoNoShow]

OK one.

Your either a Junior in high school or in junior high school, if you r in junior high school stay away from buying and just focus on learning more about them first.

2, Camaro is Chevy, 400cid is NOT 5.7L, 5.7L is a 350cid. If the Camaro is was originally a 350cid, and now swapped into a 400cid, you don't need a bigger rad, depending on the year, older 400cids were small blocks still. If the car was originally a 2.8L then it was probably swapped with a 350cid as most people don't bother with 400cid's on Camaro's, in that case it would need a bigger rad if you were doign some more serious driving with it, to and from work and shcool and a little bit of fun, you wont have an issue.

Yes those smallblocks can be pretty quick, but don't forget the Camaro is a heavier car then some of the imports out there, he maybe be able to get up to speed quick with alot of low end torque, but the top speed won't be that great unless he has specifically taken time to change parts to have sweet low end and sweet top end, which takes time and money, which means it is out of your budget to buy. Not to mention the prices of gas and the fact that you will have a good chance of wrecking the car, your insurance will be high as well.

I don't know much about the 3000GT or the Stealths out there, but they are quick little shits sometimes.


Now where the hell did Pontiac Firebird come into play? You either have no clue what your talking about and are just full of dreams, or you have no clue what your talking about and are messing up cars again.

My question is this, if your parents used to own a paint shop, now own a junkyard and parts store, why the hell do you know nothing about cars it seems?

[theken]

u also neglect to mention which kinda of probe, i would buy a 88-92 turbo cause theres potential

[habsfan]

junior in high school? take this advice. you claim you're "not rich" so despite what you really want to do(buy a car), resist the temptation. i speak from experience. when i was 16ish i had worked enough to be able to buy a car, and believe me i wanted to. but my parents always told me no, just wait, no just wait. i hated it and sometimes hated them for it. but you know what, i'm now 19 and over those 3 years i've come to realize how right they were. i'm startin up college and im glad i've saved the money that woulda been thrown away with a car. so in short, my advice to you, think real hard about gettin a car in high school if you plan on going to post secondary, especially if you're "not rich". hope you truly consider it :)

[Euro_Trash]

Originally posted by xxX Hefty Xxx
Yeah, I missed a zero I guess. Well ya see guys, we all aren't rich. I have to pay for it myself off of what little I make an hour, that and I'm still a junior in high school. So I can't just go out and buy some important and deck it out. And I don't know why this is in this forum, seemed like the only place I could put it? None of the other places I saw seemed to fit.


Don't try and make it seem like you are the only one paying for your car stuff. Myself and a lot of people I know pay for every cent of car stuff they have. Im only 17, paying my way through university without loans (just finished first year here) and my car isn't exactly stock. It's all about how you budget your money

[Wildcat]

kid, i wouldnt trust you with a power wheelchair let alone a car.

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

Would be kewl to have a car to keep up with a built muscle car, I'm working out all my money right now and looks like I could buy an eclipse after summer, probe easly, and a f-ed up 3000GT and just give it some love to make it better.

@AllgoNoShow
Sorry, I'm so f-ing out of it tonight for some reason, I don't know if it's my pills or what but there was no camaro, must have been a car bellow it? The 400 big block was a firebird not a camaro.

The whole thing about my family owning these places is like, My grandpa owned a body shop, his brother owned an autoparts shop and a junk yard. My dad worked for him as a kid grew up like the average son to a place like that. Doing races and stuff at the drag strip, working there. Well my grandpa failed to invest properly and ended up selling it, his brother though still has his business. So before my dad could get really involved and before I could get into cars(makes me mad) our chance was lost.

@theken
'97 probe GT

@habsfan
Junior in high school, as in next year I'll be a senior.

@Euro_trash
Well I'm in high school still currently making 6.50 an hour, I don't know about you but I wasn't lucky enough to get a good paying job. My friend makes 7 an hour plus comission. Fucking asshole brought in $2,000 just during november at MC sports. But I'm going to try and get a job for $10 and hour at best buy. No insult was ment to you guys. Just that I'm poor.

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

Not much difference between a stealth and a 300GT other then body right?

