Ever tried doing real work on an iPad?Quote:
Originally Posted by flipstah
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Ever tried doing real work on an iPad?Quote:
Originally Posted by flipstah
As much as Apple put Adobe out there to keep the creative people happy, Creative Cloud is not even fully on ARM yet and whats there won't make the pros happy. Especially ones who just dropped $20-30k on a Xeon based MacProQuote:
Originally Posted by flipstah
Technically it make sense since Moore's Law is still alive on the ARM side while slowed quite a bit on X86. Even with AMD Ryzen outpacing Intel.
Just Word. Is that work?Quote:
Originally Posted by killramos
It's not work until you whip out Excel with pivot table.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipstah
They did say they still have some intel products in the pipeline that they were excited about so maybe a mac pro refresh or something as those would be the last to change over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtrema
Yesterday’s announcement would make me very leery about investing in an intel based Mac now.Quote:
Originally Posted by schocker
Gonna be a lot of bloated unoptimized programs in macs future and Apple will want to clean that shut up within 5-6 years max.
I bet we see an arm only OSX by 2025, that to me makes buying a Mac right now a tough sell.
I just bought a MBP 13" for the family. Still in shipping. I figure there's 4-5 years life on that thing at this point. Not all software will be ARM only even after the 2 year transition, hence Universal binaries so that it supports both x86 and ARM Macs.Quote:
Originally Posted by killramos
Honestly with Adobe's track record of development prowess it'd be at least 5 years before we get Creative Suite running on ARM better than x86. Have you seen the shit show that's Creative Cloud iPad OS? Affinity Photo on iPad is comparable to Photoshop on a Mac. Photoshop and Lightroom on a Mac is a fucking joke and it's been how many years since they've been working on it?
I'm still using a 5 year old MacBook 12" for Zoom meetings and google docs when I don't need a 2nd monitor. 5 years I've gone beyond getting my money's worth TBH.
I guess my point is Apple is going to mandate a hard shutdown well before developers are ready to let go of x86, probably to improve battery life performance of bloated universal apps.
The people who really lose in that scenario are users.
All of the things you are quoting are the reasons why I am concerned. This isn’t me being a Mac hater, I love them. I just have a hard time dropping 2-3k in a new MBP or an iMac right now with all this hanging over the purchase like a dark cloud.
Universal binaries. It's basically just storage bloat. No battery life impact. Even Rosetta 2 translates during install again resulting in storage bloat and not battery life performance. To a degree anyways, native ARM will always be more efficient. They can sell more SSD for more profits so it's something Apple can milk too haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by killramos
Benchmarks for Apples Arm based dev kits are starting to show up ( Mac mini with an iPad Pro chip ).
Looks like it’s coming in slightly weaker than an i3 base Mac mini from 2018:
ARM Mac Mini
Single Core ~ 830
Multi Core ~ 2700
2018 i3 Mac Mini
Single Core ~ 900
Multi Core ~ 3300
2018 i5 Mac Mini
Single Core ~ 1100
Multi Core ~5300
2018 i7 Mac Mini
Single Core ~1100
Multi Core ~6000
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu...95af6e2ef02771
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu...c+mini+2018+i3
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu...c+mini+2018+i5
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu...c+mini+2018+i7
Is Apple TV 4K worth it if you have Apple TV HD? I have mine connected with the projector and I am not sure if I am missing out on better quality running the TV HD and not TV 4K with my 4K projector. I typically just use Netflix and Prime.
In my opinion yes. The speed of the 4k over the HD is very noticeable as well when transitioning menus or using any intensive apps. I have both and the 4k is considerably better, i wonder however if a new version is going to be released in September.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakalaka
I would assume these tests are run using Rosetta? If so I could see the performance drop, those results are not as good as the same chip in an iPad where the benchmarking can run as a native app.Quote:
Originally Posted by killramos
Yea this is run on Rosetta 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kavy
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Yes worth it but I echo the poster above in wait for a refresh.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakalaka
I would say 50% plus of my content is 4K now, plus all the UI etc is in 4K which looks way better.
Always run your sources at native to what your display can handle. Plumbing 1080p into a 4K projector is a recipe for failure. Let the AppleTV hardware do the upscaling.
If that's the case then I honestly do not think that is bad for a 2yr old chip that will never make it into a retail Mac desktop. Less than 40% overhead in emulation on beta Rosetta 2 (that only recognises 4 cores according to my dev portal so it's missing the other 4) is much better than I would have expected. Actually makes me excited to see where Rosetta 2 will be in a few years of development and how an A15Z (or whatever they call their desktop chip when they release it) will be optimized for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by killramos
Update: when looking into this someone did an openCl comparison.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/com...seline=1138304
More updates: appears my Marth isn't great. The super geeks are saying 30% overhead so in emulation Rosetta is getting 70% native performance, that's Unreal. Assuming they are able to grow the computing power by 20% a generation like they have the last few years and then the desktop chip runs desktop voltage these ARM machines are going to be powerhouses in native apps.
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Originally Posted by shakalaka
Dolby Atmos is only available on the Apple TV 4K if you're setup for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kavy
A13 single core is 10% faster than A12.Quote:
Originally Posted by killramos
A14 is rumored to be 20% faster than A12.
So in emulation it can potentially be close to i5 performance with A14. Which isn't bad. And remember the A12Z (4+4) costs around $50. A13 (2+4) is around $30. A14 (2+4) on 5nm is expected to drop that to $23. So in theory, Apple can slap 2 A14 into a Mac (4+8) and have a 12 core proc for $50, easily squeeze another $100-200 margin per device.
And if everyone rewrite for ARM, then you won't even have the emulation penalty. Intel has not get their shit together since 2016 and seems like their road back will be a long one for Apple to pull this move.
That's not how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtrema
Geekbench is an architecture benchmark only - an A14 has nowhere near the power of a higher wattage Intel i5 processor and Geekbench cannot be used to accurately compare entire systems either, especially ones that are actively cooled.
Anyone on here still rocking an X?
Mine is starting to get borderline unusable, it’s practically ready to overheat after simple internet browsing for the last 30 minutes (tried taking my case off which didn’t help), battery is solidly into “service” territory saying 85% of original which I don’t believe for a minute.
Wondering if it was the last iOS update but I don’t remember it ever being like this before. Wondering if anyone else has experienced their X on its last legs.
September updates can’t come soon enough.