Who is getting the COVID-19 Vaccine?

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08-25-2021, 08:14 PM
ExtraSlow

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CNRL to require proof of vax or rapid test for all workers at certain oilsands sites.
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08-25-2021, 08:17 PM
rage2

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Originally Posted by Misterman

And this right here demonstrates why this has SFA to do with whether you're pro or anti vax. And why so many fully vaccinated people are against this shit. This is an argument about your future (and current apparently) freedom of personal autonomy. If you're(Not you Xtrema, the proverbial you's in society) going to normalize, applaud, and set legal precedence that ties people's right to make a living to what the government is allowed to force in your body. You can rest assured this will end very badly, as there is officially no end to what they can legally mandate any of us to do. One thing about voluntarily getting on a slippery slope, is you virtually always end up slipping a lot farther down that slope than you wanted to.

Business interruption because of covid costs a fuck ton of money. It’s got nothing to do with the government, and more to do with protecting the business.
08-25-2021, 08:35 PM
JRSC00LUDE

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Originally Posted by rage2

Business interruption because of covid costs a fuck ton of money. It’s got nothing to do with the government, and more to do with protecting the business.

No business at all would get interrupted if the Government would fuck off with restrictions now.
08-25-2021, 08:47 PM
colsankey

Isn't that what Florida said 3 months ago?
08-25-2021, 09:14 PM
redline

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Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE

No business at all would get interrupted if the Government would fuck off with restrictions now.

Tell that to the 10 restaurants in Banff that had to close because all the staff where sick with covid … that was real nice for the owners
08-25-2021, 09:15 PM
ExtraSlow

Restaurants don't count, I've heard.
08-25-2021, 09:30 PM
JRSC00LUDE

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Originally Posted by redline

Tell that to the 10 restaurants in Banff that had to close because all the staff where sick with covid … that was real nice for the owners

Assuming that's been since everyone could get vaccinated? Even so how many had to close for the lockdown? Was that nicer for the owners? Shorter? Less damaging?

At this point forward lockdowns or shutdowns imposed by Government shouldn't be a worry is the point. I suppose enough people can still get sick to shut a business down but I would imagine the odds of that are dropping and dropping every week. And I'm not sorry, I'm fully vaccinated but I'll never support mandatory vaccination requirements by employers or by the Government. We lost an entire crew to covid, it wasn't ideal but they all came back to work. We survived. Whatever money we lost there is a fraction of the revenue we lost for the months everything was shut down. We survived that too but the losses were into multiple 7 figures. I'll take sick staff for a short period of time over that every time going forward.

We've paid all our staff to go get their shots on company time but I'm not going to make anyone do it to keep their job, I think it's immoral. Everyone who wants one now has had one and it is most of them. They're fine. We're fine. Life goes on.
08-26-2021, 03:13 AM
Misterman

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Originally Posted by rage2

Business interruption because of covid costs a fuck ton of money. It’s got nothing to do with the government, and more to do with protecting the business.

It has everything to do with government, because the government legal system is what determines whether this illegal infringement of rights is allowed or not. You can use whatever excuse you want to justify this nonsense, the result in the end is the same regardless.
08-26-2021, 05:51 AM
redline

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Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE

Assuming that's been since everyone could get vaccinated? Even so how many had to close for the lockdown? Was that nicer for the owners? Shorter? Less damaging?

At this point forward lockdowns or shutdowns imposed by Government shouldn't be a worry is the point. I suppose enough people can still get sick to shut a business down but I would imagine the odds of that are dropping and dropping every week. And I'm not sorry, I'm fully vaccinated but I'll never support mandatory vaccination requirements by employers or by the Government. We lost an entire crew to covid, it wasn't ideal but they all came back to work. We survived. Whatever money we lost there is a fraction of the revenue we lost for the months everything was shut down. We survived that too but the losses were into multiple 7 figures. I'll take sick staff for a short period of time over that every time going forward.

We've paid all our staff to go get their shots on company time but I'm not going to make anyone do it to keep their job, I think it's immoral. Everyone who wants one now has had one and it is most of them. They're fine. We're fine. Life goes on.

If that was true cases would be going down but they are not, they are sky rocketing and so is hospitalization. Other health care services are being affected.

Not enough people are being vaxxed to stop this wave.
08-26-2021, 07:36 AM
Darell_n

My sister’s family up in Edmonton are all double vaccinated and the delta variant is running through the household right now. Nothing serious yet but I’m thinking this will be a fact of life for everybody this winter.
08-26-2021, 08:32 AM
LilDrunkenSmurf

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Originally Posted by Misterman

It has everything to do with government, because the government legal system is what determines whether this illegal infringement of rights is allowed or not. You can use whatever excuse you want to justify this nonsense, the result in the end is the same regardless.

So do you want government intervention or not? "Government can't shut down businesses! They need to stay out of private business!" "Government needs to stop businesses from requiring people to get vaxxed!"
08-26-2021, 08:46 AM
Buster

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Originally Posted by Darell_n

My sister’s family up in Edmonton are all double vaccinated and the delta variant is running through the household right now. Nothing serious yet but I’m thinking this will be a fact of life for everybody this winter.

The vaccine is to keep them out of the hospital.
08-26-2021, 08:50 AM
Brent.ff

I missed the part that the unvaccinated were forced to work for Air Canada.
08-26-2021, 08:53 AM
killramos

Vaccine mandates are stupid, the benefit of vaccines should be incentive enough for people to get them.
08-26-2021, 08:54 AM
ExtraSlow

Stupid rules are often used to influence stupid people.
08-26-2021, 09:01 AM
Tik-Tok

Stupid rules are often caused by stupid people.
08-26-2021, 09:13 AM
rage2

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Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE

No business at all would get interrupted if the Government would fuck off with restrictions now.

I’m talking about business interruption due to sick leave. When delta hit India, we had to reprioritize projects to maintain operations to not impact our customers.

Retail and hospitality are a different story. That said, they want to enforce mandatory vaccines and passports in hopes of restrictions stability.
08-26-2021, 10:21 AM
zechs

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Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE

No business at all would get interrupted if the Government would fuck off with restrictions now.

Yep, businesses are free to mandate whatever rules they want subject to not violating its employees rights. Government can get the fuck out of determining business needs and let business figure it out.
08-26-2021, 10:24 AM
zechs

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Originally Posted by LilDrunkenSmurf

So do you want government intervention or not? "Government can't shut down businesses! They need to stay out of private business!" "Government needs to stop businesses from requiring people to get vaxxed!"

The government's purpose is to enforce our rights. Your statements are not equivalent in any way.

If there is one area I do support government oversight, it is in enforcing our basic human rights. Thats about the only area it is needed in our lives, and even then, at the barest of minimums.
08-26-2021, 10:40 AM
born2workoncars

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See Table 5 of this UK technical briefing document (p18-19)

Raw data (uncorrected for confounding issues, see p19) demonstrate that 402/742 ER cases of delta were fully vaxxed (54%), 253/742 ER cases were unvaxxed (34%). So much for this being only 1% vax

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

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