Track use + warranty is a can of worms with ANY brand. Plus if it's a rattle that's no biggie compared to say injectors or fuel pumps.
All things considered I'd say the Kia fared pretty damn well.
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So I went and drove a 2020 Stinger GT Limited last night and I have to say I was thoroughly impressed. Price point is $53K, nicer interior than the $85K Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT I can't stop looking at. This thing had tons and tons of power, 5 year / 100,000 KM bumper to bumper warranty and a look that's unique enough to not blend in with every other car on the road. All the tech features you can think of and a very solid sound system. I just wish the exhaust note was a little meaner.
There's a lot to like about them. I've always maintained the current higher-end Hyundai and Kia interiors are as good or better than some of the Japanese and German competition. Everything is tight, feels like it should, nothing rattles, etc.
The only issue I have with them is the extremely low residual values - after 4 years, Kia is saying your $53K car is only worth $18K. Lease is ~$770/mo which is really high - you can lease an Audi S4 Technik for about $50-75/mo more. I imagine the C43 is similar. Based on that, I think resale will be quite poor on them as well if you financed instead.
Can't argue the initial value proposition at MSRP, but I feel like you can get a better car for hardly any more money, at least from a lease perspective.
Totally, between the Stinger and the G70, I think they will be absolute bargains on the used market. You'll have 1-2 years of warranty left on it too.
It's getting better I think, but overall people still have a fairly poor market impression of Kia/Hyundai and they just don't hold their value. Their SUVs are better for that though.
It's disheartening to see the manufacturer value their own cars so low after such a short time, but if they aren't realistic, what you end up with is a situation like GM got themselves into where nobody bought out leases because the residuals were artificially inflated to way above market value, and so they took a bath on every vehicle.
With the long warranty I think people will be looking to finance and keep longer. Better value in that scenario.
At the same time I've been looking at the S5 Sportback and for the increase in price ($25Kish) and the shorter warranty I just can't get there. I'm not looking at lease rates so that doesn't change anything in my particular situation. I don't know much about BMW or MB but I don't think they have anything with 0-60 time under 5 seconds, seating for four / five plus hockey gear for anywhere near $53k??? Maybe I'm missing something?
I don't think you're missing anything. You're right, you won't find anything that matches the Kia's MSRP with a sub 5 second 0-60 time and similar size from the Germans (though a regular A4 with the 2.0T goes 0-60 in 5.2sec which is pretty close). The similar cars from Audi, BMW, and MB are the S4/S5/340i/C43 AMG, etc. Looking at total cost of ownership though, either lease or finance, they are surprisingly comparable because the higher MSRPs are largely offset by better residual/future values. It's all just a spreadsheet at the end of the day :) I think a 2-3 year old Stinger would be phenomenal value if you aren't looking to lease - let someone else take the huge hit on value, and you still get to enjoy 2-3 years of warranty remaining.
Baby steps... moving away from the domestics is a HUGE accomplishment Bill :rofl:
We’ll get you in the total cost of ownership train eventually!
Honestly, there isn't anything else that directly compares with the Stinger on a $$$ basis. The S5 Sportback is the closest direct competitor from a power/function POV, and as noted, it's significantly more expensive.
I've had a couple of Kias. Both were fine cars, but the interiors and refinement were notably below Japanese and European offerings. On-par with Ford/GM.
I'm curious to see how they are now. I haven't driven a G70 yet and I don't want to until I'm in the market for a car... lol.
Super not interested in owning anything German out of warranty.
I've got no particular attachment to domestic product, wife currently drives a Hyundai, before that were two Hondas. I've owned numerous Nissan products over the years and truth be told if Acura, Infiniti or Lexus built anything with balls that wasn't touching six figures (and was useful as a family-ish vehicle) I would be all over it.
Trust me, the financial side of my brain wishes I could be content with a used Camry as basic transportation...but like most of us on here if that's what I was forced to drive I'd be looking for a cement wall to run straight into.
I am up in High Level for a couple of days for a trial and the rental I got is a brand new Fusion with a 1000 kms. I gotta say, it literally does everything, has every single option that any other high end German vehicle out there does and has. It likely costs peanuts compared to them and it actually drives quite nice as well. I drove it less than a 100 clicks so clearly I am not an expert on the subject but I was quite blown away by the features and quality you can get these days from a car that costs like what $30K?
^ the quality after 4-5 years is the real question. If it has a DI engine for eg. expect that to be the usual intake debacle - unless Ford has changed their injection method to a hybrid setup like Toyota.