Does that make this a black wing relative? When Does yours arrive?Quote:
Originally Posted by rage2
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Does that make this a black wing relative? When Does yours arrive?Quote:
Originally Posted by rage2
Probably 3 years to go before I get back into a 2 seater. Even then, who knows what’s out there by then.
This ain't your father's Corvette.Quote:
Originally Posted by rage2
Wish list would be an NA version of the engine.
I feel it’ll be too much power. 800 is ridiculous.
Wow, that will be the first good sounding Corvette, for my tastes at least. Sounds great.
That thing sounds like a choir of angels
The ZR1 is going to be pretty nuts too. 1000hp AWD hybrid is what's rumoured. That would literally check every box for me. Maybe except for price haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkane
Yeah that’s hypercar territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by rage2
New rumour today:
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/27/...power-zr1-z06/
NA to beat Ferrari. Christ, that’s my next car if real. I expect 120-130CDN, but it’ll be amazing.
This is getting insane.
GM has always had the best chassis tuning engineers of the Big3, and they probably had the ability to go after this market in earnest if they wanted to. But now they seem to really want to for some reason. Why are they finally turning loose their engineers to go after Ferrari with a real competitor? It used to be that they had "supercar-level performance" in a bargain package. Now they;ve got supercar level performance in an actual supercar...and STILL in a bargain package. You could always justify the massive premium to exotic brands because they brought something to the table the Vette never could. I'm not sure that's the case any more. This is really going to hurt the entry-level supercar/exotic range (Huracan, R8, 488, 570s).
I still don't know why Ford decided to put all of their resources into a cranked-up rental car (Mustang GT350) and an unobtainable supercar, with a V6 (Ford GT).
The GT350 is special. It’s not a cranked up rental. Im bias yes, but it’s true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster
It's still a cranked up rental, it's just cranked higher than usual haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkane
Agreed. I'm really wondering how it's going to affect the used market for some of these cars. A used R8 is what? $70K to $100K? So a used R8 or a new C8 Vette with a warranty?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster
Forget used. It's going to hurt NEW sales on those cars too. And the 911. I'm a 911 fan but they cost too much for what you get. The c8 version that comes at the gt3 price point is going to make the comparison hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinL
I don't think GT350 owners should be offended by the comparison. It just is what it is. They should actually be thankful for the rental market - it's the only reason the Mustang exists. They get to drive a great car because people from Ohio "upgrade for only $23 a day" at the Avis desk in Phoenix. Same with the Hellcat or whatever gauche contraption FCA has conjured up this year based on last century's e-class. And the Camaro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkane
As far as I can think, the Vette is the only purpose-built enthusiast domestic sports car.
Corvettes have always matched or outperformed more expensive cars though, and it never really seemed to affect the competition sales too much. The C8 is obviously better than previous Corvettes, but that is not that much different than the previous leap-frogging (i.e. C6 --> C7). Maybe the fact that you will see one of them on every street corner will be enough to keep the "exotic" sales stable. It sucks the most for Ferrari since Chevy so blatantly copied Ferrari's F430ish styling for ~2/3 of the car haha.
Also I think a lot of the higher-end car buyers don't want a Chevy, and they can afford not to. A lot of people are also willing to pay for exclusivity - just look at how many people won't touch a Hyundai or Kia for no other reason than brand name, or cars like the VW Phaeton. Mercedes is till going to sell a boat load more S-Classes than Hyundai is the G90. There's a long history of people happy to pay ~50-100% more for brand names and status cars, I don't think it will stir up the market as much as some others, but I am eager to find out either way.
The market is more of a smooth curve than blocky chunks. For every 10 people that are considering a Mclaren/Ferrari/R8 (maybe on the used market), there are probably a few of those that would be willing to save a few dollars or have something new with warranty. Some people value exclusivity more than other people. I think it's probably a smaller number than you might think. Look at the 911 market. People are spending big bucks on special edition 911s. They aren't exclusive at all. You don't show up to a party with a Gt3 and impress the people there with exclusivity - they just see a 911. The odd guy might know its a special one, but people want exclusivity to impress the average Joe.
I think it will probably impact the 911 market more than anything.
I hope so. I would love an air cooled 911 but they are holding their value too well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster
Not THAT 911 market, lol. That market isn't rational.Quote:
Originally Posted by npham
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birdie told me that they have greenlit the corvette crossover/SUV. They have been talking about turning it into a sub-brand for ages, looks like that might be coming to pass.
They want some of those Urus/Benteyga/Cayenne profit margins.
They always did well with the escalade. They just never knew how to extend that. A corvette escalade is perfect for the firey hellscape that is the current vehicle market.
I know, it was in jest. But a 991.x should be much more affordable going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster