Ferrari of Quebec has a 1991 Alfa Romeo SZ Zagato for sale

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12-05-2020, 12:37 AM
Buster

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Ferrari of Quebec has a 1991 Alfa Romeo SZ Zagato for sale

https://www.ferrariquebec.com/vehicl...s=d%27occasion

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4IpYgi0bT0
12-05-2020, 08:43 AM
Masked Bandit

That's the weirdest looking Saturn I've seen in a while.
12-05-2020, 09:28 AM
ExtraSlow

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Originally Posted by Masked Bandit

That's the weirdest looking Saturn I've seen in a while.

I like weird cars, so obviously this gives me a chubby, but yeah what in the fuck?
12-05-2020, 09:32 AM
ThePenIsMightier

Neat!
Expensive for a car that may not appreciate, though.
12-05-2020, 09:37 AM
Tik-Tok

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Originally Posted by Masked Bandit

That's the weirdest looking Saturn I've seen in a while.

Ok, but does it have shopping cart resistant door panels?*

*Resistance not guaranteed in below freezing temperatures
12-08-2020, 11:28 AM
zipdoa

Late 80's/Early 90's Alfa's are really cool. This SZ is a good example.

My first roommate drove a Milano Verde that he swapped to the 24V motor. I knew nothing about them back then, but after driving it completely understood the appeal:

https://www.alfabb.com/threads/24v-m...4/#post-866442
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_0062.jpg
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_0068.jpg

Lots of cool shit on these Milano's - inboard rear brakes, transaxle, 50/50 weight distribution, really designed as a drivers car through and through. Awesome interior as well.

The 164 Q4 is another bad-ass example I'd love to own. Torque biasing up to 100% on each axle, and 3:1 between wheels on the rear axle. really bad ass tech for mid-90's, and even today.

"Q4 uses a completely unique AWD system. The AWD is designed by Steyr - Puch and Alfa, and uses a Viscous coupling, central epicyclic differential and a Torsen LSD at the rear. Further more, the AWD system (Which is called VISCOMATIC) uses parameters from the Motronic, ABS, Steering angle, Throttle and more to decide the torque split between the axles. The Q4's torque split is variable between 0% to 100% on each axle, so it can be totally FWD, or totally RWD depending on road conditions and driver inputs.

The gearbox in the Q4 is designed and built by Getrag, and has 6 speeds + Reverse. The Getrag box has an open differential at the front.
The Torsen LSD at the rear works in the same principle as most other Torsen diffs. It is a 3:1 Torsen TBR (Torque Bias Ratio), and puts out torque to the loaded wheel in the corners."

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/c2...cf1b43dc1d.jpg
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...?fit=940%2C626
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...size=620%2C413

BaT link if you're interested:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-romeo-164-12/
12-09-2020, 02:21 PM
SSO

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipdoa

Late 80's/Early 90's Alfa's are really cool. This SZ is a good example.

My first roommate drove a Milano Verde that he swapped to the 24V motor. I knew nothing about them back then, but after driving it completely understood the appeal:

https://www.alfabb.com/threads/24v-m...4/#post-866442
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_0062.jpg
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_0068.jpg

Lots of cool shit on these Milano's - inboard rear brakes, transaxle, 50/50 weight distribution, really designed as a drivers car through and through. Awesome interior as well.

The 164 Q4 is another bad-ass example I'd love to own. Torque biasing up to 100% on each axle, and 3:1 between wheels on the rear axle. really bad ass tech for mid-90's, and even today.

"Q4 uses a completely unique AWD system. The AWD is designed by Steyr - Puch and Alfa, and uses a Viscous coupling, central epicyclic differential and a Torsen LSD at the rear. Further more, the AWD system (Which is called VISCOMATIC) uses parameters from the Motronic, ABS, Steering angle, Throttle and more to decide the torque split between the axles. The Q4's torque split is variable between 0% to 100% on each axle, so it can be totally FWD, or totally RWD depending on road conditions and driver inputs.

The gearbox in the Q4 is designed and built by Getrag, and has 6 speeds + Reverse. The Getrag box has an open differential at the front.
The Torsen LSD at the rear works in the same principle as most other Torsen diffs. It is a 3:1 Torsen TBR (Torque Bias Ratio), and puts out torque to the loaded wheel in the corners."

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/c2...cf1b43dc1d.jpg

I have owned two late 80s/early 90s Alfas and acquired them when new. While some of the engineering was pretty interesting, the build quality was beyond atrocious.
12-09-2020, 02:24 PM
Buster

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Originally Posted by SSO

I have owned two late 80s/early 90s Alfas and acquired them when new. While some of the engineering was pretty interesting, the build quality was beyond atrocious.

You're aging yourself! haha
12-09-2020, 02:35 PM
SSO

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Originally Posted by Buster

You're aging yourself! haha

I started buying cars when I was 3 years old:angel:
12-09-2020, 04:36 PM
finboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipdoa

Late 80's/Early 90's Alfa's are really cool. This SZ is a good example.

My first roommate drove a Milano Verde that he swapped to the 24V motor. I knew nothing about them back then, but after driving it completely understood the appeal:

https://www.alfabb.com/threads/24v-m...4/#post-866442
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_0062.jpg
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_0068.jpg

Lots of cool shit on these Milano's - inboard rear brakes, transaxle, 50/50 weight distribution, really designed as a drivers car through and through. Awesome interior as well.

The 164 Q4 is another bad-ass example I'd love to own. Torque biasing up to 100% on each axle, and 3:1 between wheels on the rear axle. really bad ass tech for mid-90's, and even today.

"Q4 uses a completely unique AWD system. The AWD is designed by Steyr - Puch and Alfa, and uses a Viscous coupling, central epicyclic differential and a Torsen LSD at the rear. Further more, the AWD system (Which is called VISCOMATIC) uses parameters from the Motronic, ABS, Steering angle, Throttle and more to decide the torque split between the axles. The Q4's torque split is variable between 0% to 100% on each axle, so it can be totally FWD, or totally RWD depending on road conditions and driver inputs.

The gearbox in the Q4 is designed and built by Getrag, and has 6 speeds + Reverse. The Getrag box has an open differential at the front.
The Torsen LSD at the rear works in the same principle as most other Torsen diffs. It is a 3:1 Torsen TBR (Torque Bias Ratio), and puts out torque to the loaded wheel in the corners."

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/c2...cf1b43dc1d.jpg
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...?fit=940%2C626
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...size=620%2C413

BaT link if you're interested:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-romeo-164-12/

My neighbour had a couple, cool but questionable reliability. The SZ is amaze balls.
12-10-2020, 01:45 PM
The_Rural_Juror

Dem panel gaps.
12-18-2020, 02:56 PM
CLiVE

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Originally Posted by finboy

My neighbour had a couple, cool but questionable reliability..

My family owned one in the early 90s. Horrible, horrible car - everything was falling apart. :rofl:
Even the Rover sedan we replaced it with was more reliable.
12-18-2020, 04:36 PM
SSO

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Originally Posted by CLiVE

My family owned one in the early 90s. Horrible, horrible car - everything was falling apart. :rofl:
Even the Rover sedan we replaced it with was more reliable.

The Alfa 75 I owned in the early 90s came "pre-rusted" direct from the factory.
12-18-2020, 04:38 PM
Buster

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Originally Posted by SSO

The Alfa 75 I owned in the early 90s came "pre-rusted" direct from the factory.

Is this an exaggeration, or was there actual rust on the body at delivery?
12-18-2020, 05:14 PM
r3ccOs

I had a 89' Milano QV 3.0

it was a very unique car... De Dion rear linkage, inboard breaks, rear transaxel transmission, torsen beam front suspension

I did basic stuff at the time like a CAI, equal length headers, Stebro exhaust... and then the timing belt imploded at like 40K and as it was an interference engine, it needed to be top down rebuilt.

Italian mechanic rebuilt it but tune'd it up - never had a dyno but did a full rebuild with 93mm and higher compression pistons, balanced it, columbo cams

after all said and done, it was a nice sounding and free reving motor...

but with all Alfa's reliability? I think by the time I was ready for my 3rd transmission.. 4th set of rear calipers, valve tappet jobs every 20k... it was time to park it.
12-18-2020, 05:42 PM
SSO

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Originally Posted by Buster

Is this an exaggeration, or was there actual rust on the body at delivery?

It had rust.
12-18-2020, 06:12 PM
Buster

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSO

It had rust.

ouch
12-18-2020, 06:17 PM
ExtraSlow

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