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Ben
07-21-2005, 06:20 PM
Game's rating change may signal crackdown

RON HARRIS

Associated Press

POSTED AT 11:35 AM Thursday, July 21

SAN FRANCISCO — The video game industry's decision to give an adults-only rating to the best-selling "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" because of explicit sexual content could signal the start of a crackdown on raunchy games.

The rating change followed intense pressure from politicians and media watch groups. Retailers reacted swiftly - Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Target Corp. and Best Buy Co. said Wednesday they would pull all copies from their store shelves nationwide.

Rockstar Games, the producer of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," said it has stopped making the current version of the game, which includes graphic sex scenes that can be unlocked with an Internet download. The game was released in October with an "M" rating, for players 17 and older.

Sen. Hilary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, applauded the change but said she was disturbed the sexual content appeared on store shelves in the first place. She asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate and called on the Entertainment Software Rating Board to do more to police game content.

"Apparently the sexual material was embedded in the game. The company admitted that," Clinton said. "The fact remains that the company gamed the ratings system."

Rep. Joe Baca, D-Calif., said this week the video game industry needs a good dose of government oversight and renewed a call for a law requiring the FTC to determine if the video game industry's labeling practices are unfair or deceptive.

"Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" was last year's top console game, selling more than 5.1 million copies in the U.S., according to market analyst NPD Group. Xbox and PC versions were released last month.

Rockstar's parent company, New York-based Take Two Interactive Software Inc., acknowledged for the first time that the sex scenes were built into the retail version of the game. Company officials previously suggested that a modification created by outsiders added the scenes.

"The editing and finalization of any game is a complicated task and it's not uncommon for unused and unfinished content to remain on the disc," Take-Two spokesman Jim Ankner told The Associated Press.

In a statement, ESRB chief Patricia Vance said the sex scenes were programmed by Rockstar "to be inaccessible to the player." But she also acknowledged that the "credibility and utility" of the industry-run board's initial "M" rating had been "seriously undermined."

Rockstar said it would provide new labels to any retailer willing to keep selling the games and offer a downloadable patch to fix the sexual content in PC versions. The company also is working on a new, more secure version, to be rated "M," for mature.

A computer program known as Hot Coffee allows users to unlock the sex scenes. Such modifications - or "mods" - are wildly popular among the hardcore gaming community, and have been shown to extend the retail longevity of games. "Half-Life," for example, is still sold years after its release because of a Counter-Strike mod that allows for detailed counter-terrorist shoot'em-up action.

Take-Two president Paul Eibeler said "the decision to re-rate a game based on an unauthorized third party modification presents a new challenge for parents, the interactive entertainment industry and anyone who distributes or consumes digital content."

The Parents Television Council, one of several media watchdogs that have criticized Rockstar and the ESRB, called on the game publisher to recall the game and offer refunds.

"I tip my cap to that first step of showing responsibility," said Tim Winter, the council's executive director. "Phase two needs to be absolutely getting to the bottom of this coding issue. How did it get into that game? How did it get past the ratings board?"

Take-Two said net sales could drop by more than $50 million (U.S.) this quarter, and lowered its financial expectations for the year to set aside funds for returns of the games.

Talies R
07-21-2005, 08:28 PM
Anyone have any screen shots of Hot Coffee?

iceburns288
07-21-2005, 09:07 PM
Why don't ya ask Leo;)

natejj
07-21-2005, 11:13 PM
These politcians have way too much frigging time on their hands. Why dont they worry about kids going into R rated movies while they are at it? isnt that just as bad? Frick.

Primer_Drift
07-21-2005, 11:28 PM
Absolute Bullshit.

You know there is something wrong with society when:

In a video game that entails murdering people with various forms of weaponry, stealing vehicles, and performing numerous acts of violence as objectives..

The only issue being attacked, is polygon sex. :rolleyes:

Its seriously fucked when showing violence in a game is acceptable but sex is not.

Maybe Hillary is just angry about sex, period. We all know she isn't getting any (and for good reason), so perhaps its just misdirected jealousy. I'd bet money Bill wouldn't mind that part of the game one bit :poosie:

Xtrema
07-21-2005, 11:41 PM
The problems is, it'll discourage companies to support the mod community.

So Rockstar may as well unlock the sex scenes and let the stores to choose which version they want to carry.

BerserkerCatSplat
07-21-2005, 11:54 PM
Oh, c'mon, we've had sexually explicit games available to minors since the Atari.

Does anyone remember Custer's Revenge? It was an old Atari cart, where you ran your pixelated General Custer guy from one end of the screen to the other, dodging arrows raining from the sky. If you dodged all the arrows, your pixelated character engaged in the furious rape of an exqually pixelated Native girl tied to a cactus.

http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/custer.gif

Hot stuff!

Godfuader
07-22-2005, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by Xtrema

So Rockstar may as well unlock the sex scenes and let the stores to choose which version they want to carry.

US companies will pull the existing copies and wait for rockstar to to publish revised copies. Canadian companies will continue to sell copies till they run out and then get the revised version.

Khyron
07-22-2005, 12:14 AM
I bought the game and have unlocked it, but am playing real plot mode so haven't gotten there yet. However, I did pick up a hooker and drive to a secluded spot, I shot hundreds of gangsters, anyone that cut me off got a bullet to the head... Even went on a rampage with the nice chainsaw and was slaughtering people in front of a cop.

Yet they show someone giving head and it's X rated. Amazing... BB and Walmart pull it like it wasn't bad before... :nut:

Khyron

GingeRRRBeef
07-22-2005, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema
The problems is, it'll discourage companies to support the mod community.


The thing is the hot coffee "mod" really has nothing to do with the mod community. It was extremely retarded that Rockstar made a press release stating that the hot coffee scenes were a result of the modification and reverse engineering of the game's source code. They straight lied through their teeth and lost total credibility.

TheBenzo
07-22-2005, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by BerserkerCatSpl
Oh, c'mon, we've had sexually explicit games available to minors since the Atari.

Does anyone remember Custer's Revenge? It was an old Atari cart, where you ran your pixelated General Custer guy from one end of the screen to the other, dodging arrows raining from the sky. If you dodged all the arrows, your pixelated character engaged in the furious rape of an exqually pixelated Native girl tied to a cactus.

http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/custer.gif

Hot stuff! LOL RAWFULL!

frostyda9
07-26-2005, 10:11 PM
Along with Tipper Gore, Hilary Clinton is a stupid bitch that needs a good smack across the face to wake the fuck up and look at the world we are living in :thumbsup:

On anothe note, anyone have a copy of the game to sell? :D

edit: and for those who take everything literally, the smack across the face comment was figurative. I don't condone abuse, ever.

tapout
07-27-2005, 05:40 AM
:thumbsdow :bullshit: