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[CVPP]

I got a few questions. Basically I have been putting money away to get a project car I would liek to play around with a rice rocket. But I am trying to find car that would be able to have alot of ENGINE mods done to it. However, I don't wanna get a car that is going to need more money put into than I could ever get back from the car. I just am trying to sorta get in the Rice scene and I don't know much about the cars I can do all engine mods and shit but I need help with actual car styles and what engines fit in which and when the styles changed...what would be some good sites to start out with looking at.

[Glowrider]

Ok. First thing you need to do is stop referring to modified Japanese cars as "rice". The term originated from the serious tuners of Honda's and such, to describe the stupid kids that put huge wings, neon lights, and graphics all over their cars. The term "rice", still holds a derogatory meaning within the import community today. It's not a good thing to have a "riced out" car.

Next thing is, what do you want out of this car? Drag racer? Freeway? Autocross? Turbo, N/A?

You've got to ask yourself all of these questions. Figure out what you want, and then when you know what it is you want out of a car, then you can decide which car would be best for your application.

Keep in mind that imports aren't "bang for your buck" cars. Small displacement, n/a engines don't yield tons of power from bolt ons. Don't expect to be running 13's in a Civic with intake, header, and exhaust...it's not going to happen.

[rage2]

Originally posted by CVPP
I don't wanna get a car that is going to need more money put into than I could ever get back from the car.

Spend your money on a fast car instead then, first rule of modifying cars : you'll never get any of the money back.

[350hp_or_Bust]

Originally posted by rage2


Spend your money on a fast car instead then, first rule of modifying cars : you'll never get any of the money back.
:werd: ... if you invest money in a car .. you'll be lucky to get half that money back when you sell ... more likely, you wont get any of that money out, but instead it'll just sell faster. definietly NOT an appreciating investment!

As for project cars of choice ... I'd tell you, but I'm looking for one right now so I don't want you scooping it up from under my nose! ha ha

[KoRnJD]

Originally posted by rage2
...first rule of modifying cars : you'll never get any of the money back.

So true.

I don't know how much money you want to spend, buy my bet would be on a Civic Hatch with a B18(C?).

My. 02

[GTS Jeff]

sounds like u need an mk4 supra

[mrmattyk]

Gen2 Integra. A 94 Integra will be about 10-12, just turbo the LS engine and you could spank a lot of cars. Lots of atermarket parts giving you a wide choice of looks, styles and performance.

Good fast reliable car for under 20k after mods..

[buh_buh]

If your looking to make a lot of power with minimal money, your best bet is to STEER CLEAR OF HONDAS. Mods cost a lot, and gains are minimal.

I'd go with something that's stock turbocharged (SR20DET would be a very good choice). Just something to think about.

[mrmattyk]

Originally posted by buh_buh
a lot of power with minimal money

That's true with ANY make of car. You can't put in a magical chip for 100 dollars and gain 900 whp. Any car if you want it to go fast, you will pay through the roof. I think rage2 has a point, buy a fast car because the amount you put into a lesser car to make it equal to an originally faster car will be equal or greater than just buying a fast car in the first place.

[buh_buh]

Originally posted by mrmattyk
Any car if you want it to go fast, you will pay through the roof.
not necesserily. It totally depends on what kind of a car you have. Typically domestics can make pretty big power without heavily modding it. If your spending the same amount on a Civic vs. a Mustang, the Mustang will yield MUCH more power gains compared to a Civic. That's why I say if your looking to make a lot of power with the least amount of money possible, try steering clear of Hondas.


Originally posted by mrmattyk
That's true with ANY make of car. You can't put in a magical chip for 100 dollars and gain 900 whp.
I'm well aware of that. I didn't say spend NO money and get mods, I said spend MINIMAL. Meaning spend the least amount as possible while getting all the power you can out of that money. Maybe you should read more carefully before you post.

[Toms-Celica]

mrmattyk: Whats the kids name in your sig?

[mrmattyk]

Originally posted by buh_buh

I said spend MINIMAL. Meaning spend the least amount as possible while getting all the power you can out of that money. Maybe you should read more carefully before you post.

True enough. The point I was trying to make is, modding is quite expensive even for the basics (cost of mod, install, in some cases maintenance). It's probably better to just buy a fast car in the first place.

The guy in my sig by the way is someone who played computer games for 11 hours, and 54 minutes without food, water or generally getting up. I think he calls himself 'Dyez'.

