Didn't Benny have a separated shoulder when that went down?Quote:
Originally Posted by vengie
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Didn't Benny have a separated shoulder when that went down?Quote:
Originally Posted by vengie
Yup. The Hamonic trade comes to mind. 1 first and 2 seconds. I would much rather have drafted Noah Dobson with that first than have Hamonic for a few seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by suntan
Yes, it was more tongue in cheek than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by schurchill39
I personally was a fan of Bennett, I don't think they gave him enough opportunity, meanwhile they bring in a bunch of losers year after year and give them ample opportunity.
the flames development destroyed Bennett.
with how the league has changed over the last 10 years there is not many good reasons to trade away picks. Especially so considering how many years a new pick is locked into a contract for
Well, I can do zero pull-ups, and I would not be an effective NHL player, so the correlation seems to be valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by vengie
He talks a good game. I can see how people can fall for his BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster
I don't know... Bennett had some good opportunities. Guy works hard but lets be honest he has hands of stone and no scoring touch. A 2nd in return for a bust draft isnt bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by vengie
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by riander5
Every time he made the SLIGHTEST mistake he was benched and relegated back to fourth line duties with a bunch of plugs.
This usually happened in less than a period.
Going from a bang and crash, to a skilled stick handler doesn't happen overnight.
Since March 27, when Sam was given a larger role from Sutter he has 6pts in 6 games.
Will he be a ppg player? No, but he has the tools to be a 0.6pt/gm player for sure.
I hope he flourishes and the Flames eat crow.
If you aren't a skilled stick handler and playmaker when you enter the NHL, you aren't going to become one.
He never scored many goals after his rookie year, took lots of stupid penalties, and was a liability defensively.
He was a hell of a playoff performer though, but whats the point when the rest of the flames are ghosts in the playoffs. He is the kind of guy that steps up big time but lets be honest Sam Bennett isnt going to win us playoff series. He would have been a good part of an overall better team.
Unless he's lined up with Barkov or Huberdeau he isn't gonna do shit. Except in the playoffs that is haha - So I think he is a good add for Florida
its a low secondQuote:
Originally Posted by riander5
Playing with guys like Jankowski, Brouwer etc etc.. will significantly reduce your scoring opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by riander5
Stupid penalties, sure, I don't disagree there.
we know who bennet is. Basically every scout prior to the draft had it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by vengie
I do 40 pull ups in my workout, and I don't think I'd be much of an NHL player. Or maybe I would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExtraSlow
No matter what your opinion is about the opportunities Benny has been given, lets all be honest it hasn't worked. If that's the organizations problem, fine, but there's not changing that now. He had to go, and we got something for him. That draft pick was already a loss for the organization.
https://lastwordonsports.com/2014/04...3-sam-bennett/
Oh man going through some of these scouting reports. I mean they had him obviously ranked right behind Leon.
In all honesty though that wasnt the best draft year looking at it. I mean the first round of course produced all NHL'ers. Year after was a way better draft class, year before was slightly stronger. Bennett just never lived up to expectations.
He is a decent skater, hard worker... but his shot sucks, he has no finish, and gets too hot headed in regular season. In the playoffs he is right on the edge that makes him super valuable though.
I declare him.. a bust! I will watch Florida in the playoffs though, will be curious to see how he performs.
you're generous with your time. I don't watch the Flames when they are bad nowadays. I'm certainly not watching another team.Quote:
Originally Posted by riander5
When I say watch, I mean it will be on in the background while I try to keep my kid happy and fed without letting her see the TV haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster
Toronto is starting Rittich tonight.
:drama:
I wish the Flames would trade Johnny and Mony already.
I didn't know Mormons were fight fans.
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Originally Posted by duaner
Crazy story with the Rittich trade. He gets traded, flies with the Flames to Toronto. Moves from the Flames bubble to the Leafs bubble upon arrival. Suits up against his old team. All in the span of 48 hours.
