5.0 VS 350z

[Z24_3.1]

ok this is to prove my buddy wrong what is faster the 93 mustang 5.0L or a 350z they are both stock what u guys think will win i think the 5.0L

[jdmakkord]

A bone stock 350z will walk on a bone stock 93 mustang. With mods, a whole 'nother story.

[oddjob]

350s aren't slow. They have like 240 rwhp.

[Toms-SC]

Hate to say it but a STOCK 5.0 would fall in this case.

[mac_82]

350z

[Z24_3.1]

but isnt the 5.0L have 302 hp?

[jdmakkord]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1
but isnt the 5.0L have 302 hp?

No, it has 302 cubic inches in displacement, puts out @225hp at the crank stock. They normally dyno approx 185 at the wheels.

[Z24_3.1]

shit lostthat damn bet

[jdmakkord]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1
shit lostthat damn bet

Well that will teach you, dont make a bet if you dont know fuck all....

[rex7]

Originally posted by jdmakkord


Well that will teach you, dont make a bet if you dont know fuck all....

lol 5.0 only puts out 180? that is harsh for such a big displacement! what a waste of gas

[Z24_3.1]

yeah thats what i mean like a one big ass v8 and no power thats fukked up

[89coupe]

The Mustang would win in a 1/4 mile race, hands down. How do I know cause I've raced a 350Z when my car was stock. No contest.

[Mad$ella]

Originally posted by jdmakkord


No, it has 302 cubic inches in displacement, puts out @225hp

True

[GoChris]

Originally posted by oddjob
350s aren't slow. They have like 240 rwhp.

they arent fast either unfortunately

[googe]

Originally posted by 89coupe
The Mustang would win in a 1/4 mile race, hands down. How do I know cause I've raced a 350Z when my car was stock. No contest.

obviously a case of bad driving then, cause there is no denying that stock vs stock a 350z is technically the faster car

[googe]

Originally posted by GoChris


they arent fast either unfortunately

are there really any other N/A cars in their price range that are faster? i can think of a few FI ones, but id say the 350z is very competetive for its class.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

The 350Z has 287HP and 274 ft-lbs, while the 5.0 Cobra has 235HP and 285 ft-lbs. The Cobra has less HP but more torque, plus I think it is quite a bit lighter than the 350Z. Gearing in the Musting may also be a large factor.

It'd be a driver's race, as far as I'm concerned.

[googe]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSpl
The 350Z has 287HP and 274 ft-lbs, while the 5.0 Cobra has 235HP and 285 ft-lbs. The Cobra has less HP but more torque, plus I think it is quite a bit lighter than the 350Z. Gearing in the Musting may also be a large factor.

It'd be a driver's race, as far as I'm concerned.

the lx 5.0 isnt lighter, and its numbers are 205hp/270 torque. in the real world its always a drivers race for the most part, but technically speaking there is a clear winner.

[oddjob]

Originally posted by GoChris


they arent fast either unfortunately

Never said they were.

[tictactoe2004]

I still think the stang would still win, unless the stang has a really bad driver and the 350 has a really good one....

[A790]

The 350Z would win. I've seen it, multiple times.

[Z_Fan]

Another vote for the 350z.

[2.0turbo]

http://www.dynoperformance.com/search_details.php?ID=408&safeid=408

^^ some info on a 350 if anyone cares. I think the 5.0 would win but I'm gonna find some information on it.

[2.0turbo]

1st number is 0-60 mph, second is quater mile.

1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.80
2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible (5-speed Man) 5.0 13.70


2004 Infiniti G35 (6-speed Man.) 6.3 14.60
2004 Infiniti G35 6MT 5.9 14.20

2004 Nissan 350Z Conv. Touring 5.5 14.30
2003 Nissan 350Z Touring 5.7 14.30


Taken from: http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/speedcomp.htm

I guess it depends on what Mustang your talking about. The older ones will get spanked, the newer ones won't. It looks to me that the 350 is a bit quicker from the line, but once the traction is there they hold the same through the gears.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by googe


the lx 5.0 isnt lighter, and its numbers are 205hp/270 torque. in the real world its always a drivers race for the most part, but technically speaking there is a clear winner.

