Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

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Originally Posted by A790

I don't disagree with you. I'm speaking specifically to enterprise networks, not Starbucks Wifi.

When you go into your office tower and connect to your Cisco/Juniper/Cambium/SonicWall/whatever AP, the admin of that AP can absolutely identify you and those you've been around because you connected to their AP, presumably with credentials or hardware known to the company. It's a bit more fuzzy in a BYOD environment, admittedly.

The point I was making is that, if I'm Company XYZ, I'm absolutely going to be leveraging contact/proximity tracing on my in-office users because if an outbreak takes place, I can take immediate and prudent steps to get on top of it. In that scenario, the need for government opt-in contact tracing is significantly reduced.

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You'll end up with a massive number of false positives. Wifi signals are much stronger than the Low Power Bluetooth that phone based contact tracing uses. The bonus with low powered BT is that it's a hell of a lot more accurate in determining if you're in close contact with someone else. If you hear their BT token transmit, you're for sure close by. An AP in the NW corner of the office would see me at the SW corner and consider that close contact. Not to mention wifi on phones and laptops vary output power based on various factors such as battery power, network usage, etc.

Even Cisco's implementation isn't used for contact tracing, but more for a rough idea on how to manage workspaces.

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Originally Posted by rage2

Even Cisco's implementation isn't used for contact tracing, but more for a rough idea on how to manage workspaces.

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This was very true six months ago. The conversations I'm having now - I'm on a call right now with Juniper Networks organizing a webinar on contact tracing with Juniper hardware for early October - are all about how wifi access points can be leveraged for contact tracing. I'll post to FB by the way you're welcome to attend.

Every vendor I've talked to in the past quarter - Ruckus, Juniper, Cambium, SonicWall, and Cisco - are making contact/proximity tracing a major part of their marketing message.

PS - are you also in the channel?

nerds

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Originally Posted by Buster

nerds

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Oh, yea without question.

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One question posed by researchers was whether someone has “seriously considered suicide in the past 30 days”— not fleetingly considered it as a momentary fantasy nor thought about it ever in their lifetime, but seriously considered suicide at least once in the past 30 days. The results are staggering.

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mental health experts Andrew Solomon and Johann Hari, both of whom described how “the traumas of this pandemic — the unraveling of our way of life for however long that lasts, the compulsory viewing of all other humans as threats, and especially sustained isolation and social distancing” — will exacerbate virtually every social pathology, including ones of mental health.

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https://theintercept.com/2020/08/28/...t-unravelling/

Somewhat accelerated by COVID but maps pretty well with Jonathan Haidt’s considerations about millennials

Without doubt Boomers had it the best. Completely out of the shadow of WWII, all of the spending for frivolous projects with money for nothing, with nothing to complain about. As much as I thought my gereration got screwed, its frightening that now two more seem to be even worse off.

I can't fathom a world without pepperoni pizza.

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Originally Posted by A790

This was very true six months ago. The conversations I'm having now - I'm on a call right now with Juniper Networks organizing a webinar on contact tracing with Juniper hardware for early October - are all about how wifi access points can be leveraged for contact tracing. I'll post to FB by the way you're welcome to attend.

Every vendor I've talked to in the past quarter - Ruckus, Juniper, Cambium, SonicWall, and Cisco - are making contact/proximity tracing a major part of their marketing message.

PS - are you also in the channel?

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I'm not active on FB or IG anymore. And no, I'm not in the channel. I'm in marketing now, and tech shit still interests me. I try to learn and play when the opportunity presents itself. With that said...

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So did some reading into wtf Juniper is doing. So yea, they're relying on Bluetooth LE for location services, because Wifi won't work. Their AP's have some funky virtual BLE setup. I'll assume it works as marketed.

https://www.mist.com/asset-visibility/

They have a recorded webinar that talks about it, and brings up the exact same issues that I'm talking about. Randomization of MAC addresses. Even though you're connected to WiFi, devices will still randomize BT Macs. See here at the 8min mark:

https://youtu.be/xKCFrISB5RM?t=494

Their solution? Use a BLE badge and not use the phone. Opt in, and not magically phone based contact tracing. In one of their slides, they talk about using an app, so you'd have the same problem as the original AB Covid trace app. Only works on Apple devices if the app is running in foreground. AKA useless.