Also, yes, we need to get rid of Mony and Johnny. Come on Eichel, lets goooooo
Ditch chucky too. His antics are distracting, sell while value is high
I think we are 1-5-1 against Ottawa while everyone else has a winning record against them..... omfgwtfbbq
If you want to explain our season in a nutshell, us going 1-5-1 while Edmonton, who wasn't lining up to be that much better, is flawless.
Beating the bad teams is a prerequisite for being a good team.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExtraSlow
I can't stand the narrative that "Without Ottawa, Edmonton is a .500 team!"
Good teams feast on weak teams. The parity in the NHL is higher than it ever has been, any team can win on any given night.
Seize opportunity.
At this point I want the flames to call up some kids and let them play, see what we have coming and sell off/ re-tool in the summer.
Not true for a couple teams, Ottawa being one of them. The Flames being another off the top of my head lol...who else, Buffalo?Quote:
Originally Posted by vengie
Flames have a chance every night. The fact that they have won more against Toronto than Ottawa is proof of that, and shows what thier problem is. Good teams feast on weak teams, and we never have. This is not a defense of them, it's a condemnation. Fuck this current team.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExtraSlow
They're infuriating to watch. Win last night and they're right back in it.... nope, lets blow it... again.
So, win two in a row, but still 4 points back AND the team you are chasing has a game in hand. Nice, we can miss the playoffs by four points instead of eight.
Even if we win tonight, gross.
Will be fitting for the season if the Flames miss the playoffs by a couple points all while making their draft position worse.
I would hope at least that Brad Treliving would capitalize on the moderately increased trade values for all the big names. That's the only possible silver lining to winning these games.
Ditto. Hopefully Johnny, Mony etc play great down the stretch and increase their valueQuote:
Originally Posted by ExtraSlow
If a team was serious about a rebuild, they'd trade Markstrom, Guy is a good goalie at a good value with term. Would hurt to lose him though, and you'd be committing to a real rebuild if you did that, which doesn't seem to be what the owners will accept.
If it's a "re-tool and go" kind of mentality, then I'm getting it's a trade of one big piece and that's it. Which seems not drastic enough, but who knows?
Well Hanafin out for the year. Montreal beat us. Markie needs a rest. Before our next game Thursday I guess BT better figure out what he wants to do. Betcha we don't get to play all those last games against the Canucks. League will cancel those as soon as both teams as mathematically eliminated.
my prediction for 2021-2022 Flames MEGA thread....
summary: "I was expecting this team to do well, and they are shit".
No need for a thread now.
My prediction is "they didn't make enough changes in the off season, I'm mad they don't have enough elite skilled players and returned with mostly the same group of scrubs"
If you enjoy analytics and a copious amount of shitty attitude and pessimism follow In_the_dome on instagram. They had a good post today about Chucky being pretty much invisible since the Muzzin incident and the players only meeting after and I can't say as I disagree with him. It does seem like the team is at a bit of a leadership cross roads here and that needs to get ironed out before next season or we will have a whole year of this garbage.
If you are hoping to watch a winner in Calgary any time soon, you will be sorely disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by schurchill39
In a cap world, asset management is everything, and the Flames have been pure garbage at that for, oh...20 years.
Leadership crossroads is the wrong phrase. Leadership vacuum is more accurate. Chucky got his feelings hurt and stepped back, which is not what leaders do. Gio is ancient and (hopefully) getting taken by the Kraken.
Is it too much to ask for a top-5 centre who is also an elite leader?
You get free money from an insurance company and now you think anything is possible!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ExtraSlow
I've gone mad with power.
You need draft picks to do this and the Flames like to give theirs up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExtraSlow
Draft picks and a full true real rebuild. That's how you do it. Wonder if you could trade Markstrom for a 1st? Chucky for a 1st? Johnny for a 1st? Monny for a bag of pucks? do all four of those, don't protect Gio from the kraken. Play with league minimum goalies for the next couple years, always on 1 year contracts, and plan to get a free agent goalie in 3 years. Save cap space and picks like your life depends on it. Finally be good in second season in new building, win cup in third year in new building.
