Test Drive: 2005 Acura RSX Type S

[Skyline_Addict]

An Unbiased Review By Skyline_Addict. :)

This time, I decided to take an 05' Acura RSX-S for a spin (owned by A2VR6). Asian_Caucasian also did so, so you might be hearing from him as well.

While styling issues with the new RSXs are often debated, I believe that Honda has made subtle but effective styling cues to the new RSX. A2VR6's RSX came with clean yet presentable flushmount spoiler and beautiful 5 spoke 17" rims. The tailights, in my opinion look much better than previous and the overall aura of the car is that of both greater luxury as well as sportiness.

The interior is nothing you wouldn't expect from Acura - luxurious, well organized and well utilized for space. Leather wrapped bucket seats accompanied by a number of convenience features which would come standard in a middle to upper class sedan. While space is a luxury in the hatch-back, the car can still comfortably hold 4 full-grown adults with barely enough headroom in the back to spare.
http://acura.jbcarpages.com/RSX/2002/Bilder/2002%20RSX%20TypeS%20Interior%202.jpg
http://www.rsx-s.com/2005RSX/05rsxpr-08.jpg

Honda retains it's reputation for having some of the best gearboxes to work with, in my books. The clutch pedal was surprisingly less resistant than most Honda's I've driven, but nevertheless one of the most responsive as well. Naturally, the car was a sinch to drive, making the driving experience less focused on driving and more immersed in enjoyability. Engagement points were easy to feel and commenced with extreme smoothness and precision. Close gear ratios on the 6 speed manual enables more exact driving - the transmission is definetely one of the stronger points of the car.


The car is front wheel drive - but this does not prevent great handling and superb performance. While the wheelbase is short, it also enables responsive handling which is smooth and road hugging. The 210 horsepower i-VTEC engine is anything but slow, while VTEC engagement is undeniably apparant - VTEC is amazingly evident as the engine starts to scream to the point that it's ear piercing and you feel the car really start to take off. It is a very agressive sounding engine when driven so, but can be kept very quiet when driving it without too much of a lead foot and keeping revs under 4000 rpm.

http://acura.jbcarpages.com/RSX/2002/Bilder/2002%20RSX%20TypeS%20Engine.jpg
http://www.hondanet.co.jp/home/navi/integra/image/012.jpg

All in all, the RSX-S is a great sports car which doesn't sacrafice luxury. While many deteste a sports car which is also luxurious, the RSX-S doesn't fail to bring an exhilarating driving experience along with it. Buying the 2005 RSX-S could never be a bad choice. It is a great car in many if not all of it's aspects. The quality is incredible.

Skyline_Addict
beyond.ca :D

[AsianCaucasian]

New respect for hondas after driving the RSX-S. The tranny is really smooth, pickup is fast and VTEC is damn loud. Pretty quick car and impressive handling.
Lol, sorry for stalling the car haha, still a n00b at stick.

[Skyline_Addict]

Once again, feel free to leave any comments/experiences you have had with the car.

[DannyO]

Awesome review man, enjoyed readin this one and the other one you wrote about the Mazda, keep it up :thumbsup: , maybe a car mag will see and hire you :D

[mdeleon]

when i first saw pics of the new rsx, i hated it, but it grew on me once i actually started seeing them in person...seems like these days car's stylings are grown into (at least by me), to me, now, the rsx is way claner than the last one. but my question if you guys know the difference bwteen this new one and the old one?

[Skyline_Addict]

^^that would be awesome, test driving cars for a living!
anyways, i just do it for the love of cars...something I believe I should share with others! :D

[A2VR6]

Great writeup! I love almost everything about the car. I must say tho, it is a little overpriced for what it is. There are faster cars for the money out there (cobalt SS, SRT-4 , and arguably the WRX) and they probably will have cheaper insurance rates. What really sold me on the car was the tranny and the engine, even though the K20 doesnt make much torque on paper, in real life it is more than adequate. That being said, the RSX-S is a great package but the competition is catching up.

[Millsie]

I looked very, very closely at an 02 RSX-S and almost purchased. It was between that and the 01 Celica GTS I purchased. (insert honda-toyota flame war here)...both drove great, with the RSX coming across as easier to drive fast, the gearbox was certainly easier than the GTS, but a number of items pushed me the other way. Basically I was very impressed by the type S, and the appeal of access to nearly unlimited modifications made it a difficult choice. Ultimately, I ended up with the Celica because I prefer the styling and seating position of the GTS, which I know are all personal preference. I found the RSX with its high sills and dash was more like driving in a bathtub, where the Celica with its incredible view out the front and cozier cockpit was more like a jet fighter, and it reminded me of my old MR-2.
The fact that I am a long-time toyota buyer that was very nearly swayed to the honda side of the market is certainly an indication that the RSX is a special car.