My numbers were for the 5.0L Cobra, not the LX. It'd help if the original poster states whether he was comparing the Cobra or the LX. All he said was "1993 5.0 Mustang."

[Ekliptix]

Who races a stock 5.0L mustang?

[Z24_3.1]

sorry yeah a cobra

[jdmakkord]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1
sorry yeah a cobra

So a bone stock 93 mustang "cobra" which was just a body kit and decal package added. I still vote 350z

[NickGT]

Originally posted by jdmakkord


So a bone stock 93 mustang "cobra" which was just a body kit and decal package added. I still vote 350z

What you're referring to are known as "canadian cobras". Basically just rebadged GT's. But in 1993 there actually was a Cobra produced in the states which was more than just a decals and body kit.

[jdmakkord]

Originally posted by NickGT


What you're referring to are known as "canadian cobras". Basically just rebadged GT's. But in 1993 there actually was a Cobra produced in the states which was more than just a decals and body kit.

Yeah I know, but I guarantee it wasn't a real cobra he is talking about.

[modded46]

There's a bone stock LX 5.0 in the world?? I doubt it.. Pull up along side a LX and if it sounds stock, there is probably a woman behind the wheel. :)

Secondly, the "bone stock" 93 Cobra sported these numbers on the 1/4 mile

Fabulous Mustangs & Exotic Fords, February 1993
. . . . .¼ mile: 14.05 @ 98 mph

But honestly, when you heard that Cobra fire up, even though the race would be close, i'd take the cobra in a heardbeat. :) Not to mention this was the first year they started the SVT line so it's a major collectors item.

[Aleks]

350Z no doubt in the quarter stock for stock...

[Inzane]

350Z definately.

The 350Z is a mid-14 car stock. Those 93 Mustang GT's were a mid-to-low 15 car stock. No contest.

[Mad$ella]

Originally posted by modded46

But honestly, when you heard that Cobra fire up, even though the race would be close, i'd take the cobra in a heardbeat. :) Not to mention this was the first year they started the SVT line so it's a major collectors item.

:werd:

[Moe Man]

i dont care what your numbers say and weight and all....i have driven both, a 350z and g35 coupe and 4 door, and have driven many 5.0l's. 350z and g35 felt the exact same. but every 5.0l is different some are fast as fuck some are slow ( these were all stock ). personally if you found a 5.0l with 0 km on it and raced it against the 350z, 5.0l would win. not because it is a crazy car but because the 350z and its brother g35 are not that fast. trust me :thumbsup:

[Z24_3.1]

^^ thank u i dont know i think the mustang has more power :D

[MK3HKS]

quater mile....... 5.0 > 350z
top speed......... 350z > 5.0


;)

[Mad$ella]

Originally posted by Moe Man
i dont care what your numbers say and weight and all....i have driven both, a 350z and g35 coupe and 4 door, and have driven many 5.0l's. 350z and g35 felt the exact same. but every 5.0l is different some are fast as fuck some are slow ( these were all stock ). personally if you found a 5.0l with 0 km on it and raced it against the 350z, 5.0l would win. not because it is a crazy car but because the 350z and its brother g35 are not that fast. trust me :thumbsup:



Originally posted by MK3HKS
quater mile....... 5.0 > 350z
top speed......... 350z > 5.0


;)


I like where you guys are coming from.

[Moe Man]

ya i dont think they where very good at getting cars to hit high speeds in 1993 :banghead:

[Darkane]

The '93 Cobra only 5000 produced I think or less Will spank the 350Z. The '93 cobra had the entire GT-40 Package. Heads, Intake, and exhaust setup. Ford rated it at "245hp" but the number was very conservative. Also on a side note, the '93 For Cobra 'R' only 107 produced will basically make the 350 look like a pinto. Stock for stock of course :)

'93 cobra stock - High 13's good driver
'93 cobra 'R' - low 13's.

350Z 16 something at race city :poosie:

[MK3HKS]

Originally posted by Mad$ella

I like where you guys are coming from.

admit it, your 5L is only good in quater mile, now dont argue...