[XylathaneGTR]

Well, obviously the faster a car is, the more expensive it is... Look at rage's AMG for an example...Hella fast car...and a painful price tag to go with it. Your average person wanting to build a project car cant afford that.
Like, if i had enough money, i would DEFINITLY, not get an RSX-S or an MR2 Turbo or a 240 w/ SR20 conversion... and i would rather get a car such as a Mk4 Supra, AMG of any kind, M3, etc.
But the average person cant afford that, and most people dont wanna go that far in debt to get one...

Which is what makes somewhat performance cars (Honda's etc) an easy choice for many people.

[boi-alien]

Originally posted by XylathaneGTR
Which is what makes somewhat performance cars (Honda's etc) an easy choice for many people.
hate to break it to you bud, but most hondas aren't performance cars...

i agree with buh buh, if you're looking to put as little of a dent in your wallet as possible with mods, i would definitely steer clear of hondas. they're definitely not the way to go as far as being able to save money.

[jdmakkord]

:werd:

[buh_buh]

Originally posted by mrmattyk


True enough. The point I was trying to make is, modding is quite expensive even for the basics (cost of mod, install, in some cases maintenance). It's probably better to just buy a fast car in the first place.
No, its not.
Think about it. An AMG SLK32 runs about mid-high 13's in the 1/4 mile. And according to the MB website, an AMG SLK starts from around 56k USD, which is equivilent to almost 90k Canadian.
for $90k Canadian you could build a MUCH MUCH MUCH faster car than an AMG (not that I would choose to do that). And for a lot of people, they can't afford a "fast" car to begin with, so they have to mod with what they have.
I say if your looking to build a car strictly for speed, and you want it to be "rice", I say start with an old 240 and throw in a SR20det.

[2000impreza]

if i had $90k.... i would take the slk amg over any "project" car.... hahaha. but thats just me.

[CVPP]

Well I think I have found my project car...I was leaning towards imports but I think I am going to have to stick with domestic. I found someone with an dodge charger r/t (boasts the hemi) however, it needs alot of body work and interior so I think that is what I am going to be going with. However, I am also thinking about doing a pontiac fiero 350 switch? Anyone do any of these and know how hard it is the first time you do it?

[KoRnJD]

Originally posted by CVPP
Well I think I have found my project car...I was leaning towards imports but I think I am going to have to stick with domestic. I found someone with an dodge charger r/t (boasts the hemi) however, it needs alot of body work and interior so I think that is what I am going to be going with. However, I am also thinking about doing a pontiac fiero 350 switch? Anyone do any of these and know how hard it is the first time you do it?

There are a couple of guys in the local Fiero club that have done engine conversions...one 350 and a couple of 3.4L V6s I think...

[max_boost]

Originally posted by 2000impreza
if i had $90k.... i would take the slk amg over any "project" car.... hahaha. but thats just me.

If I had $90K
I would buy a WRX for winter and a S2000 for summer:thumbsup:

You want a quick car? What about those DSMs? Talons, Eclipse, Lasers, Daytonas etc....now they will respond well to mods! Cheap and fast! Not sure about reliability though!:rofl:

[KoRnJD]

Originally posted by max_boost


...What about those DSMs? Talons, Eclipse, Lasers, Daytonas etc....now they will respond well to mods! Cheap and fast!

True...

[rage2]

Originally posted by buh_buh
AMG SLK starts from around 56k USD, which is equivilent to almost 90k Canadian.

Actually, the car starts at $76K cdn. Don't matter to me, my dad bought me my AMG! :rofl:

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rage2


Actually, the car starts at $76K cdn. Don't matter to me, my dad bought me my AMG! :rofl:

What did you tell him?:D

[CRXguy]

Originally posted by rage2


Actually, the car starts at $76K cdn. Don't matter to me, my dad bought me my AMG! :rofl:

All hells gonna break loose!

Run people, run!!!!!:rofl:

[Glowrider]

An MK3 Supra would be good, too. Their very cheap, and have a healthy resevoir of power to dip into.

[buh_buh]

Originally posted by rage2


Actually, the car starts at $76K cdn. Don't matter to me, my dad bought me my AMG! :rofl:
I just took it off the mb website.

[GingeRRRBeef]

yeah, if you want a good project car that makes a decent amount of power already, you'd wanna buy a stock FI engine. Probably wanna go turbo cause I think you'd have a lot more flexibility than you would with a SC. I'd go for the SR20DET if I were you.