[BigMass]

Nice review. That’s almost exactly how I felt about the Type S when I was looking at buying a new car 4 months ago. It held together many aspects of a high classed sporty car in one package that I believe is about as complete as it gets in that price range. When I picked out the 05 Type S I looked at the new Mini Cooper S, the WRX, RX-8 and even the new Mustang. All of those cars had many positive things about them but they also had one or two nagging points that I know would bother me down the road.

As soon as I drove the Type S I knew the total package was there. It was definitely my type of car. A couple of weeks ago my assertions about the car were confirmed when I took it out on the road course at race city and took it to the limit.

Pros:
Interior. Best in it’s class bar none.
Steering Wheel – best I’ve held on to
Seats

Engine
Noise (the sound of such a highly tuned NA engine is amazing at 8000 rpm)
The engine just keeps pulling and pulling to a very nice top speed.
8300rpm red line is just juicy
6speed and gear ratios. Always in Vtec makes the ratios perfect for track days

Handling is excellent. Small tuning improvements on the 05s definitely made a difference.

Here's a pic of my car since its fairly new and im still excited about it.
http://www3.telus.net/devilito/rsx.JPG

Future mods: Mugen SS, Mugen Airbox :)
Future plans: Drive the sucker like it was meant to be driven. See you at the track!
:thumbsup:

[BigMass]

Originally posted by mdeleon
but my question if you guys know the difference bwteen this new one and the old one?

sure...

Here are some of the differences between the previous Type S and the 05 Type S.



RSX/RSX Type-S

* Revised suspension tuning for increased handling precision and a smoother ride
o Ride height reduced by 7 mm
o Optimized damper and spring settings
o Firmer stabilizer bars (front and rear for Type-S, front for RSX)
o Bushings at suspension installation points were optimized
o Inversely wound front coil springs
* Refined steering system for enhanced feel and quicker response
o Quicker steering ratio
o Stiffer steering column
o Pump flow increased by seven percent
o Kickback reduction valve
* Optimized braking system for enhanced stopping power and feel
o Pedal stroke decreased
o Master cylinder diameter increased
o Brake pedal to rigidity increased
* Larger diameter 17-inch alloy wheels and 215/45R17 all-season high-performance tires
* Body rigidity increased 15 percent in front and 21 percent in the rear through the application of reinforcements at key areas
* NVH reduced
o Engine damper added to front subframe to reduce engine rocking and vibration transmitted from the engine to the cabin
o Insulation material added at key points on doors and roof to reduce road noise
o Side-mirror gaps sealed and weather strip added
* More aggressive exterior styling
o New front and rear bumper designs
o Redesigned headlight and taillight assemblies
o Restyled signature 5-sided Acura grille
o Redesigned side sill garnish
o Four new exterior colors: Magnesium Metallic, Vivid Blue Pearl, Jade Green Metallic, Blaze Orange Metallic
* Freshened interior design
o Deeply bolstered front seats with thicker cushions
o New chrome and titanium-look accents
o Meter faces changed from metallic to white

RSX Type-S Additional Enhancements

* Engine intake and exhaust modifications that boost the horsepower of the Type-S model to 210 at 7800 rpm (compared to 200 hp at 7400 rpm on the previous model)
o High performance camshafts to improve engine breathing
o Air intake duct enlarged for increased air flow
o Larger diameter exhaust pipes to increase exhaust flow
o Catalytic converter optimized to reduce exhaust backpressure
* 6-speed transmission optimized with a lower final gear ratio for quicker acceleration and carbon synchronizers replacing brass on 5th and 6th gears for a smoother shift feel
* Larger diameter front strut tower bar
* Bushings replaced by bearings on strut mount
* Larger diameter 17-inch alloy wheels and 215/45R17 all-season high-performance tires
* Deck lid spoiler


The '05 RSX-S has more potential than the '02-04 RSX-S because of the Type R cams. Hondata was able to squeeze 208.7hp / 148.9ft/lb from a RSX-S with CAI and K-Pro running on a modified 02-04 ECU on the 05. They surmise that they would have gotten even greater gains with the stock PRC snorkel intake (sorry not PRM) ... The results are even more impressive when you look at the dyno curve,

18 ft-lbs more of torque @ 2000 rpms, 15 ft-lbs @ 5800 and 8000, 16 hp peak gain, and 20hp @ 5800 rpms and 8000 rpms.

