Michael Jackson Verdict *NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS*

[rage2]

In 15 mins. MJ just left Neverland.

mms://eyenet.wm.llnwd.net/eyenet_livenews1

You can see him driving to court ;). It's the raw camera feeds that TV stations use (except low bitrate), pretty neat!

[Weapon_R]

Not guilty of sexual molestation, guilty of misdemeanor for giving alcohol to a minor.

[sputnik]

My prediction.

Not guilty but not aquitted either.

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/MichaelJacksonTrial/images2/koterba.gif

[rage2]

There's a strong indication of not guilty on all counts.

[sputnik]

Triumph the insult comic dog visits MJ supporters.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/31636/

:rofl: :rofl:

[Aleks]

HAHA, we'll see I guess. He is so weird, do you guys think he is actually getting away with this stuff? Or is he just naive and thinks having young boys in his bed is ok.

[~Jody Nicole~]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
Not guilty of sexual molestation, guilty of misdemeanor for giving alcohol to a minor.


:werd:

[Def_3]

Originally posted by ~Jody Nicole~



:werd: x2

[CRX-R]

I hope he's guilty, I'm sure it'll go the other way.. But this guy is just too crepy. Let's put him in jail for awhile. All of these kids can't be lying

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by Aleks
HAHA, we'll see I guess. He is so weird, do you guys think he is actually getting away with this stuff? Or is he just naive and thinks having young boys in his bed is ok.

Despite the fact that he's a fucking weirdo, you can't convict him because weirdness does not equate to criminal. He has to actually commit a crime to be prosecuted. I think he's truly a naive man, someone who can't face reality and has no real guage of how life works yet. He was inducted into fame at such a young age and continues to make millions each year, so he has never truly learned the real facts of life.

I really think he's going to get out of this one. His lawyers ripped apart the accuser, his mom, and all of the witnesses that came to testify on behalf of the prosecution (DA). All it takes is for ONE juror to have reasonable doubt as to the charges, and its over.

[Def_3]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Despite the fact that he's a fucking weirdo, you can't convict him because of that. He has to actually commit a crime to be prosecuted. I think he's truly a naive man, someone who can't face reality and has no real guage of how life works yet. He was inducted into fame at such a young age and continues to make millions each year, so he has never truly learned the real facts of life.

I really think he's going to get out of this one. His lawyers ripped apart the accuser, his mom, and all of the witnesses that came to testify on behalf of the prosecutor. All it takes is for ONE juror to have reasonable doubt as to the charges, and its over.

agree 100%, he is a whacko, however I cant believe he is a molestor, I think he honestly believes hes peter pan:rofl:

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Despite the fact that he's a fucking weirdo, you can't convict him because weirdness does not equate to criminal. He has to actually commit a crime to be prosecuted. I think he's truly a naive man, someone who can't face reality and has no real guage of how life works yet. He was inducted into fame at such a young age and continues to make millions each year, so he has never truly learned the real facts of life.

I really think he's going to get out of this one. His lawyers ripped apart the accuser, his mom, and all of the witnesses that came to testify on behalf of the prosecutor. All it takes is for ONE juror to have reasonable doubt as to the charges, and its over.

All that money sure can buy some good lawyers.. :rolleyes: Doesn't mean he's innocent in my opinion.. Just means his $1000/hour lawyers did what they were supposed to do.... a better job than the $30,000/year prosecutors..

[Aleks]

Could you imagine him in Jail? :rofl:

[Phy]

^So have all the OJ jokes been made by now? I haven't been following this shit.

[CRX-R]

They'd probably make a reality TV show out of it... now that would be some funny shit :D

[ca2p3r]

Not guilty of sexual molestation, guilty of misdemeanor for giving alcohol to a minor.

:werd:

keep us updated!

[2000_SI]

Originally posted by Def_3


agree 100%, he is a whacko, however I cant believe he is a molestor, I think he honestly believes hes peter pan:rofl:
:werd:

Do I think he is guilty of being a creep and wacko: Yes
Do I think he molested those kinds: No

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by CRX-R


All that money sure can buy some good lawyers.. :rolleyes: Doesn't mean he's innocent in my opinion.. Just means his $1000/hour lawyers did what they were supposed to do.... a better job than the $30,000/year prosecutors..