Sounds so simple.
I bet you dollars to donuts Tre will trade their 1st for a player.
Now that the season is pretty much over, it's time to start playing the kids in favor of UFAs that are likely not coming back. For the love of god, please play Kylington over Nesterov.
Also would be a good idea to sit some core players who are "playing injured" or "DGAF" so we get to see what these kids have and allowing them to make mistakes so the losses can pile up.
I am. Terrified that you are rightQuote:
Originally Posted by suntan
Chucky is not a leader and should never wear the C. You guys are crazy to think he was meant for that role.
Big question now is who we choose to protect.
The more players you trade away before the draft, getting picks back, the less you have to protect.
We tried to do that with Ryan O'Reilly's offer sheet hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by ExtraSlow
mangiapane (sp?) has really impressed me over the last 2 seasons. some potential there I think.
I don't know how much more proof/time needs to be thrown in upper managements face that this group is never going to go all the way.
Season was a write off with deciding to go with Ward from the get go and the team playing like shit for a good chunk of it, if anything playing somewhat decent towards the end of the season might bring some trade value up on some players for the off season.
I just don't see there being any switch that's flipped and we're cup contenders with this group. Monahan has been probably my favorite flames player for years but I'm ready for him, Johnny, and pretty much anyone else to be shipped off.
There had better be a ton of deals in the off season this year. Otherwise I'm not sure I can watch anymore of this pain.
The funny thing is that this isn't even the first time we've seen it with this team before. This team is definitely cursed.
Anyone remember the years following the 2004 non-Cup...every year it was a couple new promising signings, remember Oli Jokinen LOL, Boumeester, guys like that..man, it was just like this era where we consistently were rated as contenders but the team just somehow played still like shit.
I mean this era is slightly different in that the team is mostly drafted and grown within the organization....but that obviously still isn't working, remember when everyone thought we would be the next Detroit Red Wings ROFL we are CURSED!!!!!
I'm going to respectfully disagree. With the exception of what ever is going on right now I think Chucky has absolutely shown incredible leadership and should be the next C. This little... what ever it is... just highlights that he's not quite ready for it just yet and has a bit more maturing to do. But if (and that's a big IF) Gio is exposed and gets taken by the Kraken you can bet your ass Chucky will step up. Backlund is really the only other guy I think of as a leader but he definitely doesn't have the grit we've come to expect from a Flames captain like Nieuwendyk, Fleury, Iggy, or Gio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ca_Silvia13
Nesterov is horrible. I'm not a Leivo fan either but Nesterov really gets under my skin. Why Kylington is on the taxi squad over that plug is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quizzes
At least can all agree Mangiapani has been playing phenomenal these last two years and I'm happy to see him really make his presence known.
I noticed Backlund didn't have the A on his jersey a few nights ago against the habs
Him and Tkachuk alternate Home/Away I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtsniffer
He has been invisible for the majority of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by dirtsniffer
So can we please play the kids now and give markstrom some rest? If we injure that guy in these meaningless games it's a horrendous misuse of an asset.
Great season boys.
:barf:
Would love to see some kids play, and see couple other goalies in net.
We have a lot of kids that could be important next year. Be nice to see them in NHL games this year to begin the evaluation process, and assist their growth.
Shut down every veteran who needs surgery or rehabilitation from injury, which is probably a few. Shut down Markstrom, because he'll play his way into injury as he's proven.
Its not even about tanking anymore, it's about managing valuable assets, and evaluating potential assets with no risk.
At this point I think the flames should do a full strip down.
Trade everyone for picks/ prospects.
Let the kids play and develop.
The next two drafts have some incredible talent up top - Connor Mcdavid/ Crosby/ Ovechkin level talent.
2022- Shane Wright
2023- Connor Bedard/ Matvei Michkov
well, it's hard to "aim" for a #1 pick. But what they can do is bank cap space, avoid long contracts, hoard picks, trade for more picks etc. These days cap space is almost more valuable than anything.