Just my 2 cents

[Glowrider]

Like an MK3 Supra, for example. :)

[finboy]

turbo dodge.

[rage2]

Originally posted by max_boost
What did you tell him?:D

"Buy me an AMG!"
"OK!"

hehe j/k, actually the car IS under his name, but it's because we were too lazy (and cheap) to change the names around with financing.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rage2


"Buy me an AMG!"
"OK!"

hehe j/k, actually the car IS under his name, but it's because we were too lazy (and cheap) to change the names around with financing.

My dad said he buy me a house if I can get a PHD....so maybe I can do you one better! :rofl: :rofl:
LOL if I can get a PHD, I be the one buying him a house!:rofl:

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by rage2


"Buy me an AMG!"
"OK!"

hehe j/k, actually the car IS under his name, but it's because we were too lazy (and cheap) to change the names around with financing.

spoiled rich kids i tell ya. . .:rofl: :rofl:

[CVPP]

my dad said that he will buy me a gumball...but then charge me interest on the 25 cents he spent on me. However, he loves cars and he is pretty knowledgable about it so when I get a project he loves it and I am thinking about trying out a ricer I have done other cars but no imports...and they seem like they would be fun.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by CVPP
my dad said that he will buy me a gumball...but then charge me interest on the 25 cents he spent on me. However, he loves cars and he is pretty knowledgable about it so when I get a project he loves it and I am thinking about trying out a ricer I have done other cars but no imports...and they seem like they would be fun. eeek...regarding your use of the word rice:


Originally posted by Glowrider
Ok. First thing you need to do is stop referring to modified Japanese cars as "rice". The term originated from the serious tuners of Honda's and such, to describe the stupid kids that put huge wings, neon lights, and graphics all over their cars. The term "rice", still holds a derogatory meaning within the import community today. It's not a good thing to have a "riced out" car.

anyway, good luck with your project! for info on hondas check out honda-acura.net (go to the tech forums, thats where the smart guys are)

[5.9 R/T]

Originally posted by rage2


Spend your money on a fast car instead then, first rule of modifying cars : you'll never get any of the money back.

Sure you can. You just need to find the right car and be able to do all the work yourself. But if you have to pay someone to do it then you probably won't see that money back again.

[KoRnJD]

Originally posted by 5.9 R/T


Sure you can. You just need to find the right car and be able to do all the work yourself. But if you have to pay someone to do it then you probably won't see that money back again.

I think the problem is this;

If you are selling a modified car, there is the impression that it has been driven hard, thus driving down the value (to a private buyer who doesn't modify). I will concede that there are some exceptions, like some show cars. But even then, I don't think you will finally break even because in those cases, the car usually represents a substantial investment (of more than you could actually ask for the car). Plus, a lot of people will want to modify their own cars, narrowing your selling market.

My .02

[CVPP]

I know people get all offended by using the word ricer or rice but I don't see why.? I mean it is an import from Japan or other countries it is just a term just like "muscle cars"

[dogstar]

mullet cars??

rice is food.

if you want a project and cheap, dont get a mKII supra, get a MKIII supra, or 240sx, or 200sx, or corolla, or any number of rear drive japanese cars.

hell, get a toyota cressida, it shared the non turbo engine with the supras, and ive seen a few scary 300 horse turbo cressidas on japanese sites.
picture a four door family car that looks like what it is, and can run low 13s for a total investment that can be as low as 5000$ canadian.

[T5_X]

uhhhh, how is an sr20det conversion in an s13 cheap???

Cheap IMPORTS? first project? S12, modify the ca18et. AW11, 4AGZE. MKIII supra. 280Z, 1st gen 300zx. FWD turbo eclipse <----- best choice cause probably the cheapest, easiest to work on, and there's a wealth of info out there.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by dogstar
mullet cars??

rice is food.

if you want a project and cheap, dont get a mKII supra, get a MKIII supra, or 240sx, or 200sx, or corolla, or any number of rear drive japanese cars.

hell, get a toyota cressida, it shared the non turbo engine with the supras, and ive seen a few scary 300 horse turbo cressidas on japanese sites.
picture a four door family car that looks like what it is, and can run low 13s for a total investment that can be as low as 5000$ canadian. whoa, wait a minute...owning a corolla is NOT cheap!