The dyno graphs speak for themselves, if and when Hondata ever release a flash for the 05 RSX-S, the car will have an extreme amount of potential especially with a K-Pro like full tuning system and some added goodies like a race header, etc ...

http://www.hondata.com/dynok20-05rsx.html

[BigMass]

Originally posted by A2VR6
Great writeup! I love almost everything about the car. I must say tho, it is a little overpriced for what it is. There are faster cars for the money out there (cobalt SS, SRT-4 , and arguably the WRX) and they probably will have cheaper insurance rates. What really sold me on the car was the tranny and the engine, even though the K20 doesnt make much torque on paper, in real life it is more than adequate. That being said, the RSX-S is a great package but the competition is catching up.

Kinda of funny because IMO its the best car for the price. But opinion is everything. My idea of a good car is different than other's. To me, if you glue a jet engine on a chevette and run (fly) the 1/4 mile in 4 seconds it does not make it a better car than say a Pagani Zonda. To me a car is a total package not just a 0-60 time.

[Skyline_Addict]

BigMass,


LOWER IT! :D

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by BigMass


Kinda of funny because IMO its the best car for the price. But opinion is everything. My idea of a good car is different than other's. To me, if you glue a jet engine on a chevette and run (fly) the 1/4 mile in 4 seconds it does not make it a better car than say a Pagani Zonda. To me a car is a total package not just a 0-60 time.

exactly how I feel.

[mdeleon]

Originally posted by BigMass
When I picked out the 05 Type S I looked at the new Mini Cooper S, the WRX, RX-8 and even the new Mustang. holy how did you make your choice with such different types of cars, are any of them even in the same class? lemme see, a fwd, awd, rwd, and a lgihtweight...musta been fun tho.

nice car, i like the color choice...i think it totally looks better than the old one now...maybe it's cuz i've seen so many opf the old ones done so aggresivley, got nothing against them but ye, the new ones are like schoolgirls...so innocent looking, but a freak when you ride em...muahahaha

[BigMass]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
BigMass,


LOWER IT! :D

Mugen SS soon :thumbsup:

I could get just lowering springs but patience will pay off in the long run. I dont plan on many mods but the few that i do get will be quality.

[BigMass]

Originally posted by mdeleon
holy how did you make your choice with such different types of cars, are any of them even in the same class? lemme see, a fwd, awd, rwd, and a lgihtweight...musta been fun tho.

nice car, i like the color choice...i think it totally looks better than the old one now...maybe it's cuz i've seen so many opf the old ones done so aggresivley, got nothing against them but ye, the new ones are like schoolgirls...so innocent looking, but a freak when you ride em...muahahaha

I didnt so much look for a specific "class" of car as more of "the best car in that price range for me"

I was lucky in that i didnt have any real restrictions in terms what i had to get.

[mdeleon]

Originally posted by BigMass


Mugen SS soon :thumbsup:

I could get just lowering springs but patience will pay off in the long run. I dont plan on many mods but the few that i do get will be quality.
^^^ only the best for your new baby eh? :thumbsup:

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by BigMass


Mugen SS soon :thumbsup:

I could get just lowering springs but patience will pay off in the long run. I dont plan on many mods but the few that i do get will be quality.

no doubt! good thinking.

[bspot]

I've gotta say, the styling of the new RSX has grown on me to the point I prefer it over the old one. Its just so damn clean...

I went with the Cobalt SS because I could get it for about 6K less, and the performance was better, but there is no way I'd deny that the RSX is much better looking.

[mdeleon]

^^^ you're opinion, but IMO i dont think the cobalt could out handle a type-s...but hey, i've never driven one so i wouldn't know

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by BigMass


Mugen SS soon :thumbsup:

I could get just lowering springs but patience will pay off in the long run. I dont plan on many mods but the few that i do get will be quality.

Nice! Thats exactly what im planning to get as well... Too bad they're on backorder for a good month atleast.

[pitwipe]

I'd like to ask the sticker price of the model driven, as well as the 0-60 times, and braking distances etc. I think this was a fantastic review, as was the Mazda's, but since this is a performance car I feel you need to include performance figures.

All in all, you do have an aptitude for car reveiws... keep it up!

PS... I still wanna see the STi reveiw :thumbsup:

[Skyline_Addict]

^^ it's coming it's coming.

i will post up the figures right now.