[Mad$ella]

Originally posted by MK3HKS


admit it, your 5L is only good in quater mile, now dont argue...

I have no problem admitting that, I never claimed to have any special handeling abilities. Of course a 5.0L is all drag strip, no a course car.

[googe]

Originally posted by Moe Man
i dont care what your numbers say and weight and all....i have driven both, a 350z and g35 coupe and 4 door, and have driven many 5.0l's. 350z and g35 felt the exact same. but every 5.0l is different some are fast as fuck some are slow ( these were all stock ). personally if you found a 5.0l with 0 km on it and raced it against the 350z, 5.0l would win. not because it is a crazy car but because the 350z and its brother g35 are not that fast. trust me :thumbsup:

you should give car & driver a call. apparently youre better than their professional drivers. you could probably make some good cash!

[cypher_]

Originally posted by googe


you should give car & driver a call. apparently youre better than their professional drivers. you could probably make some good cash!

Good point HAHAHA!! Because those damn car and driver testers must be so horrible at that type of thing!!

:rofl:

[Celica4me]

the supra!

[Z24_3.1]

i dont know the stang will always be better in my book :D

[euro_racer]

i like the 300z, its nice to have something for the track and a litle something for the strip

[Z24_3.1]

300zx are nice but i dont like the 350 much

[duffspec]

Hahahahah i actually raced my buddy's 5.0 with the z.....long story short .......going from 50 kph the 5.0 won. From standing start the Z won at about two/three cars lengths( raced 5 times,4 standing starts and one rolling start) all with the same out come.

Oh the first race from standing start, I had vdc on and he got a jump on me but, i cought up.

5.0 are fast cars.........i'm just to poor to turbo the Z just yet.

[heavyD]

I've got some old motor trend "bang for the buck" issues from 1992 - 1994 there was an LX 5.0L because it was lighter & cheaper than the GT and later the restyled GT. Put is this way. Plymouth Lasers, Eagle Talons, Mitsubishi Eclipse, MR2 turbo's were all faster 0-60 & 1/4 mile. We know the 350Z is faster than those cars so you guys can figure out the rest. This is all bone stock as the original poster said. If were talkin the 3-valve new mustang it's a different outcome but the 2-valve Ford F150 4.6L engines suck ass.:closed:

[Z24_3.1]

lol does that mean my 1990 laser can beat a stang? i dont think so my friend ^^^^^ maybe i didnt read ur post good but yeah

[DonJuan]

Whoa we went from 5.0 vs 350Z to Cobra R and 350z to 300zx, now were into DSM's?? WTF happened?
Ok, i just dug this up on Supercars.net so i dunno how accurate it iis as this site can be pretty inaccurate at times:

94 Mustang GT (newer body style same 5.0) runs 0-60 in 6.6 and teh 1/4 mile in 15.0
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2153.html

and all I can get on the 350Z is that it has 280hp and 260lb/ft
and that Z fan's 350Z has run high 14's... I think....

[Z24_3.1]

lol ^^ i know eh

[ehos]

5.0 is $5000
350 is $55000

The difference in 1/4 mile is minimal stock to stock. But when do you see a stock 5.0? Uh, never. Most 5.0's will walk on most 350's.

Add in the cost, and the winner is clear...

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Hahaha, good ol' bench racing.

I think the most constructive thing about this thread is that it made me realize that I can't even remember the last time I saw a stock 5.0. :D

[heavyD]

Originally posted by DonJuan
Whoa we went from 5.0 vs 350Z to Cobra R and 350z to 300zx, now were into DSM's?? WTF happened?
Ok, i just dug this up on Supercars.net so i dunno how accurate it iis as this site can be pretty inaccurate at times:

94 Mustang GT (newer body style same 5.0) runs 0-60 in 6.6 and teh 1/4 mile in 15.0

1995 MR2 turbo 0-60 in 6.2 seconds, 1/4 mile 14.8
1995 Eclipse GST 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, 1/4 mile 14.9

You guys see where I'm going with this. If the Mustang isn't as fast as those cars, it surely isn't as fast as a 350Z. Apparently most people already know this as the voting shows but stock for stock those mustangs aren't that fast. If we were talking about a car powered by a real performance V8 engine (ie. Z28) it would be a whole different story.:closed:

[lastprodigy]

Originally posted by ehos
5.0 is $5000
350 is $55000

The difference in 1/4 mile is minimal stock to stock. But when do you see a stock 5.0? Uh, never. Most 5.0's will walk on most 350's.

