Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

Assuming schools are smart enough to keep 1 teacher with 1 class as a bubble and not kids shuffling all around I think things will be okay, at least for the first semester. There will definitely be outbreaks but there's 250 schools in Calgary and say ~50+ 'bubbles' of students per school. So roughly 12,500 groups of people and we only have ~275 active cases in Calgary ... so it's not like very class is going to immediately have infected students in it (As opposed to some of the states like Texas where 25% of their covid tests come back positive).

I do wonder if they'll adjust the school schedule to have mini-breaks as well? A week or two semester break at Halloween might help any mini outbreaks calm down by keeping kids separated for a bit?

On a unrelated, victory to Calgary note, the Alberta covid page updated the landing page for the interactive data to now show the # of cases in the Edmonton zone rather than the Calgary zone. #Winning

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Originally Posted by pheoxs

On a unrelated, victory to Calgary note, the Alberta covid page updated the landing page for the interactive data to now show the # of cases in the Edmonton zone rather than the Calgary zone. #Winning

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This is the kind of petty bullshit that I love. Fuck Edmonton. :goflames:

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Originally Posted by ExtraSlow

Teachers will need to be away from school a hell of a lot mroe than a normal year. Teachers get loads of colds from the disgusting children, and mostly they just "play through it", which won't be an option this year. If you are a substitute, you might get a lot more days. Think that's right @MalibuStacy ?

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Including myself there are a few Beyonders that either are teachers or have spouses that are teachers, I'm the latter. Through a normal school year my wife is fighting something at least 25% of the year and she just loads up on the Tylenol / Sudafed / Whatever and powers through. That won't be an option and as anyone connected with the CBE knows their substitute roster is too short as it is. It's common, almost expected that if you try to call in sick the morning of a regular school day the sub desk is out of people. You have to book the night before or your school is just simply short a staffer that day. I'm pretty sure the CBE hasn't hired a thousand new substitutes to meet the demand so it won't take long for this whole thing to implode.

I know someone who is a qualified teacher, but has been in oil and gas for ten years. He's thinking of going back to teaching, maybe this is the year to do it!

yeah...fuck James Neal for ruining Andreas' COD matches.

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Originally Posted by Masked Bandit

Hiding symptoms is going to be a thing right from day one I suspect. Don't worry though folks, my current guesstimation is that school will be shut down again by Halloween, maybe even Thanksgiving. The domino effect of one or two kids and or a teacher getting sick with pretty much anything is so disruptive that I can see the house of cards falling quite early.

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I suspect we will see what happens in the USA with schools opening before us first as an idea of what will happen here.

Also the problem with bubbles or cohorts is what happens at lunchtime; or afterschool care; or on the bus; or extracurrilar activities. They all have bubbles too.

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Originally Posted by Masked Bandit

Including myself there are a few Beyonders that either are teachers or have spouses that are teachers, I'm the latter. Through a normal school year my wife is fighting something at least 25% of the year and she just loads up on the Tylenol / Sudafed / Whatever and powers through. That won't be an option and as anyone connected with the CBE knows their substitute roster is too short as it is. It's common, almost expected that if you try to call in sick the morning of a regular school day the sub desk is out of people. You have to book the night before or your school is just simply short a staffer that day. I'm pretty sure the CBE hasn't hired a thousand new substitutes to meet the demand so it won't take long for this whole thing to implode.

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Is your solution to go straight to online?

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Originally Posted by nzwasp

I suspect we will see what happens in the USA with schools opening before us first as an idea of what will happen here.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/u...ronavirus.html

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Originally Posted by Buster

Is your solution to go straight to online?

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May not be a bad idea. The school boards has been loading up on chromebooks.

IMHO, there is 0 confidence in any of the school opening policies. IESO (Ontario's version of AESO) wil not let anyone back in office until 2021. We are also put on indefinite delay and give a wait and see after school opens but I won't be surprised we are on the same boat. We may be a bit better than Georgia but I don't think by much.

Every time I get sick, it's someone got it from the kids and drag it to work. Now that this thing is asymptomatic and will stay in the air for up to 4hrs in area with bad air flow, the fall is gonna be bad if we are spreading 2-3x more than expected in the summer.

NY Times eh? :)

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Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror

NY Times eh? :)

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Prefer another MSM? Or is 4chan the only truth?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/second-...grow-1.5060393

I would think the extra steps taken to prevent covid would help lower the amount of regular cold/flus as well. All the extra cleaning, and mask wearing. Obviously it won't eliminate them, but drastically reduce it. My work has never stopped, and has followed AHS guidelines since the beginning. They also pay full wages while self-quarantined. With the exception of the initial two weeks when the entire country locked down and scared shitless, there hasn't been any colds or anything else floating around. Almost zero sick days since April.

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Originally Posted by Xtrema

May not be a bad idea. The school boards has been loading up on chromebooks.

IMHO, there is 0 confidence in any of the school opening policies. IESO (Ontario's version of AESO) wil not let anyone back in office until 2021. We are also put on indefinite delay and give a wait and see after school opens but I won't be surprised we are on the same boat. We may be a bit better than Georgia but I don't think by much.

Every time I get sick, it's someone got it from the kids and drag it to work. Now that this thing is asymptomatic and will stay in the air for up to 4hrs in area with bad air flow, the fall is gonna be bad if we are spreading 2-3x more than expected in the summer.

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I would consider it, although I would also (as a member of the public) be somewhat, uh...deliberate...in how I handled teacher's pay as a result. If teachers think they should get full pay for a few hours of online teaching per week, then I think we need to have a hard discussion with the union. It seemed apparent to me in the spring, that the online resources for learning (Khan, etc), were far superior to what the CBE was going to be able to accomplish.