[finboy]

Originally posted by Wildcat
kid, i wouldnt trust you with a power wheelchair let alone a car.

:werd:

still in highschool and you want a fast car, that can lead to a LOT of tickets :rofl:

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

lol, actually no. I'm responsable, I use to speed a lot, I would go easly 25-30 over. But now I go 5 over only, now not to say I would let all that power go to waste, I would just be smart, maybe even by a radar detecter. I haven't had one ticket yet, where I live there is only 3 cops driving around, some times a state trooper down this main street, vary rare are they sherifs, I'll be fine.

[A790]

A probe won't touch a stock GSK without pouring in THOUSANDS.

A 3000GT is stupid fast, especially the twin turbos.

A camaro is fun. My advice? By a DSM between 92-94 and mod that.

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

I did some reasearch, and I want a Dodge Stealth ES.

The ES stock puts out like 222 HP, 2 more then the GSX, and tops at 147, GSX tops at 130-140. GSX has AWD though, and I would assume the DS has FWD. Now if a Turbo was dropped in the DS well then, it would deffinatly beat the GSX. I also like the DS with this body kit, no real mods are needed, but I'll have to drive like 200 miles to get one when I have the money ;) , ROAD TRIP!

[StraightFlush]

Your choice of going with a Dodge Stealth ES is horrible if you want something to "race" a GSX in. Heck the Stealth ES woulb be neck and neck with your probe GT.

Dont let HP numbers make you think something is faster than another....the weight of the car plays a BIG role, and thats why the Stealth ES will loose real badly to the GSX.

Stick with the advice given on this board...92-94DSM can be had for very cheap...and made to go very fast with very little money.

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

What does the M stand for?

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

According to the Spec sheet provided by Team35, the ES ways less then the 300GT SL and Base model. The SE '93 curb weight is 3,186 lbs. A '97 ford probe GT weighs 2,690 lbs. A '93 eclipse GSX weighs 3,681 lbs. Think a turbo kit would make an ES weigh more then 3,681 lbs? Maybe with all the down pipes and muffler and all that stuff that will have to be added, and then the GSX has AWD on the stealth. Ofcourse since adding a body kit to the ES will add body weight and serve no purpose, a carbon fiber hood would also help bring the weight down, same with taking out the back seats, hell even the passanger seat, but that is a no, no. And a NOS kit would even bring up the speed, but I believe using NOS is cheating plus I would not objectify my engine to that obuse. Adding a cool air flow kit would add some horses, anything else? Please be more specific to as why the ES would still suck, I'm trying to learn all this stuff fast, doing a good job I think for a crash course.

What is the DSM? Please give me a link to info on one or let me know of a site to search for info, nothing popped up on google.

[dkny_stylez]

wtf u talking about kid?:english:

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

What do you mean? IRL was refering to weight I assumed because of the the whole "the weight of the car plays a BIG role" thing, yet the ES weighs less then a 3000GT and the GSX, granted the GSX has a turbo and is AWD, I don't think adding a turbo to a ES will make it gain 400 lbs, and if for some reason it did, it is still 100lbs lighter ;). What I'm trying to say is I don't know why weight was brought up, even with a turbo installed and a body kit I believe it would still come in lighter.

Hey, turbos make that cool sounding "Pshhhh" sound when floored right? I heard it in one of the videos on here I saw, I love watching those videos.

[Euro_Trash]

Yea thats the only reason I have a supercharger on my car, it makes neat noises

[habsfan]

man did you even read what i wrote? i dont really care if you're a junior or a senior, my point was that if you have any future aspirations of success think about how much you're gonna pay for college or university. and how much you're gonna pay on gas, insurance and repairs that you are bound to need when you pull your car out of a ditch because you won't know how to handle such high speeds. you're talking about 3000gt and eclipse max speeds, i'm not even gonna touch that. please get some sense and buy something smaller, slower and fun to drive first to hone your skills before you consider becoming a "racer". please for the love of god read what people are posting. we're all saying the same thing and you just dont listen. dont buy something fast. you'll kill yourself. i swear if you make another post without even making recognition to some of the posts in this thread, i'm done trying to help you and i'll be the first one to say "i told ya so" after you crash your fast car or get owned by speeding tickets and never be able to afford insurance.