I've never denied the fact that rich people almost always are more equal under the law than poor people, but to credit his innocence on the legal team alone is seeking the easy way out. MJs legal team was damn impressive, probably comparable to OJ Simpson's 'dream team', yet they never really made anything up. Despite the quality of MJ's lawyers, the common denominator still remains; the accuser and his mother had a consistent past of false litigation for monetary purposes, former staff members that admitted under oath of alterior motivation for being on the stand, and other questionable pieces of evidence.

Either way, we'll know in a few minutes :)

[rage2]

Originally posted by CRX-R
All that money sure can buy some good lawyers.. :rolleyes: Doesn't mean he's innocent in my opinion.. Just means his $1000/hour lawyers did what they were supposed to do.... a better job than the $30,000/year prosecutors..
The prosecutors get a hell of a lot more than $30k/year lol.

Seriously, if you've been following the case, and think he's guilty, you're on crack.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


His lawyers ripped apart the accuser, his mom, and all of the witnesses that came to testify on behalf of the prosecution (DA).

Hahaha, for a second there, I thought you were saying that MJ's mom testified against him.. ooops!


Anyway, I really don't see him being guilty. Sure, he's Whacko Jacko, but I think he's just out of touch from what's considered acceptable in the real world. He's always isolated at Neverland, and I don't think he ever quite got the whole "cultural norms" thing figured out. I think he should be forced to get a life, but not get thrown in jail.

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by rage2

The prosecutors get a hell of a lot more than $30k/year lol.

Seriously, if you've been following the case, and think he's guilty, you're on crack.

Sad, but true, prosecutors only make an average income here in Canada. I imagine its the same in the U.S. We do have a special prosecution department in Alberta, that places the best of the government's arsenal in Edmonton for special cases, and they are paid well, but not nearly as much as your average defence lawyer.

[rage2]

MJ's still on the freeway. Probably another 20 mins before we get the verdict.

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Sad, but true, prosecutors only make an average income here in Canada. I imagine its the same in the U.S. We do have a special prosecution department in Alberta, that places the best of the government's arsenal in Edmonton for special cases, and they are paid well, but not nearly as much as your average defence lawyer.

That's all I was getting at Rage, I'm sure it's more than 30,000, but not by much. Anyway, It's just been too many times now that someone has accused this freak of something similar to this! Maybe he's not guilty THIS time, but what about next time? or last year? or three years ago?

[Aleks]

Originally posted by rage2

The prosecutors get a hell of a lot more than $30k/year lol.

Seriously, if you've been following the case, and think he's guilty, you're on crack.

I haven't followed the case until today, but I think he at least needs some councelling or something. HE can't keep going on trial for stuff like this. Just leave the kids alone!

[duffspec]

I don't think he will be going to jail, when the last time a "star" went to jail for a long amount of time? If OJ and that Blake fella didn't go to jail for murder Mr. Wacko is not going to either. :thumbsdow

[CRX-R]

Jacko has arrived, looks pretty worried

[Weapon_R]

5-9 years of relevant
experience

Quebec: 61,399
Manitoba:69,837
Alta: 80,516
BC: 72,532

CRX-R got me wondering, so here's the avg. incomes for 5-9 yrs of experience. Not great, not bad either. Remember, these are salary positions, not commission like regular defence lawyers, so these do not fluctuate.

[CRX-R]

wow, I was way off... my bad:(

[CRX-R]

but it's still not the 1/2 million that high price defence lawyers... like jacko's get

[2000_SI]

Originally posted by CRX-R
Jacko has arrived, looks pretty worried
as opposed to what? looking normal?

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by CRX-R
wow, I was way off... my bad:(

Those are cdn dollars though, so i'd estimate 40-50k US. Not really far off your estimate, but come on, 30k for 9+ years of post secondary :D

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by 2000_SI

as opposed to what? looking normal?


not for many years :D

[~Jody Nicole~]

Originally posted by 2000_SI

as opposed to what? looking normal?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No kidding!

[Khalil]

Dun Dun Dun... *suspense mounts*

Who can tell I'm bored at work? :D

[Def_3]

any news yet? sitting at the office wondering...