Add in the cost, and the winner is clear...


there are plenty of car that are faster than other for 1/10 the price, that doesnt make it any better and not all most people care about, its not if they wanted a fastcar someone would buy a 15 yr old stang isntead of a 350Z......its great that the stang can hang with it, but by no means does that make them comparable cars :drama:

[Darkane]

Originally posted by heavyD


1995 MR2 turbo 0-60 in 6.2 seconds, 1/4 mile 14.8
1995 Eclipse GST 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, 1/4 mile 14.9

You guys see where I'm going with this. If the Mustang isn't as fast as those cars, it surely isn't as fast as a 350Z. Apparently most people already know this as the voting shows but stock for stock those mustangs aren't that fast. If we were talking about a car powered by a real performance V8 engine (ie. Z28) it would be a whole different story.:closed:

One of the car Mags in '87 or '88 pre-mass air flow 5.0's did a test on a stock Notchback. The result was 14.6 and 0-60 in 6.0. Later I belive Mustangs and Fast fords in the 80's did a test and hit 14.4 so they are faster than 15's.

[NickGT]

Originally posted by heavyD
\If were talkin the 3-valve new mustang it's a different outcome but the 2-valve Ford F150 4.6L engines suck ass.:closed:

Damn now was that really necessary :rofl:

Muscle Mustang & Fast Fords ran a [email protected] in a 2-valve slushbox (automatic). High 13s should be do-able with a 5 speed.

Got the ultimate mustang shootout dvd in my collection, but here's the article based on it on their webpage.

Click Here (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0404mm_must/)

Obviously there's sacrifices that are made with convertibles so I'm not gonna pretend that my car is fast. But it really is a blast to boot around in. :burnout:

[Z24_3.1]

yeah thats another thing like what that other guy said look at the price what car u would u buy for speed? haha

[Mad$ella]

I say stock to stock, if the mustang had for example only 20,000Km on it. It would all depend on the driver. But when was the last time you say a 5.0L with only 20K Km??? lol :D

[googe]

:closed:

[Mad$ella]

Not :closed: this is a good discussion. ;)

[MK3HKS]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1
lol does that mean my 1990 laser can beat a stang? i dont think so my friend ^^^^^ maybe i didnt read ur post good but yeah


there are the RS models which are basically a TSi AWD, which will beat a 5L stock for stock;)

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by Moe Man
i dont care what your numbers say and weight and all....i have driven both, a 350z and g35 coupe and 4 door, and have driven many 5.0l's. 350z and g35 felt the exact same.

uh yeh, your talking about the 4wd sedan or 2wd sedan, last time i checked, 4wd weighs quite a bit more..

enough of this straight line crap, send em on Laguna Seca and tell me who'll win?

[89coupe]

Why don't we get someone with a stock 5.0 and a stock 350Z and have a race at Racecity.

My money is on the 5.0:thumbsup:

[QuasarCav]

Originally posted by 89coupe
Why don't we get someone with a stock 5.0 and a stock 350Z and have a race at Racecity.

My money is on the 5.0:thumbsup:


And mine is on the 350Z, stock vs. stock. 5spd stang vs. 6spd 350Z

[89coupe]

I guarantee the stang will walk on the 350Z out of the hole and will be able to hold him off till the end of the 1/4. The Z may start to reel him in but it will be over before he passes him ;)

[ACX]

If its a legit 93 Cobra the thing should be just as fast, i've seen them run 14.1/2 stock (sea level). Stock for stock as 1 might expect, the 50k Z should beat the normal fox though in most areas.

As has been said, aftermarket is wild for the 5.0s though.

that being said too, it's rare to find a stock 5.0 lol.

[tictactoe2004]

Originally posted by 89coupe
Why don't we get someone with a stock 5.0 and a stock 350Z and have a race at Racecity.