[Skyline_Addict]

Exterior
Length: 172.4 in. Width: 67.9 in.
Height: 54.9 in. Wheel Base: 101.2 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.4 in. Curb Weight: 2840 lbs.
Interior
Front Head Room: 37.8 in. Front Hip Room: 51.1 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 52.6 in. Rear Head Room: 34.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 51.3 in. Rear Hip Room: 46.2 in.
Front Leg Room: 43.1 in. Rear Leg Room: 29.2 in.
Luggage Capacity: 16 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 4
Performance Data

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 210 hp
Max Horsepower: 7800 rpm Torque: 143 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 7000 rpm Drive Type: FWD
Turning Circle: 38.1 ft.
0-60 mph in 6.7s
1/4 Mile in 14.9s @ 95.5 mph.

The Type-S, despite its much-criticized front strut suspension, also turned a quick 68 mph through our 700-ft. slalom

Fuel Data

Fuel
Fuel Tank Capacity: 13.2 gal.
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Manual: 23 mpg / 31 mpg
Range in Miles: (City/Highway)
Manual: 303.6 mi. / 409.2 mi.

[Skyline_Addict]

$34,050 MSRP for model tested.

[pitwipe]

Saweet!!

The interior looks great, no doubt about it! What about the exterior styling? Could you elaborate further... Did you feel it looked a little plain? You know, computer generated/wind tunnel sculpted? was it sexy? (the photo would suggest not)

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by pitwipe
Saweet!!

The interior looks great, no doubt about it! What about the exterior styling? Could you elaborate further... Did you feel it looked a little plain? You know, computer generated/wind tunnel sculpted? was it sexy? (the photo would suggest not)

putting me to work, aren't you! ;)

Styling will always be one of the most debated aspects of any car - because it's subjective. From a personal point of view I feel that the exterior styling is far from perfect, but more than adequate. In general, I am a little dissapointed in the direction styling (on all cars) is heading in. I've always preffered a longer nose, straighter lines and a longer wheel base. However, since we are moving into the future where compactness is always an issue, I believe that Honda managed quite well, to address the changes without dropping style. IMO, the RSX-S, performance aside, could've used a longer nose, slightly longer wheel base and a wider stance. I think the OEM body kit is quite well done although it is very plain (as most OEM parts by Honda are), but could be better, and you that you couldn't ask for a much nicer set of OEM rims. While I wouldn't call the car sleek, it does carry itself very well. There is always room for improvement, through future Honda releases or aftermarket. But that'll be subjective, as always.

[AsianCaucasian]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict


I've always preffered a longer nose, straighter lines

*cough* like a penis right terence? *cough*

hahaha j/k.

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by AsianCaucasian


*cough* like a penis right terence? *cough*

hahaha j/k.

you, my friend are the penis.

[pitwipe]

Ha ha, yes I'm making you work, but It's only cuz I'm interested - and you do a good job of being unbiased. Not an easy task for any car owner!

[Skyline_Addict]

I try!
I don't know if loving cars in general makes it easier or harder to be unbiased ;).

[max_boost]

Nice read!

The RSX is a great car, you can't go wrong.:thumbsup:

[biggie_82]

Good write up. I couldn't agree more!

[Team_Mclaren]

good work.

and Asian_Caucasian , how could you only stalled it once:rofl: how many times did you stall my car. Is my car too hard to drive for you...

[Aleks]

I drove an 05 Type S. I would definatelly consider getting one as my next car.

[bspot]

Originally posted by mdeleon
^^^ you're opinion, but IMO i dont think the cobalt could out handle a type-s...but hey, i've never driven one so i wouldn't know

Going by the numbers posted, the Cobalt SS has all of those beat, not by much, and for $10K less.

I give the nod to the RSX on looks and refinement. Plus my car has a way higher chance of falling apart in 2 years. God I hope this is the beggining of a new era for GM though.. I'll find out I guess.

EDIT: I paid $10K less. Sticker is 8K less.

[JCX]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
An Unbiased Review By Skyline_Addict. :)


Decent review, but I disagree with the unbiased part. I'll probably get shit on for this but oh well. An unbiased review would explore some of the negative aspects of the car. You spent the entire review telling us how good it is and how much you love it but you made no mention of price until much later in the thread. For $34,000+ it should have best in class interior. Heck, it should have best in class everything.

I don't dount it's a great car, but I question whether it's a great value. I also challenge it's billing as a sports car. Most (all?) sports cars would wipe the floor with the RSX-S. It's a gussied up sport compact with some balls, and will keep value better than average.