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Those are cdn dollars though, so i'd estimate 40-50k US. Not really far off your estimate, but come on, 30k for 9+ years of post secondary :D

lol, sounds like a wise investment to me :rofl:

not to mention that the 'better' attorneys are mostly in private practice ie; defence. Sure there are a few that believe in putting criminals in jail and all that, but for most people it's all about the money.. so the government gets the lower end on it's pay roll

[SuPhistiKatEd]

He's at the courthouse now...just waiting for the verdict.

[Weapon_R]

Two minutes ...

[2000_SI]

haha, everyone in my office has the live feed on thier comp..... how can you tell the boss is away for the day?
:rofl:

[rage2]

If you guys think that the state of California would get $30k a year lawyers to do cases like this, you're seriously out of touch with reality. For the average thugs, yes, but for the big time cases, these are long time lawyers that are at the top of their profession.

Here's a biography of Tom Sneddon, the head prosecutor in the case.

http://www.ndaa-apri.org/ndaa/profile/tom_sneddon_jan_feb_2003.html

A guy that manages 247 employees (50 attorneys) makes a hell of a lot more than $30k/year.

[CRX-R]

right, but those high priced salaries on the prosecution side are few and FAR between

[YCB]

Originally posted by sputnik
Triumph the insult comic dog visits MJ supporters.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/31636/

:rofl: :rofl:

:werd: :rofl: :rofl:

[googe]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Those are cdn dollars though, so i'd estimate 40-50k US. Not really far off your estimate, but come on, 30k for 9+ years of post secondary :D

you cant do a canada -> us conversion like that with any profession though. in most cases, the salary number will be higher in the usa without even taking exchange rate into consideration. after you do that itll be even more.

also most places in california, a given job will get paid twice as much as anywhere else in the states.

[rage2]

The point is, regardless of salary, the prosecutors are not newbies.

Originally posted by CRX-R
All that money sure can buy some good lawyers.. :rolleyes: Doesn't mean he's innocent in my opinion.. Just means his $1000/hour lawyers did what they were supposed to do.... a better job than the $30,000/year prosecutors..

[CRX-R]

no, not newbies, but definately not the cream of the crop. I've met mechanics that've been doing it for 30+ years and I wouldn't let them touch my car they're still so incompetent

[Khalil]

bets anyone?

winnings to be collected at the next beyond meet :D

[CRX-R]

This is taking so long... c'mon just tell us:eek:

[finboy]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
Not guilty of sexual molestation, guilty of misdemeanor for giving alcohol to a minor.

:werd:

[Weapon_R]

NOT GUILTY

[sputnik]

not guilty... 4 counts so far

[rage2]

here we go...

[2000_SI]

Originally posted by Khalil
bets anyone?

winnings to be collected at the next beyond meet :D

It would be dumb to bet on this now, everyone knows he's not guilty

[Proyecto2000]

he goes free

[JiggaMan]

NOT GUILTY!! HOLAAAAA!!!!

MAKE SOME MORE MUSIC WOO WOOOO!!!! :thumbsup:

[Proyecto2000]

btw thx for the link Rage

[rage2]

count 1 - conspiracy - not guilty
count 2 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 3 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 4 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 5 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 6 - attempt to commit lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 7 - adminstering intoxicating agent - not guilty
count 8 - adminstering intoxicating agent - not guilty
count 9 - adminstering intoxicating agent - not guilty
count 10 - adminstering intoxicating agent - not guilty

[Weapon_R]

Not guilty on all counts!!!!!!!!! I'm so pumped right now. Justice has been served! I was wrong though, not even a misdemeanor :D:D:D

[sputnik]

not guilty... on ALL counts

[CRX-R]

1. Not Guilty of conspiracy
2. Not Guilty of Lewd act upon a child
3. Not Guilty of Lewd act upon a child
4. Not Guilty of Lewd act upon a child
5. Not Guilty of Lewd act upon a child
6. Not Guilty of Attempt to commit a Lewd act up on a child
7. Not Guilty of Administering intoxicating agent
8. Not Guilty of Administering intoxicating agent
9. Not Guilty of Administering intoxicating agent
10. Not Guilty of Administering intoxicating agent

[Def_3]

Originally posted by rage2
count 1 - conspiracy - not guilty
count 2 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 3 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 4 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 5 - lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 6 - attempt to commit lewd act upon child - not guilty
count 7 - adminstering intoxicating agent - not guilty
count 8 - adminstering intoxicating agent - not guilty
count 9 - adminstering intoxicating agent - not guilty

:clap: good for him, now he needs some professional help

[rage2]

Told ya so. So obvious if you followed the case.