So I'm still right. :D

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Originally Posted by ZenOps

Without doubt Boomers had it the best. Completely out of the shadow of WWII, all of the spending for frivolous projects with money for nothing, with nothing to complain about. As much as I thought my gereration got screwed, its frightening that now two more seem to be even worse off.

I can't fathom a world without pepperoni pizza.

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Face it, there's a lot of things you can't fathom.

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Originally Posted by rage2

So I'm still right. :D

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Goddammit. :rofl:

EDIT: I just emailed my dude at Aruba to see if their solution is appreciably different. Now I'm curious cause I kinda want to be right on this one.

What happens if I wrap my phone in 7.2 layers of nickel foil? Asking for @SKR .

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Originally Posted by A790

Goddammit. :rofl:

EDIT: I just emailed my dude at Aruba to see if their solution is appreciably different. Now I'm curious cause I kinda want to be right on this one.

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Good luck. It'd be pretty big news if something that's technically impossible (accurate close contact tracing through wifi) is possible.

Really, I just like calling you out on your shit. Feels like I'm on a roll this month! :rofl:

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Originally Posted by rage2

I'll fact check you on this one.

The WAP location services that's being rolled out is just for office managers to identify busy areas and alert admins on hot spots to take further action.

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Wap location services. Nice.

Running a biz during covid is such a fkn drag lol beyond annoyed right now

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Originally Posted by max_boost

Wap location services. Nice.

Running a biz during covid is such a fkn drag lol beyond annoyed right now

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What’s your delivery radius?

Back on topic, the school positive cases are interesting in that COVID was brought in by the staff before schools even opened. With all the complaints about working in unsafe conditions you’d think they would be more careful to avoid unnecessary contact outside of work. Would be interesting to see if and when there’s an outbreak at a school if it’s introduced by staff or students.

I doubt you would get an answer to that now that school is back in due to privacy

How dare you insinuate that teachers could ever take imperfect actions. If anything this shows the need to pay teachers more for thier safety and as a measure of our gratitude for thier sacrifice.

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Originally Posted by rage2

Good luck. It'd be pretty big news if something that's technically impossible (accurate close contact tracing through wifi) is possible.

Really, I just like calling you out on your shit. Feels like I'm on a roll this month! :rofl:

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Is there another one that I'm not aware of?

I don't understand the whole closed borders, travel thing. So I see friends posting in the US, in Texas, Colorado, Montana. Driving around. People going to / from the US. Americans up here..... not just the 'border sneakers' going to Alaska.

So what is it? Is the land border closed but not the airport?

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Originally Posted by rage2

Back on topic, the school positive cases are interesting in that COVID was brought in by the staff before schools even opened. With all the complaints about working in unsafe conditions you’d think they would be more careful to avoid unnecessary contact outside of work. Would be interesting to see if and when there’s an outbreak at a school if it’s introduced by staff or students.

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ATA has strongly suggested that teachers all be tested to avoid this exact issue. My wife was tested on Monday.

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Originally Posted by The Cosworth

I don't understand the whole closed borders, travel thing. So I see friends posting in the US, in Texas, Colorado, Montana. Driving around. People going to / from the US. Americans up here..... not just the 'border sneakers' going to Alaska.

So what is it? Is the land border closed but not the airport?

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I think it's actually the other way around, the land border is "closed" but you can fly pretty much anywhere you want even though the government has advised against it. I haven't looked into it specifically but I suspect if you travel against a government advisory you may have problems with your health insurance should something happen.

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Originally Posted by The Cosworth

I don't understand the whole closed borders, travel thing. So I see friends posting in the US, in Texas, Colorado, Montana. Driving around. People going to / from the US. Americans up here..... not just the 'border sneakers' going to Alaska.

So what is it? Is the land border closed but not the airport?




ATA has strongly suggested that teachers all be tested to avoid this exact issue. My wife was tested on Monday.

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Anyone with dual citizenship or immediate family members in Canada can cross the border still. Anyone on a work visa can also. Canadians can also go down into the US because the US doesn't give a F and then obviously they can get home because they are Canadian.