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

Don't even start to sterotype me alright? I'm not the average teen and irresponsable alright? I work a lot to pay for my stuff, I'm very responsable. I've never missed a day of work or showed up late, even on days I'm called into cover for some one, only once have I had some one cover for me and that is because we switched days. I have a prefect attendance nearly at school, I pay for my insurance and gas, and I don't speed, anymore.

No tickets or anything yet and uh, let's see, just because I have some super fast car doesn't mean I'm going to go speeding everywhere I go, infact I probably wouldn't even use it's balls enough to make it logical to get one. So don't just assuming because I'm 17 and in high school that I'm irresponsible, and I probably wont go to college, infact I'm practically already taking college courses right now for job training, so that takes care of that.

I like how on almost every fucking forum people like to shut kids down, you do that to every kid you see with a car like this? Well fuck you because people your age aren't the only one that can have fun. I want to turn this into a hobby, and make fitness and nutrition my job, oh wait, you going to shut me down on being fit too? Should I worry more about school then being fit? I've heard it all dude, and people trying to shut me down only makes me want it more.

My dad said I can't sell my truck, guess what? I'm buying a car instead on my own money, MY CAR, a car that looks good, the balls are there only to stand ground when needed. Should I not buy subs and amps to? Because you know us kids, got our music up to loud and all, us rascals. Maybe I should focus on my school more then working too, because I work to late. And I also have my experience of driving, I off road, do shit when it's icy. Ever go off roading before? Not easy to drive when you are bouncing all over the place, I'm a very good driver so don't insult me please.

Anyways, may we please get back to topic here? I want to learn more, stuff like this isn't written on websites exactly. I like personal opinions. I wanna know why IRL said the ES would be neck and neck with the probe GT, when the ES weighs less then the 3000GT and GSX.

[Wildcat]

^first of all, form cohereant sentences and then maybe someone will start taking you seriously. second, you say all this now before you get a car, its like a 12 year old saying hes going to wait untill marriage before he starts fucking. get real buddy.

[The Rider]

Originally posted by xxX Hefty Xxx
I'm a very good driver


No you're not.


You might be a "better than average" driver if you're as smart and responsible as you seem to think you are, but in the 2 or so years since you've gotten your license it's just not possible to get enough experience to become a "very good driver" Colin McRae is a very good driver, Michael Schumaker is a very good driver. There are many "very good drivers" out there (not all neccesarily professional racers either) and they all have far more experience than you do at this point.

Rant and whine all you want, but really from what you've been saying, ie. the fact that because there isn't much of a police presence in your area a fast car is a good idea, you'd be faaaar better off with getting something somewhat more sedate as your first car. It can still be fun and somewhat quick but getting a crazy fast car is just not going to end well for you one way or another. Allow me to summarize this post with some basic algebra.

Fast Car + Cocky High Schooler = Smashy Smashy


PS: DSM refers to cars manufactured by Diamond Star Motors, Mitsubishi, Dodge, and Eagle fall under this category. If you enter "what does DSM stand for?" into google the answer pops up as the first entry and it's from this very website no less. ;) When you said you googled it, did you mean that you googled at porn until your keyboard was sticky but didn't find the answer? Because that's actually something else entirely.;)

[xxX Hefty Xxx]

I haven't gone fucking yet ;). Hell if I want to take the chance in getting a kid without my life set up, my bro came close to knocking this girl up, turned out it was another guy's child ;)

[Euro_Trash]

Man this thread is useless, its going nowhere, someone close this

[StraightFlush]

Originally posted by xxX Hefty Xxx
Anyways, may we please get back to topic here? I want to learn more, stuff like this isn't written on websites exactly. I like personal opinions. I wanna know why IRL said the ES would be neck and neck with the probe GT, when the ES weighs less then the 3000GT and GSX.

Ok, let me try break it down even more. You want speed right? Well I will use this website as a reference for you...the times listed here are a tad slow...but it will give you the comparison you are looking for with the cars you selected.