[sexualbanana]

Count 1: Conspiracy to abduct, and imprisonment - Not Guilty
Count 2: Lewd act upon a child - Not guilty
Count 3: Lewd act upon a child - Not guilty
Count 4: Lewd act upon a child - Not guilty
Count 5: Lewd act upon a child - Not guilty
Count 6: Attempt to commit a lewd act - Not guilty
Count 7: Administering intoxicating agent to assit in a felony - Not guilty
Count 8: Providing alcoholic beverage to a minor: Not guilty
Count 9: Administering intoxicating agent to assit in a felony - Not guilty
Count 10: Administering intoxicating agent to assit in a felony - Not guilty

Shit that took awhile

[mac_82]

wow didnt see that coming, but i havent been paying attention to the case at all.

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by Def_3


:clap: good for him, now he needs some professional help

Absolutely he does

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by rage2
Told ya so. So obvious if you followed the case.

I told ya so, I told ya so... :rofl: You just had to say it :D I guess I should've followed the case ;)

[rage2]

Poor Tom Sneddon. MJ's gonna write another song about him lol.

[~Jody Nicole~]

What a joke!
But i'm not suprised.
:bullshit:
:thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by rage2
Poor Tom Sneddon. MJ's gonna write another song about him lol.

There's a song about him?

[mac_82]

they are saying there will be a civil law suit now?

[rmk]

Holy Shite!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek:

[s dime]

I just read Rage's link about Tom Sneddon. ( The prosecutor in the MJ case.) I found it funny that MJ wrote an "angry song" about him.:nut:

* post was a little late, my bad*

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by mac_82
they are saying there will be a civil law suit now?

That was the intention all along on the money hungry mother's behalf :rolleyes:

Too bad though, with this verdict, even a freshman in law school could crush her efforts to win a civil suit.

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by mac_82
they are saying there will be a civil law suit now?

There's a good possibility. Just like the OJ trial, he was acquitted of the murder, but his wife's family sued him for Wrongful Death and won or settled out of court, I forget.

I'm not familiar with American law, but I would assume the suit would be something like pain, suffering, and humiliation during the trial.

[rage2]

Originally posted by CRX-R
There's a song about him?
yea, Tom Sneddon was the dude that tried to get him the first time when he settled out of court to keep the story out of the news. He's been looking for a reason to go after MJ ever since then, even with such a weak ass case.

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by rage2

yea, Tom Sneddon was the dude that tried to get him the first time when he settled out of court to keep the story out of the news. He's been looking for a reason to go after MJ ever since then, even with such a weak ass case.

Well atleast he's persistent :D Or maybe he likes the spotlight a little

[Weapon_R]

What's this song called?

[Kobe]

wow so many people down there right now...

MJ is a lucky mofo...

He looks in shock right now..

[kanip]

man thats all crazy... i can't beleive how many people are actually out there celebrating for him though... i didn't really realize that many people cared so much about the whole ordeal... its kinda sick actually.

[heavyD]

In my books MJ is still guilty of being a pathetic mess of a human being.:thumbsdow

[sputnik]

Originally posted by heavyD
In my books MJ is still guilty of being a pathetic mess of a human being.:thumbsdow

Joe Jackson is the real guilty one. Exploiting his children for his own gain and forgetting to raise them into respectable humans.

[rage2]

Originally posted by heavyD
In my books MJ is still guilty of being a pathetic mess of a human being.:thumbsdow
haha, something I agree with ;). He really needs to clean himself up and stop getting himself in these crazy situations.

[CRX-R]

Originally posted by heavyD
In my books MJ is still guilty of being a pathetic mess of a human being.:thumbsdow

I think that's just a given, there was never any doubt :D

[rage2]

Originally posted by Weapon_R
What's this song called?
DS.

[theken]

i figured he was innocent im glad hes the man

[Primer_Drift]

WOW I mean like WOW.. I did NOT see that one coming.. A rich influential celebrity is found not guilty.. what is this world coming to. :rolleyes:

Facts in this trial aside what do you think the outcome would have been, if evidence had been remotely damning to his defense? My guess would be a similar if not identical verdict to this. Anyone with half a brain knew he be found innocent, it was just entertaining to watch him sweat..