People say Daryl isn't here for a rebuild, but fuck him, he'll coach who he's given, and he aint the GM anymore. Not sure Treliving has the balls to trade any of our bigger names, but we should.
I’d be curious if they even bother to play the Canucks in their final 4 games.
Bettman said the plan is for the Canucks to play their full 56 games.
The league wants the games played for sure. Not likely to cancel, even if they are meaningless.
Looking forward to it. Haven't seen an AHL game in a long time.
They haven't fired Tre yet?
Buffalo will be hard to beat for worst team for a while I figure, Eichel wants out bad.
Team needs a good shake up but not full blown tank mode, move on from Monahan and Johnny, sort out a solution for dependable depth. Too many guys flat out disappear for stretches.
We've had some soft teams/core in the past...but this core has got to be #1 for softness, ridiculous. There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm just too sad right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Legit2Quit
Eh they've had worse. But yeah this group isn't even trying.
The big thing for the Flames is to draft and develop. Almost every team that has won a cup of the last 10-20 had sucked for a while, drafted high, and turned into a great team. The big problem with being a middling team is you never draft high. You are never great and you are never bad, so you get mid first rounders at best.
Look at the last few cup winners and their drafting.
Tampa took Stamkos 1st overall and also drafted a lot of other top tier players on the team, Kucherov, Hedman, Vasilevsky etc.
St Louis drafter Pietrangelo, Tarasenko, etc
Caps obviously had Ovechkin 1st overall, along with Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov etc.
Penguins had Crosby, Malkin, Talbot, Flower etc
Blackhawks had Towes/Kane along with seabrook, Keith and many others.
The closest thing to that now who have yet to win are Edmonton/Toronto with Mcjesus, Matthews, Draisitl, Marner etc.
I would much rather the Flames absolutely suck for a year or so, trade any decent player for picks, take some really high draft picks a few years in a row and build a powerhouse team that can compete for 10 years. If they keep doing the same formula it will be the same result, either barely making or missing the playoffs and middle of the first round draft pics at best.
/end rant
Toronto has been out of the first round 1 time since 2004 or they’ve won 1 round in the last 16 years. And they’ve only made the playoffs 4 times in those 16 years.
Edmonton has made the playoffs 1 time in the last 14 years and also only won 1 round in that time frame.
So let’s hope the Flames can turn it around better then those 2 joke franchises.
Flames: Hold my beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 88CRX
The Flames are a dumpster fire… no doubt about that.
But lets not kid ourselves, the Oilers have not done anything remotely close to ‘building’ a successful organization. They sucked more then anyone has ever sucked before (on purpose no less) and then lucked out on a lottery ball and drafted Connor McDavid.
The Leafs appear to have built a great team and they’ve had lots of regular season success but who cares... playoffs (and the cup) are the only thing that counts. And their salary structure is fucked and this is probably their last shot with their current team makeup.
So you can either A) pull an Oiler (never recommended) and suck on purpose for over a decade to hopefully win a lottery on a year that a generational players is in the draft and hope you don’t end up like the Sabres, or B) build a solid organization of players you draft and develop, throw in a couple stellar trades and then top off with some depth UFA signing (like the Blues).
I know which one I’d prefer.
I really don't give two fucks what the Oilers do and don't do. Same with the Leafs.
I see what good teams do and I see the Flames not doing those things.
If the Flames can, they should follow the Islanders model. Not having one or two expensive superstar and just spreading the cap hit and offense throughout the lineup. Play a more structured and tight checking game. Like Tortz, Sutter employs a similar hard-working style and not really relying on one or two good lines. Of course, it's up to the GM (whoever that may be) to find the right type of players who will fit into this model without having to bank on winning the lottery.
Having said that, I would love nothing more than to draft Connor Bedard, so I'm good with the tank and hope to win the lottery. (feeling so Oiler right now)
#1 thing is to get some cap flexibility and some prospects. Trade the old or expensive players.
Hey Tre. Do something. Same fucking core as last year (minus Gio, who I'm not upset about)