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

1991 Dodge Stealth ES 7.1 15.6

1994 Ford Probe GT 7.5 15.7

1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 6.4 15.0
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4 14.9

Just take this as a reference. When it comes to speed...like I said HP is not everything. I mentioned weight playing a role because Stealth's are notorious for being "pigs". I am no stealth expert by any means...but from every single non turbo stealth I have seen...they have been horrible down the 1/4 mile.

So as I said before...your choice for a Non Turbo Stealth as a platform to compete against an Eclipse is a very very shitty choice to say the least....

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by habsfan
junior in high school? take this advice. you claim you're "not rich" so despite what you really want to do(buy a car), resist the temptation. i speak from experience. when i was 16ish i had worked enough to be able to buy a car, and believe me i wanted to. but my parents always told me no, just wait, no just wait. i hated it and sometimes hated them for it. but you know what, i'm now 19 and over those 3 years i've come to realize how right they were. i'm startin up college and im glad i've saved the money that woulda been thrown away with a car. so in short, my advice to you, think real hard about gettin a car in high school if you plan on going to post secondary, especially if you're "not rich". hope you truly consider it :)

pft car in HS = sex ;)

[DannyO]

Hefty, seriously listen to these guys, they are trying to help, I don't care how old you are, but it sounds to me like you want a car for all the wrong reasons, with all this mentioning of "will it beat a GSX" it sounds like you got a friend or maybe somebody big and popular at your school who has one and talks shit, and so you want to get a faster car and knock him off of the top, if so, DON'T GET A CAR, and being a teenager and having a fast car, with very little police force around, we know and so do you that you WILL speed, practically everyone has probably pushed there cars way past there limit and the drivers limit when they were young, and some might of got lucky and had nothing happened, but if you end up being an unlucky one, you will either end up dead, or taking someone elses life, and at the same time ruin yours, if you HAVE to get a car, get something thats fun but not gonna kill you, like a early 90s Golf, or if you can, get a nice classy car, and then pimp all the women.

[habsfan]

ok good for you you're not going to college but still taking courses that are like college so it all works out. congratulations. you're obviously set on buying a car, so go for it. more power to you. but i can't emphasize enough about how bad of an idea it is for you to get a fast car. trust me and everyone else when we say you are not as good of a driver as you think. am i being stereotyplical of teenagers? ya, i am, but guess what, its the truth. i thought the same way you did when i first got my license, i thought i was king shit and i was a better driver than everyone else out there. and now just 3 years later, im 10 times the driver i was back then, but not nearly as overconfident in my abilities. dont take anything im saying the wrong way okay, im not trying to stick it to kids. hell i'm still a kid, im only 19. i'm just trying to convince you to hone your driving skills on a small, maybe even underpowered but fun to drive machine such as the aforementioned golf, or even a civic (they have a great suspension system to start with and can be made to handle like crazy). sure it wont be fast in a straight line, but you'll learn to control it, and from there when you step up to something with more speed it'll be a walk in the park.

[AG_Styles]

lol, wrong forum...

do research on cars, then pick a car that suits ur driving style. just becuz a car has crazy horsepower doesn't mean it's the best car of all. if u can't control it and use it to it's fullest potential, it means nothing at all.
insurance will kill you and i dunno how ur gonna be able to afford gas and an expensive car at ur age, but hey, if u can, power to you.
as the saying goes, u gotta walk b4 u run.

[Sorath]

lmao gotta love kid bashing forums soooo fun :P

but yeah im with cam, get a dsm and do something crazy, maybe a talon or something u decide

[CLiVE]

Originally posted by xxX Hefty Xxx
[B]I did some reasearch, and I want a Dodge Stealth ES.



Do some more research. You don't want a Dodge Stealth ES.


One second thought maybe you do want an ES. If I would have had my Dodge Stealth RT/TT when I was your age, I'm sure I would not be alive today.

The RT/TT's are fast, fun cars....but can also be high maintenance.

[QuasarCav]

Originally posted by The Rider


Fast Car + Cocky High Schooler = Smashy Smashy




I read through this entire thread and this was the only piece of useful information that i could find.

Hope this helps.