I find it interesting though, that cases like this and the Laci Peterson murder trial get so much more publicity during their stint than news that actually affects the world at large.
Seems like 85% coverage of MJ's trail, 12% weather and sports 3% Iraq-Afganistan-Africa-terror etc.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift
Facts in this trial aside what do you think the outcome would have been, if evidence had been remotely damning to his defense? My guess would be a similar if not identical verdict to this. Anyone with half a brain knew he be found innocent, it was just entertaining to watch him sweat..
That's the thing, there was no evidence that was strong at all because *gasp* it never happened! It was a horrible case that should've never went to court. It was obvious BEFORE the case that the mother was after $$$ and that the alleged offenses never happened.

[YCB]

the jury found him not guilty.. what do u guys think?

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift

Facts in this trial aside what do you think the outcome would have been, if evidence had been remotely damning to his defense? My guess would be a similar if not identical verdict to this. Anyone with half a brain knew he be found innocent, it was just entertaining to watch him sweat..


What if? lol. That's the whole point. If something never happened, if the DA could not show a single SHROUD of evidence that pointed to MJs guilt, who cares how it would have been if this happened or that happened etc.

[Kirbs17]

wow... not guilty and aqquited of all accounts

[Phy]

So can we get back to bitching about the war in Iraq now?

[Primer_Drift]

Originally posted by Weapon_R


What if? lol. That's the whole point. If something never happened, if the DA could not show a single SHROUD of evidence that pointed to MJs guilt, who cares how it would have been if this happened or that happened etc.


Heh thats not my point though, obviously it didnt happen. Had it really happened who's to say the verdict would have changed?
I can't remember the last big scandal involving a celebrity that ended in a guilty verdict.. :dunno:

Glad he got acquitted, maybe law enforcement and the DA will stop harassing the guy.

[2000_SI]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift



Heh thats not my point though, obviously it didnt happen. Had it really happened who's to say the verdict would have changed?
I can't remember the last big scandal involving a celebrity that ended in a guilty verdict.. :dunno:

Glad he got acquitted though, maybe law enforcement and the DA will stop harassing the guy.
Martha Stewart.....

[Super_Geo]

What kind of a parent would send their kids off to MJ, regardless of whether or not he is/was found innocent in this/past trials? I'm not saying he's guilty (I think he's innocent), but come on... would you really take the chance?

My view is that if you're a money grubbing bitch like the parents in these cases and send your kid off to sleep over at a suspected child molester's house, your kids deserve to get molested, the celeb deserves to get off on all counts, and you deserve to get $0.00 for it. The things that these low-lives will do for money... whoring out their kids in the hope that something bad happens to them so that they can sue :rolleyes:

[Super_Geo]

Originally posted by sexualbanana

I'm not familiar with American law, but I would assume the suit would be something like pain, suffering, and humiliation during the trial.

The pain and suffering caused by the trial that they started? I don't think MJ decided to prosecute himself.

[Primer_Drift]

Originally posted by 2000_SI
Martha Stewart.....
LOL oops umm nevermind...

GO MJ !!:rofl:

[googe]

Originally posted by Super_Geo
your kids deserve to get molested

stop talking. what a dumb thing to say.

[Super_Geo]

^ haha, meant to say "you deserve to have your kids get molested," not the kids deserving it themselves of course. Didn't really think that through.

[rage2]

Originally posted by sexualbanana
There's a good possibility. Just like the OJ trial, he was acquitted of the murder, but his wife's family sued him for Wrongful Death and won or settled out of court, I forget.

I'm not familiar with American law, but I would assume the suit would be something like pain, suffering, and humiliation during the trial.
They'd sued for the same thing. Same evidence (or lack of) would come out. MJ would be forced to testify. It's bizarre.

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by Primer_Drift



Heh thats not my point though, obviously it didnt happen. Had it really happened who's to say the verdict would have changed?


Who's to say it would stay the same? What if's are a waste of time.

Legal fees and celebritism aside, this person was acquitted. Plain and simple.

[eb0i]

"smooth criminal"

haha joking aside, the DA had a poor case and did a very poor job in trying to potray MJ as guilty. I can't believe they didn't even get 1 count out of 10, that's just poor prosecuting. However after reading all the articles on this trial and watching the news, you really (like someone mentioned before) have to be on crack to think that MJ was guilty.