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That's probably a grey area that needs to be patched up. It could realistically be anywhere between the end of the braking point to the apex.
Regardless, if we count this screenshot as the position to determine who's ahead, Lewis still has a right to the line, and the attacker must leave room, which he didn't. Basically a scenario 3 from my list.
^All those are jokes of course (referring to the Schumacher scheme rumours). Ultimately, it just wasn't meant to be for Lewis this time even though he did not deserve to lose the last race. Say what you want, luck and arbitrary decision making of the officials is a big part of this sport and sometimes it helps your drivers and sometimes it doesn't. This time unfortunately it wasn't in Lewis' favour. I just have a massive dislike for Max/RBR/Horner and their entire team culture and if anyone else had won, I wouldn't have been as disappointed. Anyway, what's done is done I guess, time to move on.
The problem is that Lewis seems to think he never has to actually defend anything. (I mean this in general, but in particular here). This is open wheel motor racing, not free lapping on the perfect racing line like a bunch of gentlemen. If someone goes down your inside because you didn't defend, and they stay on the track, then you tip your cap, tuck in behind, and live to fight another day.
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If you want that apex though, you gotta go HAM
You think Max had to leave Lewis room on the outside?
I always like referring to this post when it comes to "the rules of racing" and my interpretation is that Lewis should have yielded to make the corner. https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014...les-of-racing/
My view is that given Max's position Lewis should have yielded. The fact Max made the corner indicates to me he didn't carry too much speed in but I guess that's always going to be debatable.Quote:
Consider the textbook method for overtaking in a corner: the attacker takes an inside line, gets alongside the defender in the braking zone, and beats the defender to the apex. If the attacker is ahead at the apex, there is no dispute over ownership of the racing line. The defender must yield. But what if the attacker is only partially alongside? Who owns the apex then?Different racing series have their own criteria for how far alongside an attacker must be to have a claim to the apex. In Formula 1, the norms have been explored and refined over the years as a result of drivers like Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher pushing the boundaries and exploiting any gray areas. Today, it is generally accepted that the attacker must be at least halfway alongside the defender when they reach the apex to have a reasonable claim to this piece of track. Moreover, the attacker should not have achieved this position by carrying too much speed to make the corner — this method is called dive-bombing.
Let’s consider three illustrative examples.
A. Attacker more than half-way alongside
https://f1metrics.files.wordpress.co...ng?w=640&h=480
In this case, the attacker is definitely more than halfway past the defender at the apex. The attacker has the right to the racing line. A collision at the apex is entirely the fault of the defender.
I think one solution would be to establish the corner entry threshold through an imaginary plane between two markers to establish who has position, though it still wouldn't resolve if an attacker carried too much speed into the corner.
For example (I'm not saying this is the corner entry threshold but saying it could be an example of how the threshold could be conclusively established for the stewards):
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They need to bring back gravel on the outside of corners. You dive bomb and overshoot, you're off the track. You refuse to defend the inside line you can't Alonso the outside.
Or figure out a way to simulate the effect of gravel.
We need to make Wacky Races a reality
The reason why Lewis was on the outside was the expectation that he didn’t get run off the track, and be a position in the more favorable inside line for the next corner. You don’t defend the inside on that corner or you’re compromised for the next one.
And yes, Lewis was definitely allowed room here. This wasn’t a fight at the apex.
Mercedes got Constructors Championship this year so hats off to them
I will say Lewis should know better to watch for his inside corners as Max repeatedly goes for that move. Even in the last lap, I wish he had covered off the inside a little bit but truth be told, 40+ laps old hards weren't gonna stand a chance against the brand new softs regardless of which side Lewis covered. Max should be sending Masi a massive gift for essentially making him the Champion on the day he didn't deserve to be. Haha.
What would be interesting to see is a Max vs Leclerc title battle. Both of these guys have move or crash mentality. We just didn’t see too much of it with Leclerc because Ferrari ain’t up there.
Inside or outside, I don't think Max cares (and I mean this in a good way). As I've said previously, he'll make the move (sometimes regardless of how unreasonable it is). If he gets the position, he and Horner will say it's hard racing. If he doesn't get it, they'll say they didn't give him room.