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    What y’all proposing then? Bring some freedom to SA? What about China? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    Canadians buy about 3 billion dollars a year in oil from Saudi, I'd much rather see that money go into our own economy towards ethical oil.
    'Maybe Canada should get it's backyard in order before you go calling another country's oil unethical, you little bitch.'


    Just a summary of what I've learned should be the position people take on the matter.

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    At the risk of sounding like Trump. Its about time we supported our own industries here. We spend so much money overseas putting our own jobs/future at risk. Im not a trade advisor so i know some stuff works better outsourcing but oil/lumber etc should stay within Canada. Maybe just mayyyybee we will get some refineries and really start making some profits.
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    listening to singh talk about how we shouldn't buy their own and buy it elsewhere... No fucking mention of Canadian oil. seriously what the fuck is wrong with the NDP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civic_stylez View Post
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    At the risk of sounding like Trump. Its about time we supported our own industries here. We spend so much money overseas putting our own jobs/future at risk. Im not a trade advisor so i know some stuff works better outsourcing but oil/lumber etc should stay within Canada. Maybe just mayyyybee we will get some refineries and really start making some profits.
    I'd say it's less of an example of how we need refineries and more of an example about how great it would be if there was some sort of method that could be used to get Canadian oil to the East instead of having tankers being in Saudi oil.

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    Theres leadership for you. Happy to sell us their shit but boycott ours while junior continues twitter diplomacy.

    Pathetic leadership we have, we should have sanctioned those assholes years ago instead of selling them military shit and the wheet board.

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    listening to singh talk about how we shouldn't buy their own and buy it elsewhere... No fucking mention of Canadian oil. seriously what the fuck is wrong with the NDP.
    Its called free markets and trade. You cant be an island on the world stage

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    listening to singh talk about how we shouldn't buy their own and buy it elsewhere... No fucking mention of Canadian oil. seriously what the fuck is wrong with the NDP.
    Shows what kind of a position the party nation wide is in.

    The party base as a whole is against the increased production of oil and for an overall reduciton in the dependence on fossil fuels. So he can't really support something that makes it sound like he's championing an increase in production.

    He can't just say this is a reason to get off fossil fuels so we don't have to buy it from Saudi Arabia (or anywhere else) because that wouldn't be good for a provincial NDP government

    He can't say it would be great if the oil was Canadian because that would require a pipeline, which is what another provincial party is fighting against.


    Really the stance would be pretty easy if Alberta didn't have an NDP majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    'Maybe Canada should get it's backyard in order before you go calling another country's oil unethical, you little bitch.'


    Just a summary of what I've learned should be the position people take on the matter.
    This position the Trudeau government currently is taking, much better:

    Hans Blix: I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me see your whole palace, or else...
    Kim Jong-il: (in English) Or else what?
    Hans Blix: Or else we will be very, very angry with you. And we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

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    It is definitely an over-reaction from the Saudis. Canada say shit to China all the time about their human rights record and China does not over-react to the extent that the Saudis are reacting and China has much greater influence than the Saudis. The crown prince's foreign policy is reckless and only reflects poorly on the himself and no one else. It's like dealing with someone with rage issues. We say something about them and they take it so personally that they want to kill our whole fucking family. A smart move would have been to say something really clever back that makes us look bad. They only reacting the way they did because they know it is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiTempguy1 View Post
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    This position the Trudeau government currently is taking, much better:
    Actually that is the position the UK has told us we should have taken, instead of publicly announcing how disappointed we are. Because they can't afford to publicly display their disappointment with all the Saudi money spent in the UK, they can only write letters.

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    In business, sometimes you just gotta stfu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
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    In business, sometimes you just gotta stfu.
    That's the difference right there between Harper and Trudeau. Harper treated the government like a business, Trudeau like a charity. It should be neither.

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    what do you do when business and right and wrong conflict? whore out your morals and beleifs?

    thats the problem with society. money wins over doing the right thing?

    We need trump here. he'd put those shit stains in check if they insutled and sanctioned his country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    I do think this highlights the need to ban our government officials from twitter, I am getting pretty fucking tired of these bull shit fights that people who are supposed to be representing Canadians are picking with a flakey social media platform. Get the fuck off of twitter you stupid mother fucking idiots... you want to release something to the public, hold a fucking press conference and have somebody review what the fuck you are going to say first. If they want to appeal to another country for human rights, fucking do it in person instead of trying to be a SJW to the entire world.

    In terms of this specific incident:

    Everybody plays the game of not saying anything critical about them so they can get a chunk of their lucrative business. However Saudi deserves to be called out, and I don't mind that it was Canada that did it despite the repercussions

    They are recalling their students from Canada too... I say good riddance. I've heard from people that host students that they are typically arrogant disrespectful brats. It isn't like Canada can't immediately fill those exchange spots with students from the Asia's or Europe.



    I'd be on board with this 100%

    Canadians buy about 3 billion dollars a year in oil from Saudi, I'd much rather see that money go into our own economy towards ethical oil.
    Yea, the 'feels' again. Who is going to pay for that? So much cheaper to buy Saudi oil off a VLCC than to (maybe) repurpose a pipeline, build pump stations, power plants, etc in a high cost low certainty jurisdiction.

    Yea the concept is positive but it just won't happen, why would it? TMX will move volumes to West coast US refineries, not Asia...

    Edit: you know why we don't build refineries? They won't make money and if we can't even ship one product out of the country how on earth are we going to ship many different products? Is you could make money building refineries you can bet your ass we would have refineries. How is this so hard for people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    I do think this highlights the need to ban our government officials from twitter, I am getting pretty fucking tired of these bull shit fights that people who are supposed to be representing Canadians are picking with a flakey social media platform. Get the fuck off of twitter you stupid mother fucking idiots... you want to release something to the public, hold a fucking press conference and have somebody review what the fuck you are going to say first. If they want to appeal to another country for human rights, fucking do it in person instead of trying to be a SJW to the entire world.


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    It is definitely an over-reaction from the Saudis. Canada say shit to China all the time about their human rights record and China does not over-react to the extent that the Saudis are reacting and China has much greater influence than the Saudis. The crown prince's foreign policy is reckless and only reflects poorly on the himself and no one else. It's like dealing with someone with rage issues. We say something about them and they take it so personally that they want to kill our whole fucking family. A smart move would have been to say something really clever back that makes us look bad. They only reacting the way they did because they know it is true.
    That's totally how I see it too! Complete over-reaction!

    Funny how they still want us to keep buying their oil after they banned our exports of wheat and barley: Row over jailed activists won't affect oil shipments to Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
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    what do you do when business and right and wrong conflict? whore out your morals and beleifs?

    thats the problem with society. money wins over doing the right thing?

    We need trump here. he'd put those shit stains in check if they insutled and sanctioned his country.
    Because Donald has been so good at putting anyone in check, hey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    Fuck me, Saudi is like Gestalt

    With such claims as;

    -Canada is one of the world’s worst oppressors of women

    -The streets are strewn with homeless
    well... yeah, but we feed em' instead of shoot em'
    -75% of Canadian detainees in die before standing trial


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...against-canada


    Strange times, what a fucked up country
    The Saudi's are so far disconnected from the rest of world (except financially, obviously), it's not surprising. It's not like they have to pay attention to the going on of others to gauge markets etc. Oil sells no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarphreak View Post
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    They are kind of like North Korea almost
    That’s like comparing Gestalt to Elon Musk.
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