Again, I think it's a good car and I like them, but IMO it's not a great value.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by JCX


Decent review, but I disagree with the unbiased part. I'll probably get shit on for this but oh well. An unbiased review would explore some of the negative aspects of the car. You spent the entire review telling us how good it is and how much you love it but you made no mention of price until much later in the thread. For $34,000+ it should have best in class interior. Heck, it should have best in class everything.

I don't dount it's a great car, but I question whether it's a great value. I also challenge it's billing as a sports car. Most (all?) sports cars would wipe the floor with the RSX-S. It's a gussied up sport compact with some balls, and will keep value better than average.

Again, I think it's a good car and I like them, but IMO it's not a great value.

I agree a bit as $34000+ is a lot for a car that is really a dollied up Civic. The styling is far too dull also and when the new civic comes out with just as much power, who is going to buy even a late model RSX typeS used? It is a very solid car though as it really ins't bad in any category but for the money there are better performance buys for sure. Honda has to start getting more aggresive with their powetrains to keep up to the competition. They either have to go with a forced induction 4-cyl or a potent 6-cyl with the next car as they have pretty well tapped out what they can do with an N/A 4-cyl.

[Sorath]

if ur gonna buy an rsx, dont settle for a base/premium... i chose the wrong one.. the type s is definately a good buy.. its a good fast car with alot of nice options.... however if u do decide to go stupid fast with this car... be prepared to pay tons of money.

[AsianCaucasian]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
good work.

and Asian_Caucasian , how could you only stalled it once:rofl: how many times did you stall my car. Is my car too hard to drive for you...

Yes :D Must be something do with the lack of um... everything.
ie: interior panels, bushing in the gearbox, sway bar???

[lam-boy]

Originally posted by AsianCaucasian


Yes :D Must be something do with the lack of um... everything.
ie: interior panels, bushing in the gearbox, sway bar???

haha yeah, vinces car is a piece. i drove it once, no bushings and shit. haha jk vince.

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by JCX


Decent review, but I disagree with the unbiased part. I'll probably get shit on for this but oh well. An unbiased review would explore some of the negative aspects of the car. You spent the entire review telling us how good it is and how much you love it but you made no mention of price until much later in the thread. For $34,000+ it should have best in class interior. Heck, it should have best in class everything.

I don't dount it's a great car, but I question whether it's a great value. I also challenge it's billing as a sports car. Most (all?) sports cars would wipe the floor with the RSX-S. It's a gussied up sport compact with some balls, and will keep value better than average.

Again, I think it's a good car and I like them, but IMO it's not a great value.

I agree that if I were to write a true review it would have to list the negative aspects. It's not that I don't believe that there are negative things about the cars I tested, but I put my reviews out to get people interested in the car and know what's good about it so that they can go out and do their own hands on research and conjur up their own opinion of the car. Therefore, I don't think it's necessary for me to talk about the bad parts, BUT I will definetely try to look into that in the next review as I get more feedback and more experience - the thing is that most people won't get interested in something that doesn't sound interesting. if i write a bunch of negative things, they might not be interested in conducting their own investigation and will take my word for face value, which is what i don't want. Thanks for your comment. I felt that I should've put it in, but everyone kept agreeing with my reviews until now ;)

[Aleks]

Have you driven one? I used to think that I'd rather buy an SRT-4 until I drove both. It is a matter of personal preference I suppose. I would love to get a new S for 28 Grand but that's not gonna happen. In the states they sell for 22-24K out the door. It sucks that we get screwed over up here.


Originally posted by JCX


Decent review, but I disagree with the unbiased part. I'll probably get shit on for this but oh well. An unbiased review would explore some of the negative aspects of the car. You spent the entire review telling us how good it is and how much you love it but you made no mention of price until much later in the thread. For $34,000+ it should have best in class interior. Heck, it should have best in class everything.

I don't dount it's a great car, but I question whether it's a great value. I also challenge it's billing as a sports car. Most (all?) sports cars would wipe the floor with the RSX-S. It's a gussied up sport compact with some balls, and will keep value better than average.

Again, I think it's a good car and I like them, but IMO it's not a great value.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by lam-boy


haha yeah, vinces car is a piece. i drove it once, no bushings and shit. haha jk vince.

lol, weight reduction ;)

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by Skyline_Addict
if i write a bunch of negative things, they might not be interested in conducting their own investigation and will take my word for face value, which is what i don't want.

On the contrary, the negative aspects would be just as interesting as the positive ones.

Either way, a prospective buyer will be reading many opinions and reviews on the car.