My money is on the 5.0:thumbsup:

:werd:

[Z24_3.1]

so my FWD non turbo laser but with a pro chip will beat a 5.0 i dont belive it lol its hard to belive man 5.0Ls sound like a killero n the road

[MK3HKS]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1
so my FWD non turbo laser but with a pro chip will beat a 5.0 i dont belive it lol its hard to belive man 5.0Ls sound like a killero n the road


no, YOUR laser wont beat one but and AWD turbo will;), yea...those v8's with str8 pipes SOUND like a beast. the rumbling sound:drool:

[Z24_3.1]

ahhaha what if i turbo my laser :P

[89coupe]

Not a stock one. How do I know, cause I own an AWD Turbo Talon and my stang would absolutely smoke it.



Originally posted by MK3HKS



no, YOUR laser wont beat one but and AWD turbo will;), yea...those v8's with str8 pipes SOUND like a beast. the rumbling sound:drool:

[googe]

Originally posted by 89coupe
I guarantee the stang will walk on the 350Z out of the hole and will be able to hold him off till the end of the 1/4. The Z may start to reel him in but it will be over before he passes him ;)

do you realize though that this has already been tested and proven wrong? :dunno:





i dunno whats with all the "would" and "wills", there is more than enough data available on both cars :) motor trend for 1 did the 1/4 in 13.77 with their Z. thats better than the 2001 cobra. forget the 93 :rofl:

[NickGT]

So I know we're comparing an old 5.0L with a brand spanking new 350Z. Which isn't unreasonable, so not to get to far off topic, but for the sake of comparing new to new and even though they're convertibles. Here's some info compiled by motor trend (deemed as reputable by most) for the 350Z convertible VS. 05 Mustang GT Convertible. I'm still trying to look for comparison somewhere on the coupes but anyway for those that wanna read click on.

Link (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0506_ford_nissan/index3.html)

05 Mustang GT vert - [email protected] 0-60: 5.4s
05 350Z roadster - [email protected] 0-60: 5.8s

350Z was faster through the slalom though :thumbsup:

-Edit-

Comparison for the hard tops:
Link (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0501_bang/index.html)

05 Mustang GT - [email protected]
05 350Z Enthusiast - [email protected]

[MK3HKS]

Originally posted by 89coupe
Not a stock one. How do I know, cause I own an AWD Turbo Talon and my stang would absolutely smoke it.





yea.....YOUR mustang with over 400 horse:rofl: , but stock for stock, their 1/4 mile times are pretty much the same every site ive checked, plus AWD launches OWNZ!!:burnout: , so it all depends on the driver..


but yea, now back on topic, this isnt a dsm vs. stang thread.:drama:

[MK3HKS]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1
ahhaha what if i turbo my laser :P


an AWD it...;) but thats to much money to dump into a N/A dsm, just buy a TSi AWD or the RS, then u got a beast:D

[Z24_3.1]

my car is a RS
2.0L

[MK3HKS]

if your dont have a turbo its not an RS, cuz RS is Turbo...

[Redlyne_mr2]

The poll speaks for itself gentemen. The 5.0L go down to the type r's. The type r's are right up there with the 350z. The 350 has more tq and rwd which means a better launch than the itr.

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
The poll speaks for itself gentemen. The 5.0L go down to the type r's. The type r's are right up there with the 350z. The 350 has more tq and rwd which means a better launch than the itr.

you are always so RWD biased...haha...;)

[redline_13000]

Having a poll between imports and domestics on a site where the majority of the members have, drive, and love imports wouldn't really be accurate or thought to be accurate considering there is a bias don't you think?:dunno:

I bet if this poll was on a mustang or domestic car forum it would be the other way around:werd:

Most of this is bench racing anyways, and its pretty hard to compare a 93 with a 2000+ model. The only way to find out is an actual race on the 1/4 mile with both cars at the same KM like someone previously mentioned, and who cares about top speed, are you gonna race from here to edmonton? Maybe if there was no speed limit :dunno:

[Z24_3.1]

^^^ ur right i just wanted to see what the beyond guys would say