Teachers should be more concerned about how this impacts the public's view of how necessary they are. If we innovate around the teachers absence, it won't be good.

I said it quite early on: one of the victims in COVID is going to be the public's impression of public education.

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Originally Posted by Xtrema

Prefer another MSM? Or is 4chan the only truth?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/second-...grow-1.5060393

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Ask @Buster . ;) He has bad taste in music so you don't have to trust him.

I have a NYT subscription. :)

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Originally Posted by Buster

I would consider it, although I would also (as a member of the public) be somewhat, uh...deliberate...in how I handled teacher's pay as a result. If teachers think they should get full pay for a few hours of online teaching per week, then I think we need to have a hard discussion with the union. It seemed apparent to me in the spring, that the online resources for learning (Khan, etc), were far superior to what the CBE was going to be able to accomplish.

Teachers should be more concerned about how this impacts the public's view of how necessary they are. If we innovate around the teachers absence, it won't be good.

I said it quite early on: one of the victims in COVID is going to be the public's impression of public education.

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Grade 2 was a lost year for my daughter. We already knew we had a shit teacher but were hoping for inclass lessons to atleast give her more time to learn but as soon as the online learning started the teacher interaction slimmed down to 15 mins a week and the class work was a joke, so much that we saw on instagram from the school that grade 2 was learning all about eastern Canada but our student didnt learn anything about eastern Canada. Not just in covid time but there needs to be better oversight on how well each teacher is doing and if they arent pulling their weight move them into some admin function.

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Originally Posted by nzwasp

Grade 2 was a lost year for my daughter. We already knew we had a shit teacher but were hoping for inclass lessons to atleast give her more time to learn but as soon as the online learning started the teacher interaction slimmed down to 15 mins a week and the class work was a joke, so much that we saw on instagram from the school that grade 2 was learning all about eastern Canada but our student didnt learn anything about eastern Canada. Not just in covid time but there needs to be better oversight on how well each teacher is doing and if they arent pulling their weight move them into some admin function.

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That's too generous.

I don't understand why teachers think they are exempt from the consequences of the world around them.

My kids need to be educated: are teachers/CBE going to be the solution? Are they not going to be the solution? If they aren't, then mass layoffs, and I'll take care of this shit myself. I really hate paying for a service that is not delivered.

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Originally Posted by Buster

That's too generous.

I don't understand why teachers think they are exempt from the consequences of the world around them.

My kids need to be educated: are teachers/CBE going to be the solution? Are they not going to be the solution? If they aren't, then mass layoffs, and I'll take care of this shit myself. I really hate paying for a service that is not delivered.

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This is a harder line stance than the one I've been taking around this topic but the base point is equal.

I don't understand why of all the people who have to live/work/earn differently right now the teachers are the unassailable holy grail of the "but it isn't fair" contingent. You either do what needs to be done or you don't, you either have a job or you don't. But you don't get to not do your job and then still keep all the funding from my exorbitant property tax and income tax allocations.

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Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE

This is a harder line stance than the one I've been taking around this topic but the base point is equal.

I don't understand why of all the people who have to live/work/earn differently right now the teachers are the unassailable holy grail of the "but it isn't fair" contingent. You either do what needs to be done or you don't, you either have a job or you don't. But you don't get to not do your job and then still keep all the funding from my exorbitant property tax and income tax allocations.

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It's a pretty common response when faced with an existential crisis: people confuse the situation being not-their-fault, with the situation being not-their-problem.

COVID is certainly not the teachers' fault, but it most definitely is their problem.

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Originally Posted by ExtraSlow

Up to 8 days.

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The actual test itself takes less than 24 hours to produce results IIRC. This "up to 8 days" is purely based on how long reporting of results can take since there is potential for large backlogs due to the volume of testing.

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Originally Posted by nzwasp

I suspect we will see what happens in the USA with schools opening before us first as an idea of what will happen here.

Also the problem with bubbles or cohorts is what happens at lunchtime; or afterschool care; or on the bus; or extracurrilar activities. They all have bubbles too.

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I think that depends if we react here based on what appears to be happening down there. Or if we actually respond to our own statistics here. We currently can't trust much of anything in regards to data coming from the US. They're making everything appear much worse than it is.

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Originally Posted by Masked Bandit

Including myself there are a few Beyonders that either are teachers or have spouses that are teachers, I'm the latter. Through a normal school year my wife is fighting something at least 25% of the year and she just loads up on the Tylenol / Sudafed / Whatever and powers through. That won't be an option and as anyone connected with the CBE knows their substitute roster is too short as it is. It's common, almost expected that if you try to call in sick the morning of a regular school day the sub desk is out of people. You have to book the night before or your school is just simply short a staffer that day. I'm pretty sure the CBE hasn't hired a thousand new substitutes to meet the demand so it won't take long for this whole thing to implode.

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I read something that teachers must pay for substitute teachers, is this true and if so what kind of nightmare will that be if teachers are having to quarantine multiple times per year

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Originally Posted by adam c

I read something that teachers must pay for substitute teachers, is this true and if so what kind of nightmare will that be if teachers are having to quarantine multiple times per year

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No, teachers don't pay the substitutes. The only time a substitute has any impact on a teacher's pay is if they book a bunch of personal days then the CBE deducts some of the sub cost from the teacher. I don't remember the exact amounts and for what days but legit sick days have no impact on the teacher's paycheque.